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CAP401
02-22-2004, 09:47 PM
I was just wondering: What does this community think of our jetsim cousin? I'm just looking for feedback that's all. No flame wars. Just curious about the thoughts of it here.

CAP401
02-22-2004, 09:47 PM
I was just wondering: What does this community think of our jetsim cousin? I'm just looking for feedback that's all. No flame wars. Just curious about the thoughts of it here.

CAP401
02-22-2004, 09:49 PM
The title is wrong. It should be "Should I buy lomac". But that's not really th right title for this thread. My bad.

Slammin_
02-22-2004, 09:57 PM
Yes, you should. I bought it when it first came out and play it more than FB actually. I'll always play IL-2/FB/Aces but I really enjoy Lomac right now too.

Right now, the only games on my HD are FB, Lomac, Mech Warrior Mercs, Faclon4-BMS, FS 2004 and Nascar 2003. Plenty enough to steal more time than I really have available.

The only games I play on a regular basis are Lomac and FB though. The others will still remain on my HD for some time I'm sure.

BlackHawkLeader
02-22-2004, 11:22 PM
Got to agree with Slammin on that one, IL-2FB is the best prop Sim out there.
Lomac is set in a different time period, but worth every cent you spend on buying it.

These two Sims are MUST HAVES in your collection.

Hunde_3.JG51
02-22-2004, 11:27 PM
I thought LOMAC was horrible, one of the most disappointing games I ever bought/played. I wanted the game to be good so badly that I kept trying to make myself like it but I just couldn't. After trying it for 10 days straight me and my brother both brought it back (he was disappointed as well). I'm sure others like it but I thought it was brutal. Just my opinion though. Try it and return it if you don't like it.

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reload2000
02-22-2004, 11:43 PM
Should you but lomac? Hmmm... Good question!

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Alexi_Alx_Anova
02-23-2004, 12:58 AM
Warning, sticking LOMAC up your but could be hazardous to your health. Just say no.

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LEXX_Luthor
02-23-2004, 01:35 AM
With my new ATI~9200 I can now play Flaker 2.5 decently and I am getting back into that a littl bit. LOMAC, maybe later this year or early next year. I probably need a new CPU to do it justice. By that time it may be all Patched and ready to serve.


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BM357_Raven
02-23-2004, 02:47 AM
I flew it for roughly ten minutes.. But, if this is any hel---> When I first got FB, after 10 minutes of flying, I knew I was gonna like the game.. After 10 minutes of Lomac, I started thinking about this idea I had for a mission set for Forgotten Battles and subsequently forgot all about Lomac. I was immediately bored with it.

10 minutes is not enough time to build a qualitative oppinion...so, this opinion is not qualitative. It may be quantitative, only I am not sure how... So 'yes,' I vote buy it!

If you dont like it you can always display the box on the mantle to spruce up the dull overly-feminine decour of your living room.. Just tell your wife it's whimsical and you saw it on HGTV.. she'll love it. If not call Michael Payne; he makes house calls.

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LEXX_Luthor
02-23-2004, 02:52 AM
haha lol like with one girl and thinking about another...

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I flew it for roughly ten minutes.. But, if this is any hel[p]---&gt; When I first got FB, after 10 minutes of flying, I knew I was gonna like the game.. After 10 minutes of Lomac, I started thinking about this idea I had for a mission set for Forgotten Battles and subsequently forgot all about Lomac.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Flying LOMAC and thinking about the FB. Awsum!

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Willthisnamedo
02-23-2004, 04:24 AM
Interesting topic:

I bought it, really looking forward to it. The eye candy is great, the modelling excellent. But - and it's a big but for me - the multiplayer code (including with the first patch) is awful. It really suffers in comparison to this game's online stability. Aircraft warping like mad all over the shop, and nobody seems to have really tracked down the cause. (some discussion about nvidia cards, but it still happens). Ruined it for me, cos multiplayer is where the 'longevity' lies for me... HTH.

TgD Thunderbolt56
02-23-2004, 06:40 AM
I'm sure it's great in its own way. I bought it and ran through 6 or 7 of the training missions and just can't get excited about it.

I will leave it on my HD, but just don't see myself "mastering" it as I can't muster the enthusiasm required to learn the intricacies.

Time will tell.



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maxim26
02-23-2004, 06:55 AM
IF you like modern jets - buy it, you will not be disapomted. The only this is that you have to have good hardware. I run it on Radeon 9500 without problem even with resolution 1600x1200 and with 2x AA and 4x AF. But when i play compain i have to reduce resolution to get smooth gameplay.

Don't listen to the guys who says that this game suck. Most of them are whiners which failed to run the game on their GeForce 2 MX cards. This game has awsome graphics which demand a lot of computer power. Just be aware of it and before buying it download demo and try to run it on your system.

Online game is great too. It espatially with lables off when you have to use your radar right.

You are in the wrong place for asking advice about Lock On. Go to their forum and you will have any answers you need.

BaldieJr
02-23-2004, 07:09 AM
I'm a whiner with an AMD64 and I think LOMAC is exciting as a glass of luke-warm water.

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maxim26
02-23-2004, 07:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
I'm a whiner with an AMD64 and I think LOMAC is exciting as a glass of luke-warm water.

