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DanAmrich
05-31-2014, 01:22 AM
http://i.imgur.com/p6G2q8L.jpg

umbralez
05-31-2014, 01:30 AM
http://i.imgur.com/p6G2q8L.jpg



Dont think it is Bob Gibson,Blur, nor PJ,will wait for some others to find out.

DanAmrich
05-31-2014, 01:39 AM
If this proves too difficult, I will offer some assistance or additional clues. I think it's pretty tricky but I thought that for previous weeks and you folks got them very quickly, so I simply cannot underestimate the power of this forum!

As before, if I am dropping any hints in plaintext, I will color that text green. Otherwise it's just me talkin'.

toymachinesh
05-31-2014, 01:45 AM
It looks like the cover of The Resistance by Muse but that can't be happening can it?

bcat129
05-31-2014, 01:48 AM
http://i.imgur.com/p6G2q8L.jpg.I'm just trying to figure out what it is. (ie. Album cover, picture? )

kaviar94
05-31-2014, 01:50 AM
Google just gave me a bunch of images that are labelled as "fractal" and they all look like nebulas and space stuff. Dunno if that means anything

JedTheSped
05-31-2014, 01:53 AM
Did a reverse image search and found this. Bowie? Mars Volta?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/10/pictures/111028-best-space-pictures-comet-mars-saturn-satellite-167-science/

AngelicClock
05-31-2014, 01:54 AM
There is a 092896 at the right bottom of the image. Likely a date.

Googled the date and the first thing I see is Pearl Jam. But we did had a Pearl Jam DLC right?

Munnchy
05-31-2014, 01:54 AM
It looks like the cover of The Resistance by Muse but that can't be happening can it?

One can dream... Shame really :/

ForkofBone
05-31-2014, 01:55 AM
The colours remind me a lot of Alice In Chains Facelift album art, but I doubt we'd be getting more from them so soon.

kaviar94
05-31-2014, 02:03 AM
Ok, I'm pretty sure this is the picture, just flipped and unblurred or whatever.

http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/427/cache/space167-supernova-rcw-86_42751_600x450.jpg

JedTheSped
05-31-2014, 02:05 AM
Anyone know what kind of filter was used on the image? It could be significant.

AngelicClock
05-31-2014, 02:06 AM
Just tested out in Photoshop, Sprayed Strokes is the closest filter I can get to that effect.

f0ster67
05-31-2014, 02:06 AM
http://www.colorhexa.com/092896

don't know it means anything though

JPS2K5
05-31-2014, 02:06 AM
311 - All Mixed Up.

kaviar94
05-31-2014, 02:12 AM
Hey Kaviar94, how did you unscramble the image?
I didn't unscramble it. Someone posted a link to national geographic article a bit ago, and it had the exact picture. I think it has to do with a supernova

JPS2K5
05-31-2014, 02:14 AM
Mr Hudson feat. Kayne West - Supernova

Ok I give up now.. I suck at this...

kaviar94
05-31-2014, 02:16 AM
Alright, so some googling led to an article about how Sum 41 played their first show on September 28,1996 under the name Supernova, which is what the picture is of.

So maybe we're getting a few Sum 41 songs?

vharuchai
05-31-2014, 02:16 AM
First supernova in recorded history, apparently... AD 185.


http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap111110.html

CAVagrant
05-31-2014, 02:18 AM
There was an episode of SNL with Tom Petty on that date

SN 185 was a supernova which appeared in the year AD 185, near the direction of Alpha Centauri, between the constellations Circinus and Centaurus, centered at RA 14h 43m Dec −62 30′, in Circinus. This "guest star" was observed by Chinese astronomers in the Book of Later Han,[3] and might have been recorded in Roman literature.[1]It remained visible in the night sky for eight months. This is believed to have been the first supernova recorded.

Guest Star on 092896? I'll go with your Tom Petty guess.

MoldyRhyme94061
05-31-2014, 02:22 AM
The article says it is an explosion in space. Maybe "Explosions in the Sky"

toymachinesh
05-31-2014, 02:22 AM
Sum 41 would be awesome (for me)

xKeo
05-31-2014, 02:25 AM
Both seem like they could be the right answer, buuuuuuut Tom Petty was on disc, so I'm leaning more towards him.

kaviar94
05-31-2014, 02:26 AM
Yeah, even though I love Sum 41, I feel like Tom Petty would be a little more fitting and interesting. Especially if Running Down A Dream is in there.

umbralez
05-31-2014, 02:31 AM
If it is Petty money is on Ubisofts way,at least mine for the first time in about 2 months.But I too definitely see a dog there.

bcat129
05-31-2014, 02:32 AM
How about the band Ra. They formed in 1996 and have a song called "Supernova".

SN 185 was a supernova which appeared in the year AD 185, near the direction of Alpha Centauri, between the constellations Circinus and Centaurus, centered at RA 14h 43m Dec −62 30′, in Circinus. This "guest star" was observed by Chinese astronomers in the Book of Later Han,[3] and might have been recorded in Roman literature.[1]It remained visible in the night sky for eight months. This is believed to have been the first supernova recorded.

umbralez
05-31-2014, 02:36 AM
How about the band Ra. They formed in 1996 and have a song called "Supernova".

So does Oomph! (and they are fun)

rockk3ded
05-31-2014, 02:42 AM
Most of the Journey albums have a space theme, could be that?

bcat129
05-31-2014, 02:47 AM
So does Oomph! (and they are fun) and they a greatest hits being released on 6/3/14

ghmorello
05-31-2014, 03:00 AM
Why are you guys hating Sum 41? I like both Sum 41 and Petty.

Moodyblues57
05-31-2014, 03:01 AM
SN 185 was a supernova which appeared in the year AD 185, near the direction of Alpha Centauri, between the constellations Circinus and Centaurus, centered at RA 14h 43m Dec −62 30′, in Circinus. This "guest star" was observed by Chinese astronomers in the Book of Later Han,[3] and might have been recorded in Roman literature.[1]It remained visible in the night sky for eight months. This is believed to have been the first supernova recorded.

Guest Star on 092896? I'll go with your Tom Petty guess.
The article and picture, together with the date, seem incontrovertible to me that you both are correct. As such and if true, it will be nice to purchase new DLC for the first time in over a month! But it is still beyond me how you guys made the leap to un-blur and flip the image, let alone have the vision to even see the numbers. God, I am old.

EDIT: What did you use to sharpen the picture? I admit that my image editing skills are next to nonexistent.

pedietz
05-31-2014, 03:04 AM
what a TRIUMPH for man to see that super nova so early in history.

http://www.amazon.com/Triumph-Twist-Drill-Co-092896/dp/B007MN68CW
^^ check the part number

Someone needs to Lay it on the Line, and make a good guess.

f0ster67
05-31-2014, 03:08 AM
The article and picture, together with the date, seem incontrovertible to me that you both are correct. As such and if true, it will be nice to purchase new DLC for the first time in over a month! But it is still beyond me how you guys made the leap to un-blur and flip the image, let alone have the vision to even see the numbers. God, I am old.

its a different picture than dans

CrazedRacer
05-31-2014, 03:20 AM
Would really like some Petty. They have had some pretty big announcements recently with the US tour and being in the studio for new recordings. It would be a fit as far as publicity goes.

I could use a little something to lift my spirits after the month I've had.

CageyPompano7
05-31-2014, 03:47 AM
Ok, I'm pretty sure this is the picture, just flipped and unblurred or whatever.

http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/427/cache/space167-supernova-rcw-86_42751_600x450.jpg

Could it be Skydog.... looks like a dog head in space.. Skydog = Duane Allman

Or constellation of some sort?

BazzTard61
05-31-2014, 04:26 AM
Well, I know for sure what next week's DLC is gonna be

SLASH (hopefully)........

Tom Petty and Slash on the same day....what to play first? lol

nlea
05-31-2014, 04:48 AM
Powerman 5000?

umbralez
05-31-2014, 04:57 AM
and they a greatest hits being released on 6/3/14

More good news!Thanks.

bcat129
05-31-2014, 05:04 AM
More good news!Thanks.
I meant RA. sorry miss read your last post

The_Working_Man
05-31-2014, 05:11 AM
http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/427/cache/space167-supernova-rcw-86_42751_600x450.jpg

I see a Rainbow in the Dark. DIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! :D

bcat129
05-31-2014, 05:18 AM
http://youtu.be/HUKOFTJj0GEhttp://youtu.be/W0mHDqv8Lz0
This is my stab. Probably wrong, but I haven't got one right yet.

f0ster67
05-31-2014, 05:30 AM
I see a Rainbow in the Dark. DIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! :D

now that would be something

AchtungBeatles
05-31-2014, 05:39 AM
Some space themes: Janis Joplin (Kozmic Blues). Jimi Hendrix (Valleys of Neptune/Rays of the Rising Sun), John Lennon (Across the Universe)...I know Beatles isn't happening, but solo is certainly possible ["Imagine" was in a Rock Band and Paul was in a GH]

Probably none of them though this time around.

CodyGrand
05-31-2014, 05:53 AM
If we're going with space themes, then I'm going to go with a little classic rock band called u.f.o. doctor doctor is an really fun song to play. There was also apparently a UFO sighting on the day mentioned too. I'm really surprised no 1 guessed rock star supernova yet, but I guess they wouldn't have enough songs for a pack.

elemenohpenc
05-31-2014, 06:48 AM
i'd be happy with Sum 41, Explosions in the Sky or Tom Petty. (in order of happiness)

i love pop-punk so, Sum 41 would be awesome. EITS is most likely not going to happen... although, if RS were to incorporate more post-rock they'd be a good starting point. Some of the Radiohead stuff and Sigur Ros are post-rock-ish.

toymachinesh
05-31-2014, 08:38 AM
what a TRIUMPH for man to see that super nova so early in history.

http://www.amazon.com/Triumph-Twist-Drill-Co-092896/dp/B007MN68CW
^^ check the part number

Someone needs to Lay it on the Line, and make a good guess.


Are you some kind of Rock n' Roll Machine?

sh1kamaru-
05-31-2014, 09:28 AM
I really hope it's not yet another pop punk band but at this point it's the most solid clue I think.

