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hughlb2
06-18-2004, 11:52 PM
Just been looking around on the Luft '46 site and wow, the number of unconventional designs the German's had on the drawing board is quite incredible.

I for one would like to see a future expansion pack for BoB bringing some of these designs to reality. Perhaps a pack similar to the Ace Expansion Pack of FB with around ten or fifteen varied designs.

I can imagine the problems associated with designing the flight models for aircraft that never flew and also the problem of people accepting these aircraft online, but look at FB, it has done it to a large extent already with the "UFO's" we currently have in the game, so I think its a viable idea.

What do people think?

-Ok, before you say it sux, look at my following post, because I didnt explain myself well in this onehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[This message was edited by hughlb2 on Sat June 19 2004 at 03:13 AM.]

hughlb2
06-18-2004, 11:52 PM
Just been looking around on the Luft '46 site and wow, the number of unconventional designs the German's had on the drawing board is quite incredible.

I for one would like to see a future expansion pack for BoB bringing some of these designs to reality. Perhaps a pack similar to the Ace Expansion Pack of FB with around ten or fifteen varied designs.

I can imagine the problems associated with designing the flight models for aircraft that never flew and also the problem of people accepting these aircraft online, but look at FB, it has done it to a large extent already with the "UFO's" we currently have in the game, so I think its a viable idea.

What do people think?

-Ok, before you say it sux, look at my following post, because I didnt explain myself well in this onehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[This message was edited by hughlb2 on Sat June 19 2004 at 03:13 AM.]

WOLFMondo
06-19-2004, 02:54 AM
I'd rather have real planes that really flew and made a contribution first.

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DmdSeeker
06-19-2004, 03:01 AM
A thousand times no!

Not in the BoB.

ASM 1
06-19-2004, 03:05 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/351.gif it would make no sense to have such a thing in BOB....http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif or rather given the timeframe of BOB - 40 -41 it wouldnt make any sense, whereas in FB, the end of the war is covered if you like, so these "Luft '46" are perhaps more viable - and are in their proper context.

An ME 262 in 1941? Pullease http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

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S 8
06-19-2004, 03:26 AM
I think the word "overmodelled" would be.......well,overmodelled in this forum.(if it´s not already is? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

Dunkelgrun
06-19-2004, 03:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hughlb2:
Just been looking around on the Luft '46 site and wow, the number of unconventional designs the German's had on the drawing board is quite incredible.

I for one would like to see a future expansion pack for BoB bringing some of these designs to reality. Perhaps a pack similar to the Ace Expansion Pack of FB with around ten or fifteen varied designs.

I can imagine the problems associated with designing the flight models for aircraft that never flew and also the problem of people accepting these aircraft online, but look at FB, it has done it to a large extent already with the "UFO's" we currently have in the game, so I think its a viable idea.

What do people think?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


BoB = Battle of Britain 1940.
Why would Luft46 be added to that?

Oleg has said that the game engine for BoB will be used for further expansion, but if it is to be done logically there is so much more to come first, e.g. the Med.

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ploughman
06-19-2004, 03:41 AM
I really think Oleg & Co. will begin with BoB and then move forwards, chronologically, through WWII, with Med, East Front, Pacific, and European Air War expansions using the BoB engine. The BoB will just be the begining of a great series of WWII flight sims. I understand there's a Poland '39 add-on in developement (a prequel!) and have heard rumours of some blitzkrieg in the west type add-on in development too. Maybe after all that there'll be a Luft '46, in half a decade or so from now, lots of great stuff to look forward to for all our wives, I'm sure.

I think I'll need a bigger computer.

VF-17_Jolly
06-19-2004, 04:03 AM
OH Please god NO...... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

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hughlb2
06-19-2004, 04:04 AM
Ok, perhaps I should explain myself a little better.

Basically I could have said I would like to see an entirely new game based around end-of-war aircraft and perhaps I should have, I chose to say "expansion pack" because this seemed a more realistic way of making this idea happen in light of the fact I doubt Oleg will ever make an entirely new game around aircraft that never flew.

Obviously I agree that it would f*ck up BoB if they tried to combine the two. I also agree that addons featuring the Med/North Africa would be vitally important to the game and should be of primary focus.

I just felt that since 1C is the best and really only combat flight sim developer of late and BoB is there next game, an expansion pack would be the easiest and quickest way of getting us into the cockpit of these aircraft.

I can see how the idea sux as an addon and a standalone game would be preferable, I hope you can see where i'm comming from now.

k5054
06-19-2004, 04:12 AM
I hate LW46. It's a trick to get the real planes of RAF46 and USAAF46, Vampire, Meteor, P-80, P-72 and so on, which were real and had their true advantages and faults, against any daft back-o'the-envelope Nazi scheme which anyone can find or claim to have found whether it had workable engines or MG213 guns or whatever. I expect most Allied designers ditched their envelopes from this period when it emerged how silly they were.
LW freaks just want to get their Ta183 (which was never going to be as good as MiG-15) vs old dogs like the Meteor.

But that's just me.

