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Jexx21
08-20-2014, 06:26 AM
Do you think you get voted into it, do you think you achieve the rank by achieving better skills and by how much you have done for the order, do you think members are chosen by the council itself?

With what the Assassin order stands for, you'd think it might be by a democracy, but the Assassin Brotherhood has traditionally been operated by more of a dictatorship that is passed down from Mentor to Mentor (another irony and contradiction in the way the Assassins operate) in the individual sections of the Brotherhood (with the modern day only have the single Mentor over all, and he was practically worshiped), and the way the French Brotherhood operates is new and unique to the way the Brotherhood as operated in the past.

It's very curious, and do you think that other sections of the Brotherhood may start to function in a similar way?

HDinHB
08-20-2014, 06:40 AM
I think it is a sort of autonomous collective, probably an anarcho-syndicalist commune. They would take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer of the week. Of course, all the decisions of that officer would have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting, by a simple majority in the case of purely internal Assassin affairs, but by a two-thirds majority...

Hmmmm. maybe they are chosen like the grail knight in the Indiana Jones movie...the bravest and most worthy. Nah, too Arthurian.

Probably the biggest badass gets to be the boss.

Aphex_Tim
08-20-2014, 06:49 AM
You might wanna change the title as it kind of contains spoilers ;)

Namikaze_17
08-20-2014, 06:52 AM
I always figured the Council in France all have districts they may be charage of, and perhaps they could be mentors of those respective branches as well....probably no Single mentor anymore huh? Which is strange..first in AC1-AC4 there's only a single mentor for a selected area, now there's a Council...and probably more around the world, and in MD, there's only ONE mentor for the entire world...
( Mentor of 2000)
WHAT THE **** IS GOING ON!?

But anyway, I bet you get up there by skill, wisdom, knowledge, etc. And I'm willing to bet Connor's and other brotherhoods probably followed this trend. ( That is if it doesn't fall apart that is ;) )

But atlas, That's all I got so far for it...

Jexx21
08-20-2014, 06:53 AM
...I see no spoilers in the title at all.

Namikaze_17
08-20-2014, 06:59 AM
Ah, yes...it's a spoiler if you didn't watch a two-minute trailer. :rolleyes:

LoyalACFan
08-20-2014, 07:01 AM
I wouldn't rule out the possibility of there still being one Mentor over the whole French brotherhood. To me the "council" looks more like a court; like Arno's being brought to trial for something (possibly after they find out he's been canoodling with a Templar). With the overall narrative of the FR dealing with decadent, neglectful rulers and corrupt power grabs, I wouldn't be surprised if the Mentor of the French Assassins is really an irresponsible autocrat and the three mysterious hooded men we saw in the trailer were just a few corrupt cronies running the show in his absence.

Aphex_Tim
08-20-2014, 07:11 AM
...I see no spoilers in the title at all.

Well, I can imagine if I wanted to avoid as much new info as possible but still participate in certain discussions on these forums, I wouldn't feel too happy about suddenly reading about a confirmed Assassin Counsel while browsing threads. The General Discussion page should still be kind of a safe place to scroll through. ;) Just a spoiler tag in front of the title should be enough avoid a potential hassle.

Namikaze_17
08-20-2014, 07:14 AM
I wouldn't rule out the possibility of there still being one Mentor over the whole French brotherhood. To me the "council" looks more like a court; like Arno's being brought to trial for something (possibly after they find out he's been canoodling with a Templar). With the overall narrative of the FR dealing with decadent, neglectful rulers and corrupt power grabs, I wouldn't be surprised if the Mentor of the French Assassins is really an irresponsible autocrat and the three mysterious hooded men we saw in the trailer were just a few corrupt cronies running the show in his absence.

It wouldn't surprise me if there was a Corrupt Mentor with Corrupt intentions that the Council stops, and eventually during the 'dark ages' of the revolution, they eventually get corrupted too and start to see themselves as the 'Absolutes' as like their "relationship" with the Jacoblins. Then they get killed for reasons, and Arno has to pick up the Mantle and fix the brotherhood.
( Much like another Assassin we know ;) )

But he could've been trailed for "busy" with a certain Templar, or it could be just a failed mission or breaking one of the tenets.