Would love tom petty though

shihdo
05-31-2014, 09:41 AM
seems odd that the picture is distorted but not the date,
092896 was the date of Metallicas italy concert.
Also the date of ronnie macdowells concert in springfield.
Also shows links to rihanna ??

Also has a tenuous link to rockstar supernova which would have some good RS material.

kingratt
05-31-2014, 11:11 AM
Has any one considered the possibility that the picture is distorted but not the date stamp is because it was taken with a camera with a lens FILTER?

trueshaft03
05-31-2014, 11:50 AM
http://i.imgur.com/p6G2q8L.jpg

I am saying Sublime didn' they have a video or something that a dog in space like that?

dougybongy
05-31-2014, 12:48 PM
there's a good chance it's Sum 41 :

"The group began as a NOFX cover band named "Kaspir”. They decided to change their name for a Supernova show on September 28, 1996 which happened to be the 41st day of their summer vacation."

source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sum_41

The number 092896 at the bottom of Dan's image doesn't appear in the original image, and anyway Dan rotated and flipped it, so i guess it's part of the clue. and when you combine supernova and that number as a date, you get that story about how they choose their name..

Kirei85
05-31-2014, 03:19 PM
My guess is The Red Hot Chili Peppers, Stadium Arcadium was their 9th album and it has 28 songs on it, but I don't have a relation to 96....

kidmeatball
05-31-2014, 03:24 PM
I want it to be Social Distortion, but I just can't shoehorn anything in.

steel_string
05-31-2014, 04:04 PM
IIRC, there was a confirmation a while back that a Tom Petty pack was in the works for some later date. That, combined with a photo of the Guest Star and the date on which he was the guest performer on SNL seems to make him the most likely candidate.

That said, the Sum 41 thing is pretty strong, too. I don't think we've seen two possibilities this strong before.

toymachinesh
05-31-2014, 04:12 PM
I am saying Sublime didn' they have a video or something that a dog in space like that?

Santeria? That's a stretch

Moodyblues57
05-31-2014, 04:44 PM
I guess I can throw out a SWAG myself. To Our Children's Children's Children, The 4th album by the Moody Blues, was a "concept" album, with the songs on it all devoted to space exploration. The band was inspired to write the songs by Apollo 11, and man's first steps on the moon. So I got that going for me, which is nice.

dm_gsxr
05-31-2014, 04:52 PM
First thing I thought of when I saw the image was Journey.

Carl

CrazedRacer
05-31-2014, 05:15 PM
Sum 41 certainly fits the clues and the most popular type of music in the game... But I'm still going with Tom Petty just because we knew TP&H was coming at some point and the clues fit just as well... Also, because I have been waiting for TP&H since RS1 and I won't buy Sum 41. :)

zaxcv4321
05-31-2014, 05:35 PM
I wonder if the hybridizing of punk and pop was done for the sake of irony.

kwoulf
05-31-2014, 05:47 PM
Blink? http://straightfresh.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Cover+Dogs+Eating+Dogs+Portada1-590x590-570x570.jpg

elemenohpenc
05-31-2014, 05:55 PM
i can't tell if you're being condescending or truly curious.

either way, forget all the rebellious ethos of 70s and 80s punk. pop-punk is simply combining the sounds (downbeat heavy drums, chugging bass and palm muted power chords of punk and the melody/structure of pop music).

i think pop-punk catches a bad rap because of sheer ignorance. it's about the music. not the fashion and worn out ideals of an older generation being bastardized by someone that can actually sing (and happens to sing about life, love and relationships... apparently life isn't punk rock unless it's spent in the gutter).

this post is not an attack on dougoberle, his comment just reminded me of why i constantly have to defend my love of pop-punk to people that just don't get it.

elemenohpenc
05-31-2014, 05:56 PM
Blink?

They had a pack on the original RS. and I don't see how b182 fits any of the clues.

ghmorello
05-31-2014, 06:45 PM
Sum 41 is pretty good. What's with the hate?

Kitty_13.
05-31-2014, 06:54 PM
Hoping the clues are for Tom Petty...
Big pass if it's Sum 41...

The_Working_Man
05-31-2014, 06:59 PM
Where is everyone seeing that supposed number/date in Dan's image??

CrazedRacer
05-31-2014, 07:02 PM
Sum 41 is pretty good. What's with the hate?

For me, mostly that they already have a ton of what I would consider the same genre/type/sound of artist on RS. I would consider the other ones better and more original than Sum 41. Also, Tom Petty is one of the 2 on disc artists that would be an insta buy for me, no matter what the songs are/how many songs are in the pack (the other being Def Leppard). So it serves to reason that I'd be rooting hard for TP&H.

Greenbrick2
05-31-2014, 07:29 PM
It's a space picture... space rock? OH MY GOD, YOU GOT HAWKWIND!!!

But probably not.

Ignoring that it's a picture of a supernova, what is the name of the nebula and constellation in the picture? Name of the articles in which the picture was published?

MoldyRhyme94061
05-31-2014, 07:30 PM
Where is everyone seeing that supposed number/date in Dan's image??

I have no idea. I don't see them either I was just trusting whoever said they saw some numbers.

tjdrico
05-31-2014, 07:53 PM
Where is everyone seeing that supposed number/date in Dan's image??

Easier to see if you open it in Paint.Net or similar and fiddle with brightness/contrast etc.

http://red-rose.com/images/rscluedate.png

Moodyblues57
05-31-2014, 08:12 PM
If we're going with space themes, then I'm going to go with a little classic rock band called u.f.o. doctor doctor is an really fun song to play. There was also apparently a UFO sighting on the day mentioned too.

I don't think that the clues fit, but a UFO sighting on a DLC release would be an insta-buy for me.

CodyGrand
05-31-2014, 08:37 PM
I don't think that the clues fit, but a UFO sighting on a DLC release would be an insta-buy for me.

My original thought was that the image looked a bit like the Strangers In The Night album cover, but yeah, it does look like it's that Supernova.

TJ_Wylde
05-31-2014, 09:00 PM
For those that can't see the date i inverted the image, changed brightness and contrast and adjusted the saturation a bit to get the best images of the date i could in a couple seconds time. i highlighted with a border on the lower right where the date is. Enjoy furter speculation on what the DLC is :D

http://oi59.tinypic.com/nxvzvt.jpg

alistaircg
05-31-2014, 10:37 PM
Step back it's a baby in a sonar fetal position

Or soju gardens super unknown album

Or a yoghurt and a bean

Steel_Nirvana
05-31-2014, 10:42 PM
Sorry to be pedantic, but the image is not of a supernova, as several have said. It's a nebula that resulted from a supernova. ;)

alistaircg
05-31-2014, 10:46 PM
Step back it's a baby in a sonar fetal position

Or soju gardens super unknown album

Or a yoghurt and a bean

Dammit I have a image supporting this and this site wont let me upload it from my iPad, it wants a URL

Mr_Scrogger
05-31-2014, 10:49 PM
There was an episode of SNL with Tom Petty on that date


SN 185 was a supernova which appeared in the year AD 185, near the direction of Alpha Centauri, between the constellations Circinus and Centaurus, centered at RA 14h 43m Dec −62 30′, in Circinus. This "guest star" was observed by Chinese astronomers in the Book of Later Han,[3] and might have been recorded in Roman literature.[1]It remained visible in the night sky for eight months. This is believed to have been the first supernova recorded.

Guest Star on 092896? I'll go with your Tom Petty guess.


The article and picture, together with the date, seem incontrovertible to me that you both are correct. As such and if true, it will be nice to purchase new DLC for the first time in over a month!

I'm in agreement with you guys. I'd bet money it's gonna be Tom Petty

Dan is probably yanking his hair out trying to figure out how he is gonna stump this group for more than an hour or 2

alistaircg
05-31-2014, 10:54 PM
Ok here is what I did

Even if this site can't upload a pic

Rotate the image until the lines are parallel with the horizontal plane
Turn to black and white
Zoom into it on your monitor then step back to see the image


Other things to consider :

It could be mirror reversed even the numbers
That paint brush or distortion effect could be a clue itself

It could be negative

Two or four of these arranged in a specific tiling could make another image

alistaircg
05-31-2014, 10:56 PM
The style mr colours in reverse could be one of Vaughn Oliver's album cover designs from the nineties

alistaircg
05-31-2014, 11:04 PM
The band signal to noise ?

CrazedRacer
05-31-2014, 11:45 PM
OK... I'm just gonna say Tom Petty...

This better be a 5 pack. :)

Runnin' Down A Dream
American Girl
I Need to Know
Refugee
A Woman in Love (It's Not Me) - Live Anthology Version

The first 4 are probable. :) The last one is a wish. There are a lot of other "off the wall" songs that have some amazing guitar parts, but I figure that, for at least 80% of a pack, they're gonna take the most popular stuff - which is fine by me. I'll be happy to learn those, too.

King of Sting20
06-01-2014, 12:01 AM
I'm always a little shocked to hear that people from other countries have not heard of a lot of the DLC.

Is Tom Petty widely known across the world? I would think so, right?

I have been a Petty fan since the early 80s so if we get his DLC that would be an insta-buy for me and I would venture to guess one of the better selling ones this year.

Dmonster4
06-01-2014, 01:33 AM
OK... I'm just gonna say Tom Petty...

This better be a 5 pack. :)

Runnin' Down A Dream
American Girl
I Need to Know
Refugee
A Woman in Love (It's Not Me) - Live Anthology Version

The first 4 are probable. :) The last one is a wish. There are a lot of other "off the wall" songs that have some amazing guitar parts, but I figure that, for at least 80% of a pack, they're gonna take the most popular stuff - which is fine by me. I'll be happy to learn those, too.

^^ This This This This This ^^

Hoping for Tom Petty! :D

Sum 41 have already had DLC so maybe it's time for some Classic Rock! Please don't let me be wrong!

Also because I don't like Sum 41... :D

zaxcv4321
06-01-2014, 01:33 AM
i can't tell if you're being condescending or truly curious.