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Can you tell exactly what problems do you have with lomac. And AMD64 is not complete specification. The most importan peace of hardware is graph card. I have Athlon 1600+ wich cost like $200 dollars less than yours CPU and game runs smooth.

In I have a question to all frustrated with lomac guys. Why didn't you download demo firs to figure out is the game worth it or not? And dont tell me that after you installed full game the fps droped.

Im saying one more time that Lomac runs good without problems even on midle level computers. I didn't have problems not with demo not with pre-patch version. The issued like f-15 radar problem and nForce network chip compatability were solved with the first patch. Second patch is coming and it will make game even better.

Rajvosa
02-23-2004, 07:48 AM
You can but it. But it'll hurt!

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B16Enk
02-23-2004, 08:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rajvosa:
You can but it. But it'll hurt!
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kyrule2
02-23-2004, 08:41 AM
Maxim, I have a pretty good setup (9800Pro, AMD 2800+, Audigy2-ZS, 768RAM), running LOMAC wasn't the problem. And personally I think the graphics were fairly poor. The planes you fly look good but others look like a game from a few years back IMO and the vehicles look pretty plain/basic as well. Terrain at low altitude is just woeful. Up high the game looks great and the cockpits are very nice as well (I love the cockpit glass, hope BoB has something like this). I just found the game to be very buggy, lifeless (see: dull), sound was not very good (when it worked), and I was very disappointed with the product as a whole.

Still, I recommend those interested in jets to check it out and return it if they don't like it.

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BaldieJr
02-23-2004, 08:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by maxim26:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
I'm a whiner with an AMD64 and I think LOMAC is exciting as a glass of luke-warm water.

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Can you tell exactly what problems do you have with lomac. And AMD64 is not complete specification. The most importan peace of hardware is graph card. I have Athlon 1600+ wich cost like $200 dollars less than yours CPU and game runs smooth.

In I have a question to all frustrated with lomac guys. Why didn't you download demo firs to figure out is the game worth it or not? And dont tell me that after you installed full game the fps droped.

Im saying one more time that Lomac runs good without problems even on midle level computers. I didn't have problems not with demo not with pre-patch version. The issued like f-15 radar problem and nForce network chip compatability were solved with the first patch. Second patch is coming and it will make game even better.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't like the game. Don't blame my clearly superior hardware... I just don't like the game.

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JG7_Rall
02-23-2004, 08:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>IF you like modern jets - buy it, you will not be disapomted. The only this is that you have to have good hardware. I run it on Radeon 9500 without problem even with resolution 1600x1200 and with 2x AA and 4x AF. But when i play compain i have to reduce resolution to get smooth gameplay.

Don't listen to the guys who says that this game suck. Most of them are whiners which failed to run the game on their GeForce 2 MX cards. This game has awsome graphics which demand a lot of computer power. Just be aware of it and before buying it download demo and try to run it on your system.

Online game is great too. It espatially with lables off when you have to use your radar right.

You are in the wrong place for asking advice about Lock On. Go to their forum and you will have any answers you need.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Umm...where is this coming from? I don't recall seeing any "OMG LOMAC sucks dude just stick with FB" posts in this thread. All posts have been very objective without any flaming, and IMO, have been accurate. I bought LOMAC and really didn't like it, training was dull, A/C where really limited, and it just didn't grab my attention like FB had done for nearly a year. I've tried playing it 3 times (that's right, 3 re-installs after quitting it) and just can't force myself to get into it. I like jets too, but I guess FB is just for me. No other sim compares, just my opinion.

But, LOMAC of course does have it's good points. The graphics are unbelieveable, the ground terrain included. The A/C, while being limited, are so complex and so well developed that you could spend months learning just one plane. There are others too, but that is what I think are the strongest points of LOMAC. I think it's got a DCG but I never touched it.

BTW, here are my specs for a certain someone just wondering if I can't run LOMAC well...

P4 3.06 GHz processor
1 Gig DDR SD RAM @ PC3200
GeForce 4 FX 5600 256 MB card

I guess that's all that really matters as far as running the game goes....

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Weather_Man
02-23-2004, 08:49 AM
I bought it when it came out. I've got about 5 hours flight time in since then. Can't seem to get into it. I have spent a good deal of time making missions just to watch them battle it out and take screen shots. It is a very good looking game.

One thing that bothers me is I have yet to crash on landing or takeoff. That just doesn't seem right to me.

TooCooL34
02-23-2004, 09:33 AM
Lomac is good in flight sense and avionics implementation.
What it needs is busy combat environment and campaign. I don't dare to want dynamic campaign but at least it needs DCG-like semi-dynamic campaign or dramatic scripted campaign.
It's jet combat sim and there's no decent campaign? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I'm enjoying it like Flight Simulator. Take off, Sightseeing, and Landing. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



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Merlin_602Sqn
02-23-2004, 09:47 AM
I find it strange that two games developed by virtually the same people can look so different from eachother and still so similar...
Graphics look great even on my ****ty old athlon 1Ghz and radeon 8500, and that's on low settings!!! I think us fb-enthusiasts are a bit spoiled when it comes to multiplayer, and the reason we don't like mp on lomac is the way it works, it's different from fb, but still usable, and I haven't noticed the warping mentioned earlier. I connect at 28.8 settings as it's recommended by the techies over at lock-on tech support forum.
My advice buy the game or if your on broadband, download the demo and give it a shot.. it won't hurt to try.