Anything could happen honestly...

HiddenKiller612
08-20-2014, 07:36 AM
Could be a tribunal of mentors from varying factions of the brotherhood.

Gin0r
08-20-2014, 08:20 AM
Some wild speculation:
The FR might be a time of internal turmoil not only for the Templars, but for the Assassins, too...
Maybe that’s the reason the track for the second CGI trailer is "The Golden Age is over".
Maybe the Assassins are in for their dark age. Like the Borgia corrupted the Templar Order...

I don’t think the council is elected, that’s not how the order works. While the Assassins are somewhere between democracy and anarchism on the political spectrum, an organisation like theirs cannot work efficiently if there are no strict hierarchies. Like the military in democratic societies still works like a dictatorship.

Maybe they decided to share Mentor duties and it didn’t work out, so we’re back to one mentor in the 2000s.


I think it is a sort of autonomous collective, probably an anarcho-syndicalist commune. They would take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer of the week. Of course, all the decisions of that officer would have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting, by a simple majority in the case of purely internal Assassin affairs, but by a two-thirds majority...


I see what you did there :D

Hans684
08-20-2014, 12:15 PM
There was an Italian Assassin Council in Prodject Legacy, from what I remember they are mostly involved with critical matters(like traitors, etc...) but they are still updated on what's going on. It's they jobb, they're the eagles watching their children grow.
Think the Jedi Council but with Assassins instead.

wvstolzing
08-20-2014, 12:37 PM
As to whether the title is a spoiler:

Strictly speaking, it hasn't even been 'confirmed' that it's a *council*. For all we know, it could be a bunch of druids.

More interesting are the symbols in the room, especially the two sphinxes.

Fatal-Feit
08-20-2014, 02:06 PM
Arno will have to kill at least one of those four mentors, I tell you.

Kakuzu745
08-20-2014, 07:17 PM
Could be a tribunal of mentors from varying factions of the brotherhood.

This would be so ridiculously badass!!!

HDinHB
08-20-2014, 10:06 PM
More interesting are the symbols in the room, especially the two sphinxes.

I was wondering about the sphinxes (I think they are gryphons). There also appear to be rams with their heads flanking the large Assassin symbol. Then there is the row of little human figures, some holding shields with the A symbol, and a ball with wings. Are these just for show or is there meaning behind them?

aL_____eX
08-20-2014, 10:12 PM
The altar in the middle looks like there is a spot to place something, doesn't it?

Btw, HDinHB you're signature is awesome. :cool:

wvstolzing
08-20-2014, 10:49 PM
I was wondering about the sphinxes (I think they are gryphons).

Ah, yes, that's what they are. (Gryphons, griffins, etc.)


There also appear to be rams with their heads flanking the large Assassin symbol. Then there is the row of little human figures, some holding shields with the A symbol, and a ball with wings. Are these just for show or is there meaning behind them?

I certainly hope there's more to all this, than just exotic-looking visuals. Something expanding the lore, that is.

Now that I come to think of it, the reason why so many people loved the 'Assassin Tombs' of AC2 could be that over and above the puzzle platforming, the music, the environments, etc., each of those episodes contributed a tiny little bit to the mythos----that kind of thing sets people's imaginations in motion.

EmbodyingSeven5
08-20-2014, 10:55 PM
I figure its some type of democracy. the assassins seem really into that type of stuff

HDinHB
08-20-2014, 11:17 PM
The altar in the middle looks like there is a spot to place something, doesn't it?

Btw, HDinHB you're signature is awesome. :cool:

Ah, shucks. :o I made it myself ;).


I did a little research on gryphons in Assassin's Creed, and found that the Assassin flags at Monteriggioni had a gryphon motif. I had completely forgotten that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsVhU91iZ94&feature=youtu.be&t=1m40s
There may be some gryphon imagery on the Armor of Altaïr, possibly on one vambrace and/or the chest guard. I couldn't find a good picture.

Maybe it's just because of the eagle theme.

wvstolzing
08-20-2014, 11:36 PM
Ah, shucks. :o I made it myself ;).

