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dimbismp
08-22-2014, 03:14 PM
Ac 1 was the only main game i haven't played so far.The thing is that i got the game with a special edition of ACR years ago,so i decided to give it a try.First of all,everyone might agree that it's not fair to compare it with Black Flag for example in terms of side missions,open world and of course graphics.So:
The good:
-Altair was a better character than i thought him to be.The way he changed throughout the game awas nice and realistic.
-Moral greyness.Almost all the templars thought that were helping the people and aimed for peace.Ac 1 was the best in that aspect imo.
-Meaningful dialogue between the characters and especially between Altair and Al Mualim.These conversations revealed many things about the core of Assassins' and Templars' philosophy.
-Hardest combat in the series so far
-The 3 cities were not only bigger but also denser than i thought.
-The way that Altair got to know his targets,their crimes etc.I am happy that Amancio said that this feature is coming back.
-The apple symbolised temptation,so in my eyes it was potrayed like the ring in Lotr.A better way to use poes thatn the way the apple was used in acb for example.
-It was quite difficult to escape the guards during a chase

The bad:
-Absolutely no side activities,except for collecting flags and saving citizens.
-Everyone said that Ac1 had the best stealth afterAciv.I disagree.Most of the targets were in place surrounded by guards,so you couldn't stealthily kill them.Also,there were limited paths each time.
-This is known,but the game is really repetitive.I wasn't actually bored,but they could havehad other missions other than the assassinations.
-The story was good,but there were some points that i didn't like.The most important one is definetely the battle of Arsuf.First of all,did the devs seriously decide to send wave after wave of warriors in a stealth game?And i thought that this game was the most "original"one!After that,Richard sees an assassin approach the camp in the middle of the battle that wil decide the future of the Holy Land.He knows that he has killed his men,but STOPS IN THE MIDST OF THE BATTLE TO HEAR HIM INSTEAD OF KILLING HIM AT ONCE.Then he decides tosend his best men to kill Altair,who were actually part of his war council!(Altair killing a dozen higly trained and armoured knights is hideous).Finally Richard is happy that Altair killed his men and starts speaking with him,while Saladin is slaughtering his troops.And afer all this nonsense,the crusaders actually win the battle in real life.
Overral,the game was better than i thought.It would be really nice if a remake was made though.

Fatal-Feit
08-22-2014, 03:41 PM
A remake would be great, especially with Unity's engine.

Sushiglutton
08-22-2014, 03:53 PM
I agree with a lot of your criticism, AC1 is a very flawed game. But one thing they nailked for the most part was the tone. It was a non-bombastic, more philosophical game with a sense of mystery, but still grounded in real history. Not many games do that. I still think the way Altair moves is spectacular!

SixKeys
08-22-2014, 03:59 PM
-Everyone said that Ac1 had the best stealth afterAciv.I disagree.Most of the targets were in place surrounded by guards,so you couldn't stealthily kill them.Also,there were limited paths each time.


Every assassination in AC1 allows for a stealth approach except for Robert de Sable (the real one) and Al Mualim. Being surrounded by guards just makes it more challenging. Once the deed is done, everyone knows you did it which always results in a chase. This is because in Alta´r's time, killing in broad daylight was about making a statement. They wanted to be seen.

The mission structure may be repetitive, but I'm glad every side mission actually ties into the theme of assassination and/or removing corruption. No pointless fluff like beating up cheating husbands or buying paintings. Alta´r is a professional whose only focus is on his mission.

m4r-k7
08-22-2014, 04:00 PM
You have to take into consideration that at the time the game released, side activities weren't really a definitive aspect of the series. I believe AC 1 did so much right and in some ways was my favourite game in the series - the setting, the combat, the stealth, the emphasis on assassin's. I can see why people may not like it if they go from a later game to ac 1 but if you started the series with ac 1,there was so much that was special about it.

dimbismp
08-22-2014, 04:11 PM
@SixKeys
Yes, i meant that you couldn't kill a target and disappear without anyone detecting you.
As for the second part of your post, i believe that they could have had other missions except from he interrogation etc.I mean,there could have been missions that had to do with the target,but they were actual missions,like "inflitrate that area so that you can steal that letter"

Ureh
08-22-2014, 04:14 PM
Every assassination in AC1 allows for a stealth approach except for Robert de Sable (the real one) and Al Mualim. Being surrounded by guards just makes it more challenging. Once the deed is done, everyone knows you did it which always results in a chase. This is because in Alta´r's time, killing in broad daylight was about making a statement. They wanted to be seen.

The mission structure may be repetitive, but I'm glad every side mission actually ties into the theme of assassination and/or removing corruption. No pointless fluff like beating up cheating husbands or buying paintings. Alta´r is a professional whose only focus is on his mission.