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CAP401
02-23-2004, 11:42 AM
If you notice, I posted that the title was wrong. But the pic of the cream was FUNNY!!!

JimRockford
02-23-2004, 11:58 AM
I have it and it has great potential. Perhaps with the next patch it will be in better condition. Right now it has issues. I wouldn't buy it over IL2FB, but if you like flight sims you'll probably like it.

Mitlov47
02-23-2004, 12:08 PM
I played the LOMAC demo, and I hated it. And it has nothing to do with the graphics or the framerates. Good graphics do NOT necessarily correspond to good gameplay.

I don't know whether the problem is LOMAC specifically, or just that I can't get into jet flight sims because there's too many electronic doodads and not enough seat-of-the-pants flying. But it bored me like a good old I-16 vs BF-109 dogfight never will.

Lucius_Esox
02-23-2004, 12:51 PM
Hi,
I brought Lomac and have yet to run it properly yet as my os (win98se) has too many issues on my setup, but I am upgrading my os because of it.

A lot of people who like prop sims don't like jet sims, all down to the individual involved imo.

I don't agree that it's not seat of the pants stuff at all. The learning curve is a lot steeper than IL2/Fb, apart from maybe the gunnery.

When things like radar systems and terrain hugging to evade enemy one's are taken into account, plus the multitude of ways to die by other weapons, it becomes very seat of the pants to be succesfull (or it should be).

Do you like Call of Duty/Medal of honour, or Operation Flashpoint and Hidden and Dangerous?

Thats not really a correct analogy as IL2/Fb strives to be as realistic as sims like Lomac and F4, there is just less to do in a prop plane to be successfull imo http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WOODY01
02-23-2004, 01:45 PM
I waited for soooo long for LOMAC, while it was coming we played FB in some great coop missions, but I havent been back since LOMAC was reliesed, not because its no good-far from it, I just love jet sims, the complexity of the avionics and raw power of the jet engines, love it! As far as the net code goes, yes there are some issues, but most of its down to things like upload speed of the server vs too many ppl joining, when we dont exceed that, and all join at the same connection speed the sim is absolutly lag and warp free for us, Ive just upgraded from a 1.8 P4, and 1 gig of ram to a 3.06cpu and 2 gig of ram and the preformance increase is awsome (2 gig more for serveing than increaseing gameplay), basicly if you love jets youll probly like LOMAC...

Dash_C.
02-23-2004, 03:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Merlin_602Sqn:
I find it strange that two games developed by virtually the same people can look so different from eachother and still so similar...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

FB and LOMAC are developed by entirely different companies. Only the publishers are common to both.

To address the original poster's question, if your system is halfway decent and you like realistic jet sims, then go for it.

Comparing FB to LOMAC seems inevitable, especially on UBI forums. My impression of LOMAC is that to really enjoy the game, you must be willing to 'master' an aircraft, whereas in FB, planes are simpler and even spending a few minutes in a new plane can be enjoyable. Plus there's the whole quality vs quantity thing, which is just personal preference: FB offers many nicely modeled, but functionally much the same, aircraft. LOMAC offers a few highly detailed and highly complex aircraft.

Overall, FB appears to be a much more polished sim, but LOMAC, while a bit buggy, has a lot of potential.

AIRMIKEY
02-23-2004, 05:07 PM
I bought it when it first came out, but the Trackir support was totally fecked. So I ended up shelving it out of frustration. Finally they patched it, but I never could recapture that initial enthusiasm... If I were a software company I would be wary of rushing a title with the thought that I can just patch out the bugs, it was a pretty big letdown for me...

Nevertheless, I have given a couple more tries since, and I just can't get into jetsims I guess...I like the up close and personal aspects of dogfighting the prop planes for sure tho. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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maxim26
02-23-2004, 05:31 PM
Lomac is great sim. I enjoy both FB and lomac because i'm interested in aviation. Graphics in Lomac is in some aspects even better than in FB. There are no fake trees like in FB, there are big cities with traffic and lights in the windows.

You can experience carrier landing and take offs, airial refuelling. Wheather conditions modeled much better than in FB. Snow, raing, overcast clouds are just amaizing. You take off from the airfield with zero vizability with the rain and snow, penetrate the clouds and all you can see is shining sun nad fields of clounds.

Guys, who say that mordern warfare is boring are not right. They just not really interested in. You need to learn tactics, to know wich altitude to use (will go high, and your radar will work better, but you are good target too, go down - its more difficult to track you but radar is not thet efficient), you need to know wich weapons to use (heat seek or radar guided), and finaly you have to be good in classic dogfighting, when your enemy will avoid you missles and you will be cose enogh for the guns...

LEXX_Luthor
02-23-2004, 05:35 PM
haha yes BnZ in modern jets and if you miss the first time you are committed to TnB cos the modern missiles will get you on the extension. Anyway, that's not really correct Language cos with high thrust jets TnB and BnZ are the same thing just energy.

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CAP401
02-23-2004, 09:58 PM
Wow, I didn't think this thread would be this popular. This is awesome! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Rajvosa
02-24-2004, 01:34 AM
Is F-104 included? If so, I'll buy the LO(life)MAC!

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LEXX_Luthor
02-24-2004, 02:29 AM
I'll buy it if they Patch it with MiG~21. Crap planes Rule!