Condescending is a strong word....maybe snide captures it better. But yes, 100% condescending / snide. ;)

JaekRock
06-01-2014, 01:56 AM
I had to do some last minute shopping for my brother's birthday party today... I literally put my money on it being Petty DLC this week, and told him he'd be able to spend his gift card on some Petty on his Bday (6/3). Don't let me down Dan! ;) I think this DLC is pretty much written in the stars though.

Got him an audio adapter so he can get direct audio while playing through HDMI video, as he's been playing with lag still. So at least he'll have that if it's something else next week.

futile67
06-01-2014, 01:57 AM
I'd be the happiest person on these forums if it was Soundgarden. I can see where you're coming from with the face from the cover of Superunknown, but I'm having trouble tying the number or date in.

I wouldn't expect any Soundgarden DLC before the re-release of Superunknown in a few weeks. But I've got a feeling we will have it later this summer.

f0ster67
06-01-2014, 03:08 AM
the riff repeater posted the image of the nebula on twitter and dan said that image looks familiar so its the correct picture it seems

fredyellowone
06-01-2014, 04:18 AM
Sum 41 have already had DLC

False Statement.

That being said, I really don't like Tom Petty. (Beside Free Falling, and I won't back down)
And I'm a huge fan of SUM41.

So, there you have it. It will be Tom Petty.

umbralez
06-01-2014, 04:49 AM
The style mr colours in reverse could be one of Vaughn Oliver's album cover designs from the nineties

Absolutely not.They left 4ad by 1991 and while they are my favorite band ever ,I dont think they can be succesfully translated to RS nor sell much,as they can not be really called mainstream.

The_Working_Man
06-01-2014, 05:49 AM
Easier to see if you open it in Paint.Net or similar and fiddle with brightness/contrast etc.

http://red-rose.com/images/rscluedate.png

Holy Easter Eggs!! I don't know how anyone spotted that so quickly but, nice job!

BazzTard61
06-01-2014, 05:51 AM
really hope it's Tom Petty , his body of work is immense.

I haven't heard of Sum41, not saying they are crap or anything, just being honest that I don't know them or their music :)

If someone would be so kind as to list a few of their better songs so I may look em up on the interwebbythingy?

kaviar94
06-01-2014, 06:41 AM
really hope it's Tom Petty , his body of work is immense.

I haven't heard of Sum41, not saying they are crap or anything, just being honest that I don't know them or their music :)

If someone would be so kind as to list a few of their better songs so I may look em up on the interwebbythingy?

Their most popular songs would probably be Fat Lip or In Too Deep. Still Waiting and Underclass Hero aren't bad either.

Marauder359
06-01-2014, 12:08 PM
^^ This This This This This ^^

Hoping for Tom Petty! :D

Sum 41 have already had DLC so maybe it's time for some Classic Rock! Please don't let me be wrong!

Also because I don't like Sum 41... :D

Once again, you're entitled to your opinion, not a separate set of facts. Sum 41 isn't in the game. It isn't on disc. It isn't DLC. Your opinion is no more valid with the support of falsehoods.

Dmonster4
06-01-2014, 12:48 PM
False Statement.

That being said, I really don't like Tom Petty. (Beside Free Falling, and I won't back down)
And I'm a huge fan of SUM41.

So, there you have it. It will be Tom Petty.

I thought that Sum 41 already had DLC on the original RS. Could be wrong but I thought I saw some on the marketplace. I don't know... :D

Dmonster4
06-01-2014, 12:53 PM
Once again, you're entitled to your opinion, not a separate set of facts. Sum 41 isn't in the game. It isn't on disc. It isn't DLC. Your opinion is no more valid with the support of lies.

I didn't intentionally lie. I was just mistaken but I could have swore I saw some on the marketplace. Guess I was wrong... Sorry...

Marauder359
06-01-2014, 01:22 PM
I didn't intentionally lie. I was just mistaken but I could have swore I saw some on the marketplace. Guess I was wrong... Sorry...

Well, there's no such thing as unintentionally lying, as lying includes an element of knowingly telling the untruth, so I've edited accordingly. I'd be happy with either, but I'd certainly prefer Petty myself.

Brick235
06-01-2014, 01:23 PM
I remembered that I had one of Sum 41's albums about 10 years ago. It had some decent songs on it. These two got some radio rotation in my area. A mix of heavy and softer songs.


http://youtu.be/aUultIb2pPc


http://youtu.be/By7ctqcWxyM

Dmonster4
06-01-2014, 01:37 PM
Well, there's no such thing as unintentionally lying, as lying includes an element of knowingly telling the untruth, so I've edited accordingly. I'd be happy with either, but I'd certainly prefer Petty myself.

I didn't know there wasn't Sum 41 DLC already but I thought there was so I went with that thought. But yeah, Tom Petty please! Tom Petty would be infinitely more interesting to learn than Sum 41. :D

kelsier0
06-01-2014, 02:28 PM
really hope it's Tom Petty , his body of work is immense.

I haven't heard of Sum41, not saying they are crap or anything, just being honest that I don't know them or their music :)

If someone would be so kind as to list a few of their better songs so I may look em up on the interwebbythingy?

You've probably heard some of their songs and just assumed that it was blink-182.

CrazedRacer
06-01-2014, 02:43 PM
You've probably heard some of their songs and just assumed that it was blink-182.

LOL. Or Offspring or Green Day or Simple Plan or Good Charlotte or... With the exception of some of the vocalists, all of those groups sound the same to me. That's not entirely a condemnation. I like some of those songs. I just don't know that we need every one of those groups to have a pack when they all sound pretty much the same.

Dmonster4
06-01-2014, 02:45 PM
Ahhhhh! It was Blink 182 that has DLC already! I thought that was Sum 41. They sound similar. Oh well... :D

elemenohpenc
06-01-2014, 03:40 PM
Their most popular songs would probably be Fat Lip or In Too Deep. Still Waiting and Underclass Hero aren't bad either.

If it's a Sum 41 pack, I'm guessing:
Fat Lip (although I already know how to play it)
In Too Deep (already know it)
Motivation (this was on-disc for GH: Warriors of Rock)
Hell Song
Still Waiting

all 5 of these songs were singles from their two most successful records in the US (All Killer, No Filler and Does This Look Infected?).

Wildcards:
Handle This (one of my fav Sum 41 songs from All Killer, No Filler)
Nothing On My Back
Over My Head (Better Off Dead)
Screaming Bloody Murder (the only single that did well on their newest album)
Walking Disaster
It's What We're All About (ft. Kerry King of SLAYER)
The Bitter End (this song sounds like Metallica. it's crazy how thrashy this pop-punk band gets. When this record, "Chuck", was released I would play this song for some of my metal friends and they'd make guesses... nobody ever thought it was Sum 41)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivhYJ8OONo0

Malkorum
06-01-2014, 07:27 PM
really hope it's Tom Petty , his body of work is immense.

I checked out that documentary on him that was mentioned on some other thread on this forum (Runnin' Down a Dream) and that was exactly what I thought when it was over. What a career he's had. Someone in the documentary mentions that he could probably play a two hour concert and many people would be able to sing along the whole time.

I feel bad for anyone who's job it is to pick 3-5 songs from that body of work :)

Marauder359
06-01-2014, 07:48 PM
I checked out that documentary on him that was mentioned on some other thread on this forum (Runnin' Down a Dream) and that was exactly what I thought when it was over. What a career he's had. Someone in the documentary mentions that he could probably play a two hour concert and many people would be able to sing along the whole time.

I feel bad for anyone who's job it is to pick 3-5 songs from that body of work :)

Very true... needs an expansion pack.

Moodyblues57
06-01-2014, 08:05 PM
False Statement.

That being said, I really don't like Tom Petty. (Beside Free Falling, and I won't back down)
And I'm a huge fan of SUM41.

So, there you have it. It will be Tom Petty.

I think my yearning to buy a DLC, which would be the case if it is Tom Petty and most definitely not if it is Sum41, jinx will trump yours. In any case, my bet is that one of us is going to be disappointed on Tuesday!

CrazedRacer
06-01-2014, 08:10 PM
I checked out that documentary on him that was mentioned on some other thread on this forum (Runnin' Down a Dream) and that was exactly what I thought when it was over. What a career he's had. Someone in the documentary mentions that he could probably play a two hour concert and many people would be able to sing along the whole time.

I feel bad for anyone who's job it is to pick 3-5 songs from that body of work :)

Glad you got to see that. Pretty amazing that they had actual footage of the first time they all left and went to California to make music... I saw them live a few years back on the Mojo tour (won tickets for writing a 100 word essay on their website) from the second row. After I picked my bottom jaw up, I just sat spellbound all evening. These guys are such amazing musicians in their own right - and when they're all together, it really is something to watch.

For anhone that likes TP&H (or just wants to watch one of the best rock and roll documentaries ever made), you should check out "Runnin' Down a Dream"...

LetMeInIdiots
06-01-2014, 09:02 PM
I'm always a little shocked to hear that people from other countries have not heard of a lot of the DLC.
Coz a lot of DLCs' artists are "widely known among small societies", why wonder?..

Restless_Diesel
06-01-2014, 11:32 PM
I could go with some Petty; other choices for me would be "You Got Lucky" or "Don't Come Around Here No More". Another space-themed option could be "Children of the Sun" by Billy Thorpe. But that's just one song.

Steel_Nirvana
06-02-2014, 12:22 AM
Coz a lot of DLCs' artists are "widely known among small societies", why wonder?..

Not our fault if you don't recognize a legendary band when you see it! :D

Moodyblues57
06-02-2014, 01:00 AM
Not our fault if you don't recognize a legendary band when you see it! :D
Right you are, Steel. Right you are!
http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_400/MI0001/647/MI0001647349.jpg?partner=allrovi.com

zaxcv4321
06-02-2014, 01:06 AM
Another space-themed option could be "Children of the Sun" by Billy Thorpe. But that's just one song.

I always wondered who would win in a street fight between Billy Thorpe and Billy Squier.

surfrodeo
06-02-2014, 01:22 AM
I always wondered who would win in a street fight between Billy Thorpe and Billy Squier.