I did a little research on gryphons in Assassin's Creed, and found that the Assassin flags at Monteriggioni had a gryphon motif. I had completely forgotten that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsVhU91iZ94&feature=youtu.be&t=1m40s

That's a great find. How about the winged fellows on the columns, in the passage to the altar room?

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19784797/xxxxx.jpg

I can't tell what the 'faces' are faces of.

HDinHB
08-21-2014, 06:52 AM
That's a great find. How about the winged fellows on the columns, in the passage to the altar room?

I can't tell what the 'faces' are faces of.

Hmmmmm. I have no idea. i'm sure someone with a knowledge of antiquities would recognize them. I wonder when the artists are putting together the scenery if they just find historic stuff and paste it in, or if they think about each element and how it fits in history and in the AC universe, or if they take historic elements and tweak them to fit the universe. I wonder if it might be harder to create a historically "accurate" universe for AC, where the bones are predetermined but the details must be molded versus creating a universe from scratch (like Mass Effect) where you have to create everything, but have the freedom to change anything.

I think that was completely off topic.

Slightly less off-topic, I've decided those faces resemble tikis (http://latravelbug.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/tikitotempoleheliumballoon.jpg), with wings, those are the relatively unknown Hawaiian sphinx (http://www.mauimagazine.net/Maui-Magazine/January-February-2013/The-Hawaiian-Sphinxs-Riddle/).

Assassin's Creed: Five-0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ9xfNn09eQ) confirmed.

shobhit7777777
08-21-2014, 07:56 AM
Frankly, the entire concept - visually - is ridiculous

4 (?) dudes meeting in a huge, elaborate room with Assassin carvings....dressed in spooky robes, makes me LOL. It looked like the Vulcan high council rather than an covert, underground organisation which should shed rigid, archaic structures.

Hans684
08-21-2014, 07:58 AM
Frankly, the entire concept - visually - is ridiculous

4 (?) dudes meeting in a huge, elaborate room with Assassin carvings....dressed in spooky robes, makes me LOL. It looked like the Vulcan high council rather than an covert, underground organisation which should shed rigid, archaic structures.

Still better than a castle used as target practice by enemy's.

Jexx21
08-21-2014, 08:05 AM
Frankly, the entire concept - visually - is ridiculous

4 (?) dudes meeting in a huge, elaborate room with Assassin carvings....dressed in spooky robes, makes me LOL. It looked like the Vulcan high council rather than an covert, underground organisation which should shed rigid, archaic structures.

Well, the way they typically functioned in AC games was one guy was the mentor and he was pretty much dictator of the order until he decides to pass the title to someone else, retires, or dies.

Besides, maybe it makes sense for France?

HiddenKiller612
08-21-2014, 08:20 AM
maybe it makes sense when we have more than a secondary glance at the situation...

shobhit7777777
08-21-2014, 08:20 AM
Still better than a castle used as target practice by enemy's.

Castles, underground lais, elaborate halls....all make me LOL



Well, the way they typically functioned in AC games was one guy was the mentor and he was pretty much dictator of the order until he decides to pass the title to someone else, retires, or dies.


Exactly. Maybe I'm assuming too much (We've just seen 5 seconds of footage) but this dictatorial heirarchy feels off when it comes to Assassin political structure.

souNdwAve89
08-21-2014, 08:20 AM
I personally don't mind. I think it's kinda cool that they're going back to this. It may seem goofy to some, but I think it could be a story piece that the French Assassins are more traditional compared to other branches worldwide. I mean, we already know in Unity that the Templars are fighting among each other since some are more radical than the "Old Templars". I know that some speculated that this might be the case with the Assassins too. Some think Arno is on trial hence the four Assassins, Assassin themed chambers, etc.

wvstolzing
08-21-2014, 09:53 AM
I wonder if it might be harder to create a historically "accurate" universe for AC, where the bones are predetermined but the details must be molded versus creating a universe from scratch (like Mass Effect) where you have to create everything, but have the freedom to change anything.

At the start of his career, Isaac Asimov supposedly wanted to write a 'historical novel' taking place during the fall of Rome; he had to give up, though, since he realized it would be too much work, too many factual details to research and stay true to, etc. So he started writing the Foundation series; those are heavily influenced by Gibbon's Decline and Fall; but at the same time it's pure fantasy; so it gave Asimov the leisure to invent as he pleased.