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Rajvosa
02-24-2004, 02:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
I'll buy it if they Patch it with MiG~21. Crap planes __R__ule__!__


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Zayets
02-24-2004, 03:00 AM
Then you guys must try SFP1 , has all these "crap" planes.Graphis are not that good but is OK.
For me Lomac did one good thing. Made me re-install F4. I'm now playing Rolling Fire at the 28th missions with 8 ejects , 12 AA kills , 34 AG kills and an Excellent pilot rating. I guess I should chang the level now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Yep ,F4 is much more complicated than Lomac but the immersion is unmatched yeet. Nor by IL2-FB nor by Lomac. Beside , dynamic campaign rocks! If you take in account the fact that SP4 went gold yesterday , seems to me that my LOMAC disk will stay longer on the shelf.I play it sometimes , when I want nice pics , other than that , nope. I run Lomac with min 30 fps , so I can play it very well. It just don't cut for me.
For the FB lovers , if you plan to buy Lomac , buy it with the FB gold. Ubi gives a great discount : 72 bucks for FB gold and Lomac. I wish I had this option when I've bought Lomac.Overall , Lomac is a ... pretty good sim , but far from what they advertises prior its launch. Try it , you will find nice stuffs as well.

PS: how about this on F4. War was raging next to the airfield where I was supposed to land.It was an incredible movement on the ground. Our vehicles were crossing the runway like trains http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. Tower told me to orbit several times until runway was clear.Mind you , not from incoming planes , but vehicles fighting. This is what I call immersion. And love it.F4 is far from being perfect.But is just ... the jet sim!

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B16Enk
02-24-2004, 03:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CAP401:
If you notice, I posted that the title was wrong. But the pic of the cream was FUNNY!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know, but I couldn't resist!

I keep thinking about getting Lomac myself so this thread is of interest http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Willthisnamedo
02-24-2004, 03:33 AM
Interesting stuff in here: I dunno, it just 'wasn't quite there' for me: but I'm monitoring future patches with interest.

The comments about SP4 are interesting, and actually reminded me of one of my problems with LOMAC. I remember some outstanding cockpits in F4 - truly beautiful addons. (but funnily enough I've never been able to get into that game because of the (to me) horrible looking ground textures - same as CFS series and MSFS: I hate their appearance)

LOMAC cockpits are good, but they're not outstanding. Even at the highest resolutions (up to 1600 x whatever, in my case), you can clearly see pixellation on some of the knobs/dials etc. And as an aside, the first patch definitely did not solve (completely) the on-line problems. I fully accept that it can be made to work by limiting access/numbers ect: but I just compare that to the simplicity and stability of the code in IL2FB, (turn up, join any game with reasonable ping, and have fun)and I get a little frustrated...

Bottom line: I think it is where F4 was when it first came out: obviously fantastic potential, but needs work before it is right up there.

And although they warned us all, remember that the eye-candy is a major league frame-rate killer. It will look superb and run sweetly on hardware that you don't need a mortgage for (!) by about the middle/end of this year, but until then I suspect that an honest response, even from those with screaming systems, is that they get a noticable slow down over the cities, or in a serious furball.

I've got both games on my HD, a system in the 'top third' performance wise (including minor speed gainers like a RAID 0 striped SATA array of .25 Terabytes, tweaked 9800 pro and a 2.6 Ghz Athlon on a DFI LAN party board with 1 Gb of fast memory, before anyone starts ranting) and 90% of my time is spent in prop a/c.

Sigh: I guess that absolute perfection must wait for BoB. Funnily enough, I feel that one area where LOMAC is ahead is on the 'incidentals' of the world. It's got buses, trains and the like all over the shop, sail boats in harbours, working cranes unloading cargo ships, and so on.

I really hope BoB has things like this. My only real complaint in FB is the sterility of the environment as a whole. I'd like things like tractors in fields, moving, and in particular some flocks of birds to avoid: how about crows in land, and seagulls at the coast? It would also benefit from smoking chimneys, tied to better weather effects (cross wind landings anyone?) As the SP4 post mentioned, it's that 'immersion' factor that now needs tweaking. Still, i'm wandering off topic here. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Rajvosa
02-24-2004, 07:34 AM
What's "SFP1"?


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LEXX_Luthor
02-24-2004, 07:55 AM
"SFP1" ---&gt; Strike Fighters Project ---&gt; http://www.thirdwire.com/projects.htm

They botched the releace though http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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well he'd be better than World Bank...I think http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif



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Zayets
02-24-2004, 08:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
They botched the releace though http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Check simhq.com. You will be amazed about the mods , new planes (including a harrier) , new cockpits (although noot so many) , the first functional HUD in SFP1 (A-7) and many others including new theaters and so on.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
I'm telling you, Oleg will one day Rule the WORLD.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is not Oleg the same guy who once said that there's only 5% from people buying a game are playing it online? Was a nice excuse not to deliver a decent mission editor and a reliable campaign engine. But that's history now.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
_well he'd be better than World Bank_...I think http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mysef I can rule the world better than WB. Just propose me for this position http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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DeerHunterUK
02-24-2004, 08:40 AM
The Harrier in SFP1 just rocks.It's a real Jack of all trades, can mix it up in a low speed dogfight and take on other faster aircraft.I've slightly altered my loadout though, I carry 2xAIM-9L's and 2xSkyflash missiles.
There's an excellent list of add-on aircraft for SFP1 that can be found here: http://www.sfmods.com/subpages/eric.html
Also in the works is another F-15, F-5, Hawker Hunter and Lightning Mk.6.

