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TheGozr
06-15-2004, 01:36 AM
Ok i have some news.

From the Russian team:
We can fight 20 June 22.00(Moscow time)

Some new Requests are made from them.
here Requests (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/showthread.php?s=c00ada34beffd3e010a0f8eaabffd1ff&postid=594#post594)


Also this is the map that they want to fight against us.Download it and review it. need to add the FBD's script etc..
This map we need to review it and maybe add some Little extra ( like small protections bags wall around the AAA )

Russian map here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/study/RussUSA.zip)

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg <--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

[This message was edited by TheGozr on Tue June 15 2004 at 12:55 AM.]

TheGozr
06-15-2004, 01:36 AM
Ok i have some news.

From the Russian team:
We can fight 20 June 22.00(Moscow time)

Some new Requests are made from them.
here Requests (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/showthread.php?s=c00ada34beffd3e010a0f8eaabffd1ff&postid=594#post594)


Also this is the map that they want to fight against us.Download it and review it. need to add the FBD's script etc..
This map we need to review it and maybe add some Little extra ( like small protections bags wall around the AAA )

Russian map here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/study/RussUSA.zip)

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

[This message was edited by TheGozr on Tue June 15 2004 at 12:55 AM.]

Freycinet
06-15-2004, 01:43 AM
"requests" sounds better than "demands"... - especially when two sides have to agree on something...

(I'm sure it is just a language thing..)

TheGozr
06-15-2004, 01:56 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif thx fixed

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

Eraser_tr
06-15-2004, 05:36 AM
I need some help getting my mic woking so i can use coms, i can hear everyone, but nobody can hear me. The mic is hooked up and i can record sound in windows, just not transmit in game.

TX Rahman
06-15-2004, 07:36 AM
GOZR,
Were you guys able to utilize the TS server I setup for you? It's still up and can be used to training and competitions... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Regards and Salute,
TX-Rahman
http://www.txsquadron.com

Eagle_361st
06-15-2004, 08:37 AM
20 June @2200 Moscow time. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Dang, I will not be able to fly as my in-laws are in town and we will be going to the beach that day. I wish you all luck and wish all that I can to be there. But there is no way I can duck out on Sunday to fly in the match. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

~S!
Eagle
Commanding Officer 361st vFG
www.361stvfg.com (http://www.361stvfg.com)
http://home.comcast.net/~smconlon/wsb/media/245357/site1079.jpg

Diablo310th
06-15-2004, 09:37 AM
As far as I know I can fly Gozr. I know of nothing to keep me back this time saving an emergency.( ie. g/f wanting to go camping) LOL.

http://img54.photobucket.com/albums/v166/310thDiablo/Diablos20Sig.jpg

Capt_Pepper
06-15-2004, 01:01 PM
Gozr....time to start a new list....not much time left if the rematch is this weekend.

Also should set a practice time/s. We will need at least the majority of pilots there if we want to be more competitive. We can also re-adjust plans as needed as well as avoid the last minute confusion.

Please put me on the list.

Cragger
06-15-2004, 01:17 PM
I will be available again.

http://redspar.com/redrogue/cragger_sig.jpg

Clots
06-15-2004, 01:55 PM
Hi all. I'm up for a re-match can you sign me up as &lt;PF&gt;Rabitski. Looking forward to flying with y'all again. S~Rab.

Capt_Pepper
06-15-2004, 03:13 PM
Unofficially, in an effort to help get things going, so far it's:
(Please add/delete your names. No offense intended if I've forgotten anyone.)

FYI, I think the match is on Father's Day in the USA, which might effect being able to make it for some.

1. Cragger
2. &lt;PF&gt;Rabitski
3. Pepper
4. Diablo
5. Gozr
6. Rall?
7. TX-Monguse?
8. DaCripler?
9. GoodKnight?
10.Daze?
11.Hero?
12.Copperhead 310th?
13.Mortifera?
14.Aristo?
15.Zen?
16.TX-Razor?
17.Toad?
18.
19.
20.