Speaking of Asimov: I think the idea of Minerva's calculations for future possibilities, and the Nexus in AC3 are variations on Hari Seldon's calculations, and the 'prime radiant' in Foundation. Those aren't usually listed among AC-influences; but they're there, I'm sure.

Gin0r
08-21-2014, 11:55 AM
I can understand how the Assassin Council may come across a bit silly for some, but remember that they are a secret society and those tend to love their pomp and circumstance. Esp. around that time in history when secret societies were all the rage.

Some trivia – sorry I’m going a bit off-topic here:
The actual, real Illuminati were founded around that time AND were actually much closer to the ideals of the Assassins than the Templars’. Makes you wonder how they got such a bad reputation later on – really the stuff the Illuminati want according to conspiracy theories is the complete opposite of the original Illuminati ideals* . They were also said to be responsible for the French Revolution. I’d love it if we met a German Assassin Mentor named Adam Weishaupt (the founder of the Illuminati).

*From the wikipedia article on Adam Weishaupt:

Although the Order was not egalitarian or democratic internally, it sought to promote the doctrines of equality and freedom throughout society.[18]

The actual character of the society was an elaborate network of spies and counter-spies. Each isolated cell of initiates reported to a superior, whom they did not know: a party structure that was effectively adopted by some later groups.[18]

(...) His project of "illumination, enlightening the understanding by the sun of reason, which will dispel the clouds of superstition and of prejudice" (...) with the goal of "perfecting human nature" through re-education to achieve a communal state with nature, freed of government and organized religion.

Oh, and wvstolzing, are you a Landsmann? ;-)
I noticed we’re quite often online at the same time and your sig is in german, so...

Jexx21
08-21-2014, 04:19 PM
I can understand how the Assassin Council may come across a bit silly for some, but remember that they are a secret society and those tend to love their pomp and circumstance. Esp. around that time in history when secret societies were all the rage.

Some trivia – sorry I’m going a bit off-topic here:
The actual, real Illuminati were founded around that time AND were actually much closer to the ideals of the Assassins than the Templars’. Makes you wonder how they got such a bad reputation later on – really the stuff the Illuminati want according to conspiracy theories is the complete opposite of the original Illuminati ideals* . They were also said to be responsible for the French Revolution. I’d love it if we met a German Assassin Mentor named Adam Weishaupt (the founder of the Illuminati).

*From the wikipedia article on Adam Weishaupt:


Oh, and wvstolzing, are you a Landsmann? ;-)
I noticed we’re quite often online at the same time and your sig is in german, so...

This would be awesome, if the Paris Assassin branch were actually the Illuminati :P

But, then again, the Freemasons were cast aside to but mere mentions in AC3, makes it a little unlikely...

Hans684
08-21-2014, 04:25 PM
There is no Illuminati in AC, it's just the Templars, Assassins and other minor order like The Instrument Of The First Will, Freemonsons etc...

wvstolzing
08-21-2014, 07:17 PM
Oh, and wvstolzing, are you a Landsmann? ;-)
I noticed we’re quite often online at the same time and your sig is in german, so...

Leider bin ich nicht! I'm a Turkish citizen who lives in the US; but I'm quite the 'germanophile'. I borrowed my nick from Wagner's Meistersinger, and my sig from Schubert's Winterreise.


There is no Illuminati in AC

This guy disagrees:


http://youtu.be/dnPbrKx7kKk

In amazing audiovisual fidelity, I might add.

Hans684
08-21-2014, 07:46 PM
This guy disagrees:


http://youtu.be/dnPbrKx7kKk

In amazing audiovisual fidelity, I might add.

Abstergo = Illuminati = Wrong. It's all Templars. Every dialogue in the video was about the Templars but strange symbols usually connects to the First Civ. He's wrong either way.

wvstolzing
08-21-2014, 07:49 PM
Abstergo = Illuminati = Wrong. It's all Templars. Every dialogue in the video was about the Templars but strange symbols usually connects to the First Civ. He's wrong either way.

How about this guy? (They're a dime a dozen on YouTube. There are some *really* crazy ones too.)


http://youtu.be/GoLUklf1NLc

rickprog
08-21-2014, 08:01 PM
Illuminati and Freemasons are not the same thing. It's a misconception created by Dan Brown's books.

