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Locopells
08-13-2014, 09:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-8KF4vOXcs&list=UU_fwlBSrMIfdb4Br2O_Fzlw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbGLe1wcSck&list=UU_fwlBSrMIfdb4Br2O_Fzlw

Oh, and this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu6AogoIYAAz6bR.jpg

X_xWolverinEx_X
08-13-2014, 09:20 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-8KF4vOXcs&feature=youtu.be

jayjay275
08-13-2014, 09:21 AM
Nothing looks new. :o

jeordievera
08-13-2014, 09:25 AM
Yay for Haytam, other than that it looks just like Black Flag..

X_xWolverinEx_X
08-13-2014, 09:27 AM
http://i.imgur.com/nUSBFDg.jpg (http://imgur.com/nUSBFDg)

jayjay275
08-13-2014, 09:29 AM
Yay for Haytam, other than that it looks just like Black Flag..

This.

Legendz54
08-13-2014, 09:32 AM
Yay

Wasn't expecting much change in gameplay but still looking forward to picking this up later this year for the story.

jayjay275
08-13-2014, 09:34 AM
So I'm guessing we're getting no Unity gameplay...? This saddens me.

Ichrukia56
08-13-2014, 09:39 AM
Same as Black Flag but that is not a bad thing ;)

killzab
08-13-2014, 09:42 AM
So Shay's got the same combat animations as Edward's , obvious cash-in ...

Legendz54
08-13-2014, 09:48 AM
I was hoping for a "demo" like video where we get a few cutscenes and introduce us again to Haytham. But oh well cant complain since I thought I would see this tomorrow.

Matknapers18
08-13-2014, 09:51 AM
Really disappointed. Just a re-textured AC4. Same combat, same animations, same mechanics, same weapons, they didn't even change the weapon wheel or the HUD. Literally identical to AC4 with a bit of snow and Ice.The most exciting part of those demos was Haytham. And he didn't even talk.

marvelfannumber
08-13-2014, 09:52 AM
I literaly squeeled when I saw Haytham but other than that yeah it's nothing new.

However I guess I can say some of the things I like, the arctic seems to add some nice change of scenery to that of Black Flag, the soundtrack so far sounds quite good (almost dare say it already sounds a bit better than Unity) and the graphics are a slight improvement over Black Flag (though it does sacrifice the frame rate severly in the second demo.

I also like the Assassin mechanics here as I hope they can add a bit of challenge and change to the gameplay.

Kinda annoying it is literaly just a reskinned AC4 as said (but then again Brotherhood was just a reskinned AC2), but as one who had extremely low expectations I found some things to like and I think I might buy it when it gets a price reduction.

AherasSTRG
08-13-2014, 09:56 AM
Hmm, the game looks exactly like Assassin's Creed 4... More Assassin's Creed 4 you say? HELL YEAH!

But I am on the PC side, so, no Rogue for me... At least for a while.

PS: The river valley gameplay is soooo laggy. And even on youtube, you can spot the frame inconsistency.

HiddenKiller612
08-13-2014, 09:56 AM
They kept the sea shanties and by the sound of it... there's different ones than those in Black Flag... I like the air rifle... seems like an all around weapon... I dislike how Shay uses the same mechanics as Edward... but this is essentially Black Flag 2... so no worries on that for me. I like the frozen ship areas, those seem cool... and I got a slight glimpse of the northern lights... which look awesome.

killzab
08-13-2014, 09:57 AM
So ... Shay doesn't have a hood anymore when he turns templar ? Is the image on the cover and all the renders we've seen false advertising ?


They kept the sea shanties and by the sound of it... there's different ones than those in Black Flag... I like the air rifle... seems like an all around weapon... I dislike how Shay uses the same mechanics as Edward... but this is essentially Black Flag 2... so no worries on that for me. I like the frozen ship areas, those seem cool... and I got a slight glimpse of the northern lights... which look awesome.

They could have at least given him new animations for his main weapons

Legendz54
08-13-2014, 09:57 AM
Why is everyone acting so surprised that its pretty much an upgraded AC4, This is exactly what I expected ( a game that improves AC4) .. Chances are this game will probably have an interesting story so thats a positive. If you want change just get AC Unity.

EDIT: The guy playing the second demo was ****house.

Locopells
08-13-2014, 09:57 AM
Penguins in the Arctic?!

Oh, and this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu6AogoIYAAz6bR.jpg

marvelfannumber
08-13-2014, 09:59 AM
Penguins in the Arctic?!


Ikr? That's really odd but I can't really complain since I love Penguins but still......they kinda messed up there didn't they?

jayjay275
08-13-2014, 09:59 AM
So are we not seeing a demo for Unity then?

HiddenKiller612
08-13-2014, 10:00 AM
Ikr? That's really odd but I can't really complain since I love Penguins but still......they kinda messed up there didn't they?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_auk

AherasSTRG
08-13-2014, 10:01 AM
I doubt we 'll see a Unity Demo. Most probably a costumisation preview.

Skelface
08-13-2014, 10:02 AM
Black Flag 1.5.

http://i.imgur.com/MaAKuWE.png

jayjay275
08-13-2014, 10:03 AM
I doubt we 'll see a Unity Demo. Most probably a costumisation preview.

If we got a customisation preview then that'd be OK, I guess. If not, then I'll be quite irritated.

HiddenKiller612
08-13-2014, 10:04 AM
Black Flag 1.5.

http://i.imgur.com/MaAKuWE.png
Yep. It's essentially like Brotherhood/Revelations.... only with a different main character

Legendz54
08-13-2014, 10:04 AM
I didn't get to hear shay or haythams voice :(

marvelfannumber
08-13-2014, 10:04 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_auk

Huh I never knew about those, thanks for letting me know! I am not much of an animal expert so forgive my ignorance.

HiddenKiller612
08-13-2014, 10:06 AM
Huh I never knew about those, thanks for letting me know! I am not much of an animal expert so forgive my ignorance.
No worries, easy mistake as they look quite similar...

AherasSTRG
08-13-2014, 10:08 AM
Black Flag 1.5.

http://i.imgur.com/MaAKuWE.png

Yeah. Why are people upset? Didn't Black Flag and Freedom Cry leave you asking for more? Here's more.

HiddenKiller612
08-13-2014, 10:09 AM
Yeah. Why are people upset? Didn't Black Flag and Freedom Cry leave you asking for more? Here's more.
Who's upset?

marvelfannumber
08-13-2014, 10:10 AM
I said this on YouTube but I think I would be less bugged with the same'eyness if it was maybe 10-20 dollar cheaper than your average game. Hopefully it makes up for the full price by having a decent amount of content and stuff to do.

X_xWolverinEx_X
08-13-2014, 10:10 AM
some look a bit different

Skelface
08-13-2014, 10:11 AM
Who's upset?

People expecting a Unity-like Assassin's Creed on old-gen platforms.

AherasSTRG
08-13-2014, 10:11 AM
Who's upset?

A few people here and some at the social media.

HiddenKiller612
08-13-2014, 10:15 AM
There is no pleasing everyone. To try is to fail.

Locopells
08-13-2014, 10:19 AM
Huh I never knew about those, thanks for letting me know! I am not much of an animal expert so forgive my ignorance.

Don't worry, I should've remember that as well...

Legendz54
08-13-2014, 10:20 AM
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-13-2014/1scKj0.gif

http://i.imgur.com/g7Jobu6.gif

chris.hayes151
08-13-2014, 10:27 AM
Only thing that nagged me was this invincibility sort of aspect...

I mean air assassinated, immune to poison/smoke, got shot dont know how many times.

But as people have said looks very similar to Black Flag... i understand its gonna be... but literally an exact copy, with different skins :rolleyes:

HiddenKiller612
08-13-2014, 10:31 AM
Only thing that nagged me was this invincibility sort of aspect...

I mean air assassinated, immune to poison/smoke, got shot dont know how many times.

But as people have said looks very similar to Black Flag... i understand its gonna be... but literally an exact copy, with different skins :rolleyes:
He's not immune to smoke or gas, he has a gas mask... if you forget to put it on you become effected by gas/smoke. As for shots... every assassin can take hits... especially if they are upgraded as Shay must have been for the gameplay... they aren't going to show him getting shot to **** in a gameplay video.

AherasSTRG
08-13-2014, 10:38 AM
Only thing that nagged me was this invincibility sort of aspect...

I mean air assassinated, immune to poison/smoke, got shot dont know how many times.

But as people have said looks very similar to Black Flag... i understand its gonna be... but literally an exact copy, with different skins :rolleyes:

He was buffed for the purposes of the demo. He was shot but did not lose any health. Even in AC4, he would have died by then.

projectpat06
08-13-2014, 10:42 AM
looks cool.

My only criticism is that I wish they would have used Haytham's and/or Connor's sword fighting animations. So for those who might not remember, this would just be the combination of a single sword and hidden blade. The dual sword gameplay for edward was a downgrade from AC3's swordplay.

