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LoyalACFan
05-10-2014, 01:22 AM
I mean, I know the actual Hashashin didn't use them a thousand years ago, but people have made them in real life, and it doesn't seem unlikely that somebody came up with the idea before Assassin's Creed. After all, Travis Bickle had a Hidden Gun long before Ezio did

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131102011034/avp/images/1/10/TDguntest.jpg

Just wondered if the idea was copyrighted/trademarked by Ubi, because I was considering using something similar in something I'm currently writing.

Edit- to clarify, I'm just trying to figure out whether a hidden-blade-like device would be public domain, or if it's specific enough to be covered by AC copyright.

guardian_titan
05-10-2014, 01:57 AM
For the Americans who watch it, NBC airs a show called Grimm on Friday nights. In one episode, the main character Nick wore a hidden blade. The show writers call it a vambrace and don't say hidden blade, but that's effectively what it is. I can't find a video clip of Nick showing off how the vambrace works, but the episode is easy enough to find.

http://grimm.wikia.com/wiki/Vambrace

Unless Ubisoft wanted to sue NBC for using what's effectively a hidden blade, I very much doubt they have it copyrighted or trademarked. The episode aired like 6 months ago and not a peep out of Ubisoft on copyrights. Ubisoft also hasn't gone after Fox for showing Assassin's Creed on a poster (they didn't even change the title) in The Simpsons along with various other appearances of AC in various other media, so I really don't think Ubisoft really cares too much. If you try to claim ownership, they might get pissy at you, but as long as you state where the idea came from somewhere, they'll likely leave you alone.

But somehow, I don't think the hidden blade is really that unique of a concept. People come up with crazy ideas when they want to kill someone. Look at weapons prison inmates craft to kill someone. The hidden blade idea has probably been around for a while much like how da Vinci thought of the glider, etc centuries before one was actually usable. Look at the various weapons in AC across the board. Who knew the gunblade was real until Edward got one in AC4? Turns out they were real weapons. Cane swords, umbrella guns, etc. Hidden weapons aren't new.

LoyalACFan
05-10-2014, 02:25 AM
For the Americans who watch it, NBC airs a show called Grimm on Friday nights. In one episode, the main character Nick wore a hidden blade. The show writers call it a vambrace and don't say hidden blade, but that's effectively what it is. I can't find a video clip of Nick showing off how the vambrace works, but the episode is easy enough to find.

http://grimm.wikia.com/wiki/Vambrace

Ha, that's hilarious. It's almost exactly the same thing.

Thanks for the info!

HDinHB
05-10-2014, 05:26 AM
The old gun up the sleeve trick is a staple in Westerns, mostly used by riverboat gamblers. I don't know if they were historically accurate, but I wouldn't be surprised. The oldest one I found a video of was from a 1960s TV show called The Wild Wild West (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058855/?ref_=nv_sr_2) (at about 1:14):


http://youtu.be/fXCaFoXwrwo?t=1m12s

As for inventing the hidden blade, it looks like Ubisoft was beaten to the punch (stab?). At 5:55 is a clip from Marathon Man (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074860/?ref_=nv_sr_1) (1976)


http://youtu.be/fD-aURN_avk?t=5m54s


Can anyone find any older?


PS: I tried to use the youtube links so the videos would start at the indicated times, but they still start at 0:00. Anyone know how to do that?

cawatrooper9
05-10-2014, 06:36 AM
There's a similar weapon in the Buffy/Angel series by Joss Whedon.

Sushiglutton
05-10-2014, 12:17 PM
As for inventing the hidden blade, it looks like Ubisoft was beaten to the punch (stab?). At 5:55 is a clip from Marathon Man (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074860/?ref_=nv_sr_1) (1976)


http://youtu.be/fD-aURN_avk?t=5m54s

Wow great find!