Hans684
08-21-2014, 08:06 PM
How about this guy? (They're a dime a dozen on YouTube. There are some *really* crazy ones too.)


http://youtu.be/GoLUklf1NLc

It isn't going to change something that already is written in stone.

Xstantin
08-21-2014, 08:09 PM
^I don't think a bunch of cryptic messages and symbols = Illuminati, but oh well

Hans684
08-21-2014, 08:11 PM
^I don't think a bunch of cryptic messages and symbols = Illuminati, but oh well

That's why I meant, there is no illuminati. It's the Templars.

Xstantin
08-21-2014, 08:17 PM
That's why I meant, there is no illuminati. It's the Templars.

Oh yeah, I got it :) still don't understand why Illuminati is a hot topic today, especially concerning AC, it feels like all that conspiracy stuff should've stayed in the late nineties))

Hans684
08-21-2014, 08:36 PM
Oh yeah, I got it :) still don't understand why Illuminati is a hot topic today, especially concerning AC, it feels like all that conspiracy stuff should've stayed in the late nineties))

Agree, sure I love conspiracies(AC). I saw two people with tinfoil hats past weekend, it should have stayed in the nineties.

aL_____eX
08-21-2014, 10:26 PM
Agree, sure I love conspiracies(AC). I saw two people with tinfoil hats past weekend, it should have stayed in the nineties.
Some people really have a screw loose... I... mean - why? :confused:

I'm aware that some conspiracies of course contain some truth, but most of it is just complete bs imagined by some crazy weirdos.

pineal_gland
08-21-2014, 11:31 PM
Yes, the real illuminati (not the celebrity, tin foil hat reptillian version) has/had indeed more in common with the assassins.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F_7AUpgUxc

You can find a lot of information about the illuminati on this website if you're interested:

http://www.armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/




Here's also a nice video about the Rosicrucian order:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=3211599302880&set=vb.102028364820&type=2&theater

It's a facebook link because i can't find it anywhere else.



Here's an interview about Adam Weishaupt (a grand master of the illuminati)

Adam Weishaupt and the Illuminati

Q. Did Adam Weishaupt (AW) found the Illuminati?
A. No, the Illuminati is a much older organisation. It has existed for millennia.

Q. Was AW a Grand Master of the Illuminati?
A. YES. He was based in Bavaria in Germany. Since he was the first Grand Master to bring the Illuminati into public awareness, he sometimes pretended that the Illuminati was a new secret society, created by him. He was thus able to avoid questions about the long history of the Illuminati, which might have revealed important clues that would have assisted the Illuminati's enemies. The Illuminati have still not provided a precise history, and RESERVE this information for senior initiates. (It has erroneously been claimed that AW said that the last King of Persia founded the Illuminati, and then wrote a letter to a fellow member of the Illuminati in which he admitted this was an "innocent lie". AW made no such claim and wrote no such letter, and such assertions are manifestly absurd. Why would a republican organisation opposed to monarchy claim a monarch as its founder? Why would an Illuminati Grand Master write to a member about such a matter instead of discussing it in a closed session of the Illuminati, with the customary requirement of complete secrecy? It is also claimed that three princes and various barons belonged to the Illuminati. Is this likely given the Illuminati's republicanism, their opposition to aristocrats and their leading role in the French Revolution, which led to the smashing of the power of the French monarchy and aristocracy, and the creation of a French Republic?)

Q. Did AW reject Catholicism and the Jesuits?
A. Yes. He became a Gnostic and therefore an enemy of the Satanic religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. He was content to be described as a deist rather than a theist. Anyone who understands Gnosticism will see why this should be so.

Q. Was AW influenced by the European Enlightenment?
A. Yes. He was a radical freethinker, but he did not go down the atheist/agnostic path as so many other leading thinkers did. He wanted to bring the light of knowledge/gnosis to those in the dark thrall of Satan.