THE-MANK-01
08-13-2014, 10:51 AM
I liked what I saw, I'm down for more sailing and tree running through a frontier type environment.

X_xWolverinEx_X
08-13-2014, 11:16 AM
guys I've compared the animations in the videos to all of the sword ones and fists in ac4 and in rogue they are slower and new but feel tiny bit familiar.

m4r-k7
08-13-2014, 11:18 AM
Nah I am not going to get this

1) Re-skin of AC 4 environments
2) Combat moves share same animations with AC 4
3) So much emphasis on his gun
4) After looking at Unity's upgraded mechanics I can't help but feel bored when watching this
5) Is just like watching AC 4.

I know its kind of fine as its last-gen and they didn't want to recreate completely different environments but I really can't get excited :(
However, the bits where he is being chased by assassins is cool and I hope the story is good. I liked seeing Haytham :)

X_xWolverinEx_X
08-13-2014, 12:20 PM
just to clear things up http://i.imgur.com/uHbBRS4.png

jeordievera
08-13-2014, 12:22 PM
Few screenshots:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu6JSZ3CQAAtviT.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu6JSgMCYAEYT5A.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu6JSmwCAAAyExu.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu6JQ66CMAA2o-Z.jpg:large
And Haytham
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu6T6dNCEAE7j6l.png

ACfan443
08-13-2014, 12:28 PM
It looks like way too much of a reskinned AC4 for it to feel like a new experience, they even rehashed the HUD elements. The gameplay, environments and sea levels are passable at best, most uninteresting AC demos I've set my eyes on. If anything, the footage has convinced me not to part with my money for this quick cash-grab.

But, the music... I heard vocals in the ambient soundtrack when he was exploring the shipwreck. GODDAMMIT that's so unfair. The music in both these demos is already better than what I've heard so far of Unity's.

Loki Will Rule
08-13-2014, 12:29 PM
My only gripe is the Edward kill animations Shay had.

frodrigues55
08-13-2014, 12:32 PM
It looks like way too much of a reskinned AC4 for it to feel like a new experience, they even rehashed the HUD elements. The gameplay, environments and sea levels are passable at best, most uninteresting AC demos I've set my eyes on. If anything, the footage has convinced me not to part with my money for this quick cash-grab.

But, the music... I heard vocals in the ambient soundtrack when he was exploring the shipwreck. GODDAMMIT that's so unfair. The music in both these demos is already better than what I've heard so far of Unity's.

OH yeah, good point. I was like "Well this is boring" up until the Saphire music started playing. That caught my attention the second it started playing, it was beautiful.

X_xWolverinEx_X
08-13-2014, 12:36 PM
My only gripe is the Edward kill animations Shay had.

there not. well the combat ones are not plus running one as well

Legendz54
08-13-2014, 12:44 PM
Few screenshots:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu6JSZ3CQAAtviT.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu6JSgMCYAEYT5A.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu6JSmwCAAAyExu.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu6JQ66CMAA2o-Z.jpg:large
And Haytham
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu6T6dNCEAE7j6l.png

Haytham Mah MAN! Still wearing the same clothes I see... Shay Kind of has Connor's ponytail.

lothario-da-be
08-13-2014, 12:44 PM
Where do you guys see Rogue gameplay? I only see ac4 vids?
The game looks okay, even more copy paste then expected. But it's more of ac4 wich I loved so I guess I will love this too.

LatinaC09
08-13-2014, 12:45 PM
I'm getting it for the sea shanties.

ACfan443
08-13-2014, 12:47 PM
OH yeah, good point. I was like "Well this is boring" up until the Saphire music started playing. That caught my attention the second it started playing, it was beautiful.

So beautiful and atmospheric, really felt like a throwback to Kyd's work on the first four games. I suppose the one good thing that'll come out of Rogue is the soundtrack.

SHADOWGARVIN
08-13-2014, 12:50 PM
Looks great. I loved black flag. I can't wait to play this.

Legendz54
08-13-2014, 12:51 PM
around 7:15 seriously sounds like AC2 soundtrack in the first demo.

ACfan443
08-13-2014, 12:58 PM
around 7:15 seriously sounds like AC2 soundtrack in the first demo.

I'd say it sounds more like ACR's 'Istanbul' at the 1:47 mark

http://youtu.be/oYj4jD2-g9k

Loki Will Rule
08-13-2014, 01:04 PM
there not. well the combat ones are not plus running one as well

Have you played AC4? Shay was using Edward's kills. There maybe more in the game, but the ones in the walkthroughs were used by Edward in AC4.

kosmoscreed
08-13-2014, 01:07 PM
Looks good but as expected after watching Unity my desire to play an old generation AC game is close to zero. I can't shake this feeling of Black Flag 1.5, something that should have been an expansion and not a full game but still I will buy but I can't lie, is going to be hard to play it after playing Unity, I wish the release dates were the other way around.

lothario-da-be
08-13-2014, 01:14 PM
Actualy I am not even mad that this is just a 100% ac4 reskin, my only worry is the size of game. Will this be a 6 hour long story in a world half as big as ac4's world?

killzab
08-13-2014, 01:19 PM
Actualy I am not even mad that this is just a 100% ac4 reskin, my only worry is the size of game. Will this be a 6 hour long story in a world half as big as ac4's world?

Well... there's only one city to begin with ...

jellejackhammer
08-13-2014, 01:25 PM
i expect it to be like ac revelations length wise

bitebug2003
08-13-2014, 01:35 PM
I loved AC: Black Flag and I'm bound to love this, minus the tailing and chasing missions.

ACfan443
08-13-2014, 01:37 PM
Not the right thread for this, but they showed brand new Unity gameplay on the Twitch stream, it was a demo (not a full one, they skipped through some parts) and it showed how the assassination flashback works. There were some glimpses of it in the Horizon trailer.

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 01:56 PM
*Wakes up*
*Goes to Forums*
*Sees Gameplay Videos*
*Watches*
*Sees Haytham*
*Screams*
*See Gameplay*

Meh.....it's nothing new that's for sure. Hopefully the locations and the character/ story make up for it all.

Btw, anyone know who the Guy was to Shay's Right? I think he's the quartermaster as Haytham is probably tagging along for a mission or Two. But I do like the parts about the Assassins and how they work.

Plus, can't believe we didn't see any NY gameplay.....

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 02:00 PM
Nah I am not going to get this

1) Re-skin of AC 4 environments
2) Combat moves share same animations with AC 4
3) So much emphasis on his gun
4) After looking at Unity's upgraded mechanics I can't help but feel bored when watching this
5) Is just like watching AC 4.

I know its kind of fine as its last-gen and they didn't want to recreate completely different environments but I really can't get excited :(
However, the bits where he is being chased by assassins is cool and I hope the story is good. I liked seeing Haytham :)

^ This......Except I'll be getting it anyway because I have no PS4 at the moment.

Ignacio_796
08-13-2014, 02:05 PM
Not the right thread for this, but they showed brand new Unity gameplay on the Twitch stream, it was a demo (not a full one, they skipped through some parts) and it showed how the assassination flashback works. There were some glimpses of it in the Horizon trailer.

Whats the link to see it?

About Rogue, it pains me that this game is just a recycle version of the previous AC (Assassins Creed IV.5: Black Flag money grab Edition). After buying all AC's and support this franchise, its dissapointed to see how the last game for the old gen( where AC was born) is a Pirate Creed without the beautiful views of the Caribbean and a reused city. Its like showing the middle finger to all the fans that can't afford a next gen console. Almost all the features and mechanics are reused from the previous games (combat, parkour, hunting, HUD, hell, even collectibles are the same), and the new ones, like the rifle or the new ship weapons look unimportant. I saw the gameplay and it made me wonder: Why if an assassin lands on you and stabs you with his hidden blade, you still alive? it makes the whole enemy assasin mechanic pointless. Also, the combat is the same as previous installments, which maybe is the worst thing ever.Why would you use stealth, or distracting bombs...or anything, if you can just kill everybody. Also, you now can stand still on your ship and wait until the enemies board you and kill the whole enemy crew with ease, making the whole process of boarding and get cargo more comfortable This game looks like a waste opportunity for a good naval AC sequel and to play as a templar. This game should be released at the begining/middle of the next year, or not be released at all. Thankfully we also have Unity this year which looks awesome.

PD: the soundtrack of Rogue looks amazing!!

harsab
08-13-2014, 02:11 PM
it's quite upsetting to see how badly they've recycled AC4.

What makes it worse is why we are a new character when we could of just played as Haytham instead of Shay.

I will still get this game due to me being intrigued to the story.

But yeah AC Unity looks 1 million times better can't wait to play that game.

lothario-da-be
08-13-2014, 02:16 PM
it's quite upsetting to see how badly they've recycled AC4.

What makes it worse is why we are a new character when we could of just played as Haytham instead of Shay.

I will still get this game due to me being intrigued to the story.

