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MichaelMar
09-08-2004, 11:25 AM
The single set IL2 or the 2 seater? I know there are other planes more suited for air combat but of the IL2 which of these is better?

When it comes to ground pounding my guess both of these will do fine but I tend to feel that for air combat the single seat IL2 is the better...seems to be faster, turns easier and allows more view.

THX

MichaelMar
09-08-2004, 11:25 AM
The single set IL2 or the 2 seater? I know there are other planes more suited for air combat but of the IL2 which of these is better?

When it comes to ground pounding my guess both of these will do fine but I tend to feel that for air combat the single seat IL2 is the better...seems to be faster, turns easier and allows more view.

THX

PBNA-Boosher
09-08-2004, 11:27 AM
Single seat IL2's can do good combat with the 109E's and G's, but struggle a bit with the F series. The 2 seaters carry extra weight but they do pack a giant punch. I would either recommend the IL2 3rd series OR the IL2I, a heavy fighter.

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Da_Godfatha
09-08-2004, 11:30 AM
As a Onwhine IL-2 driver, take a two-seater. Keep low so they can't get under you and weave. Unless you get a controls-damaged hit, you stand a good chance of winning.

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MichaelMar
09-08-2004, 11:37 AM
DaGodfatha:

So, the way to win with the IL2, my guess is any series, is to stay low? I am a new player and get owned using the IL2. For I was mainly flying the 2 seater and NOT staying low. Then I tried the single seater and had better sucess.

So, no matter what type IL2 one should try to stay low to the ground?

THX

BRASSTURTLE
09-08-2004, 11:56 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MichaelMar:
DaGodfatha:



So, no matter what type IL2 one should try to stay low to the ground?

I only fly offline, but I generally operate the IL2 UNDER 50m in the combat zone. If you can see the tops of the trees, you are TOO HIGH http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
09-08-2004, 11:59 AM
the best thing you should do with an IL-2 is fly with a wingman. Using "Drag n Bag" me and my squadmates have scored many a kill online.

Just in case you're not sure what I mean, you have your wingmate fly maybe 200-300m away off your 3 or 9 o'clock. This way you can watch his six, and he can watch yours far easier (although it's tough with the lack of rearward view, unless you go to the gunner).

When your wingie is being attacked, and if he is sitting on your 3 o'clock, you should pre arrange the tactic, so that he will always slow break to the right 180 degrees when he is attacked. This slow turning lumbering great big thing should prove tempting to most online pilots, and he will attempt to follow and press home the attack. What he doesn't know is that you turned sharply to the right to get onto his six, and are lining up a nice cannon shot from a couple hundred metre's away!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

Fire yer guns, and if you are flying a IL-2M or later model, you will blast any fighter out of existence with yer 2x23mm!!, and then off you go again, turning 180 back on course to your target.

Also, stay low, below at least 200m is what I would say, and do not attempt to climb, only maneuvre in the horizontal to throw off the pursuing fighter's aim.

If you don't have a wingman, you are best to avoid contact, which means looking at the map, seeing where you are, seeing where you wanna go, and then you basically find a suitable "long" way round, out of the way of the most likely area of operations for the fighters (i.e. where the furball is).

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TgD Thunderbolt56
09-08-2004, 12:05 PM
I beg to differ. Most Axis pilots look for the IL2's down low and if they spot you (and are packing a mk108) you're toast.

I like the single-seater and take it up to 3k. LOL...I wish I could see the look on their face when they get a head-on by my IL2 way up there. It's a decent B&Z'er and can turn with the best of them. You don't want to get caught inbetween. That's certain death in most cases.

Low is good for the 2 seater (especially given the presence of your rear gunner), but the single seat version operates best with considerably more altitude in my experience.

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JG50_Blazin
09-08-2004, 12:14 PM
The IL2 is slow, climbs poorly, bad acceleration, bad in the dive, and it has poor visibility. What it does have are awesome wing cannons with tons of ammo, a good view ahead for aiming with in all models, heavily armored, and most have a tail gunner. With those in mind I agree with tooz that the drag and bag meathod is prefered if your going to use them for air to air combat. In single player mode your in a lot of trouble since the AI isnt too helpful and use of a wingman isnt reliable at all. You can try flying in the weeds to get out but I wouldnt cruise along the entire time down there, pass over a couple 88mm flak guns by accident and they're likely to toast you! I generally work around at 1,000m watching for air contacts and trying to get to the target avoiding as much ground fire as possible. Never liked using IL2s for hunting 109s or 190s, if I fly a ground attack plane that's all I want to do, ground attack. The il2 fighter version is only good at busting bombers in my opinion and it's not that great at it either, rather take a p39 for that given a choice.