Q. Was the Illuminati part of Freemasonry?
A. No. Freemasonry was a creation of the Illuminati, though it then evolved undesirably (paradoxically due to its success in America where all the main figures involved in the American Revolution were Masons) and eventually became everything the Illuminati opposed i.e. Freemasonry was corrupted and transformed itself into the very oppressive establishment it once resisted. (The vast majority of members of the Old World Order today are senior Freemasons.) The Illuminati did not travel the same path as the Masons. They remained true, steadfast and untarnished, although they have never subsequently been able to shake off their connection to Freemasonry in the eyes of the unenlightened and ill-informed. The Freemasons, as a creation of the Illuminati, are not party to any secrets unknown to the Illuminati, and were duped by the Illuminati to protect the Illuminati's core secrets - as will be discussed in another section.

Q. Did AW and the Illuminati believe in perfecting human nature?
A. Yes. (As far as possible within the framework provided by Gnosticism.)

Q. Was the Illuminati linked to the Alchemists, the Cathars, and the Knights Templar?
A. Yes. They were all Gnostic, and the Illuminati stood behind all of them.

Q. Did the Illuminati believe in the abolition of religion?
A. No. Only in the abolition of Satanic religions that enslaved and damned people (such as Judaism, Christianity and Islam.) It is true that many members of the Illuminati went under the guise of orthodox Christians to avoid the penalties associated with heresy.

Q. Did the Illuminati believe in the abolition of government?
A. No. Only in the abolition of oppressive governments such as those of monarchs, aristocrats, and privileged elites. They opposed Communism for the same reason.

Q. Did the Illuminati believe that they should rule the world?
A. No. They wished to create a New World Order in which everyone would have the chance to go as far in life as their talents warranted. At that stage, there would be no further need of the Illuminati. The purpose of the Illuminati was to FREE and educate people as far as possible. A society composed entirely of FREE, well-educated and talented individuals would result in an emergent society from which a new, higher type of humanity would emerge. Throughout history, most people have been neither free nor educated, and the human race has remained enslaved.

Q. Are the Illuminati linked to a Masonic elite in the present day?
A. No. The Illuminati have repudiated Freemasonry and now rank it alongside the Satanic religions. Most Freemasons are Protestant Christians: anathema to the Illuminati. (The Illuminati are enemies of all forms of Satanic Christianity. Catholicism was their great enemy historically, but Protestantism now spawns the greatest opposition to the Illuminati.)

Q. Do the Illuminati believe in a free, just, noble and unified world?
A. Yes, that is their ultimate vision, though they believe it would take many steps to get there. They believe that nationalism, patriotism, separation, isolationism, different languages, different cultures, different religions, all inevitably lead to division, suspicion, fear and, finally, conflict. Humanity should emphasise what unites it rather than what divides it. A New World Order with a SINGLE world language and a single economy where there are no boundaries and no barriers best symbolizes this new state of being. STAR TREK provides a vision of such a future world. STAR TREK envisages a one-world meritocracy where greed, money, nationalism, celebrity, monarchy have all been eliminated.

Q. Did AW say, "Let this circumstance of our constitution therefore be directed to this noble purpose, and then all the objections urged against it by jealous tyranny and affrighted superstition will vanish."
A. Yes.

Q. Did AW say, "And of all illumination which human reason can give, none is comparable to the discovery of what we are, our nature, our obligations, what happiness we are capable of, and what are the means of attaining it."
A. Yes.

Q. Do the Illuminati believe in the abolition of private property?
A. No. But they are opposed to excessive ownership of private property. They believe in a fair share for everyone. When one person gains more than his fair share, he is depriving another of his. You end up with a few families owning much of the land and wealth of a nation, thus placing massive power in their hands and outside the hands of the people. This cannot be tolerated. It is the basis of unfairness, inequality and injustice in society.

Q. Do the Illuminati believe in the abolition of the family?
A. No. But they do advocate much higher government involvement in the lives of failing families in order to save those families from themselves and stop them becoming a burden to other members of the community. All families are ultimately interdependent: a failing family affects all the families around it. Therefore government must intervene decisively to stop one bad apple spoiling the barrel, which is what happens too often in contemporary society. A huge underclass of failed families exists which sucks up taxpayers' money and requires an extremely costly police force to keep it in order, an extremely costly criminal justice system, an extremely costly prison system, and an extremely costly welfare and social care system. These are huge costs that are never recovered. Failed families are a constant drain on the rest of society. Therefore, government must act before the failure of a family becomes cast in stone and irretrievable. No family has the right, in the name of personal freedom, to become a burden to other families.