But yeah AC Unity looks 1 million times better can't wait to play that game.
We already know most of Haytham's story so I think it is more exciting to play as a new character.

HoIcon
08-13-2014, 02:16 PM
wow, didn't think it would be such a reskin, thought Shay would at least have his own fighting style
seems like it was supposed to be Black flag DLC that turned into a full game
i suppose i'm willing to overlook this if the story is good
really should've been announced before unity and should be released before it too, it would sell better

lothario-da-be
08-13-2014, 02:18 PM
Well... there's only one city to begin with ...
If the rest is big enough I am okay with that.
But I doubt the rest will be big.

harsab
08-13-2014, 02:22 PM
We already know most of Haytham's story so I think it is more exciting to play as a new character.

If that was the case they wouldn't of included him in this game especially right beside Shay. We know a good portion of his story not all of it.

Rogue should of completed his story and the Kenway saga.

What makes the situation worse is how we've never heard about Shay in previous games.

Shahkulu101
08-13-2014, 02:27 PM
Looks VERY similar to Black Flag as you have all deduced, but seeing as there's Unity I'm totally okay with that - I loved Black Flag. I thought the environments looked lovely, especially the arctic lights. The River Valley looks cool too...a Frontier with some naval goings-on. Yeah, I'm going to be entertained by this game.

Oh and yes I loved that soundtrack too. I think it's trademark Brian Tyler.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, but they should have at least changed the HUD and UI! And I'm a little irked that Shay appears to share so many of Edward's animations...

SpiritOfNevaeh
08-13-2014, 03:02 PM
Hmm.. interesting gameplay, but I'm not too excited about this game anymore, except for Haytham, penguins and polar bears lol

They reused a lot of AC4 stuff, and I technically didn't like AC4 greatly.

Oh well, maybe they'll change my view when the game comes out, but right now I'm kinda meh.

ModernWaffle
08-13-2014, 03:08 PM
As someone who was pretty excited for Rogue, I have to say that I'm really disappointed with these gameplay walkthroughs. Reusing so many features from Black Flag's hud was a real let down for me and the game hardly feels 'new' now. Perhaps it was more practical/profitable for them to do this, but I still feel some changes to the display of the game such as fight animations or re-designs of plants and building structures (not a lot, just some) would have come a long way. Plus, I'm saddened by what seems to be the lack of Shay's hood in-game. I know he's a Templar and therefore wouldn't wear his hood anymore, but I think it makes his character look more stealthy and deadly. And the narrator of the river valley walkthrough... well the less said the better.

However, soundtrack sounds good and some of the new gameplay features look fun (even as a lot of them are arguably the same gimmicks from previous games). But I'm leaving final judgements to its actual release and the reviews that follow, plus I'm still appreciative that Ubisoft have still made an attempt to deliver a new game for previous gen gamers. But from what I have seen, I might not buy Rogue on release now.

SlyTrooper
08-13-2014, 03:22 PM
The game will be better, but only if they get rid of the f**king auto-fail missions!
In all seriousness, they do need to do that. And the demo was a bit disappointing. The biggest change I saw was the walking animation. In the River Valley demo, he did mention that the parkour has been improved... I'm not really seeing it. Either way, I'm still keeping my collector's edition pre-order & it should be a bit of fun, hopefully with a good story too. I'll just rotate between playing Unity & Rogue so it feels fresh. I don't imagine I will have completed Unity to 100% by the time Rogue is out.
Just something I notice (I don't know if anyone has brought this up). When Shay is in a restricted area, he raises his collar. Where is the hood we saw in the trailer???

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 03:22 PM
HAYTHAM

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/970341/foaming-mouth-guy-o.gif

Also I wonder who the templar on the right is. And how annoyed they'll get at sea shanties :rolleyes:

joelsantos24
08-13-2014, 03:26 PM
Incredibly disappointing, it's AC4 with slightly different visuals. No improvement on stealth, apparently, which was something I was expecting, at least.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 03:28 PM
lol @ the people complaining it's basically like AC4 but with templars.

That's exactly how it was advertised to be.

did you guys really expect a major revamp in mechanics? That's what Unity is for.

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 03:30 PM
@Mayrice.

Good Morning.......and yeah, I'm curious about that guy too. Is he our quartermaster? And Haytham? HELL YEAH!!!
Probably is a Cameo for a couple missions? :(

But so far, the game looks meh. Few improvements, but B(lack Flag 2.0 ( Templar Edition) to me.

Legendz54
08-13-2014, 03:32 PM
lol @ the people complaining it's basically like AC4 but with templars.

That's exactly how it was advertised to be.

did you guys really expect a major revamp in mechanics? That's what Unity is for.

This is what I keep saying a few pages back. Haytham's back (I think i saw him oogling Shay.. Shaytam Confirmed) And doesn't Shay kind of have Connors hair? or at least his ponytail..

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 03:32 PM
of course it's black flag 2.0

I'm surprised so many of you expected anything more.

I thought that was established ever since they shay rumors were confirmed true

killzab
08-13-2014, 03:33 PM
lol @ the people complaining it's basically like AC4 but with templars.

That's exactly how it was advertised to be.

did you guys really expect a major revamp in mechanics? That's what Unity is for.

Well I expected them to at least give Shay new animations since even Adewale had some.

m4r-k7
08-13-2014, 03:33 PM
It hasn't been improved at all though apart from new naval weapons and a new gun... I mean the combat animations are the same! That is just pure laziness..

harsab
08-13-2014, 03:33 PM
lol @ the people complaining it's basically like AC4 but with templars.

That's exactly how it was advertised to be.

did you guys really expect a major revamp in mechanics? That's what Unity is for.

No but we were expecting some new mechanics not AC4 all over again. it literally felt like i was watching the AC4 demo from last years E3...at least change the god damn HUD! :(

hopefully i'm proven wrong when the game comes out and i hope it has an amazing story line.

Legendz54
08-13-2014, 03:36 PM
No but we were expecting some new mechanics not AC4 all over again. it literally felt like i was watching the AC4 demo from last years E3...at least change the god damn HUD! :(

hopefully i'm proven wrong when the game comes out and i hope it has an amazing story line.

There are some new mechanics.. Ice sheets that you can ram through.. More weather simulations, The new Air gun (bomb gun), gas mask, new ship weapons, Polar bears... and PENGUINS.

Megas_Doux
08-13-2014, 03:37 PM
The gameplay reminds me of AC IV, but the atmosphere has AC III written all over it, for obvious reasons, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Dont expect much from this cash cow anyways.....

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 03:38 PM
of course it's black flag 2.0

I'm surprised so many of you expected anything more.

I thought that was established ever since they shay rumors were confirmed true

Thing is, Everyone ( Including myself somewhat) was expecting Improvements honestly.....not a huge REVAMP like Unity.

That's Unrealistic......

Legendz54
08-13-2014, 03:39 PM
Thing is, Everyone ( Including myself somewhat) was expecting Improvements honestly.....not a huge REVAMP like Unity.

That's Unrealistic......

Really? ACB and ACR were just improvements on AC2 but they turned out pretty good..

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 03:40 PM
I will say it is odd for him not to have some unique fighting animations

Shahkulu101
08-13-2014, 03:43 PM
Ashraf basically helped make two games...

And Rogue will be great because it follows his masterful open world design. Chins up.

Ignacio_796
08-13-2014, 03:44 PM
lol @ the people complaining it's basically like AC4 but with templars.

That's exactly how it was advertised to be.

did you guys really expect a major revamp in mechanics? That's what Unity is for.

Look at it this way: we're talking about Assassins Creed, one of the most famous series of games of all time. If an AC sequel is announced, customers and specially fans are going to expect a game with good value, a game that worth the 70$.If its a bad, recycle money grabbing game, people are going to criticize it as it deserves, regardless of how it was advertised. You're right in one thing, we have Unity, which looks amazing, but im still dissapointed because Rogue...

PS: sorry if there is any TYPOS...

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 03:45 PM
Plus Rogue has Haytham Kenway.

All complaints are null and void.

Also I love how he does nothing but stand in the ship. When the crew is attacked, he's just standing there. When tons of snow is blowing in his face, he doesn't even try to keep his hat on. #MOFOHaythamKenway

@Ignacio

I suppose

but I stopped expecting major innovation in every title since Liberation

SlyTrooper
08-13-2014, 03:47 PM
Really? ACB and ACR were just improvements on AC2 but they turned out pretty good..

That is a very good point. When you compare the improvements both of them had, it's pretty much the same or less to what Rogue has from ACIV. You have genuinely made me happier. Danke :)

Legendz54
08-13-2014, 03:47 PM
Haytham just rolls that way... He is Immune to cold weather and blasts from other ships.. he didn't even talk in the demo.. He just wants his forest fruits...

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 03:47 PM
Really? ACB and ACR were just improvements on AC2 but they turned out pretty good..

Brotherhood......yeah. but not revelations, everyone thought it was like brotherhood with additions. Kinda the
case now as well. Honestly, it's just laziness to me. But like I said in another thread, I'm ONLY in for Shay and his story.....everything else is meh.