(Can't make it: Gypsy, Boosher, 361st Eagle.)
(Goodnight: is doubtful; will fly if he
can...asked to be put on reserve list.)

(IMHO, please don't sign up if you aren't willing/can't practice at least for a bit of time, and/or be at the match an hour in advance (or notifying someone if you'll be late.) It's not fair to the team and Gozr also has to provide a final players list no later than an hour beforehand. Please also resolve all tech problems before signing up. Lastly, as we found out the hard way, please set comms to push control only....no voice activation.)

[This message was edited by Capt_Pepper on Tue June 15 2004 at 03:06 PM.]

[This message was edited by Capt_Pepper on Tue June 15 2004 at 05:09 PM.]

[This message was edited by Capt_Pepper on Wed June 16 2004 at 08:44 AM.]

[Gypsy]
06-15-2004, 03:53 PM
Gozr,

Once again I must miss the match... I will be on my way to Atlanta, GA on a business trip... Good luck to all.. give 'em hell...

"310thGypsy"


http://imageshack.us/files/Gypsy%20Sig3.jpg

LeChuck59
06-15-2004, 04:13 PM
If there's room left, sign me up!

Cragger
06-15-2004, 04:45 PM
Maybe this time I can actually accomplish something with the Ki-84. I really like that plane just using the wrong tactics last map.

http://redspar.com/redrogue/cragger_sig.jpg

PBNA-Boosher
06-15-2004, 04:58 PM
I too will be unable to attend...

Oh well, good luck guys! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

TheGozr
06-15-2004, 07:09 PM
Gypsy_310th ...Hotel Cable/DSl ROOM? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
I will load the MAp choosen by the Russian team.~. to the server tonight PST. then we can train any evening of the week..

Need to define the M8's plane and area ala TX-Monguse's great work. Print the pages and stick it to the screen walls etc.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Col_Pepper / Great !.

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

Capt_Pepper
06-16-2004, 10:05 AM
Eraser...just saw your post. This isn't the best place to seek help for this kind of problem. There's an entire Community Help forum with great folks that can solve almost any computer related difficulty. Go to: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=frm&s=400102&f=49310655.

Once there, first look for threads about your problem. If you can't find the answer, post your question. If you post, you should also provide your computer info and the type of headset/mic you're using, then your specific problem.

Once you've worked this out, please let us know. As you are now aware, comms are necessary and these things need to be handled before you're in the game.

DeBaer.534
06-16-2004, 10:13 AM
are non-americans allowed?
if so, just give me some time to check my plans for the WE, and im maybe available as a reserve.
yes i do understand spoken english (at least our learning casettes in school, which include american slangs also)

winsemius
06-16-2004, 05:40 PM
Howdy

I just had a conversation with Capt_Pepper about this upcoming (re-)match. I'd love to attend this one, but as it's Fathers Day I'm not sure if I am able to http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/1072.gif But it's very likely I can be on http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

Anyway, if there's a reserve list put me on and I'll see you hopefully in the weekend.

Tnx and c ya'll!!

DEY_SEAMUS_NL (winsemius)
http://home.student.utwente.nl/w.brouwer/nijntje.gif

Eraser_tr
06-16-2004, 08:17 PM
put me down, I'm still good for fathers day(as long as its before dinner when we'll be going out)

TheGozr
06-16-2004, 08:18 PM
With Col-pepper go train tonight wednesday at 8:30 pst in warclouds to fight others pilots.

feel free to join.

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

JV44Rall
06-16-2004, 08:21 PM
this is a little OT, but is there a link to download the track from the Russian v US match?

My impressions of the last two months revolve around dawns. Pink dawns, grey dawns, misty, rainy and windy dawns, but always dawns; first light. Shadowy Spitfires and quietness . . . . Geoffrey Wellum, First Light.

TheGozr
06-16-2004, 08:46 PM
Here click (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/showthread.php?s=701ab6cf55d531f20ba6435942e67fda&threadid=92)

It's missing the comms so maybe you'll wonder why pilots do what they do.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Do yoiu still have your skin?