GunnerGalactico
05-10-2014, 12:19 PM
Ubisoft had to get their inspiration from somewhere :cool:

marvelfannumber
05-10-2014, 12:25 PM
http://i.imgur.com/qZid5eD.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UnjVlUj.jpg

I can't be the first one who thought of this.

ze_topazio
05-10-2014, 12:27 PM
Retractable blades/weapons have been a staple of fiction since forever.

TDAssassino
05-10-2014, 01:05 PM
http://i.imgur.com/q2sufcp.png

I found this in S06E17 of South Park which episode aired in 2002 I think. :) Funny 'cause Jesus wears a white robe and a red shawl, same colours as Alta´r's robes :D

HDinHB
05-10-2014, 06:00 PM
I found this in S06E17 of South Park which episode aired in 2002 I think. :) Funny 'cause Jesus wears a white robe and a red shawl, same colours as Alta´r's robes :D

If you hadn't put the date, I would have assumed it was a parody of AC. All Ubi did was replace the halo with a hood. :p


I found another clip from the Marathon Man hidden blade. I'll try posting the link with the start time and see if that works better.
Parental Advisory: There will be blood! (and there may be an ad) http://youtu.be/6nWWM8tTn84?t=1m45s

Locopells
05-10-2014, 06:52 PM
There's a similar weapon in the Buffy/Angel series by Joss Whedon.

'cept it's made of wood - I remember pointing that one out, when I first watched Angel (along with laughing at everyone having trouble with this 'new' mobile phone tech...I was kinda late to the Buffy party...).

BATISTABUS
05-10-2014, 07:07 PM
http://threerowsback.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/django_unchained_jamie_foxx-pistol-quentin_tarantino.jpg

darthjantom
04-01-2015, 05:10 PM
Sorry for resurrecting an old tread, but I was just watching an episode from the A-Team and it also featured a hidden blade.

The A-Team - Season 3: Episode 19: Moving Targets (1985)

The bad guy, a rebel leader from an unnamed North-Western African country uses the hidden blade twice in the episode, near the beginning at (9:25) there is a nice closeup of the hidden blade after which he uses it to kill an innocent candle, and near the end of the episode (39:20) he uses it to attack Hannibal.


https://youtu.be/be-QJxpkWUs?t=9m25s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be-QJxpkWUs

micksith
04-01-2015, 06:07 PM
An old James Bond film featured a hidden 'shoe' Blade .... Ubisofts latest innovation for Shao Jun in AC chronicles (close qtr martial arts combat from Tenchu most likely) Nothing is Original Everything Copy/pasted

Democrito_71
04-01-2015, 06:45 PM
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k123/MorwennaMC/marathon2.jpg

The Nazi Villain from the film "The Marathon man" in 1976 had a real hidden blade which he actually killed with
(not for real since it's a movie but anyway...)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074860/

The_Kiwi_
04-03-2015, 12:31 AM
http://i.imgur.com/q2sufcp.png

I found this in S06E17 of South Park which episode aired in 2002 I think. :) Funny 'cause Jesus wears a white robe and a red shawl, same colours as Alta´r's robes :D

I was going to post this if no one else did
I remember the episode well
"Red Sleigh Down"

king-hailz
04-03-2015, 02:09 PM
Well the real assassins used a technique where they would put the dagger up the sleeves... I read it somewhere.

darthjantom
04-08-2015, 02:57 PM
I found another device very similar to the hidden blade.

Knight Rider - Season 3: Episode 20: Knight in Retreat (1985)

The bad girls have a wrist mounted device, similar to the hidden blade, that shoots a stream of electricity.
I can only find a teaser on youtube but you can see the device at (0:26).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rhfzGjKZuM

waynedavies89
04-08-2015, 07:03 PM
There is no such thing as an original idea. Very idea and concept has already been done by now, each being inspired or adapt from other ideas.

The idea or concept of a "Hidden Blade" can't really be trademarked, but a unique design or look can. So if the "Phantom Blade" turn up on an episode of CSI or The Musketeers for example, and the design looks exactly like that from Unity (symbols, engravings, wooden bow bars, etc), that can be grounds for trademark infringement.