And Talal too right? You can sneak into his compound unnoticed but everything after that is a chase I think.

SixKeys
08-22-2014, 05:14 PM
Oh yeah, forgot about Talal.


@SixKeys
Yes, i meant that you couldn't kill a target and disappear without anyone detecting you.
As for the second part of your post, i believe that they could have had other missions except from he interrogation etc.I mean,there could have been missions that had to do with the target,but they were actual missions,like "inflitrate that area so that you can steal that letter"

The PC version had a few extra missions like merchant stand destruction (destroying the livelihood of corrupt Templar lackeys), archer assassination challenge, informant escort missions and rooftop races (similar to the Ezio races, except as a reward you get a piece of information). I only ever played the PC version with all these extras, so the game never felt repetitive to me.

EmbodyingSeven5
08-22-2014, 06:07 PM
A remake would be great, especially with Unity's engine.

forget a remake. do a proper sequel!

ze_topazio
08-22-2014, 06:19 PM
forget a remake. do a proper sequel!

They already did.

http://media.ign.com/games/image/object/143/14324830/Assassins-Creed-Bloodlines_PSP_BXSHT_ESRB.jpg

moneyspills1
08-22-2014, 07:08 PM
You have to take into consideration that at the time the game released, side activities weren't really a definitive aspect of the series. I believe AC 1 did so much right and in some ways was my favourite game in the series - the setting, the combat, the stealth, the emphasis on assassin's. I can see why people may not like it if they go from a later game to ac 1 but if you started the series with ac 1,there was so much that was special about it. I came across this youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVcV__5y1ko

Kakuzu745
08-22-2014, 08:54 PM
The game does not need a remake...as someone once said it is perfect in its own imperfection. If you compare it to newer games you will notice how the game has evolved but for me AC1 is still the game that I have enjoyed the most. In my opinion there is a lot you will find wrong with the game if you play it after playing the others so you have to enjoy it by its own instead of comparing vs. other games in the series :)

And YES, please give me an Altair sequel.

GunnerGalactico
08-22-2014, 09:08 PM
Regardless of it's repetitiveness, I feel that AC1 is still a good game. Compared to AC2 onwards, AC1 was the only game that implemented social stealth the best. It had the feel of a next gen game. Compared to most titles that were released in 2007/8, the graphics, textures and attention to detail in AC1 was simply stunning!

Hans684
08-22-2014, 09:26 PM
Loved the story and lore, other than that it performed bad as Assassin Simulator. Sure it's an open world but the assassinations themselves wasn't as free as Hitman. Hitman beat it before it released.

Sesheenku
08-23-2014, 09:42 AM
Ac 1 was the only main game i haven't played so far.The thing is that i got the game with a special edition of ACR years ago,so i decided to give it a try.First of all,everyone might agree that it's not fair to compare it with Black Flag for example in terms of side missions,open world and of course graphics.So:
The good:
-Altair was a better character than i thought him to be.The way he changed throughout the game awas nice and realistic.
-Moral greyness.Almost all the templars thought that were helping the people and aimed for peace.Ac 1 was the best in that aspect imo.
-Meaningful dialogue between the characters and especially between Altair and Al Mualim.These conversations revealed many things about the core of Assassins' and Templars' philosophy.
-Hardest combat in the series so far
-The 3 cities were not only bigger but also denser than i thought.
-The way that Altair got to know his targets,their crimes etc.I am happy that Amancio said that this feature is coming back.
-The apple symbolised temptation,so in my eyes it was potrayed like the ring in Lotr.A better way to use poes thatn the way the apple was used in acb for example.
-It was quite difficult to escape the guards during a chase

The bad:
-Absolutely no side activities,except for collecting flags and saving citizens.
-Everyone said that Ac1 had the best stealth afterAciv.I disagree.Most of the targets were in place surrounded by guards,so you couldn't stealthily kill them.Also,there were limited paths each time.
-This is known,but the game is really repetitive.I wasn't actually bored,but they could havehad other missions other than the assassinations.
-The story was good,but there were some points that i didn't like.The most important one is definetely the battle of Arsuf.First of all,did the devs seriously decide to send wave after wave of warriors in a stealth game?And i thought that this game was the most "original"one!After that,Richard sees an assassin approach the camp in the middle of the battle that wil decide the future of the Holy Land.He knows that he has killed his men,but STOPS IN THE MIDST OF THE BATTLE TO HEAR HIM INSTEAD OF KILLING HIM AT ONCE.Then he decides tosend his best men to kill Altair,who were actually part of his war council!(Altair killing a dozen higly trained and armoured knights is hideous).Finally Richard is happy that Altair killed his men and starts speaking with him,while Saladin is slaughtering his troops.And afer all this nonsense,the crusaders actually win the battle in real life.
Overral,the game was better than i thought.It would be really nice if a remake was made though.