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

Copperhead310th
06-16-2004, 09:35 PM
Gozr i'll have to skip this one myself.
Bad as i want to help join in....
as long as that 1 death kick rule is in place
i'll be more of a rinderance than a help.
like i said before...if it was 2 or 3 deaths then you get kicked...that would be better.
I will cash at least once. so unless that changes i'm out.

as for the coms situation i noticed the confustion over the coms. & i have an idea on how to fix the problem. very simple. & i'll get to work on it asap & get it emailed to team usa or to Gozr. it's something that we will be emplementing in out squadron very soon.. so i'll use you guys to test it out. lol here guinapig this for me will yas.

http://imageshack.us/files/copper%20sig%20with%20rank.jpg
310th FS & 380th BG website (http://www.310thVFS.com)

AdmiralWarlord
06-16-2004, 09:51 PM
I am Russian - I was wondering if I can listen in to the Russian team on TS? At least I will be able to hear the action http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

GTO-Razor
06-16-2004, 11:07 PM
Hello all Razor here due to untimely circumstances i was kept away from the first match but i am definately available for the rematch...count me in and i will be in LA-7 or P-51C since Guse was kind enuff to give me a link for each lol..cant wait till we practice again,S~!

MORTIFERA
06-17-2004, 02:46 AM
COUNT ME IN, I paid my dues on the one earlier this week, I want my vengeance!
Mortifer p51 20D

WUAF_Co_Hero
06-17-2004, 05:49 AM
Unless something that I'm unaware of comes up, I will be able to fly: what time and date?

Build a man a fire, keep him warm for a day...

Set a man on fire, keep him warm for the rest of his life.

TheGozr
06-17-2004, 10:45 AM
20 June 22.00pm (Moscow time)

Pilots List coming up

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

Capt_Pepper
06-17-2004, 04:45 PM
S~ All,

Gozr, please post the times of the match in USA hours.


In tandem with the items Guse has mentioned, there are two items requiring immediate attention...time is very short:

1. Pilot list....we need to know who's flying and who's not....ASAP! If you haven't already done so, and if you plan to fly, please post your name anywhere indicating that you can make it. Thereafter, it will go on the list.
If you are already on the list and cannot make it for whatever reason, please post that as well so we'll know.

Again, PLEASE do not sign up if you are not fully prepared, i.e. no known computer problems, comms problems, etc. We all need to be fully operational BEFORE the match and have the opportunity to ensure this anytime beforehand.

2. Practice...we need to establish dates and times immediately. To get this going, I'll suggest practice each night this week 8:00PM to 10:00PM Central time (that's 6:00PM to 8:00PM West Coast and 9:00PM to 11:00PM Eastern time.) For Saturday, I would suggest the same timeframe.

I would also recommend the Saturday practice as the one we all need to be at...the entire team.

If others want/can practice at other times, GO FOR IT! Find others as well...don't be bashful. I'll gladly join anyone at anytime I'm on....you can usually find me in HL on War Clouds.

Since we'll be flying on a different map, the most logical place to practice would be the Prowar site on HL.

Thanks all...can you tell I REALLY want to beat these guys??

Diablo310th
06-17-2004, 05:49 PM
well as usual....something always comes up when i try to make plans. Sorry guys..I can't fly Sun. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Taking g/f fishing takes precedence.

http://img54.photobucket.com/albums/v166/310thDiablo/Diablos20Sig.jpg

Copperhead310th
06-17-2004, 05:59 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif yeah but your not taking me fishing. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif
whats the matter D my legs too hairy for yas? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

http://imageshack.us/files/copper%20sig%20with%20rank.jpg
310th FS & 380th BG website (http://www.310thVFS.com)

T_O_A_D
06-17-2004, 06:05 PM
GOZR You have me listed? I won't be able to fly that day either it is a Sunday again. I won't have Sundays off until after July 7th, when I go to day shift. But then I loose my Saturdays during the day http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Just can't have it all ya know http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

Have you checked your Private Topics recently? (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=ugtpc&s=400102)
My TrackIR fix, Read the whole thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=49310655&m=15310285&p=1)
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Capt_Pepper
06-17-2004, 07:21 PM
8:15PM Central time

Gozr...went to HL to practice and Prowar server isn't there.
Then I tried the direct IP from last week's game and it had an island map.