Q. Did AW believe that the world would be improved if "every man were placed in the office for which he was FITTED by nature and a proper education."
A. Yes. This is a good definition of meritocracy.

Q. Do the Illuminati believe in democracy?
A. No. They believe in meritocracy where the vote is granted to those who have demonstrated that they can think meaningfully and productively about the issues of the day. No one should get an automatic right to a vote simply by living long enough to reach their 16th, 18th or 21st birthday.
Q. Is the Illuminati fascist?
A. No. Meritocracy is opposed to fascism. Fascism is obsessed with racial purity, nationalism, patriotism and xenophobia. Meritocracy is opposed to all of these. Ironically, many of the people who denounce the Illuminati as fascists could themselves be accurately described as fascists. The nationalist American "patriots" who despise their government, who rail against the Illuminati, who hate foreigners, who have never ventured out of their country, would all be classified by the Illuminati as dangerous fascists. Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, is a classic example of an American patriotic fascist. The racist, slave-loving, Masonic Confederate States of America currently FURNISH most of the enemies of the Illuminati.

Q. Was Albert Pike a member of the Illuminati?
A. No. Pike was a racist, pro-slavery Confederate officer who loathed poor Irish immigrants arriving in America. He was a leading thinker in the type of Freemasonry that had become anathema to the Illuminati. Pike's version of Freemasonry has been appropriated by the Old World Order since it is compatible with their aims and agenda. The supposed connection of Pike to the Illuminati is absurd. He represented everything that people like Adam Weishaupt fought against. Why would a society that wanted to overthrow tyranny support racism and slavery? It is unthinkable, and all the conspiracy theories that link Pike to the Illuminati are idiotic.
Q. Was Giusseppe Mazzini a MEMBER of the Illuminati?
A. No. He wished to join the Illuminati, and was originally viewed favourably. He went through several stages of initiation before being deemed unsuitable. He set up a false version of the Illuminati that soon disappeared. His false Illuminati is at the root of many of the sinister rumours that surround the Illuminati. However, it must be acknowledged that not all of his activities were deemed hostile to the interests of the Illuminati.

Q. Did the Illuminati ever cease to exist?
A. No. The Illuminati has been in continuous existence since its inception. There have been no breaks, though it has sometimes operated under alternative names to prevent detection by its enemies. It has never been suppressed, and has never disbanded.

Q. Is the Illuminati's political vision based on Plato's Republic?
A. No. It is based on ancient and hidden Gnostic teachings.



Q. Are the Illuminati opposed to liberty?
A. No. They are champions of liberty. They want people to be as FREE as possible within a just, fair meritocracy. They oppose "freedom" where it allows disproportionate appropriation of resources (by the super rich, for example), thus starving others of resources and making others less free than they would otherwise be.

Q. Are the Illuminati linked to American "neocons"?
A. No. The neocons wish to impose the bondage of the Satanic Old World Order upon the whole of HUMANITY. How could a revolutionary movement such as the Illuminati that has always sought to overthrow the forces of privilege ever be associated with "conservative" thinking? It is a crucial point that the Old World Order simply wish to extend their current political model all across the globe (best summarised as American "democratic" market capitalism). In no sense do they wish to create a New World Order. They aim to give the world more of the same; nothing new. The New World Order of the Illuminati means an entirely new economic, religious and political model for humanity, with meritocracy at its core. The Old World Order would have no place in the Illuminati's New World Order. All of their wealth and power would be stripped from them. That, of course, is why they fear the Illuminati so much and why they spend so much time engaged in propaganda against the Illuminati.

Q. Did the Illuminati have a strong involvement in the Scottish War of INDEPENDENCE against England, the English Civil War, the American Revolution, the French Revolution, the American Civil War, the Irish Easter Uprising, the Russian Revolution, the Cuban Revolution, and many other risings and revolutions?
A. YES. There is Illuminati involvement in most revolutions, rebellions and uprisings. It is usually advantageous to the Illuminati to destabilise the power of the Old World Order in any part of the world at any time. However, the Illuminati will not support causes with which they have no sympathy, even if they might provide tactical gains.