F19_Ob
09-08-2004, 12:18 PM
In my opinion the single seat il-2 1941 3'rd series is the best dogfighter.(about a ton lighter than 2 seaters)it also had the better 23mm cannons aswell as fastfiring mg's.

The best 2 seater is the type 3 1943, I'm not sure what differs these from the earlier and later doubleseaters but I seem to maneuver better in it and it still have the 23mm cannons and mg's wich are much better for selfdefense than the 37mm cannons.

There is a later single seater with 2 cannons only but its too late in time to be effective even for selfdefense.
I would chose the doubleseater any day.

The best tactic is to have altitude (atleast 1500-2000m) because u can always convert altitude for speed and maneuverability. On the deck u are more on the disadvantage (my opinion) because u'll run out of energy real fast when doing evasives, and the possibility to fight back is limited.
With some altitude u can also use the clouds to hide in. When high U can even sometimes bounce an enemy shoot him down.


The first maneuver I do when bounced is to bunt (push stick forward) and If I know where the bouncer is I try to climb after him.
Its often difficult but on occasion u hit him in the climb. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

F19_Ob
09-08-2004, 12:21 PM
hmm...I must be a really slow typer....all these guys answered while I was working on it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

p1ngu666
09-08-2004, 01:58 PM
hmm
2 main ways, on the deck so u arrive at target sooner, good for coop's

or u climb on route to target, which i tend todo.
surprise a few lufty fliers http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif.

and if your in a fight, maxium attack
full power all the time (unless u goin for overshoot or sumin) 120% mix, and take every shot u can

and use teamwork if u can

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tttiger
09-08-2004, 02:12 PM
I agree with Plng. If you're fying in a Coop against human pilots, figure out the cloud level and stay there en route to the target (obviously, this does no good in evading the All-Seeing AI). Use whatever concealment you can get. On the deck, you are very easy to spot.

Which Sturmo?

For sure, the Field Mod (1941 Model 3 I think it's called in the game, a designation I can find in none of my reference books) is the best (which doesn't mean it's really good).

It's light, fast, maneuverable (compared to the other Sturmos) and the twin .30 tail gun is very nasty and effective, much better than the single .50.

If you're flying the Sturmo specifically to dog fight, well, you shouldn't be flying a Sturmo.

But, as a last ditch effort, it can be effective.

Drag and Bag works best in a large fight. Let the 109 get fixated on another Sturmo and go after him with those .23mms (the first and second model 1941s have only 20mms, btw, not nearly as effective).

If you're one on one against a 109, run and jink like mad. You aren't going to win a dogfight. The odds are highly in your favor he will run out of his limited cannon ammo long before he does any real damage. Once he's down to only MG it will take a very lucky shot to bring you down. Drag him to the nearest friendly ack.

If you concentrate on surviving, you usually will make it home. If you get a kill, great! But, if not, that's not what you are flying it for in the first place.

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Jaws2002
09-08-2004, 02:43 PM
In shooting other planes the best way is to get the loooong route and get to their base from behind when they are rearming.
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WTE_Galway
09-08-2004, 06:04 PM
i tend to fly at about 10 metres when down low ... only problem with the down low scud running approach is the evil, IL2 eating, magic, invisible from the ground, trees that make up most of the heavier forest areas, especially when skimming ridge tops

WUAF_Badsight
09-08-2004, 08:02 PM
tttiger needs to shush about the Feild mod . . . . .

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Red_Russian13
09-08-2004, 08:34 PM
I used to kill a lot of stuff (off line) with the IL-2. But I tried recently, and was terrible. I just couldn't fly her anymore. I guess I need some practice. Lot's of firepower and good turn rate. Roll rate isn't half bad either I dont' think.

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p1ngu666
09-08-2004, 09:20 PM
or u could attack the enemy fighters in your il2
works well if u have a group of good il2 drivers

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tttiger
09-08-2004, 10:37 PM
LOL, BS http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Classified info? Anyone who used to fly with Hangar (where has he gone????) in his Coops has seen what a well-handled Field Mod can do http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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