If you'll recall this video, I'd have to say that it'd be Thorpe. Easily.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR0j7sModCI&feature=kp

I was reading something about this video a few years back. Lots of people seemed to think it kind of ruined his career. The main reaction from other people in the music industry was, What were they thinking?

Kynlore
06-02-2014, 01:23 AM
For anhone that likes TP&H (or just wants to watch one of the best rock and roll documentaries ever made), you should check out "Runnin' Down a Dream"...

It's kind of long, but its definitely good.

Moodyblues57
06-02-2014, 01:33 AM
I always wondered who would win in a street fight between Billy Thorpe and Billy Squier.
I just Binged their respective images. In a street fight between Billy Thorpe and Billy Squier, my money is on the street.

Dizzyg12
06-02-2014, 01:35 AM
On that date, folk singer bob gibson died. He had songs that were recorded by limeliters, simon and garfunkle, Peter Paul and Mary, Smothers brothers among others.

Maybe a Folk pack?

Amara_Tamlin
06-02-2014, 02:57 AM
http://i.imgur.com/p6G2q8L.jpg

That looks like the Eskimo Nebula. The Eskimo Nebula is farther away than the lunar farside. Ergo, Dark Side of the Moon, ergo PINK FLOYD!

Right?

Aw....

The_Working_Man
06-02-2014, 03:25 AM
You've probably heard some of their songs and just assumed that it was blink-182.

I will admit I'm guilty of assuming that all the "Word-Number" (named) bands were all of the same genre, and after hearing Blink-182 it just seemed simpler to ignore all the rest as well. Who knows? If this week's DLC turns out to be Sum-41 then maybe some of the songs they pick will be catchy enough to give them a shot.

Edit: Nevermind. I just watched the video for Fat Lip and now remember that Sum-41 was actually the band that convinced me that I was better off avoiding the "Word-Number" genre altogether. Were they a parody band for Blink-182? I thought Blink was already a parody band for Green Day, and Green Day one for the British punks to start with.

BazzTard61
06-02-2014, 03:42 AM
speaking of Billy Thorpe, in the 70s he kept getting arrested in Melbourne for swearing on stage. A judge told him "you can't go around saying fu@k on stage"

So he wrote a song called 'You can't go around saying fu#k on stage" sang it first song, got arrested,again, told the judge he wasn't swearing, it was a musical performance, and the judge agreed hahaha CLASSIC !

Restless_Diesel
06-02-2014, 04:32 AM
That looks like the Eskimo Nebula. The Eskimo Nebula is farther away than the lunar farside. Ergo, Dark Side of the Moon, ergo PINK FLOYD!

Right?

Aw....

Actually, my initial thought was that it looked a little like the cover to Meddle. But Floyd's never gonna happen.

Restless_Diesel
06-02-2014, 04:35 AM
I just Binged their respective images. In a street fight between Billy Thorpe and Billy Squier, my money is on the street.

My first response would have been Thorpe, but you make a solid point.

MistaSnowman
06-02-2014, 06:18 AM
Dan's clue looks A LOT like this album cover....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/07/TomPettyDebutCover.jpg

Thus I think Tom Petty DLC is a-comin.'

DanAmrich
06-02-2014, 07:37 AM
I just Binged their respective images. In a street fight between Billy Thorpe and Billy Squier, my money is on the street.

LOL. That one got me. :)

Someone here in this thread figured it out, by the way...

DanAmrich
06-02-2014, 07:44 AM
IDan is probably yanking his hair out trying to figure out how he is gonna stump this group for more than an hour or 2

I am continually impressed. Not all the puzzles are intended to be stumpers -- realistically, most of these have only been one or two steps to get to the endgame -- and I don't put the same amount of energy and effort into making all of them. I do have a list of unconnected ideas and structures on my desk, along with some reference books. I try to make the puzzle fit the content but I don't always have the time or information to do that.

But I don't think a puzzle that is unsolvable is a fun puzzle, so I do build them with an eye toward people finding the answer and feeling rewarded if they do. But yes -- those answers have repeatedly been found far, far faster than I anticipated! :)

CrazedRacer
06-02-2014, 12:46 PM
LOL. That one got me. :)

Someone here in this thread figured it out, by the way...

Don't be a tease, Dan. :)

BazzTard61
06-02-2014, 02:03 PM
I thought you said you'd acknowledge a correct guess?

or was your statement more cryptic?

daddy_felix
06-02-2014, 02:23 PM
Not our fault if you don't recognize a legendary band when you see it! :D

he said the L-word!!!!


I thought you said you'd acknowledge a correct guess?

Dan does not comment "wild guesses", even if they are correct. Maybe the ridle was not solved the correct way

rcole_sooner
06-02-2014, 03:22 PM
This image just popped up on Space.com ... Super Nova 1006 .. also written as SN 1006.

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t1.0-9/10373646_10152133225816466_4788179621465899174_n.j pg

SN 1006 ... Saturday Night Live 10/06/2012 featured Muse.

So my guess is Muse ... but I'd rather have Tom Petty.

The songs were Madness and Panic Station ... I dunno if we have those already or not.

daddy_felix
06-02-2014, 03:25 PM
So my guess is Muse ...

I strongly doubt that since they already have a five-pack.

rcole_sooner
06-02-2014, 03:30 PM
I know ... but figured I'd throw my weak detective work attempt in the ring :p

... I hope it is Tom Petty.

JakeSeattleX19
06-02-2014, 03:47 PM
If it was sn 182 I'd know what it is. (And not the obvious). But this one has got me puzzled to the connection of sn 185...

Bubba-HoTep27
06-02-2014, 04:30 PM
Billy Squire?? Is it as simple as SN185 or Sat Night Live episode 185

rcole_sooner
06-02-2014, 04:36 PM
Billy Squier would be cool, and I agree the SN 185 does look closer than SN 1006.

Billy Squier has also previously been mention ... so it is a possibility.

ghmorello
06-02-2014, 05:03 PM
French FB Page confirmed that it's Sum 41. You mad old people?

zaxcv4321
06-02-2014, 05:06 PM
French FB Page confirmed that it's Sum 41. You mad old people?

Never mad about DLC. That would just be silly!

BTW, you too will be old some day. Enjoy it while you can, my son....

ghmorello
06-02-2014, 05:07 PM
Never mad about DLC. That would just be silly!

BTW, you too will be old some day. Enjoy it while you can, my son....

I was referring to the radical Classic Rock fans who hate anything modern.

fredyellowone
06-02-2014, 05:08 PM
I was referring to the radical Classic Rock fans who hate anything modern.

Only Gene Simmons is like that.

Moodyblues57
06-02-2014, 05:09 PM
French FB Page confirmed that it's Sum 41. You mad old people?

That is beyond insulting.

fredyellowone
06-02-2014, 05:12 PM
That is beyond insulting.

I agree that the "you mad old people" was very innapropriate.

But I'm really happy with Sum41. I hope Pieces will be in there. I really like that song.

zaxcv4321
06-02-2014, 05:13 PM
Some day, you will turn your nose up at your grandchildren's vapid musical tastes, and say "back before you had your hybrid French-Rap-Contemporary-Country-Dubstep, we listened to SUM 41, and were just FINE with our upper-middle class Canadian power chords!":)
(Note, the smiley emoticon is there to help diffuse the folks who take tings a little too seriously. It is the best way to play tennis on both sides of the net!)

Let's relax. It is ok to poke fun at one another.

ghmorello
06-02-2014, 05:13 PM
That is beyond insulting.

How is it insulting?

fredyellowone
06-02-2014, 05:15 PM
How is it insulting?

You mad expression is always insulting.

TJ_Wylde
06-02-2014, 05:16 PM
Haha i don't know if 30 is "old" enough to feel insulted. But i did see them at a concert of theirs about 13 years ago. And i have to admit that even though not a "fan" initially they where pretty cool and that lead guitarist does know his stuff and is (or was idk about these days) very skilled as a musician.

So i do look forward to it. If anything these faster songs are also great stamina training wile actually playing a song :D.

Edit: dang i just looked up Dave Baksh and saw he left Sum41 in 2006. Really hope it will be some of their earlier songs now.

Kynlore
06-02-2014, 05:17 PM
I was referring to the radical Classic Rock fans who hate anything modern.

Oh how I've missed the genre insulting posts.

Why do you have to be a such a tool? Just post the confirmation and leave any comment about anyone else preferences out of it.

Moodyblues57
06-02-2014, 05:18 PM
How is it insulting?
Are you seriously saying that you can't see how saying,
You mad old people might be insulting to some people?

jluc1810
06-02-2014, 05:18 PM
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/23/1401725781-capture-png-hggh.png

Oldmanjoe505
06-02-2014, 05:20 PM
How is it insulting?

When you are old enough to pay rent, you'll learn what respect means.

Glad you are happy with the DLC. It gives me another week off of UBI forums, so I'm good to go.

toymachinesh
06-02-2014, 05:20 PM
Brown Sound \m/

dm_gsxr
06-02-2014, 05:23 PM
Hmm, a bunch of guys hurling I'm guessing. A new style of music??

Carl

slabossiere
06-02-2014, 05:26 PM
So, here I am, finally able to catch up on this thread and having a good time with the speculation and sleuthing that's on the go, when... BLAM! We find out what it is, proceeded immediately by shots fired and the genre bashing begins. <slow clap/> Right on. Is there a facepalm emoticon?

I would have preferred Petty, and I'm not even sure if I'll get the Sum 41 songs, but considering I've had a few weeks of excellent DLC that still has me working away at getting any good at them, then I'll just be happy for the guys that will enjoy S41.

Stoopid_Trippin
06-02-2014, 05:30 PM
I'm stoked about this and really hope all the DLC is older stuff. The band went downhill fast after Brownsound left(Listen to the album Chuck to hear his playing at its best.) I'm sorry to all those who wanted Tom Petty but another day I guess. Tom Petty for me would have been something new because i have never learned his stuff outside of rocksmith. Hes got some cathcy songs but a lot of them are kinda boring to me but thats just my opinion.

Kitty_13.
06-02-2014, 05:35 PM
Well that will be another pass on DLC since it's Sum 41...