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AWL_Spinner
02-24-2004, 08:46 AM
You're intruiging me now with regard to SFP1.

Was never that fussed but now you're mentioning Cold War icons like the English Electric Lightning I may have to give it a go....

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DeerHunterUK
02-24-2004, 09:16 AM
I stumbled across the SFP1 board by accident, then I saw the game 2nd hand at my local Gamestation and thought "what the hell it's only 4!". http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
TBH I'm more interested in the Hunter than the Lightning. Don't get me wrong the Lightning is 1 of my all time favourite jets but I just think the Hunter will be more useful for me ingame.

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Speco
02-24-2004, 04:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Weather_Man:
One thing that bothers me is I have yet to crash on landing or takeoff. That just doesn't seem right to me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Compared to IL2:FB LOMAC has much more complex landing (take-off is pretty much same). Even with the HUD in landing mode (which gives you ALOT of help on your approach) I have dificulties with landing. While in FB with no help with rate of decent or gliding path I land realy easy.

I couldnt not notice that most of the "cons" were subjective in nature. People were mostly sayings things like "I couldnt get in to it" which doesnt necesary mean you wont. While most of the speciffic issues pointed out were fixed in the patch.

In termes of graphics there is no doubt that LOMAC is better than FB.

And multiplayer isn't as good as FB but you have to keep in mind that the game mechanics are much mor complex in LOMAC due to the difrence in the avionics of a modern combat aircraft in comparison to an ww2 one. That sucks up alot of bandwith hence the warping in MP.

Overall the game is very good with the tendency to get better with every new patch http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

BaldieJr
02-24-2004, 06:05 PM
Oh dear god.

Why can't we dislike LOMAC based on personal preference?

Does this have to be one of THOSE issues?

PS- Landings in LOMAC are bogus. Begone thruthless one.

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Dnmy
02-24-2004, 06:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CAP401:
I was just wondering: What does this community think of our jetsim cousin? I'm just looking for feedback that's all. No flame wars. Just curious about the thoughts of it here.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I bought it, but frankly that was a big mistake.
LOMAC is uninstalled and it's sitting on the shelf now.

Hunde_3.JG51
02-24-2004, 06:39 PM
Speco, I'm sorry but I completely disagree about the graphics in LOMAC being better than FB. The terrain at low altitudes in LOMAC is terrible, and the vehicles and non-flyable planes are very bland IMO. At high altitudes LOMAC is WAY better. In some ways FB is better, in some ways LOMAC is better, but overall I still think FB looks better than LOMAC. Just my opinion.

Btw, I plan on giving LOMAC another shot. Maybe after they release the next patch.

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Spinnetti
02-24-2004, 07:25 PM
Well, I got it and was sadly disappointed... Runs super slow, even on my 3.0ghz, with 1 gig ram and 9800pro..

Showtime_100
02-25-2004, 12:25 AM
I'll disagree and state that the graphics in LOMAC are better than FB in all areas.

I prefer jets. I didn't get into all the hype surrounding LOMAC before it was released, but did anticipate it. I have a P4 3.2Ghz 1Gig Ram and 9800XT and so I can run it with most things at high and visually it's a stunner. However, it's boring. Booooring. There is no war to immerse yourself in. A few missions but due to the flaws in the game design, you can really only have activity occur in a small area of the terrain. It's a world of safety with a small bubble where there's a threat and I know this in the back of my mind and it kills it for me. You'll never roll off target to head home and see other aircraft heading to their target or stumble upon an enemy formation...the resources can't handle that much activity. Or fly over unknown pockets of AAA that surprises you. Heck, there is no flak in the game, just AAA. You'll never see the black puffs of smoke. And then when you head home...there really is no home or good/bad territory. Your wingman will land at any old base including a base with enemy guns protecting it "One, I'm taking fire. One, I'm hit...ejecting" as he's landing. ATC will direct you to whichever base is closest to you and you don't feel as though there is any base of operation. Basically, the environment sucks teet. I can go on. It's gorgeous and I prefer jets, but it's really now only good for screen captures to impress other people and for head-to-head play at hyperlobby. From what little time I've been able to give to FB, I prefer that game much more...because there is an actual game to it.

LEXX_Luthor
02-25-2004, 01:07 AM
Showtime_100:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Your wingman will land at any old base including a base with enemy guns protecting it<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> You sure? In the Flaker 2.51 you can define airfields as enemy and the other side only operate from airfields not defined as such. Even for an airfield that is never used by any side, you can define it's side by setting an aircraft to take off and land at another field. This defines the side of those two airfields. You can set the time of takeoff many hours after mission start, so you never see it in the game. I'd be surprised if the LOMAC people took that Feature out (they made Flaker).