Just gonna hit this point.

This is the first game that defines what an Assassins Creed assassin is. Assassins are much more highly trained then knights in AC1, assassins are raised in combat from birth and not just basic swordsmanship but a combat style that is based upon using the eras common combat styles against the opponent.

So no it's not really hideous, from the very beginning we're shown that Altair is skilled enough to lay waste to anyone who crosses his path, guards are and always have been far below the skill level of assassins and it makes sense.

You're not going to beat someone who was raised into combat from birth, before you ever even picked up a sword they were defeating people in combat.

The only who people who can logically stand up to assassins are the Templars who have also been trained from birth and even then we know clearly who's combat style is superior, the Templar order didn't really start doing well till highly skilled assassins defected to the Templars, that in turn allowed them to wipe out assassins and keep the potential threat neutralized.

It's only lately that the fan base has taken issue with it being too easy or unrealistic. It was always unrealistic but the games were never 100% realism anyways they were just based on it.

dimbismp
08-23-2014, 10:57 AM
Just gonna hit this point.

This is the first game that defines what an Assassins Creed assassin is. Assassins are much more highly trained then knights in AC1, assassins are raised in combat from birth and not just basic swordsmanship but a combat style that is based upon using the eras common combat styles against the opponent.

So no it's not really hideous, from the very beginning we're shown that Altair is skilled enough to lay waste to anyone who crosses his path, guards are and always have been far below the skill level of assassins and it makes sense.

You're not going to beat someone who was raised into combat from birth, before you ever even picked up a sword they were defeating people in combat.

The only who people who can logically stand up to assassins are the Templars who have also been trained from birth and even then we know clearly who's combat style is superior, the Templar order didn't really start doing well till highly skilled assassins defected to the Templars, that in turn allowed them to wipe out assassins and keep the potential threat neutralized.

It's only lately that the fan base has taken issue with it being too easy or unrealistic. It was always unrealistic but the games were never 100% realism anyways they were just based on it.
Assassins may be extremely trained soldiers,but i still believe it is too much to kill like 10 knights.Besides,knihts were also trained at an young age.Altair also killed Robert De Sable,who was a trained Templar,easily.Anyway,this more a gameplay problem rather than a story one.Combat should be hard,like it is advertised for ACU.3-5 guards maximum

RinoTheBouncer
08-23-2014, 11:07 AM
Well I agree with many if not all your points. I loved the story most of all. The story, the moral grayness and the conversations with the Templars, not to mention the modern day segments that were one of the main reasons why I love the franchise and gave a lot of meaning and importance to the story and of course, the mystery behind every sentence we hear. ACI definitely had one of the best stories in the AC franchise, directly followed by ACII, AC:R and AC:B as well as ACIII. It truly gave us some feeling that other games didn’t. It wasn’t a historical tourism game, it wasn’t a game of killing, it was a very story-driven game and that’s what I miss in AC games. There was a lot to tell and a lot of mystery, as well.

The lack of side missions did not bother me at all. I usually just ignore them unless they’re of a story value, but being repetitive kinda made it hard to endure until the end, but the mystery and the story were so powerful that they made you wanna do any type of mission just to see what’s gonna happen next. The combat is not the best either and neither was there any stealth system. Everything related to combat and stealth felt like it’s related to luck and chance. However, I did enjoy this game greatly and until now, I replay it when I replay the whole franchise, every once in a while.

Sesheenku
08-23-2014, 11:11 AM
Assassins may be extremely trained soldiers,but i still believe it is too much to kill like 10 knights.Besides,knihts were also trained at an young age.Altair also killed Robert De Sable,who was a trained Templar,easily.Anyway,this more a gameplay problem rather than a story one.Combat should be hard,like it is advertised for ACU.3-5 guards maximum

Debatable.

I like hard games and I like Unity's supposed new difficulty. However I don't believe that challenge is required to make a game or even combat fun. I play plenty of games and enjoy them where this is not the case. Kingdom Hearts is an example on it's easier modes, it's simple and it's not difficult but you still need to stay vigilant and not get hit too often, especially early on before you have the cure spell. The dodge/block/smack cycle is satisfying as it requires proper timing, especially when you block the attacks of say, two Wyverns.

dimbismp
08-23-2014, 11:38 AM
I loved AC combat so far,but i think it's high time an ac game had a more complex and hard combat system.If we don't like it,then the devs can make it easier again

Sesheenku
08-23-2014, 11:51 AM
I loved AC combat so far,but i think it's high time an ac game had a more complex and hard combat system.If we don't like it,then the devs can make it easier again

As long as it's actually harder and they haven't just turned it into a button masher.