So.. can we get started on next week's clue? Just make it super hard and let us have it early : D

toymachinesh
06-02-2014, 05:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKsQe31ApMs

^ confirmed


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoC3PUBmhFs

pretty much guaranteed (intro, solo, great riffs)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Nov0HUKsEo

plz

fredyellowone
06-02-2014, 05:40 PM
Is there a chance for Pieces?

toymachinesh
06-02-2014, 05:46 PM
Is there a chance for Pieces?

oh man, I hope so. I really like that song

DanAmrich
06-02-2014, 06:19 PM
I thought you said you'd acknowledge a correct guess?

Nope! I said:


If this proves too difficult, I will offer some assistance or additional clues.

While I had another one or two in mind, none were needed -- the answer was found by the third page!

Well spotted AngelicClock (first to notice the date) and kaviar94 (first to determine the source image, and then link it to Sum 41). I got slammed with work on Thursday, which is usually when I polish and finalize the clue, so I sort of had to do a ready-fire-aim with this week. Not as complex as I wanted it to be and I was afraid the image would be too obscure, but there you have it -- nothing is ever too obscure (or obscured) for this group. Hopefully you had some fun regardless.

I can now confirm that this will be a five-pack. Keep debating and place your bets! And not that it matters, but this old guy ain't mad -- I generally really enjoy pop-punk as a genre and I eagerly bought Sum 41's first two albums, but that's just my personal taste and has nothing to do with the DLC selection process.

The desire for Tom Petty is noted (and personally shared -- Mike Campbell is a fantastic player), but please don't forget to request specific songs through the app: bit.ly/rsrequests (http://bit.ly/rsrequests)

DanAmrich
06-02-2014, 06:24 PM
So.. can we get started on next week's clue? Just make it super hard and let us have it early : D

Going to brainstorm on it today and hopefully come up with a good structure.

ghmorello
06-02-2014, 06:28 PM
Uh oh, it's a 5 song pack. Here comes the complaining in the FB and YT comments.

toymachinesh
06-02-2014, 06:30 PM
I can now confirm that this will be a five-pack.

**** just got real

kaviar94
06-02-2014, 06:32 PM
Alright if it's a five pack my guesses are:
Fat Lip
In Too Deep
Makes No Difference
Pieces
We're All To Blame

TJ_Wylde
06-02-2014, 06:44 PM
Well i just gotta go with what i know then from back in their earlier days.

Fat Lip
Still Waiting
In To Deep
The Hell Song
Motivation

And i would trade any of those for We're All To Blame if that one happens to make it.

elemenohpenc
06-02-2014, 06:56 PM
If it's a Sum 41 pack, I'm guessing:
Fat Lip (although I already know how to play it)
In Too Deep (already know it)
Motivation (this was on-disc for GH: Warriors of Rock)
Hell Song
Still Waiting

all 5 of these songs were singles from their two most successful records in the US (All Killer, No Filler and Does This Look Infected?).

Wildcards:
Handle This (one of my fav Sum 41 songs from All Killer, No Filler)
Nothing On My Back
Over My Head (Better Off Dead)
Screaming Bloody Murder (the only single that did well on their newest album)
Walking Disaster
It's What We're All About (ft. Kerry King of SLAYER)
The Bitter End (this song sounds like Metallica. it's crazy how thrashy this pop-punk band gets. When this record, "Chuck", was released I would play this song for some of my metal friends and they'd make guesses... nobody ever thought it was Sum 41)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivhYJ8OONo0

prediction post bump now that things are starting to be confirmed.

if a cake 5 pack came with Stickshifts & Safetybelts, I don't see why a Sum 41 pack couldn't include The Bitter End.

jluc1810
06-02-2014, 06:58 PM
I hope it will be available on the psn europe

toymachinesh
06-02-2014, 07:03 PM
It will... Along with Slash

KinchBlade
06-02-2014, 07:13 PM
These will be fun - another purchase for me. Of stuff I don't have time to play...

Moodyblues57
06-02-2014, 07:15 PM
Confirmed: another week, another non-purchase. Early in the thread, I really thought I had a chance this time. I guess I should just avoid this forum and so avoid the weekly frustration. If a DLC is ever released that holds any interest to me, I will find out after the release within the game.

as_uninvited
06-02-2014, 07:30 PM
I liked Fat Lip the first time I heard it due to the Beastie Boys vibe it had. But Sum 41 is not a band I have any interest in for a guitar game. And they're far too similar to many other alt/pop/punk artists Rocksmith is flooded with. No buy for me. But that's nothing new. To date, for RS14, I've only purchased last weeks Anastasia and the Aerosmith pack from January. Beyond disappointed in the weekly releases. But that's just my opinion and tastes. I'm happy for those out there finding their desires fulfilled with the DLC's.

Malkorum
06-02-2014, 07:45 PM
I had never heard of this band, being too old to want to listen to the radio, or music television or where ever kids get exposed to new music these days (once the iPod came out that was pretty much the last time I listened to most anything that wasn't already in my playlist or recommended by someone I knew until I discovered Rocksmith) .

After checking out the linked youtube videos (the first one doesn't appear to be available in Europe but it is trivial to find another copy that is) I have to say I like them. One of the cool things I have found with Rocksmith is this discovery of new music (or music I may have missed) and then being able to learn to play the guitar (hopefully soon bass) parts. Brilliant! All of the different styles I feel helps my playing (I'm expecting this to be another power chord left hand cramp fest) so really I don't think there is any bad DLC. Also weeks I skip I don't have to get that look from the missus about my out of control guitar spending so really it's win-win either way for me.

So here's another old geezer who isn't mad :)

Dmonster4
06-02-2014, 07:51 PM
:( I was really hoping for some Tom Petty. :(

Would have been far more interesting to learn on guitar...

All those bands like Sum 41 and Blink 182 etc sound the same to me. But that's just my taste and opinion.

Great for people who wanted it but for this week. SKIP. :(

RSDAVE
06-02-2014, 07:55 PM
I know a band called Level 42, but not one called Sum41

toymachinesh
06-02-2014, 08:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCBMK0dfjhk&amp;feature=youtube_gdata

solidwhitemike
06-02-2014, 08:12 PM
Not a huge Sum41 fan but being from Toronto I hear them on the radio often and their songs are catchy and should be fun to play. I think I will be in on this one. I have purchased dlc every week except 1 (mastodon) since I purchased the game on March 16 so I am pretty happy with whoever is selecting content at Ubi. Keep up the good work!

fredyellowone
06-02-2014, 08:21 PM
:( I was really hoping for some Tom Petty. :(

Would have been far more interesting to learn on guitar...

All those bands like Sum 41 and Blink 182 etc sound the same to me. But that's just my taste and opinion.

Great for people who wanted it but for this week. SKIP. :(

Just wanna play the devil's advocate for a moment.

One could argue that The monkeys, The Animals, The Byrds, The Kinks, The Rolling Stones and the Yardbirds are all sounding the same.

IMO, the problem is not with Sum 41 (which I like) or 311 (which I don't like)
IMO, the problem is the lack of variety. We had The Doors (1960's), and Garbage (1990's) and then 50 bands from the 2000's.

Dmonster4
06-02-2014, 08:39 PM
Just wanna play the devil's advocate for a moment.

One could argue that The monkeys, The Animals, The Byrds, The Kinks, The Rolling Stones and the Yardbirds are all sounding the same.

IMO, the problem is not with Sum 41 (which I like) or 311 (which I don't like)
IMO, the problem is the lack of variety. We had The Doors (1960's), and Garbage (1990's) and then 50 bands from the 2000's.

Yeah, totally agree with you. Too much songs from the 2000's (not that the 2000's didn't spawn some good music) and too much from the same genre.

I just get all those kind of bands mixed up because they sound the same to me and I showed that near the start of the thread mixing up Blink 182 and Sum 41.

I just had my heart set on Tom Petty. :(

spacecowboy73
06-02-2014, 08:46 PM
I just get all those kind of bands mixed up because they sound the same to me and I showed that near the start of the thread mixing up Blink 182 and Sum 41.


I've known quite a few people that thought Sum 41 songs were by Blink 182.

tjdrico
06-02-2014, 08:46 PM
I've heard of Sum 41, but to be honest I don't know much about their sound or songs. Will check out the selection tomorrow though, because Wikipedia says they're punk/pop punk, and that should work for me.

BTW, toymachinesh why do you keep seemingly posting random Rocksmith advert videos?

Edit: Oh, just checked back and both of them now seem to be Sum 41 videos. I guess the forum is set to display Rocksmith ads in place of the actual videos sometimes. Wouldn't be so bacd, but I already bought the bloody thing, and I'm signed in with my registered account, so the forum could work out that I don't need to see a Rocksmith ad. :wall:

Danny-Ramone
06-02-2014, 09:06 PM
<snip>

BTW, toymachinesh why do you keep seemingly posting random Rocksmith advert videos?

Edit: Oh, just checked back and both of them now seem to be Sum 41 videos. I guess the forum is set to display Rocksmith ads in place of the actual videos sometimes.<snip>

Ads? We have ads on the forum? :D

tjdrico
06-02-2014, 09:16 PM
Ads? We have ads on the forum? :D

Take this post as an example:

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/885367-Dan-s-clue-for-6-3-DLC?p=10011077&viewfull=1#post10011077

Now I see 3 Sum 41 videos. The first time I looked at it, the first two were Fat Lip and In Too Deep, but the third was a Rocksmith YouTube video.

With "plz" underneath it, which confused me. I've had at least three instances of this, where I'm seeing one of the RS ad videos rather than the one that should be there.

Maybe it's because I'm running ABP. Haven't bothered to look at what the Javascript is doing, but TBH it wouldn't surprise me. I also have a Stylish custom stylesheet to make the forum more readable, but that shouldn't interfere AFAIK.

Edit: looking at the dev tools in my browser, the only things that have been blocked are addthis.com and Google analytics. So it doesn't seem like I'm blocking any ads.

Dmonster4
06-02-2014, 09:33 PM
I've known quite a few people that thought Sum 41 songs were by Blink 182.

So it's not just me that thinks they all sound the same! :D

toymachinesh
06-02-2014, 09:41 PM
I almost want to disable ABP just to see that

DanAmrich
06-02-2014, 09:48 PM
IMO, the problem is the lack of variety. We had The Doors (1960's), and Garbage (1990's) and then 50 bands from the 2000's.