Capt.England
06-19-2004, 05:11 AM
I say yes as I'm getting bored with run of the mill type planes from history. What is wrong with people who don't like the early post war years? You should just look at some of the designs the allies had on their drawing boards before 1950 before you all say that the German designs were daft and/or uber!!

269GA-Veltro
06-20-2004, 02:06 AM
BoB, MED, EAST, PACIFIC, WEST, WW1, Korea ecc. ecc......and after 1946.

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JZG_12-Blitz
06-20-2004, 02:10 AM
Well the first me 262 flew in 1941 i think,

Franzen
06-20-2004, 02:24 AM
Hughlb2, you have to take into consideration that if we were to receive these planes we would missout on the ones that really counted. For example we got the Go229, 109z, YP-80, and the bratwurst rocket. What these represent to me are four missing planes. While the modellers were making those they could have been making planes that really made a difference and flew and/or actually saw combat missions. Modellers don't grow on trees. I think time and a lack of modellers will always limit the real planes. Everytime someone asks for a 46' a simmer cries. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

Fritz Franzen http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Franzen
06-20-2004, 04:22 AM
BTW, I'd love to see Luft 46' planes and Allied X planes but not in a WW2 sim.

Fritz Franzen

Cajun76
06-20-2004, 06:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JZG_12-Blitz:
Well the first me 262 flew in 1941 i think,<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Google is pretty cool, and free.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Me-262
First Flight July 18, 1942(Turbojets) April 4, 1941 on Jumo 210 piston engines; Me 262A-1a June 7 1944; First Delivery (A-0 to Rechlin) May 1944; first experimental combat unit (EK 262) June 30, 1944; first regular combat (8/ZG26) September 1944

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/me262.html


As far as Luft46, most of these a/c would never actually fly. Take some of the more radical Blohm und Voss stuff. Some of those offset tails are so great that to try to pitch the a/c would also most likely result in roll as well.

http://www.luft46.com/bv/bvp111.html


One note on some of these advanced designs of the Luft46: Desperation fuels innovation. The reason some outstanding Allied designs weren't used or produced was because there was no need. The XP-47J and P-47M (delve loped mid-1943) being prime examples of a/c that were available, but not produced in large numbers because a/c already in production (P-47D) were getting the job done well.

http://home.att.net/~historyzone/Seversky-Republic7.html

Just too much doodles on napkins for a lot of that Luft'46. You want some of those, there are guys at M$ CFS series that can model those 'a/c'. Let Oleg concentrate on the real stuff. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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SUPERAEREO
06-20-2004, 07:25 AM
If you want a Tie Fighter buy this.

http://www.lucasarts.com/games/swgalaxies_lightspeed/images/key_art.jpg


Luft'46 planes never left the drawing board, let them rest in peace.

S!



"The first time I ever saw a jet, I shot it down." - Chuck Yaeger

"Ja, Hunde, wollt ihr denn ewig leben?" - Friedrich der Große

"Timeo Danaos, et dona ferentes" - *neid

Cajun76
06-20-2004, 07:52 AM
I want some Allied'46 designs....

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v30/Cajun76/robotech_03.jpg

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v30/Cajun76/robotech_04.jpg

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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What if there were no hypothetical questions?

SUPERAEREO
06-20-2004, 08:04 AM
Yeah, something like this:

http://hoarmurath.free.fr/images/thefarcebewithyou.jpg

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S!



"The first time I ever saw a jet, I shot it down." - Chuck Yaeger

"Ja, Hunde, wollt ihr denn ewig leben?" - Friedrich der Große

"Timeo Danaos, et dona ferentes" - *neid

Aaron_GT
06-20-2004, 12:02 PM
What I'd like is something along the lines of X-plane (only simpler, so I can make it all work without becoming an expert in 3D modelling). E.g. some studio in which we can make our own Crison Skies type designs and fly them against each other with FMs that reflect what the designs would really be like, It would be a blast.

Snuffy_Hadden
06-20-2004, 12:27 PM
For the love of history and everything else that is holy. NO! BoB does not need any of these fantasy planes, especially the Axis planes. If you compare the plane lists you'll find more damned Axis, (read German) planes than any other country.

For once lets let the developers make a historically accurate flight sim, keep the "I Want" planes out of it and let them concentrate on making the historical planes as accurate as they possibly can be. IL2/FB/AEP/ETC. has gone down hill as far as performance and flyability and everything else because of some percived notion by those that have never flown a single combat fighter in actual combat whining over the fact that the plane they so dearly cling to is not as superior as they thought it should be and so all the other planes are nerfed because of the whiners.

I for one want Oleg and crew to ignore the whines and crys of the BOB community and stick with what he knows and what he finds from history on this build.

PLEASE Mr. Maddox ... Give us history not pissin in the wind. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

darkhorizon11
06-20-2004, 12:39 PM
Okay I do dig a lot of the Luft 46 ideas but I think BoB is the wrong premise for it. If they really plan on going up to 46 or 47 and adding tons of planes there better off putting em in a new patch or a seperate Luft 46 addon for AEP. I think BoB is focusing more on the British, French, and the Mediterraean during the early war years.

dadada1
06-20-2004, 01:58 PM
Not really appropriate in a simulation centred around the RAFs finest hour!