Q. Do the many conspiracy theories involving the Illuminati have any basis in truth?
A. Most conspiracy theories are absurd - a hotchpotch of paranoid rants and crazy links between things that have no connection whatsoever. How can a secret society such as the Illuminati that has always opposed monarchy, excessive wealth and privilege be placed alongside the super rich, royalty and dynastic families in the pantheon of conspiracy theories? It is ludicrous and merely reflects the stupidity of the people who hold these nonsensical views. To say that the Illuminati, a society that has had to flee the persecution of the Old World Order, are the puppetmasters behind the scenes is too ridiculous for words. Any conspiracy theorist who is unable to distinguish between the Old World Order and the New World Order hasn't even begun to understand the true nature of the world. Conspiracy theorists tend to assemble a list of everything they fear and hate then put them all together into one huge conspiracy, no matter that the pieces simply don't fit together. Any conclusions that flow from such an idiotic collection of incompatible ingredients are invariably laughable. The Old World Order is extremely right wing. The Illuminati would be considered on the left (though, in fact, they reject many liberal, left wing nostrums). Saint-Just, Robespierre and Marat, all members of the Jacobin Club in revolutionary France, were senior members of the Illuminati. The only reason such people would visit Bohemian Grove would be to burn it down. It is always wrong to shoehorn right wing and left wing groups together.

Q. Are the Illuminati wealthy?
A. The Illuminati have many priceless artefacts in their possession. However, they would never sell any of these items since they reflect the history and the great religious secrets of the Illuminati. So, their wealth is simultaneously vast but in no way realisable.

Q. What are the secrets of the Illuminati?
A. The Illuminati have been open about their political agenda, but they will not comment expansively upon religious and spiritual matters until the moment is right.

Q. Are the Illuminati party to an astonishing religious mystery, a great secret?
A. Yes.

Q. Will the Illuminati's forthcoming book "The Soul Camera" reveal any of their secrets?
A. This BOOK will be a mixture of fact, fiction and disguised facts. The well-informed will gain many insights. For others, it will simply be a story.

It is in the name of truth, justice and freedom that the Illuminati will one day deliver the just, equitable and meritocratic New World Order HUMANITY is crying out for.

"It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

The Declaration of Arbroath, Scotland, 1320
Quotations by Adam Weishaupt

When man lives under oppressive government, he is fallen, his worth is gone, and his nature tarnished.

This is the great object held out by this association; and the means of attaining it is illumination, enlightening the understanding by the sun of reason which will dispel THE CLOUDS of superstition and of prejudice.

And of all illumination which HUMAN reason can give, none is comparable to the discovery of what we are, our nature, our obligations, what happiness we are capable of, and what are the means of attaining it.

Nothing would be more profitable to us than a right history of mankind.

But I would have executed much greater things, had not government always opposed my exertions, and placed others in situations which would have suited my talents.

But alas, they are all sadly deficient, because they leave us under the domination of political and religious prejudices; and they are as inefficient as the sleepy dose of an ordinary sermon.

Morality will perform all this; and Morality is the fruit of Illumination.

My general plan is good, though in the detail there may be faults.

Of all the means I know to lead men, the most effectual is a concealed mystery.

pineal_gland
08-21-2014, 11:36 PM
I was very disappointed by the lack of content about the illuminati and freemasons in AC3..i don't think it will be any different in AC:unity.

Jexx21
08-22-2014, 12:28 AM
Well, if in the Assassin's Creed universe, the Assassins ARE the Illuminati... we may see them in Unity.

Namikaze_17
08-22-2014, 01:00 AM
Hmm, interesting...

wvstolzing
08-22-2014, 08:22 AM
Oh no! The Illuminati are trying to take over the forums!

(Puts on tinfoil beaked hood)

HiddenKiller612
08-22-2014, 08:24 AM
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140814003334/samandcat/images/6/69/Its-conspiracy.jpg

Gin0r
08-22-2014, 08:59 AM
OMG WHAT HAVE I DONE? ;)

I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to derail the thread...

Of course, I might only say that because I am one of THEM...

Locopells
08-22-2014, 11:00 AM
It relevant as long as you're linking it to how you think the AssCon works.