Suggestions?

Capt_Pepper
06-17-2004, 11:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt_Pepper:
Unofficially, in an effort to help get things going, so far it's:
(Please add/delete your names. No offense intended if I've forgotten anyone.)

FYI, I think the match is on Father's Day in the USA, which might effect being able to make it for some.

1. Cragger
2. &lt;PF&gt;Rabitski
3. Pepper
4. 238th Knight
5. Gozr
6. Rall?
7. TX-Monguse
8. DaCripler?
9. GoodKnight?
10.Daze?
11.Hero?
12.TX-Razor
13.Mortifera
14.Aristo?
15.Zen?
16.TX-Razor
17.Easy One
18.
19.
20.

(Can't make it: Gypsy, Boosher, 361st Eagle, Toad, Copperhead, Diablo.)
(Goodnight: is doubtful; will fly if he can...asked to be put on reserve list. Dey Seamus, possible.)

(IMHO, please don't sign up if you aren't willing/can't practice at least for a bit of time, and/or be at the match an hour in advance (or notifying someone if you'll be late.) It's not fair to the team and Gozr also has to provide a final players list no later than an hour beforehand. Please also resolve all tech problems before signing up. Lastly, as we found out the hard way, please set comms to push control only....no voice activation.)

[This message was edited by Capt_Pepper on Tue June 15 2004 at 03:06 PM.]

[This message was edited by Capt_Pepper on Tue June 15 2004 at 05:09 PM.]

[This message was edited by Capt_Pepper on Wed June 16 2004 at 08:44 AM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

TheGozr
06-17-2004, 11:22 PM
It's there look at PROWAR =2=

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

EZbusa
06-18-2004, 07:43 AM
EZ1 Is up for it.

I was not in the first match, what planes will be available and do I need a team skin?

Fehler
06-18-2004, 08:22 AM
I can practice Friday night, and I can fly Sunday. I dont really know what plane sets you guys intend to use, but I will say that I am not a superb flyer in USAAF craft. I do, however prefer the FW190 and have no problems winging with Zen, Rall, or Cragger and have done so quite a few times in the past. Let me know, Ill keep an eye open for a reply, or you can Email me at the link on my webpage listed below my sig.

http://webpages.charter.net/cuda70/FehlerSig.gif
http://webpages.charter.net/cuda70/9JG54.html

TheGozr
06-18-2004, 09:20 AM
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/skin/p40usa.jpg

1. Cragger
2. &lt;PF&gt;Rabitski
3. Pepper
4. 238th Knight
5. Gozr
6. Rall?
7. TX-Monguse
8. DaCripler?
9. GoodKnight?
10.Daze?
11.Hero?
12.TX-Razor
13.Mortifera
14.Aristo?
15.Zen?
16.TX-Razor
17.Easy One &lt;&lt; EZ busa &lt;&lt;EZ1
18.Fehler
19.
20.


GTO-Razor =TX-Razor ??

"AdmiralWarlord "Click here for ROSS_Dis (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/showthread.php?s=261b67bed7d93745f8b0a20c7ae44415&threadid=98)
Ask him i'm sure they will lets you..
Please post a demand http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

[This message was edited by TheGozr on Fri June 18 2004 at 08:30 AM.]

[This message was edited by TheGozr on Fri June 18 2004 at 09:37 AM.]

Diablo310th
06-18-2004, 09:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif yeah but your not taking me fishing. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif
whats the matter D my legs too hairy for yas? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

http://imageshack.us/files/copper%20sig%20with%20rank.jpg
_http://www.310thVFS.com
_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL Copperhead.....I told ya ur turn is coming up when I come down to Eufala. Ever find me a map???

http://img54.photobucket.com/albums/v166/310thDiablo/Diablos20Sig.jpg

Capt_Pepper
06-18-2004, 09:29 AM
Fehler....a pleasure to have you and glad to know you can participate. I'll add you to the list asap. As far as plane sets, it's a very broad assortment...almost all fighters are available for both Blue and Red and you can fly either. (I think you can find the list under the original USA vs. Russia post.)