Shahkulu101
08-13-2014, 03:48 PM
Yeah I was surprised he didn't talk at all...maybe they are hiding the fact his actor was replaced. ;)

Will Haytham be on the ship permanently? That would be strange, I imagine he has stuff to do...

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 03:48 PM
Ashraf basically helped make two games...

And Rogue will be great because it follows his masterful open world design. Chins up.


#HaveHope

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 03:50 PM
I hope when you click the prompt to make your crew stop singing sea shanties, Haytham yells "SHUT UP" :rolleyes:

But yeah I'm sad he and Shay didn't speak, like at all. :(

And that third bloke who I will most certainly ship in a threeway.


Yeah I was surprised he didn't talk at all...maybe they are hiding the fact his actor was replaced. ;)

Will Haytham be on the ship permanently? That would be strange, I imagine he has stuff to do...

Adrian....still hasn't said anything about Haytham.....*twitch*

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 03:51 PM
Imagine the Uproar if Haytham's VA is replaced?

















Prepare for the Storm. :(

Legendz54
08-13-2014, 03:51 PM
Yeah I was surprised he didn't talk at all...maybe they are hiding the fact his actor was replaced. ;)

Will Haytham be on the ship permanently? That would be strange, I imagine he has stuff to do...

If he is on Shay's ship clearly it wont be just a " hello and goodbye" thing, Haytham will be in a good chunk of the game.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 03:53 PM
Imagine the Uproar if Haytham's VA is replaced?

















Prepare for the Storm. :(

http://www.travelfreak.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/hercules-hades-gif.gif

No way Ubi would replace Adrian. He's too awesome.

SpiritOfNevaeh
08-13-2014, 03:54 PM
Haytham's VA better not be replaced.

It's bad enough they haven't gotten Connor his proper sequel yet, but this we the fans will not tolerate this! O_O;;

Shahkulu101
08-13-2014, 03:54 PM
If it isn't Adrian Hough, it could only possibly be because he was too busy to do the work for Haytham. No way they'd outright replace him.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves though, we're only being pessimists and speculating the worst!

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 03:56 PM
He did say he was too busy to go to a convention on twitter...

...

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/20200000/The-Dean-Winchester-Single-Tear-in-When-The-Levee-Breaks-supernatural-20261995-510-260.gif

pls reply to my tweet adrian. we all know you're in the game. just....please...

Legendz54
08-13-2014, 03:57 PM
If his voice is changed its not Haytham.. Alright... Its a baboon in a tricorn hat..

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 03:58 PM
yeah I think it is adrian, but on the off chance it is not, I refuse to buy the game.

I love Adrian too much to just...submit to a replacement. :mad:

Shahkulu101
08-13-2014, 03:59 PM
He will not be referred to as Haytham...

His taco hat will be an empty shell.

Wolfmeister1010
08-13-2014, 03:59 PM
Naval demo:

Hm..So basically it is a complete copy paste of AC4..from the UI, to the HUD, to harpooning, to animations, to the mechanics, to finding the same endgame armor the SAME EXACT TEMPLAR KEY WAY to…EVERYTHING. Not necessarily a bad thing. I mean they had to shove something into the last gen hands.

Naval looks exactly the same. Iceberg crap and new weapons don’t excite me at all.

Yay Haytham! I look forward to seeing Ade, and Achilles as well!

The music in that frozen wreck was fantastic..reminded me a Jesper.

Land Demo:

STALKERS!! Actually an exciting thing. I love how it blends the MP UI. I wish Unity had stalkers..

Of all the ridiculous weapons in AC..I have never seen a weapon so ridiculous, OP, and unrealistic as the air rifle.

I like the enemy air assassinations. Pretty cool, although is weird that it isn’t an insta kill.


Holy crap.. not only are the sword animations the same as AC4..but they also retain the god damned audio glitches as well…


Looks like you can do counters against bullets and tackling, while running. Pretty awesome.

joelsantos24
08-13-2014, 04:00 PM
It hasn't been improved at all though apart from new naval weapons and a new gun... I mean the combat animations are the same! That is just pure laziness..
Exactly.

This is precisely the reason for my disappointment and my criticism of the game. Why bother releasing a new AC game on last generation, if there is absolutely no development/evolution at all? Ok, so they took AC4 and changed the characters and story. Big deal. This is Ubisoft saying out loud: "shut the **** up, and give us your money!"

ze_topazio
08-13-2014, 04:01 PM
I knew it but i was still a bit surprised with all the recycled stuff including icons and menus, the ice and scenarios looks cool though.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 04:03 PM
WE ARENT ASKING THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION GUYS!!!!

...

Does Shay have his own unique walking animation?

SpiritOfNevaeh
08-13-2014, 04:06 PM
WE ARENT ASKING THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION GUYS!!!!

...

Does Shay have his own unique walking animation?

Doubt it since everything looks recycled. But would be nice if he did.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 04:07 PM
Someone do an in-depth analysis making sure.

This is very important.

ze_topazio
08-13-2014, 04:09 PM
This looks so similar to what we got in the past two years, including Liberation and Freedom Cry I kind of wish they had used the Holy land, Italy or Constantinople again instead.

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 04:10 PM
Haytham's VA better not be replaced.

It's bad enough they haven't gotten Connor his proper sequel yet, but this we the fans will not tolerate this! O_O;;

In time Humble....In Time. But yeah, I'd be disappointed if Haytham's VA is changed. :(

joelsantos24
08-13-2014, 04:10 PM
I knew it but i was still a bit surprised with all the recycled stuff including icons and menus, the ice and scenarios looks cool though.
Negatively speaking, that surprised me even more. They didn't even bother to change the menus and displays. What a degradation.

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 04:13 PM
This looks so similar to what we got in the past two years, including Liberation and Freedom Cry I kind of wish they had used the Holy land, Italy or Constantinople again instead.

Nah.....that'll take more time and money.....something they don't have due to Unity. Though I'm not disagreeing with you though.

Shahkulu101
08-13-2014, 04:15 PM
Yeah I mean change the HUD and UI at least man...it sounds weird but to me the aesthetic value of the menus and displays does a lot to contribute to the feel of the game.

I guess they admitted there was no point because the games are so similar anyway.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 04:17 PM
Still in the hospital recovering from that Haytham attack.

http://rs1076.pbsrc.com/albums/w457/connienator27/faint.gif~c200

Even when expecting it...I just...

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 04:17 PM
WE ARENT ASKING THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION GUYS!!!!

...

Does Shay have his own unique walking animation?

Meh.......he almost walks like Connor to me.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 04:18 PM
Nah

Connor walks like his neck is broken and tilted off to the side.

marvelfannumber
08-13-2014, 04:20 PM
Nah

Connor walks like his neck is broken and tilted off to the side.

I walk like Connor irl and my neck isn't broken.....I think.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 04:20 PM
well you have bad posture

*smacks hand with ruler*

But srsly GUIZE Who is this COWBOY-ESQUE BLOKE standin' to the right of Shay?

THE_JOKE_KING33
08-13-2014, 04:22 PM
I don't really mind a reskinned Black Flag since, to me, BF was far and away the funnest one to play of the entire series. I just wish Shay had his own unique kill animations.

lothario-da-be
08-13-2014, 04:23 PM
what bothers me the most is that ALL the HUD is still the same, at least make me feel like I am playing something new. This game just feels so lazy it has probably been in development for less then a year.

marvelfannumber
08-13-2014, 04:24 PM
But srsly GUIZE Who is this COWBOY-ESQUE BLOKE standin' to the right of Shay?

A reskinned Adewale since they didn't have the time to remove him.

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 04:25 PM
@Mayrice.

Connor walks like that for a reason.....because he's cautious of everything around him, especially since he's an outsider..

But on a side note, I LOVE how Altair walks:
http://media.tumblr.com/b043804ee48e983bbb4a2e6fa108d535/tumblr_inline_n9nj70fbGm1r8k7l4.gif

Probably because I walk like that.....but yeah, Shay and Connor are similar to me at least.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 04:27 PM
I hope dat Cowboy-lookin' guy is forshadow to a new Cowboy AC coming up in 3-4 years :rolleyes:

@namikaze

i thought he walked more like edward

but I'd need to see side-by-side comparisons

AherasSTRG
08-13-2014, 04:30 PM
what bothers me the most is that ALL the HUD is still the same, at least make me feel like I am playing something new. This game just feels so lazy it has probably been in development for less then a year.

If it ain't broken, don't fix it. Why would they spend an afternoon's work to change the HUD?

Toa TAK
08-13-2014, 04:30 PM
The cowboy guy was the most interesting part of the past two walkthroughs. Was hoping for a cinematic or another trailer, too. But hey, it's what I expected and I'm still going to purchase it.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 04:31 PM
Is this the first time AC used the exact same hud?

Didnt the ezio trilogy have the same hud?