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Zayets
02-25-2004, 01:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Showtime_100:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Your wingman will land at any old base including a base with enemy guns protecting it<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> You sure? In the Flaker 2.51 you can define airfields as enemy and the other side only operate from airfields not defined as such. Even for an airfield that is never used by any side, you can define it's side by setting an aircraft to take off and land at another field. This defines the side of those two airfields. You can set the time of takeoff many hours after mission start, so you never see it in the game. I'd be surprised if the LOMAC people took that Feature out (they made Flaker).
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep , is true. In fact , many ppl playing Flanker said that Lomac is worst in some areas than Flanker itself. ATC will always give ya vectors to nearest base. AI planes will try to land on ANY airfield , no matter enemy units control that specific field. In fact , there's no front line and there's no friendly or enemy airbase.Who controls someeething , you don't know. If you remember in FB if any unit takes control over an airfield this one turns in the color of the ones controling it. Neat. Mission editor in Lomac sux. And I have a feeeling that they will not fix it. Not at all. Well , at least now.
PS: to make AI plane not land on enemy airbases th fix is to place a GAI flight there.But that means every airfield have jets ready to scramble.Therefore a scenario where ground troops take over an airfield is impossible.

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Coldgas
02-25-2004, 05:06 AM
i have LOMAC..
bought at the same time as IL2 FB..

I havent tested LOMAC becouse im playing IL2 FB http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

i have to install the game soon, before it gets old http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Speco
02-25-2004, 12:49 PM
BaldieJr:

"Why can't we dislike LOMAC based on personal preference?"

I didnt say that anyone cant dislike LOMAC
based on personal preference. All I was saying is that the original poster should take tose subjective remarks for what they realy are: SUBJECTIVE!!

PS. Again I never said thet the landings are like REAL because they are not! I said that they are harder to do in comparison to FB!

You should read the posts more carefully and calm down http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

maxim26
02-25-2004, 01:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zayets:
Mission editor in Lomac sux. And I have a feeeling that they will not fix it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sounds like you never played Lomac before. And didn't you mission builder for sure. Mission builder in Lock On is one of the best I ever used and majority people think so. It's simple to use and very flexible.

Zayets
02-25-2004, 02:34 PM
My friend,
I'm not at all sure what do you mean. Do you think I say these stuffs just because I don't have anything to say?
One of the best mission editors???
You speak about which game?CFS2?Because that one was the las good mission editor in a flight sim.Don't wanna talk about others like Janes or F4 or you name it.
First of all , I play Lomac , yes , I still do , I believe in this game potential but for the moment this game is not complete.Face it , or take yer trolling elsewhere.It just happen that I don't consider Lomac a very good jet sim. I have much more fun with SFP1 or F4 , not necessary in this order.
Now , to this mission editor , which flight sims did you've played? Ah , only Lomac, that explains everything. Check this stuff from your favorite ME : you place an object on the ground and you zoom in to align them.All you see is a darn square.In FB we se the object , my boy , and I can rotate it as I want because I see how it rotates. In Lomac you can rotate it as much as you want , you can't see how you put that object there. Want more? I'll come later , I just have a feeling that I should take it too hard on you , you're just an advertising victim.Like many others,including me.Go in peace.

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maxim26
02-25-2004, 05:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zayets:
My friend,
I'm not at all sure what do you mean. Do you think I say these stuffs just because I don't have anything to say?
One of the best mission editors???
You speak about which game?CFS2?Because that one was the las good mission editor in a flight sim.Don't wanna talk about others like Janes or F4 or you name it.
First of all , I play Lomac , yes , I still do , I believe in this game potential but for the moment this game is not complete.Face it , or take yer trolling elsewhere.It just happen that I don't consider Lomac a very good jet sim. I have much more fun with SFP1 or F4 , not necessary in this order.
Now , to this mission editor , which flight sims did you've played? Ah , only Lomac, that explains everything. Check this stuff from your favorite ME : you place an object on the ground and you zoom in to align them.All you see is a darn square.In FB we se the object , my boy , and I can rotate it as I want because I see how it rotates. In Lomac you can rotate it as much as you want , you can't see how you put that object there. Want more? I'll come later , I just have a feeling that I should take it too hard on you , you're just an advertising victim.Like many others,including me.Go in peace.

Zayets out
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Looks like only 13% thinks that mission builder sux. http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=38610606&m=584101742&showpollresults=Y
You are in minority. Nex time you will make statments like "that sux" back it up with facts.

MandMs
02-25-2004, 06:04 PM
Zayets, you know the Russians make the best of everything.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Remember that Italian car the Russians copied, the Lada. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif



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james_ander
02-25-2004, 07:01 PM
I am unqualified to give advice about lowmac being inexperienced at flight sims and PC games in general. I have tried the lomac demo and recently bought Flanker 2.5 with IL2 (after playing FB for awhile). As much as I like IL2 and FB, I just can't get into Flanker. I have tried and done the trainings and learned the radar and still can't get excited about it. Lomac looks like a polished version of Flanker, but this probably isn't doing it justice.

It's not because Flanker is difficult for me (it is). I am terrible against AI pilots in IL2, especially FB. But I don't care. Boredom sets in in a flight sim when kill after kills comes without effort. IL2 has so much more to keep me intersted. I dread becoming too good at it, but that isn't likely to happen anytime soon.

It's not a jet sim thing either. Years ago, I had a demo of F/A-18 Korea, which I played constantly. I kept the same crap computer for years and only recently got a new one and went out looking for a brand new jet sym. There are some real clunkers out there. I have not been able to find in a jet sym whatever it was that Korea had. It sure wasn't graphics. If anyone knows of a decent jet sim, I would love to find one. But I don't think it will be lomac for me.