Well...maybe not 50... :) A lot of the recent material has been in the last two decades, for sure (Matchbox Twenty and Cake and offered a mix of both 90s and 00s; there was also a 90s singles collection) but you've missed a few examples of recent older material. After The Doors, the following week was the Boston pack and the single of Heart's "Crazy On You" (both 70s). Dylan offered more 60s content four weeks after that. But I do get your point --the bulk of music found in the DLC collection lately has been stuff from 1990 forward, and you'd like to dip back in the past a bit more.

b.waaah
06-02-2014, 09:50 PM
I'm actually looking forward to this as long as the dlc features songs off the first 3 Sum 41 albums, back when they had Dave Baksh on lead guitar. The dude was heavily influenced by Megadeth and Iron Maiden, and the guitar work shows in the songs... should be fun. :D

DanAmrich
06-02-2014, 09:54 PM
So it's not just me that thinks they all sound the same! :D

I think that's the nature of a genre -- the similarities define it, and also help it gain a foothold with people who like those sounds.

I'd offer Blink-182, Green Day and Bad Religion as the three biggest/most successful/genre-defining pop-punk bands. I also bought albums by New Found Glory, Bowling for Soup and of course Me First & the Gimme Gimmes. They definitely share stylistic approaches.

TJ_Wylde
06-02-2014, 10:10 PM
Dan.. How could you name Bad Religion and Me First & the Gimme Gimmes but forget to name Pennywise and Reel Big Fish in the same post :p

OT. i do agree. the fact that they are all in the same "style" is exactly why i love it so much. It's not all played exactly the same but you just know that you'll love the next song at least almost as much as you did the last. At least that's it for me though. Plus for some reason pop/ska-punk always feels so "happy" to me. Just one big happy party.

Dmonster4
06-02-2014, 10:16 PM
Yeah, the fact that they are all in the same 'style' is exactly why Sum 41 and Blink 182 etc aren't my cup of tea. :D

toymachinesh
06-02-2014, 10:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgrWORtiyjw

don't mind me

kingratt
06-02-2014, 10:33 PM
French FB Page confirmed that it's Sum 41. You mad old people?

I bet you wear skinny jeans.

OneKnownAsImp
06-02-2014, 10:35 PM
I seem to be the only one hoping that "With Me" will be in this pack. I guess that song is a lot less popular than I'd assumed... : /


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8z-qP34-1Y

CrazedRacer
06-02-2014, 10:37 PM
French FB Page confirmed that it's Sum 41. You mad old people?

LOL... You mad that I've spent months learning songs that I'll actually play live? Just in the last week, I've been polishing the acoustic arrangements that I want to use when I have a chance to do the local open mic.

I was certainly excited about Tom Petty (I share Dan's comment - Mike Campbell is a FANTASTIC lead guitarist), but I have plenty to learn without going back into RS for a while. I'm sure eventually the DLC will turn back to a more classic vibe and I'll likely buy something - but not Blink 41 Greenspring - or whatever this week is. :)

CaliCasey
06-02-2014, 10:37 PM
I too am a fan of Dave Baksh. He used to do a cool bit during their shows where he'd have the audience yell out bands and then play a song by the most popular band being shouted out. There was also a show where the metal god himself Rob Halford came onstage and declared Sum 41 the future of metal. For Rob to say something like that he must have seen their potential which was apparent, too bad the lead singer has problems with Alcohol and couldn't focus on the music. To his credit he says he has had a life changing experience after his kidneys and liver gave out on him a week ago and will not drink anymore. Anyways, looking forward to their 5 pack.

Zooropa_Station
06-02-2014, 10:38 PM
I like Sum 41, and i know the issue with licensing, but a 5 pack for them makes the 3 pack for Green Day seem criminal. I know some bands want new stuff in these games, but X-Kid was already on disc, and Oh Love is one of the most boring songs off of the ~38 song trilogy. I just hope to see something regarding American Idiot's 10th birthday later this year, and hopefully better representation of classic punk. So far, we just have Blitzkreig Bop and some of The Clash - no Dead Kennedys, Sex Pistols, etc... (Am I missing anything, AFI aside?)

That said, I'll still probably get this pack, just wanted that off my chest.

Cheers.

extendedsolo
06-02-2014, 10:42 PM
Wow this is taking me back to high school with these songs. something to purchase one day :)

tha lulz
06-02-2014, 10:52 PM
I can't agree with the "they all sound the same" comments but I get it.

Blink was more pop and quite a few years older than Sum 41 at their apex; so their content was different.

extendedsolo
06-02-2014, 10:54 PM
I can't agree with the "they all sound the same" comments but I get it.

Blink was more pop and quite a few years older than Sum 41 at their apex; so their content was different.

I don't agree with those comments either. It would be like someone saying "all of those old blues players sound the same". Yeah superficially, but once you really listen you notice the differences.

DanAmrich
06-02-2014, 10:59 PM
Dan.. How could you name Bad Religion and Me First & the Gimme Gimmes but forget to name Pennywise and Reel Big Fish in the same post :p

I didn't want to cut and paste a Wikipedia page. :) But I think you could also throw The Offspring in there...and SR-71, and... :)

DanAmrich
06-02-2014, 11:00 PM
I don't agree with those comments either. It would be like someone saying "all of those old blues players sound the same". Yeah superficially, but once you really listen you notice the differences.

Fair point. So many blues guys use the same 12-bar structure, or small variations on it -- yet there's a lot of interesting things that can happen within that framework, and plenty of difference between different players.

DanAmrich
06-02-2014, 11:05 PM
I like Sum 41, and i know the issue with licensing, but a 5 pack for them makes the 3 pack for Green Day seem criminal.

I don't recommend taking the number of tracks as a value judgement of the band. We get what we can, and while five is always preferred from bands with large catalogs and/or influence, three songs is what we'll take if we can get them. Three is always more than zero. :)

tha lulz
06-02-2014, 11:10 PM
Three is always more than zero. :)

This logic may be bulletproof :p

Dmonster4
06-02-2014, 11:27 PM
As much as I complain about not liking DLC for like 6 weeks now, I am super-duper grateful for the support that Rocksmith gets DLC-wise.

b_lex
06-02-2014, 11:36 PM
Then the odd four pack makes an appearance with Alter Bridge. I can't think of any other four packs.
It has been my favourite dlc since Maiden - how did that arrive as a four pack?? 5 and 3 packs seemed consistent.

DanAmrich
06-03-2014, 12:08 AM
This logic may be bulletproof :p

I wondered if, just once, I could say something in the forums that everyone could agree on. :)

DanAmrich
06-03-2014, 12:09 AM
Then the odd four pack makes an appearance with Alter Bridge. I can't think of any other four packs.
It has been my favourite dlc since Maiden - how did that arrive as a four pack?? 5 and 3 packs seemed consistent.

Whatever we can get permission to create, we create. Same logic as above: Four was more than three. :)

DanAmrich
06-03-2014, 12:09 AM
As much as I complain about not liking DLC for like 6 weeks now, I am super-duper grateful for the support that Rocksmith gets DLC-wise.

Thanks. There are some interesting things coming in the pipeline for the rest of the year. You may be happy yet. :)

toymachinesh
06-03-2014, 12:10 AM
then the odd four pack makes an appearance with alter bridge. i can't think of any other four packs.
it has been my favourite dlc since maiden - how did that arrive as a four pack?? 5 and 3 packs seemed consistent.

afi :)

b_lex
06-03-2014, 12:30 AM
afi :)

ahh yes, another great pack. Still playing them frequently

dougybongy
06-03-2014, 01:07 AM
"Sum 41 began as a NOFX cover band'... that's what wikipedia says..
And i'm a bit surprised a lot of bands get named to describe that pop/punk rock genre, like Greenday, Blink 182... and nobody mentioned NOFX..:confused:
NOFX has always been the top of that genre IMO...
So i have a question for Dan : what is the proper spell for NOFX on the request app?:D NOFX or N.O.F.X? cause we can see both on their official website..
i think i'm gonna buy one or two of Sum 41, "we're all to blame" sounds pretty good, i hope it will be in the pack..

DanAmrich
06-03-2014, 01:36 AM
So i have a question for Dan : what is the proper spell for NOFX on the request app?:D

If the band spells it consistently as NOFX -- four capital letters, no punctuation -- that's what I'd recommend. http://www.nofxofficialwebsite.com/ shows it the way you've typed it.

dougybongy
06-03-2014, 01:41 AM
Thanks Dan!
next work for me : make a selection of NOFX songs to request..:D

King of Sting20
06-03-2014, 02:38 AM
NOFX would be cool, next time around I will submit a request as well.

Not sure if this is in a sticky anywhere...but do we have to include a song as well as a band? I mean, for us "old people" that enjoy artists with huge catalogs...I would be happy with say...any Elvis Costello, Dire Straits or any Petty...etc, etc...

And I mean I will definitely cherry pick from this weeks DLC, Hell Song seems like a good time, can't say I was ever into Sum41 as much as others...but happy for those who are!

cordite_crow
06-03-2014, 02:55 AM
prediction post bump now that things are starting to be confirmed.

if a cake 5 pack came with Stickshifts & Safetybelts, I don't see why a Sum 41 pack couldn't include The Bitter End.

I so hope it does.

RSDAVE
06-03-2014, 03:17 AM
Well...maybe not 50... :) A lot of the recent material has been in the last two decades, for sure (Matchbox Twenty and Cake and offered a mix of both 90s and 00s; there was also a 90s singles collection) but you've missed a few examples of recent older material. After The Doors, the following week was the Boston pack and the single of Heart's "Crazy On You" (both 70s). Dylan offered more 60s content four weeks after that. But I do get your point --the bulk of music found in the DLC collection lately has been stuff from 1990 forward, and you'd like to dip back in the past a bit more.

Great, Dan... I see you are able to get subtle hints here and there. Doors pack was released 3 months ago, so I have to say: about ****ing time!