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 04:32 PM
@Mayrice.

Could'nt find anything for Edward.......

But I did find this: http://static.tumblr.com/039f2b14c85b27865235a76bfbefc2f3/4rhwxjk/QX4mif71f/tumblr_static_tumblr_mhpdeibfsz1qc1xe0o1_r1_500.gi f

aL_____eX
08-13-2014, 04:32 PM
@Mayrice: I believe it's the first time. Ezio's HUDs were always a bit different, especially in Revelations. That's the only thing I don't like about Rogue right now.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 04:33 PM
@namikaze

lolololol ok

@Daniela

oh. well they better do something about that. *shakes cane*

lothario-da-be
08-13-2014, 04:34 PM
If it ain't broken, don't fix it. Why would they spend an afternoon's work to change the HUD?
Every game has had a different HUD. Why would they change it? Because it is a new game maybe? Because they can maybe change something? Everything is recycled in this game. Sure the hud wasn't broken in ac4, but the HUD is like the easiest thing to change and even that is the same.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 04:36 PM
Too bad this game isnt coming to wii U.

I mean the hud is the same so porting it would be super easy. ( I imagine)

I guess Ubi didn't want to risk the manies.

#Istillwontbeabletoplayit

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 04:38 PM
I just noticed in that gameplay you can see MOFO Haytham just sitting there literally stretching his arms after the intense battle he didn't participate in.

Haytham gonna Haytham.

rodolMas
08-13-2014, 04:42 PM
Is this the first time AC used the exact same hud?

Didnt the ezio trilogy have the same hud?

The HUD's graphics are different. If you notice, the weapons indicator and Shay's icon are borken into pieces, like the Rogue Asassin logo. Also, there's no gold like Black Flag's, it's blue. Some other colors are also different.

Plus, remember the original AC3 demos? They had a completely different HUD from what was released. Maybe they will change further in the next months.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 04:43 PM
Alright Alright

I'll give Ubi the benefit of the doubt.

And welcome to the forums :o

pacmanate
08-13-2014, 04:46 PM
Lets see:

7 month dev time
Reused AC4 HuD - just "broke" it up so it looks shattered
Same moveset as Edward
Same animations as Edward, nothing added
Air Rifle = Blowpipe
Air Rifle = Bomb mechanic from Revelations, but for some reason needs to be shot cause Shay can't throw?
Ship stearing is tighter = made it easier for some reason
Framerate is all over the place but to be expected
Side mission objectives seem same as forts in AC4, worded different = Fort commander/Assassin Gang (or w/e they're called)

Just. Why. This is more of a cash grab than I thought. Before some smartass comes and says "what did you expect", i did not expect it to be THIS cheap

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 04:47 PM
I expected it. It's more of the same, essentially.

The story is what's emphasized. And that's what I'm most intruiged about.

RzaRecta357
08-13-2014, 04:48 PM
Yeah. Barely read this topic but came to mention the animations. I'm not to pissed about it. We know where the real resources went. But they didn't want to leave everyone in the dark. Seeing Haytham and the story as a Templar is luckily enough for me and many others and I'm sure they know that.

Soon as I read about the rifle like last week you knew it was just a reskin. But hey, COD gets away with that since like 2006... AC has done it a few times but not nearly as bad.

lothario-da-be
08-13-2014, 04:49 PM
Lets see:

7 month dev time
Reused AC4 HuD - just "broke" it up so it looks shattered
Same moveset as Edward
Same animations as Edward, nothing added
Air Rifle = Blowpipe
Air Rifle = Bomb mechanic from Revelations, but for some reason needs to be shot cause Shay can't throw?
Ship stearing is tighter = made it easier for some reason
Framerate is all over the place but to be expected
Side mission objectives seem same as forts in AC4, worded different = Fort commander/Assassin Gang (or w/e they're called)

Just. Why. This is more of a cash grab than I thought. Before some smartass comes and says "what did you expect", i did not expect it to be THIS cheap
100% this
I am not even pre-ordering this game. Unity will keep my occupied for at least 5 months. I will see if the game is good enough to buy it then already.

Aphex_Tim
08-13-2014, 04:50 PM
Boy, am I underwhelmed by all this. Nothing I've seen in these videos excites me. There seems to be only a very small amount of new additions and these even feel gimmicky to me. So now we don't have a swivel gun but a puckle gun. And we don't have fire barrels but burning oil. Whoopty-freakin'-doo! They still basically do the same thing.
The target Assassin was made to look like a complete dumb*ss and Shay like a complete f*ckin' tank! The Assassin basically air-assassinated Shay (who somehow survived), then shot him; TWICE, then shot powder barrels right next to Shay and he Still wasn't dead. Then when Shay does the air-assassination, the Assassin just stops in his tracks and waits for Shay to murder him.
There seem to be NO new combat animations, at all. It's all exactly the same as Edward's (which weren't that good to begin with). Come one, every AC game so far has had at least a couple of new animations. There's even still the out-of-sync audio on one of the animations! You'd think they'd fix that, right?
What bothers me the most, especially on the first video, is the commentary. He shows and explains everything we've already seen in Black Flag like they're amazing new features that we've never seen before.

Honestly, the only thing I'm interested in is the story, which in my opinion didn't even need a full game to begin with. If Ubi's gonne release two AC games in one year and one of 'em is an exact Black Flag clone, AC's reputation is going to take yet another hit.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 04:50 PM
I'd say I'll buy the game anyway.... but....

http://mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Dr.-Who.gif

no last gen console

#YnoWiiUorPC

pacmanate
08-13-2014, 04:50 PM
Also getting air assassinated by an assassin apparently doesnt kill you. Instead it does damage and the assassin runs away? Lol? So now the assassins are underpowered?

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 04:51 PM
I did think we should be auto-desynched if we get air assassinated.

Just offer a counter button to it.

lothario-da-be
08-13-2014, 04:51 PM
Yeah. Barely read this topic but came to mention the animations. I'm not to pissed about it. We know where the real resources went. But they didn't want to leave everyone in the dark. Seeing Haytham and the story as a Templar is luckily enough for me and many others and I'm sure they know that.

Soon as I read about the rifle like last week you knew it was just a reskin. But hey, COD gets away with that since like 2006... AC has done it a few times but not nearly as bad.
My brother plays cod, and I can tell you that they look more different then ac4 and ac rogue for sure. At least they change the HUD.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 04:54 PM
How to improve Rogue:

-desynch whenever air assassinated. Offer a counter button as an alternative
-change the HUD to make it more unique
-add more unique Shay animations
-whenever you turn off sea shanties, Haytham yells "SHUT UP!" (ok not an improvement but it would be hilarious, hue hue hue)
-have unique side missions not found in other AC games

SpiritOfNevaeh
08-13-2014, 04:54 PM
I have never preordered a game in my life.

I thought Unity or Rogue would change that. But alas, I never wanted to be so wrong. Until Ubisoft convinces me otherwise or in future games, I don't think I'll ever find the motivation to preorder a game.

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 04:55 PM
Also getting air assassinated by an assassin apparently doesnt kill you. Instead it does damage and the assassin runs away? Lol? So now the assassins are underpowered?

It Also makes Altair, Ezio, Connor, and Edward look overpowered then as well....like they're the ONLY assassins that could do ****.

Jexx21
08-13-2014, 04:55 PM
The gameplay reminds me of AC IV, but the atmosphere has AC III written all over it, for obvious reasons, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Dont expect much from this cash cow anyways.....

AC3 had the best atmosphere in the series though.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 04:56 PM
Ubisoft:So we have this new Assassin Hunter name Shay...

Me:OMG IS THAT HAYTHAM PEOPLE IT'S HAYTHAM!!!!!!!!!

Ubisoft:As I was saying, the new Assassin Hunter...

Me:HAYTHAM KENWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ubisoft:I came out to introduce this new character and I honestly feel so ignored

Me on the roof of the tallest building:HAYTHAM IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!

Hilarious tumblr post fitting the situation

RzaRecta357
08-13-2014, 04:56 PM
Haha yeah it was odd they even bothered with this. Just explaining it would of done enough. Can't believe they didn't change any animations though. Sort of like Aveline and Connor. A bit lazy.. They're two different people damnit!

I used to LOVE that they all walked like Altair. I'm sure the devs have seen me say this and maybe even finally changed it because of me. I loved that Desmond got Altairs walk from the bleeding effect. What was it really? The devs just being lazy and using the same skeleton and animation sets from previous games. I mention this every time a new AC comes out on the forum because I used to love how they had the same face but then they changed that... I understand why that changed although I miss the constant lip scar.

Been saying this here since AC2 and noticed they finally changed it with Connor... But not really... He still does the shoulders sometimes so you know they just edited it a bit to finally make people shut up.

My point being is it looks like Shay just got Edwards entire animations and skeleton right down to the walk. Here's hoping Arno is new and fresh at least.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 05:01 PM
I need to know the name of the cowboy guy. Like ....STAT

this is important.