Thanks for listening to my unqualified ramblings,

James

RicknZ
02-25-2004, 08:10 PM
I wouldnt waste money on it again.

The game is best sumed up as sterile and stale. Its a 'world' you cannot fully enter, throw in irritating bugs...

Also note, extremely limited plane set and dodgy netcode means that long term replayability is near zero. Strike fighters is a much better investment IMHO.

DONB3397
02-25-2004, 08:44 PM
My family tolerates my fixation on WWII air combat, but they think it's perhaps a flaw in my character. A quirk. When I dl'd the Lomac demo and was testing it one night, my daughter-in-law looked into my office and said, "Now THAT's a flight simulation program."

For her, WWII aircraft belong in museums. They're quaint and irrelevant. Her office features a tiny T-38, an F-15 and a huge C-5. She flies for a living.

Frankly, I couldn't find much wrong with the sim. The jets climbed and turned...and crashed, just like the a/c in FB...only faster. I just didn't like it.

Should you "buy" it? Sure. If you like seeing the world through a HUD, and firing at blips. The graphics are good. I suspect the flight models are pretty accurate. Why not?

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AWL_Spinner
02-26-2004, 03:35 AM
I bought LOMAC but frankly don't have the time in my life at the moment to learn it. It's installed, but loaded probably less than ten times. I'm just too busy with FB during my "gaming hours".

As someone else said, I'll probably give it another whirl after the next patch out of curiosity. And NATO carrier ops with the rumoured F18 addition would probably peak my interest for a week or two.

I'll always buy a good flight sim but so far nothing's matched the immersion of FB for me.

Good to see people saying positive things about Strike Fighters though, I may get that, I'm sure the learning curve is a lot shallower and I do have a soft spot for the fifties and sixties.

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Zayets
02-26-2004, 04:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by maxim26:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zayets:
My friend,
I'm not at all sure what do you mean. Do you think I say these stuffs just because I don't have anything to say?
One of the best mission editors???
You speak about which game?CFS2?Because that one was the las good mission editor in a flight sim.Don't wanna talk about others like Janes or F4 or you name it.
First of all , I play Lomac , yes , I still do , I believe in this game potential but for the moment this game is not complete.Face it , or take yer trolling elsewhere.It just happen that I don't consider Lomac a very good jet sim. I have much more fun with SFP1 or F4 , not necessary in this order.
Now , to this mission editor , which flight sims did you've played? Ah , only Lomac, that explains everything. Check this stuff from your favorite ME : you place an object on the ground and you zoom in to align them.All you see is a darn square.In FB we se the object , my boy , and I can rotate it as I want because I see how it rotates. In Lomac you can rotate it as much as you want , you can't see how you put that object there. Want more? I'll come later , I just have a feeling that I should take it too hard on you , you're just an advertising victim.Like many others,including me.Go in peace.

Zayets out
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Looks like only 13% thinks that mission builder sux. http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=38610606&m=584101742&showpollresults=Y
You are in minority. Nex time you will make statments like "that sux" back it up with facts.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So do you.Wether you like or not Lomac. I have a case, you didn't prove yet how ME in Lomacc is better than any other ME. You're just a fanboy and for that I forgive you.Go in peace.
And BTW , SP4 is out , go play it , you will find that at this time it beats the crap outta Lomac in every sector except graphics. But you know , eye candy comes with a price,so better upgrade your rig.Ciao.

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BlackHawkLeader
02-26-2004, 05:01 AM
Theres a few guys now flying in Lomac, that have been flying Online in IL-2, and IL-2 FB for years.
Like me they got bored with IL-2FB and found Lomac much more immersive,(in a different way) probably because your cockpit instrumentation works like it does in real life.

The Electronic Warfare side of the Sim is very realistic, and at times nerve wracking!

In outside views allowed games, sometimes I like to watch the fly past view when your at super sonic speed, you see your jet approach fast and quiet then as it passes BOOOM! as you see your twin glowing engines dissapear quickly into the distance.
Be carefull not to have the volume on your speakers up too high.

In Ace mode or the most difficult setting, the Electronics War Fare Immersion sets in.
You have to learn the instruments, but I find it rather exciting search different quadrants of the sky with the Pulse Doppler Radar of the Soviet SU27, hunting for F-15C Eagles.

While at the same time watching my Radar warning display, I can tell from different readings on the display if I have been picked up by enemy radar and what type.
Weather Im being tracked by a SAM Missle launcher, or early Warning radar, or weather an airbourne enemy fighter is tracking me on Radar, I can even read the bearing and turn towards the enemy, or fly down low amongst mountain ranges to try and break radar contact.

Its a real game of cat and mouse, if your Missle Lock Warning light and alarm goes off in the **** pit, you take evasive action ( there are different ways) of course all hell is about to break loose when the MISSLE LAUNCH WARNING alarm goes off.
You have sometimes only seconds to make decisions and react.
Can I electronicly jam it ( or has he set the missle to Home on Jam)
Is it infared heat seeker throttle back drop flares turn tight back towards the missle.

Can I out run it because he launched at extreme range.

Can I pick it up on my EOS heat sensing array and fire one of my own heat seekers at it.