TJ_Wylde
06-03-2014, 04:27 AM
"Sum 41 began as a NOFX cover band'... that's what wikipedia says..
And i'm a bit surprised a lot of bands get named to describe that pop/punk rock genre, like Greenday, Blink 182... and nobody mentioned NOFX..:confused:
NOFX has always been the top of that genre IMO...
So i have a question for Dan : what is the proper spell for NOFX on the request app?:D NOFX or N.O.F.X? cause we can see both on their official website..
i think i'm gonna buy one or two of Sum 41, "we're all to blame" sounds pretty good, i hope it will be in the pack..

Oh that's a great idea. I actually never tried them thinking that it wouldn't have a chance haha. I'll put in a song request for BoB, Linoleum, Cokie the clown and Stickin' In My Eye. Damnit now i feel like doing some freestyle boarding (snowboarding). Really an awesome idea you had there :D

Edit: just went to the facebook page. Did they remove the request app? Cause i don't see it anymore..

toymachinesh
06-03-2014, 05:36 AM
Oh that's a great idea. I actually never tried them thinking that it wouldn't have a chance haha. I'll put in a song request for BoB, Linoleum, Cokie the clown and Stickin' In My Eye. Damnit now i feel like doing some freestyle boarding (snowboarding). Really an awesome idea you had there :D

Edit: just went to the facebook page. Did they remove the request app? Cause i don't see it anymore..

http://bit.ly/rsrequest

TJ_Wylde
06-03-2014, 05:49 AM
http://bit.ly/rsrequest

Thanks Toymachinesh. I'll bookmark it so i'll always have it in reach :) Still doesn't show up on the normal page for me though. Oh well this also works :D

Greenbrick2
06-03-2014, 06:25 AM
French FB Page confirmed that it's Sum 41. You mad old people?

No. Us people with anything resembling taste are mad. There's crappy old stuff too!


So it's not just me that thinks they all sound the same! :D

I was just asking the IRC channel whether it is better to be like AC|DC, to have only one song, but one GOOD song, or two be Sum 41, and have two songs, neither of which are good. (Or you could be The Ramones and just play one pattern over and over and be awesome anyway.)


Fair point. So many blues guys use the same 12-bar structure, or small variations on it -- yet there's a lot of interesting things that can happen within that framework, and plenty of difference between different players.

Except where they don't, yes, plenty of things could happen while staying in the same style. :)

DaveSpoons
06-03-2014, 08:03 AM
Despite not having a lot of enthusiasm for the other "number" bands at the time I loved "all killer, no filler", so I'm really excited to see this DLC, still slightly disappointed we didn't get anything from their alter ego's though ;)

Gold_Jim
06-03-2014, 12:19 PM
I wondered if, just once, I could say something in the forums that everyone could agree on. :)

Now that, we can all agree on. (?) :D

tmitch45
06-03-2014, 12:42 PM
If a band has already appeared as DLC does this mean there is little chance of any future DLC from that band?

rcole_sooner
06-03-2014, 01:34 PM
No, of course not.

But it is unlikely they would release the same band "close" together. It seems we had a Muse release since the release of RS14, so if there are more of them, they would probably be way back in rotation.

I, of course, have no way to really know any of that ... it was just a wag.

Zooropa_Station
06-03-2014, 02:15 PM
If a band has already appeared as DLC does this mean there is little chance of any future DLC from that band?

Unless I'm mistaken, another Foo Fighters DLC is in the works.

elemenohpenc
06-03-2014, 02:47 PM
I can't agree with the "they all sound the same" comments but I get it.

Blink was more pop and quite a few years older than Sum 41 at their apex; so their content was different.

I think anybody that will take a couple minutes and look at the charts for these Sum 41 songs will realize that they've got way better chops than the likes of Blink 182, Green Day and The Offspring.

Dare I say better chops than AFI? Weezer? the only other pop-punkish bands that come to mind as DLC. It'd be close on those ones... but the first three, oh yeah... Sum 41 is def more talented than them*.

*this is strictly from a "guitarist" standpoint. Travis Barker, Tre Cool, and Mike Dirnt are all better than their Sum 41 instrument counterparts.

FragDaddy34
06-03-2014, 03:05 PM
' and you'd like to dip back in the past a bit more. ' By Dan

Yes PLEASE! :)

The_Working_Man
06-03-2014, 04:05 PM
So it's not just me that thinks they all sound the same! :D

Who hasn't confused *NSYNC with Backstreet Boys or 98 Degrees? Whether the bands are truly similar or not, the record companies certainly capitalize on a popular trend by finding bands which sound similar enough to the consumers.

rabbitts
06-03-2014, 06:13 PM
Us people with anything resembling taste are mad.
+1

Just listened to the Sum41 selections on Facebook since I'd never heard of this band. Repetitive, hackneyed, derivative......the musical equivalent of a sit-com laugh track.

DanAmrich
06-03-2014, 08:12 PM
Us people with anything resembling taste are mad.

Do you have headphones that still rest comfortably when your nose is high in the air? :)

Taste is subjective. The music that you think is mundane, repetitive, and worthless inspires other people to pick up and play.

All this use of "good" and "bad" music -- as if they are empirically proven points of data instead of perfectly normal variances in personal preference -- is a load of hogwash. It's also exhausting.

There's a big old world of music out there; not all of it is going to resonate. It's not called Greenbricksmith. :)

Moodyblues57
06-03-2014, 08:34 PM
To be clear, what I took offense at in the following statement was the snarky "old people" reference, as if "old" is a bad thing. What the hell does age have to do with whether someone likes a particular musical genre or not? Why even bring age into it? I couldn't care less what some snot-nosed young punk's musical tastes are!:rolleyes:

French FB Page confirmed that it's Sum 41. You mad old people?

toymachinesh
06-03-2014, 10:23 PM
ghmorello just likes to start arguments for no reason.

rockerjonz
06-03-2014, 10:58 PM
Do you have headphones that still rest comfortably when your nose is high in the air? :)

Taste is subjective. The music that you think is mundane, repetitive, and worthless inspires other people to pick up and play.

All this use of "good" and "bad" music -- as if they are empirically proven points of data instead of perfectly normal variances in personal preference -- is a load of hogwash. It's also exhausting.

There's a big old world of music out there; not all of it is going to resonate. It's not called Greenbricksmith. :)

I am one of those people that Dan is talking about, i'm absolutely craptastic at playing guitar but i purchased the Rocksmith 2014 guitar bundle solely because of the Iron Maiden DLC pack. Even playing a few notes correctly and hearing myself hitting the right notes brings a certain smile to my dial.

Allot of the dlc that comes out i am not interested in BUT it is absolutely astounding what Ubisoft are doing with their commitment to this game. Admittedly i rarely play the game (damn you BF4) but i am constantly browsing in these forums.

solidwhitemike
06-04-2014, 02:56 AM
+1

Just listened to the Sum41 selections on Facebook since I'd never heard of this band. Repetitive, hackneyed, derivative......the musical equivalent of a sit-com laugh track.

Well while all us simpletons are having fun playing DLC I hope you are having fun on your high horse with no DLC. Get over yourself already. How about you share some of your music for us to critique.

MoldyRhyme94061
06-04-2014, 04:16 AM
Sum 41 pack is a lot of fun on bass!!

elemenohpenc
06-04-2014, 04:45 AM
Sum 41 pack is a lot of fun on bass!!

It certainly is.

Lead tracks are also really fun. Not super hard but, they def require a little attention to perfect.

Steel_Nirvana
06-04-2014, 09:13 PM
Well while all us simpletons are having fun playing DLC I hope you are having fun on your high horse with no DLC. Get over yourself already. How about you share some of your music for us to critique.

Why is it a personal insult if someone else doesn't like your music? It doesn't mean you can't like it and buy it and play it.

dallasdave22
06-04-2014, 09:39 PM
I had never heard of the B'z, but love playing Juice.

You gotta give new things a try every now and then.

I think that's the common thought on here (and TRR).

Don't like this week's DLC? That's fine because next week there's another pack coming out!!! I remember when DLC was every other week and the waiting then was awful :)

toymachinesh
06-04-2014, 09:39 PM
People are more interested in complaining about people complaining about the DLC then talking about the DLC lol

DanAmrich
06-04-2014, 09:42 PM
Why is it a personal insult if someone else doesn't like your music? It doesn't mean you can't like it and buy it and play it.

Agreed -- solidwhitemike, don't take it personally. He's listened to the material (which is better than dismissing it without hearing it) and has a strong viewpoint, but we all have to accept that opinions will differ.

DanAmrich
06-04-2014, 09:42 PM
People are more interested in complaining about people complaining about the DLC then talking about the DLC lol

QFT even though it makes me SMH

Steel_Nirvana
06-04-2014, 09:46 PM
Omg

Edit: Okay, Dan, how did you fool autocorrect into letting you have more than one capital letter in a row?

DanAmrich
06-04-2014, 09:54 PM
Omg

Edit: Okay, Dan, how did you fool autocorrect into letting you have more than one capital letter in a row?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2GD-OK2KCc

rabbitts
06-04-2014, 10:31 PM
Do you have headphones that still rest comfortably when your nose is high in the air? :)

Taste is subjective. The music that you think is mundane, repetitive, and worthless inspires other people to pick up and play.

All this use of "good" and "bad" music -- as if they are empirically proven points of data instead of perfectly normal variances in personal preference -- is a load of hogwash. It's also exhausting.

There's a big old world of music out there; not all of it is going to resonate. It's not called Greenbricksmith. :)

Don't pick on Greenbrick -- It was my critique -- a critique based in an extensive classical background. So while my nose may be "high in the air" it has the educational bona fides to support it. My issue, Mr. Amrich, is with the arguably myopic view of what constitutes the "rock" of rocksmith. Why is it that metal falls under that rubric and country (rockabilly), funk, Motown, disco does not? What about Cat Stevens -- who was just elected to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame -- or similar "softer" rock (e.g.Simon and Garfunkle)? From what I've seen on these forums, 16 y.o. white males are not your majority marketshare, so why is the DLC so often geared towards them? Does Rocksmith truly share market with Halo/CoD? I doubt that or that it even mirrors that of GuitarHero. Adolescent males may be the most vocal in terms of requests (as they are the most vocal generally) -- but I think they might be drowning out a silent majority (or if not a majority -- certainly a demographic with the income to purchase the DLC).