I cant make shipping names without knowing the names Hnghhh

I want an introduction trailer for Rogue now

SlyTrooper
08-13-2014, 05:01 PM
You're all talking about it as if ACIV was terrible. Even I'll admit I was a little bit annoyed at first, but it really doesn't look bad at all. ACIV is my second favourite AC after AC2, so I will likely still enjoy it. Besides, maybe they've used the mission rating system for Rogue? They could have changed the objectives so that we no longer auto-fail when seen. Or at the very least they may have removed/cut down tailing missions.

Jexx21
08-13-2014, 05:03 PM
in the original AC4 demos, Edward re-used more of Connor's tomahawk animations than he does in the actual game.

This wouldn't be the first time that they re-use animations in demos.

Not to mention they re-used animations all through out AC1 through ACR.

Pac, where's the source on that alleged 7 months dev time.

RzaRecta357
08-13-2014, 05:03 PM
I need to know the name of the cowboy guy. Like ....STAT

this is important.

I cant make shipping names without knowing the names Hnghhh

I want an introduction trailer for Rogue now

For some reason I assumed he was the dude either Aveline killed or the one you get your blades from in ACIV

Sushiglutton
08-13-2014, 05:03 PM
I went from getting this game first, to waiting a year (because of no PC version). Now I don't think I will ever get it. Looks EXACTLY like BF except more annoying. I don't think I can respect myself if I reward this shameless cash-in. Not the templar game I was looking for.

lothario-da-be
08-13-2014, 05:05 PM
I went from getting this game first, to waiting a year (because of no PC version). Now I don't think I will ever get it. Looks EXACTLY like BF except more annoying. I don't think I can respect myself if I reward this shameless cash-in. Not the templar game I was looking for.
If you don't want to support them you can always buy it used though, if the game stays like this I am going to do that I think.

Jexx21
08-13-2014, 05:07 PM
what if they want Rogue to bomb so that they can say "game got poor reception and sales, a Templar game just isn't viable."

#conspiracy

Sushiglutton
08-13-2014, 05:07 PM
If you don't want to support them you can always buy it used though, if the game stays like this I am going to do that I think.


Nah I feel like it could harm my Blackflag memories. Will just skip it me thinks, just like I skipped Liberation.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 05:08 PM
lol i swear to god 99% of the Rogue reactions on tumblr are "HAYTHAM IS BACK HNGHHH"

And I am reblogging every single one of them :rolleyes:

@jexx

no

stop

stop that

don't talk like that

...

STAHP

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 05:08 PM
@Rza

I think they do that to not make things repetitive you know? With yearly releases, this is the case.....

lothario-da-be
08-13-2014, 05:09 PM
what if they want Rogue to bomb so that they can say "game got poor reception and sales, a Templar game just isn't viable."

#conspiracy
nah that's not possible. This being a templar game is their ONLY selling point.
#fail

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 05:11 PM
nah that's not possible. This being a templar game is their ONLY selling point.
#fail

I'm sorry. I couldn't hear you over the muffled sounds of my Haytham Body Pillow :rolleyes:

Jexx21
08-13-2014, 05:11 PM
Anyway, I'm still excited for Rogue. More Black Flag but with some cool new additions doesn't sound bad to me.

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 05:12 PM
@Jexx.

Pac's headcanon is the dev's Time.......

ModernWaffle
08-13-2014, 05:12 PM
I think the problem here is that whilst some of us expected reused features from Black Flag, we didn't expect it to go this far. Obviously the more they reuse, the less time is spent on developing Rogue and hence each subsequent sale of the game gets them more profit. This is understandable as they are a business first, but I think they drew the line a bit too far this time and that's why a number of people are disappointed (and what may have suprised a number of people inc. myself).

I think less disappointment was present with Brotherhood and Revelations given a few differences in the circumstances:

-The Ezio trilogy had no change in protagonist and keeping the same layout (hud, animations etc.) for all three games felt more natural - and helped establish a consistent feel for the 'Ezio games' - as opposed to Rogue where we have a new protagonist
-Brotherhood and Revelations were the first two games to have multiplayer and hence were considered a bit more 'fresh' than Rogue (which has now taken out MP)
-ACB and ACR were released when the franchise was less noticed, but now our expectations for Ubisoft have grown considerably given the progression from AC3, BF, and now Unity, so we become more disappointed more easily

But to put a positive spin, I think our impressions on Rogue will improve slightly in time as in all honesty, I don't believe those gameplay trailers presented the game well:
-no show of storyline or character interactions which is what so many people are interested in
-some bland narration and poor playing imo (mainly the river valley walkthrough)
-not enough emphasis on the new features and too much focus on the old
-plus I assume the gameplay shown is not finalised at this point

Sushiglutton
08-13-2014, 05:12 PM
lol i swear to god 99% of the Rogue reactions on tumblr are "HAYTHAM IS BACK HNGHHH"


"There's a sucker borned every minute."

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 05:13 PM
I didn't like black flag much because of the story (OH CHRIST IM SO SORRY DARBY)

but this game looks like it has fun gameplay AND an investing narrative, so I'm hooked :o

@sushi

if I'm a sucker then call me the lollipop sucking champion :rolleyes:

Jexx21
08-13-2014, 05:19 PM
Oh, yea, why did they get the "MAKE HISTORY, PRE-ORDER NOW" guy to do the narration here? What, the game director had too much of an accent for us?

ze_topazio
08-13-2014, 05:25 PM
Even that menu with the location info is the same and the way to open the chests, they could have stole different animations from different games to look less like a AC4 reskinned.


It's just me or whatever was playing the demos sucked at it? or maybe they were trying to show the things our targets can do.

ze_topazio
08-13-2014, 05:27 PM
Oh, yea, why did they get the "MAKE HISTORY, PRE-ORDER NOW" guy to do the narration here? What, the game director had too much of an accent for us?

The narrator of the naval sounded hilarious to me, he sounded like "I'm awesome and I'm presenting you the most awesome game ever"

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 05:31 PM
The narrator of the naval sounded hilarious to me, he sounded like "I'm awesome and I'm presenting you the most awesome game ever"

Tell me about it.......he sounded like an amateur that was given a speech to say.

Ubi: "Say these lines to persuade the players."
Guy: "OKAY!"

Jexx21
08-13-2014, 05:33 PM
I do think that they should lower the price of the game to $50 or $40.

That'll probably end up being what the Rogue Remastered edition will cost anyway. LIberation debuted on Vita for $40, but when it came to consoles and PC it was $20. TLoU Remastered was $50... so.. yea I'm gonna take a guess and say that Rogue HD/Remastered will either be $50 or $40 on next-gen/PC.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 05:38 PM
Having Rogue for 39.99 would be nice.

AherasSTRG
08-13-2014, 05:40 PM
That'll probably end up being what the Rogue Remastered edition will cost anyway. LIberation debuted on Vita for $40, but when it came to consoles and PC it was $20. TLoU Remastered was $50... so.. yea I'm gonna take a guess and say that Rogue HD/Remastered will either be $50 or $40 on next-gen/PC.

The fact that people are even talking about the price of the PC version really brings my hopes up that I will get to play Rogue soon. :o

ze_topazio
08-13-2014, 05:41 PM
20 Euros would be the ideal.

AherasSTRG
08-13-2014, 05:48 PM
20 Euros would be the ideal.

I think 20 euros is a bit too low. After all, Liberation's cost was at 20 euros initially. I 'd say something like 40 and 35 for the owners of the Unity Season Pass.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 05:48 PM
Does Rogue even have a season pass?

SlyTrooper
08-13-2014, 05:50 PM
Anyway, I'm still excited for Rogue. More Black Flag but with some cool new additions doesn't sound bad to me.

I like you, Jex. You're always so optimistic :)

Jexx21
08-13-2014, 05:51 PM
20 Euros would be the ideal.
how much is that in america dolla

SlyTrooper
08-13-2014, 05:51 PM
Does Rogue even have a season pass?

Good question. We know that Unity will end up with DLC, but what about Rogue?

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 05:52 PM
If Rogue doesn't have DLC akin to ToWK or Freedom Cry....:(


QUICK SOMEONE CHECK IF A SEASON PASS IS AVAILABLE

harsab
08-13-2014, 05:52 PM
Does anyone know if Rogue will have Present Day?