Or can I pour on the speed and turn through Mountain ranges and have the Missle intercepting me crash into the side of a hill on its radar tracking path towards me.

This game is HOT immersion wise, and of course the fun of taking off and landing on Air Craft Carriers speaks for itself.

I have not even covered the close quarter dog fight mode using cannons or slaving my missle array to helmet targeting mode, while trying to turn inside the enemy.

Anybody that would rubbish Lomac does not know what the hell they are talking about, does not have a good enough system to run it, or has not taken the time to try it properly.

Have not flown Online in FB since the day I started using LOMAC, and Ive been flying IL-2FB for years.

Will return to FB soon for the aces add on, but doubt very much I will use it.
FB and Lock On are both great Sims, many will fly both after they try both, but Lock on is harder to fly and build missions in, that puts them off see.
Once you get used to lock on, I found it far more intense and immersive, by a country mile too.

Cheers

LEXX_Luthor
02-26-2004, 05:58 AM
BlackHawkLeader, thanks for the description. I started out with DOS Flaker 1.0. Someday if they fix the LOMAC--like the overcast sky fps drop I read about--I will buy it. Perhaps when I upgrade for BoB. If they make it a better sim than Flaker 2.51, and if they stick with it, it will be an Awsum sim. That, and if they add Flyable Su~7 (not Su~17). http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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maxim26
02-26-2004, 07:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zayets:
[Now , to this mission editor , which flight sims did you've played? Ah , only Lomac, that explains everything. Check this stuff from your favorite ME : you place an object on the ground and you zoom in to align them.All you see is a darn square.In FB we se the object , my boy , and I can rotate it as I want because I see how it rotates. In Lomac you can rotate it as much as you want , you can't see how you put that object there. Want more? I'll come later , I just have a feeling that I should take it too hard on you , you're just an advertising victim<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It seems to me that the lack of 3D in mission builder doesnt bother majority of players. During this night the percentage of unsatisfied players dropped to 8%. People, who think its perfect - 12%, and people that satisfied with mission builder is 81%. Check out the results of the poll http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=38610606&m=584101742&showpollresults=Y

Original poster asked advice here about Lomac and in return he received biased reply from uncompetent people "yeah, mission builder in Lomac sux, because there are no 3d in it, and what else... , oh let me play a litle more and I will find somthing else".

Cossack_UA
02-26-2004, 07:40 AM
If you like mordern aviation, you just gotta buy Lomack. Of course there are buggs, like in any other complex flight sim. You know the drill. You fly the sim, you find the bug, you report, they look into it, they fix. The game is no worse than Il2 at that stage of maturity.

Zayets
02-26-2004, 08:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by maxim26:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zayets:
[Now , to this mission editor , which flight sims did you've played? Ah , only Lomac, that explains everything. Check this stuff from your favorite ME : you place an object on the ground and you zoom in to align them.All you see is a darn square.In FB we se the object , my boy , and I can rotate it as I want because I see how it rotates. In Lomac you can rotate it as much as you want , you can't see how you put that object there. Want more? I'll come later , I just have a feeling that I should take it too hard on you , you're just an advertising victim<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It seems to me that the lack of 3D in mission builder doesnt bother majority of players. During this night the percentage of unsatisfied players dropped to 8%. People, who think its perfect - 12%, and people that satisfied with mission builder is 81%. Check out the results of the poll http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=38610606&m=584101742&showpollresults=Y

Original poster asked advice here about Lomac and in return he received biased reply from uncompetent people "yeah, mission builder in Lomac sux, because there are no 3d in it, and what else... , oh let me play a litle more and I will find somthing else".<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And you are competent? If you check my answer is : buy!But you are too lazzy.You posted a poll in Lomac forum and basicaly dozen ppl voted , this is cool. The poster wants to know if he should buy Lomac , not if the ME is good or not. This is one point I don't like in Lomac , d on't get me started on the issues what lacks Lomac because there are too many starting from low fps on good systems and ending with radar functionalities.List is too long , only if you checck what will be fixed in the next patch you will see how Lomac was delivered.But that's OK , since 2 years I waited for this game , and I believe in this game potential.But now is far from being completed.For "the best ME" around you should look what a real ME is , in Jane's or CFS2 or F4. These are only ME , in addition you could build REAL campaigns and some of them dynamic , as is F4.Yes , lack of 3D in ME sux if is to put stationary objects on the ground.IL2 FB FMB is way better , number of "triggers" in IL2FB are far more (attack ground , target , defend etc).If you don't see these facts it means I don't have anything to talk about with you.You're a simple fanboy joining Lomac community once you received this game as a gift last XMas. Seriously , you don't have to please the one who came with the gift by playing it.He/she will never know.
On your last remark(s) I can only feel pitty for you.You're as ccompetent as I am , only that in my case , I accept my mistake.I paid too much for Lomac.I should have waited till now and buy it on bulk with Aces Expansion.Now , lemme see what goodies F4 SP4 offer for a real jet sim: hmmmmm , lotta planes , lotta new models , hangar parking , tons of weapons , a dynamic campaign , the best immersion you can have, true ATC , true comms.I wish I had the graphics from Lomac but I know they should have quit the REAL stuffs, so I am not sorry.
Ciao.
BTW:the new skins are awesome.The sounds rock and I can change them whenever I want.

Zayets out
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