I admit I may be wrong in terms of your actual sales figures -- as I said I was primarily basing my opinions on informal data from the forums which seems to skew 30+.

ETA: I would also argue that songs which do little more than bang quarternotes in 4/4 time are not good songs. Mary Had a Little Lamb, while popular, is not "good" music.

toymachinesh
06-04-2014, 10:34 PM
I'm pretty sure not very many 16 year old white males listen to Sum 41. We all grew up to be 27-30 year old whtie males:P

dallasdave22
06-04-2014, 10:58 PM
Omg

Edit: Okay, Dan, how did you fool autocorrect into letting you have more than one capital letter in a row?

WHy CAN't yoU HAVE more than ONE capITAL LETTER at a tiME?

rabbitts
06-04-2014, 10:59 PM
That's why I used the term hackneyed -- there is a "Sum41" for every 16 y.o..

Look, I've never commented on the DLC before -- and have purchased quite a bit of it even from bands I'd never heard of (Cake was a pleasant surprise). But I have lurked in these forums for months and have often heard people say that certain bands/styles would never be included bc they are not "rock" and the game is called "Rocksmith." I just think a case can be made for a broader definition. Just listen to JerryC's Canon and tell me that wouldn't qualify (and the rights should be easy Pachelbel is in the public domain). If there's a guitar and/or a bass it should be fair game :)

toymachinesh
06-04-2014, 11:04 PM
have often heard people say that certain bands/styles would never be included bc they are not "rock" and the game is called "Rocksmith."

Do what I've done since 2005... Ignore those people and disregard their predictable statements

Zooropa_Station
06-04-2014, 11:10 PM
ETA: I would also argue that songs which do little more than bang quarternotes in 4/4 time are not good songs. Mary Had a Little Lamb, while popular, is not "good" music.

You should enjoy Biffy Clyro, then. Especially with their less recent albums, they've messed around with time signatures like no other.

solidwhitemike
06-04-2014, 11:16 PM
Why is it a personal insult if someone else doesn't like your music? It doesn't mean you can't like it and buy it and play it.

I am not personally insulted. I am not a Sum 41 fan. Other than this pack I do not own a Sum 41 song in any medium. I just get annoyed when someone tries to pull out the superiority card by thrashing others. Its fine if he doesn't like the music but its clear that he thinks only an idiot would listen to it. At least that is how I interpret his comment. If I were in his shoes and I didn't like the music (for instance the mastodon DLC) I would have said "I listened to the music and it didn't suit my taste so I will pass". I would NOT have said "I listened to it and these guys just scream and rip off old metallica ****. I would liken it to the sound I make when I fart after eating a burrito with extra hot sauce". Those are not my views at all but that is a similar type of comment that he made although much funnier. I just wouldn't post that kind of thing to make my self appear superior.

rabbitts
06-04-2014, 11:22 PM
they've messed around with time signatures like no other.

Then I'd get in trouble for complaining about the lack of time signature on the note highway (which really needs to be added for anything not 4/4).


toymachinesh -- you are right -- just hard not to respond once in awhile...

rabbitts
06-04-2014, 11:33 PM
I am not personally insulted....I just wouldn't post that kind of thing to make my self appear superior.

Yes, you can just talk about me in the 3rd person so you make yourself sound superior. I have a right to my critique and how I worded it. Every week I hear people complain about how they don't like the challenge songs. We are all allowed an opinion. BTW, yours is only funnier to the "I like fart jokes" crowd -- I was going for a simile to emphasize the lack of innovation and reliance on a canned audience.

solidwhitemike
06-04-2014, 11:41 PM
Yes, you can just talk about me in the 3rd person so you make yourself sound superior. I have a right to my critique and how I worded it. Every week I hear people complain about how they don't like the challenge songs. We are all allowed an opinion. BTW, yours is only funnier to the "I like fart jokes" crowd -- I was going for a simile to emphasize the lack of innovation and reliance on a canned audience.

I was responding someone else. That's why you are referred to in the 3rd person. You have a right to say whatever you want. Its the way you said it that bothered me. Its really the sitcom laugh track comment that rubbed me the wrong way. You are basically inferring that only idiots would listen to their music. Its one thing to say you don't like the music but its another to question their fans. Can you not see the difference?

solidwhitemike
06-04-2014, 11:45 PM
Also not good internet forum etiquette to paraphrase someones quote and then respond to it.

DanAmrich
06-04-2014, 11:53 PM
Why is it that metal falls under that rubric and country (rockabilly), funk, Motown, disco does not?

Actually, I would agree with you that all those genres fall under the category of rock. Rocksmith DLC currently includes Parliament, Chic, Otis Redding -- a good start but definitely in the minority numbers of the library. There's nothing to say that it can't include disco and country in the future. So while the content that currently exists does not reflect a wider taste, it does not restrict it either. You might be pleased with some of the stuff that's currently in development for the coming months, actually.


From what I've seen on these forums, 16 y.o. white males are not your majority marketshare

The forum is not the larger representation you're suggesting. I agree with your thumbnail that the forums skew toward adults, and adults definitely do have disposable income. But realistically, Rocksmith 2014 has more than a million players. There are far fewer people in this forum! I always feel the forum is a concentrated group of people who care more than most of the larger audience -- but they are not always representative of the requests, desires, or particularly buying habits of that larger audience. I have to consider both. So to look around to a few dozen or even a few hundred people and say "this is a majority, listen to the 200 people here instead of the 1 million people out there" simply isn't the best viewpoint.

I love it when Rocksmith can step outside and say "here's a side genre you might not have expected." Our creative director is fanatical about offering as much variety as possible. But what is possible? We also have to look at what sells, and if we have data that says "that didn't sell," then it's very difficult for any of us to return to that well. I happen to personally love funk. I said "I really enjoyed the funk pack, can we do more?" And the response was "Well, it'd be nice, but it didn't sell so well." I was sad to hear that, but I also understood the reality of the answer. People really do vote with their wallets.

That does not stop us from putting out things like funk and soul; we will only know if they work by trying them. It can't be a catch-22 where "we can't sell it unless we put it out" and "we can't put it out because it won't sell." But we also have to pick those genre experiments -- and the timing of those experments -- carefully.

Also, while a lot of teenagers pick up the guitar -- I was in high school when I did, and while I don't have any data on it, purely anecdotal evidence from google searches suggest mid-teens to early 20s is a fairly popular window -- the songs from the 90 and 2000s would do today's 14-year-olds little good. Sum 41 was popular in 2002; are they going to be moved or inspired by music from when they were two years old? Or is it going to appeal to people who heard that music in high school, now have jobs and money, and are approaching their mid-20s or early 30s? Math says it's the latter. (I say this even as I think about how someone recently complained that we don't put any current songs in the game -- like, music that is popular right now...which would appeal to modern 14-year-olds.) [Edit: it took me so long to write this reply that toymachine beat me to this long-winded point, and said it more eloquently]


I would also argue that songs which do little more than bang quarternotes in 4/4 time are not good songs.

Is that worth arguing? :)

I think what I'm about to say will make sense, because you put the word "good" in quotes above: You can't track "good." That is, we can look at chart positions -- was a song played a lot on the radio? Was it in the top 10 when it was new? Did the single or album hit certain sales milestones like Gold or Platinum? We can look at YouTube hits, or Spotify plays, or a bunch of things beyond just a group of people in a room or on a forum saying "I want this song in the game." Through the requests app (http://bit.ly/rsrequests), we DO factor in a group of people who care enough to say "I want this song in the game" -- in fact, we had yet another discussion about request app data today, and referred back to the latest data for insight -- but it's one of several things we look at.

We can say "that song is popular" or "that song has a lot of requests" because those are things that can be measured, without bias. We cannot say "that song is good and here's why" nor can we say "that song is different, so it will sell well." So you can't track good -- it's too subjective and doesn't really help anybody's arguments, including our own internal ones!

It sounds terribly mercenary when I put it this way, but DLC costs money to create, and those costs need to be recouped. I'm surrounded by people, right now, working to pay the rent. Offering popular, mainstream, recent music as DLC doesn't make us oblivious or dismissive; it makes Ubisoft a company that can sustain its success. We're making a game for anybody who wants to learn to play guitar -- but sales numbers do not lie, and there are a lot of players who say they want mainstream rock, then back it up by purchasing that content when it arrives. It's not all we do, but it's a good chunk of it, and I don't think we should have to apologize for that.

Song selection is going to be explained in a more elaborate manner soon, and I hope you find those answers satisfactory when they arrive. But I don't want anybody to think that we choose music the way we do because it simply hasn't occurred to us to do it any other way, or worse, that it's just a bunch of people going "This is what I want in the game and never mind all the other factors." We have musicians, composers, arrangers, and guitar teachers on staff -- we're well aware that a larger world of music exists, and we will continue to try to give that world exposure through Rocksmith. But that doesn't make mainstream rock evil in the meantime, you know?


Mary Had a Little Lamb, while popular, is not "good" music.

Cue the angry Buddy Guy & SRV fans in three, two... ;) (I know what you meant.)

rabbitts
06-05-2014, 12:01 AM
Solidwhitemike -- So you are saying that only idiots watch sitcoms? No, I'm talking about genres of music that rely on formulaic conventions instead of risk and innovation (the headbanging quarternote where everyone -- drummer, guitar, bass -- lands on the beat in unison to appeal to some primal adolescent angst). It's been done before ad infinitum. I have the same issue with a lot of rap -- where if it weren't for the sample stolen from a real artist -- you couldn't tell one from another. AND We see the same thing in Hollywood blockbusters -- regurgitated plots -- Transformers VIII. Just compared to the Cake song pack with its variety -- to me its night and day. So I was bemoaning the pabulum from the music industry. If people like the style -- fine -- hell I have some Britney Spears and n'sync on my Ipod.

toymachinesh
06-05-2014, 12:04 AM
That's sad news about the funk pack but I understand why it didn't sell too well. There's way better (IMO) funk songs to be licensed for a guitar/bass game