AherasSTRG
08-13-2014, 05:54 PM
how much is that in america dolla

Around 25.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 05:59 PM
Rogue will probably have more of a present day than Unity TBH

it'll probably be like ACIV's while Unity's is more interface-esque

BUT WE MUST KNOW OF THE SEASON PASS HNGHH

RzaRecta357
08-13-2014, 06:02 PM
The fact that people are even talking about the price of the PC version really brings my hopes up that I will get to play Rogue soon. :o

Don't think for a SECOND that it won't come to PC or next gen consoles. It's 100% for PC at least. They haven't missed one to date.

harsab
08-13-2014, 06:03 PM
Rogue will probably have more of a present day than Unity TBH

it'll probably be like ACIV's while Unity's is more interface-esque

BUT WE MUST KNOW OF THE SEASON PASS HNGHH

Tbh i don't think Rogue will have Present Day like Liberation.

joelsantos24
08-13-2014, 06:03 PM
How to improve Rogue:

-desynch whenever air assassinated. Offer a counter button as an alternative
-change the HUD to make it more unique
-add more unique Shay animations
-whenever you turn off sea shanties, Haytham yells "SHUT UP!" (ok not an improvement but it would be hilarious, hue hue hue)
-have unique side missions not found in other AC games
How about not releasing Rogue, at all? Ubisoft, get on the humility path, take the financial hit, but keep your dignity (or what's left of it, anyway).


I went from getting this game first, to waiting a year (because of no PC version). Now I don't think I will ever get it. Looks EXACTLY like BF except more annoying. I don't think I can respect myself if I reward this shameless cash-in. Not the templar game I was looking for.
I agree. The problem is, I already pre-ordered it last week. I feel so ripped-off, but being the hardcore AC fan that I am, I could never respect myself if I didn't buy it now and play it. :mad:

rodolMas
08-13-2014, 06:05 PM
Even that menu with the location info is the same and the way to open the chests, they could have stole different animations from different games to look less like a AC4 reskinned.


It's just me or whatever was playing the demos sucked at it? or maybe they were trying to show the things our targets can do.

Yeah, it was weird. Sometimes it looked like he didn't know where to go. I suspect that these demos where hastily put together. Maybe Rogue was supposed to be announced in September, but it leaked early, so they tried to put some demos together for Gamescom?

Let's just hope they improve on the animations in the coming months. And especially Edward's dual sword animations, as those look pretty damn bad with Shay's sword and knife. In some of those animations, the knife is just suspended in the air.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 06:07 PM
@joel

I'd rather have Rogue than not at all.

It's a templar game that has Haytham. Its a ship sailing game but with what looks to be an interesting narrative (IMO. I personally didn't like BF's narrative). It's exactly what I've asked for.

It's a check mark off the list right next to
-connor sequel
-AC fighting game
-AC game with all the Desmond ancestors in modern day beating up juno because rainbows and sunshine and #feels

@harsab

either way I'm looking forward to the game

bitebug2003
08-13-2014, 06:08 PM
Good question. We know that Unity will end up with DLC, but what about Rogue?

Rogue will have DLC (The Collector's Edition comes with DLC)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y153/Bitebug2003/assassins-creed-rogue-collectors-edition-banner-artwork-640x325_zps5c688492.jpg

If it's anything like Freedom Cry is anyone's guess but this is Ubisoft - they love DLC for their games

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 06:10 PM
I don't think they'd bundle 15$ worth DLC into the initial collectors edition.

especially without a trailer of the DLC

#iguessnoLongDLCfornow

AherasSTRG
08-13-2014, 06:11 PM
Rogue will have DLC (The Collector's Edition comes with DLC)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y153/Bitebug2003/assassins-creed-rogue-collectors-edition-banner-artwork-640x325_zps5c688492.jpg

If it's anything like Freedom Cry is anyone's guess but this is Ubisoft - they love DLC for their games

He was mostly reffering to extended DLC campaigns, like Freedom Cry and Tyranny of King Washington.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 06:13 PM
oh well.

2 AC games is a lot already.

2 long DLCs might be asking for too much

but who knows

Jexx21
08-13-2014, 06:14 PM
Rogue will probably have more of a present day than Unity TBH

it'll probably be like ACIV's while Unity's is more interface-esque

BUT WE MUST KNOW OF THE SEASON PASS HNGHH

Nah, Rogue may not even have a present day. It wouldn't surprise me if it's like Liberation and it's an Abstergo Entertainment game.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 06:15 PM
@jexx

you're probably right

still, no Haytham or Connor DLC *sigh*

AherasSTRG
08-13-2014, 06:18 PM
I don't care about modern day for Rogue. In fact the only thing I want, but haven't seen yet is a Hooded in-game outfit (as I mentioned above). That's all. Apart from that, I 'm already sold.

phoenix-force411
08-13-2014, 06:18 PM
Still getting it, but it's basically a cut and paste job with other features. They should have put it in new animations, 'cause Edward's actions are boring and they're pretty unstable. ACIII felt more stable than ACIV and it had more and better animations. Why no just use Connor's animations? Anyways, I hope we can wield one sword again, 'cause the double sword animations are boring and they take too long.

There's already a lot of butthurt and rage about Rogue, and seeing that it almost entirely ACIV doesn't really help.

bitebug2003
08-13-2014, 06:19 PM
He was mostly reffering to extended DLC campaigns, like Freedom Cry and Tyranny of King Washington.

It's possible -- never say never with Ubisoft.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 06:19 PM
Will there be legacy outfits I wonder?

And if there is, will they be assassin outfits or templar outfits like Haytham's? :rolleyes:

overdidd
08-13-2014, 06:22 PM
Anybody know which composer is working on AC: Rogue? Would be crazy if it is Kyd :P

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 06:23 PM
@Mayrice.

Perhaps......I would love a Robert de sable or Haytham Legacy outfits.

rodolMas
08-13-2014, 06:24 PM
Still getting it, but it's basically a cut and paste job with other features. They should have put it in new animations, 'cause Edward's actions are boring and they're pretty unstable. ACIII felt more stable than ACIV and it had more and better animations. Why no just use Connor's animations? Anyways, I hope we can wield one sword again, 'cause the double sword animations are boring and they take too long.

There's already a lot of butthurt and rage about Rogue, and seeing that it almost entirely ACIV doesn't really help.

The YouTube comments are especially atrocious. I don't mind criticism, but most of them are just insults with no productive commentary.

Yeah, AC4's animations needed some work, it didn't really feel that cohesive. What especially lacked in animations was combat. I hope they improved on it in Rogue, and since they are using AC4's assets, it's the perfect opportunity to polish the AC4 gameplay and really master it.

I wonder what those navigation changes that the narrator talked about in the demo are.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 06:24 PM
@namikaze

OH GOD ROBERT DE SABLE COSTUME WOULD BE AWESOME HNGHH

as long as the costume has good physics and isn't sticky like Altair's in AC3


Anybody know which composer is working on AC: Rogue? Would be crazy if it is Kyd :P

this statement rustled my jimmies

@rodo

ignore youtube and IGN comments.

They're full of ignorants

AherasSTRG
08-13-2014, 06:26 PM
The YouTube comments are especially atrocious. I don't mind criticism, but most of them are just insults with no productive commentary.

Yeah, AC4's animations needed some work, it didn't really feel that cohesive. What especially lacked in animations was combat. I hope they improved on it in Rogue, and since they are using AC4's assets, it's the perfect opportunity to polish the AC4 gameplay and really master it.

I wonder what those navigation changes that the narrator talked about in the demo are.

They were atrocious back when AC4 was announced too. But what happened in the end? Action Game of the Year 2013 Award.

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 06:26 PM
Anybody know which composer is working on AC: Rogue? Would be crazy if it is Kyd :P

I heard somewhere that it was Brian Tyler again......

No way Kyd could score this game, and not Unity.

rodolMas
08-13-2014, 06:28 PM
They were atrocious back when AC4 was announced too. But what happened in the end? Action Game of the Year 2013 Award.

I still remember when AC4 was announced, and people were calling it an AC3 reskin. Exactly what's happening with Rogue right now.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 06:29 PM
Bryan Tyler?

Can you post some of his more notable tracks? I don't remember what songs he did

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 06:30 PM
@Mayrice.

It'd be a Dream come True.....

@Rodo

Yeah, ignore those commentators.......they know NOTHING outside their little bubble.

AherasSTRG
08-13-2014, 06:31 PM
I still remember when AC4 was announced, and people were calling it an AC3 reskin. Exactly what's happening with Rogue right now.

Exactly. Rogue is obviously much of a reskin, but the comments are just too hateful.

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 06:33 PM
@Mayrice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRxjCjU_foM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8YJDZ3fTT0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRcYw3J0AyM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 06:34 PM
Exactly. Rogue is obviously much of a reskin, but the comments are just too hateful.


That's just why I avoid Comments honestly........I always come out mad and frustrated after reading.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 06:36 PM
@namikaze

he did the ACIV music?

hnghhh the music was my least fav part of ACIV....

but hey maybe he'll surprise me

rodolMas
08-13-2014, 06:38 PM
That's just why I avoid Comments honestly........I always come out mad and frustrated after reading.

Some of the comments are extremely hateful and rage inducing, but several are quite laughable. There's some people on YT who are legitimately upset that Shay is a Templar, saying Ubisoft has messed up the franchise because they've decided to have a Templar protagonist. It's hilarious and sad at the same time.

overdidd
08-13-2014, 06:40 PM
@namikaze

he did the ACIV music?

hnghhh the music was my least fav part of ACIV....

but hey maybe he'll surprise me

There are some great tracks in the ACIV OST, but it isn't the best of all AC's soundtracks.

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 06:41 PM
As the living embodiment of tumblr, I'm just happy to see Haytham back.

https://38.media.tumblr.com/3e8cb1f96081fc17d97ae18193cd7a4f/tumblr_na9ac68Oyx1rxua7yo1_500.gif

hnnghh yes

overdidd
08-13-2014, 06:42 PM
Some of the comments are extremely hateful and rage inducing, but several are quite laughable. There's some people on YT who are legitimately upset that Shay is a Templar, saying Ubisoft has messed up the franchise because they've decided to have a Templar protagonist. It's hilarious and sad at the same time.

Yea indeed! Why a templar, wouldn't it be Templar's Creed then? This is ridiculous, I thought templars were the baddies! And we kill assassin's now? WTF 0/10 *this is obviously a sarcastic post*

Jexx21
08-13-2014, 06:43 PM
Bryan Tyler?

Can you post some of his more notable tracks? I don't remember what songs he did

Black Flag soundtrack...

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 06:44 PM
@Mayrice.

Yeah, I prefer Jesper and Balfe really......but I liked a few of his tracks. At least it matched with the setting, character, and story.

@Rod

Never mind them mate. They're too busy hating and loving on the wrong things. Plus, WELCOME TO THE FORUMS! :)

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 06:44 PM
this game shouldn't sound as pirate-y tho.

So I'm curious as to how his non-pirate-y songs will sound like.

ACfan443
08-13-2014, 06:44 PM
Anybody know which composer is working on AC: Rogue? Would be crazy if it is Kyd :P

At this point, Kyd scoring Rogue would be the only thing that could possibly tempt me to invest in their cash grabbing ways. I would kill to hear to his music in AC again.

GunnerGalactico
08-13-2014, 06:45 PM
@Mayrice.

Yeah, I prefer Jesper and Balfe really......but I liked a few of his tracks. At least it matched with the setting, character, and story.

I also liked some of Brian Tyler's tracks

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 06:46 PM
At this point, Kyd scoring Rogue would be the only thing that could possibly tempt me to invest in their cash grabbing ways. I would kill to hear to his music in AC again.

Dedicating yourself to a composer SMH

Jexx21
08-13-2014, 06:48 PM
I must be one of the only people who doesn't feel like this game is a cash grab.

You know what is a cash grab? The countless sport games that re-release year after year. Any fighting games that don't have a story

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 06:50 PM
this game shouldn't sound as pirate-y tho.

So I'm curious as to how his non-pirate-y songs will sound like.

I doubt it will.......that song at the Iceberg sounded alright.

Hopefully this Track has a more dark ominous tone but uplifting to represent the Templars. :)

Stealth Gamer92
08-13-2014, 06:50 PM
I must be one of the only people who doesn't feel like this game is a cash grab.

You know what is a cash grab? The countless sport games that re-release year after year. Any fighting games that don't have a story

Not the only one.

ze_topazio
08-13-2014, 06:51 PM
I must be one of the only people who doesn't feel like this game is a cash grab.

You know what is a cash grab? The countless sport games that re-release year after year. Any fighting games that don't have a story

Since when did stories became the most important part of a VIDEOGAME?

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 06:53 PM
I must be one of the only people who doesn't feel like this game is a cash grab.

You know what is a cash grab? The countless sport games that re-release year after year. Any fighting games that don't have a story


It's not so much cash-grab, just them trying to scam us like Eddy from Ed Edd n' Eddy is false advertisement.

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 06:55 PM
Since when did stories became the most important part of a VIDEOGAME?

I don't know can you name a few games that have no story whatsoever, but is wildly popular?

ZakMc.
08-13-2014, 06:59 PM
I don't know can you name a few games that have no story whatsoever, but is wildly popular?

The Sims ?

marvelfannumber
08-13-2014, 07:00 PM
I don't know can you name a few games that have no story whatsoever, but is wildly popular?

Minecraft, Pac-Man, Pong and Smash Bros (excluding Brawl)?

Stealth Gamer92
08-13-2014, 07:02 PM
Two questions, this might not get manny responses but here goes.

First, what are your opinion's on The Morrigan? I think it is a cool ship for an assassin hunter, fast and manuverable.

Second, do you think it will be as tough as The Jackdaw with it's(The Morrigan's) steel armor?

ze_topazio
08-13-2014, 07:02 PM
Gran Turismo, Forza, Colin Mcrae, every other popular racing game, Fifa, Pes, the other sports games, does anyone actually care about the story of the Mario games and other platform games?

JustPlainQuirky
08-13-2014, 07:03 PM
Made a Haytham Appreciation thread for the occasion :rolleyes:

Stealth Gamer92
08-13-2014, 07:03 PM
I don't know can you name a few games that have no story whatsoever, but is wildly popular?

Battleship, and Risk!

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 07:04 PM
Fine!

Only Sims and Smash bros count.......

Not Minecraft, pac-man, or pong.

Those are basic: "use your imagination" or "Get the highest score" type of games.

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 07:06 PM
@Ze.

Yeah, I can't deny Gran Turismo.......awesome game!

Need for Speed was great too......

rodolMas
08-13-2014, 07:06 PM
Never mind them mate. They're too busy hating and loving on the wrong things. Plus, WELCOME TO THE FORUMS! :)

Thanks a lot.


Yea indeed! Why a templar, wouldn't it be Templar's Creed then? This is ridiculous, I thought templars were the baddies! And we kill assassin's now? WTF 0/10 *this is obviously a sarcastic post*

That's basically every post in the ACR gameplay videos. Sometimes I wonder if people are joking, because no one can be that stupid. But no, apparently some of these people are completely sincere. God help us all.

BoBwUzHeRe1138
08-13-2014, 07:07 PM
Interesting but because of my disinterest with 1700's America/Naval AND with Unity on the horizon as well… pass.

It's neat for the people who love Haytham and liked AC3 though. I wonder if there will be any Connor appearances. If so, it's still not the Connor sequel some wanted

ACfan443
08-13-2014, 07:11 PM
Dedicating yourself to a composer SMH

I'm not 'dedicated' to a composer. I just happen to find Kyd's style the most fitting with Assassin's Creed, since he was the one who established the signature sound of the franchise and played a major role in setting the tone of the games. I wouldn't want him to compose for every gaming franchise to exist ever, though.

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 07:14 PM
@BOB

Well what we 'Connor Fans' hope for is an ending of some sort.

DLC, BOOK, COMIC, INITIATES, HELL, AN ANNOUNCEMENT WOULD BE GREAT. :)

GunnerGalactico
08-13-2014, 07:16 PM
@BOB

Well what we 'Connor Fans' hope for is an ending of some sort.

DLC, BOOK, COMIC, INITIATES, HELL, AN ANNOUNCEMENT WOULD BE GREAT. :)

I'm hoping for a DLC or Sequel. :p

Namikaze_17
08-13-2014, 07:18 PM
Anyone like Audiomachine? Their song: "The Truth" plus this video would've been perfect for an ending in AC3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5KeBW-nTn8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

MaceoniK
08-13-2014, 07:22 PM
The problem I have with Rouge after watching these gameplay videos, is all the reused animations, this is what really makes it feel like Black Flag "re-skinned".
How are you supposed to feel like your controlling a new character when he does everything exactly the same as Edward (except run and walk), even the way Shay holsters his rifle seems to be taken from the blowpipe animation, and doesn't look right at all.
You can forgive Freedom Cry for using the same move-sets as Black Flag, as it was initially just DLC, but even that had unique moves for the machete and blunderbuss, I'm sure there will be a few unique moves that Shay can perform, but from what was shown in these videos, it's not enough to constitute an entirely new game, maybe it should of been sold as a massive DLC pack for Black Flag.

Hopefully they have addressed some of the issues I had with Black Flag, like how you couldn't sheath just one sword or axe, throw smoke bombs, switch shoulder view in free aim mode, pick up sleeping guards, and brute guards constantly throwing grenades, (there are many more, but I'd have to go into detail to explain them). At least this would make it slightly better to play than Black Flag.

Jexx21
08-13-2014, 07:29 PM
Black Flag's gameplay demo's had Edward using a lot of Connor's tomahawk animations for the swords, and while in the actual game he still reuses some, he uses unique ones too.

Also what about the fact that Ezio uses a lot of Altairs animations from AC1 to AC2...

Ignacio_796
08-13-2014, 07:40 PM
The worst part for me is that this game is announced as the end of the Kenway saga, in which we don't control a Kenway (maybe Shay is a distant cousin of Haytham XD). So the last entry for the Kenway plot and the conclusion to this saga is a recycle and dissapointing secondary game. Does that mean that we are not gonna see a Kenway again?(poor Connor). Why the last game of each trilogy (Ezio's Trilogy and Kenway saga), has to be so poor developed and dissapointing? (Revelations and Rogue)... ;(