In short, just pick the plane/s of your choice and download the skin and you should be good to go.

FYI, looks like we still need more pilots...are any others in your squad possibly available for this?

EZbusa
06-18-2004, 10:12 AM
EZ1 and EZBusa =same
I fly under EZ1
BTW, I did not see a USA skin for P51 D at Gozr's site anybody got one?

[This message was edited by EZbusa on Fri June 18 2004 at 09:23 AM.]

TheGozr
06-18-2004, 11:03 AM
il2 skins
skins (http://www.il2skins.com/?action=list&authoridfilter=TEAM%20USA&comefrom=display&ts=1049772896)
will add P51

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

GTO-Razor
06-18-2004, 01:39 PM
hi again all,just wanted to clear up any confusion as to who i am.... GTO-Razor=TX-Razor this name is my old CS clan name been too lazy and busy flying to make another one...maybe after the match on sunday.Hope this helps out, looking forward to practice seeyall there.

LeChuck59
06-18-2004, 03:25 PM
Sign me up please.

T_O_A_D
06-18-2004, 04:10 PM
I have the P-51 added now

At IL2 Skins (http://www.il2skins.com/?action=list&authoridfilter=TEAM%20USA&comefrom=display&ts=1049772896)

I'll have the La up soon.

Have you checked your Private Topics recently? (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=ugtpc&s=400102)
My TrackIR fix, Read the whole thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=49310655&m=15310285&p=1)
Commanding Officer of the 131st_VFW (http://www.geocities.com/vfw_131st/)
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Capt_Pepper
06-18-2004, 04:18 PM
LeChuck59...please come to practice tonight on either Prowar or if not up, War Clouds. We'll need to go over a few things with you if that's okay.

Eraser....I have no idea if your dinner plans will conflict with the match....only you know. Additionally, please come to practice to verify your problems are fixed....Don't mean to be harsh, but we can't have a repeat of last time.

If I missed anything/anyone, please find me tonight either at the Prowar server, or on War Clouds 44 and I'll try and help anyway possible. I expect to be on most between 8:00PM and midnight Central time.

TheGozr
06-18-2004, 05:24 PM
Great

TheGozr
06-18-2004, 05:27 PM
Veteran's Team USA Skin P51 D

P51 D invasion Stripes (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/skin/Gozr_USAteamP51DTemplate.zip)

http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/thumbailP51teamUSA.jpg

Or HERE (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/showthread.php?s=f6c929ed3e4ed9b68cfd812a0c531422&threadid=109)

This Template as everthing for you to Customize it, places( layers ) to add your names etc..

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

T_O_A_D
06-18-2004, 11:47 PM
Ok I have the La and now a Hurricane over there aswell. Had a PM at IL2skins for the Hurricane. So I made it.

Gozr I see you never did include the no stripes with that paint. Are you going to ar do you want me to put it on IL2skiins as is?

Also Can you place your Yak and 190 on the ftp so I can get them up aswell?

Have you checked your Private Topics recently? (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=ugtpc&s=400102)
My TrackIR fix, Read the whole thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=49310655&m=15310285&p=1)
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Fehler
06-19-2004, 12:16 AM
I have looked, there is no skin for the FW190 A-9 or the FW D-9. Is there any chance there will be one done, or should I just whip one up?

http://webpages.charter.net/cuda70/FehlerSig.gif
http://webpages.charter.net/cuda70/9JG54.html

EZbusa
06-19-2004, 05:38 AM
Got the skin thanks.
I should be at practice tonight sat @8C

Fehler
06-19-2004, 11:10 AM
OK, I just whipped a couple up.

http://webpages.charter.net/cuda70/FehlerSig.gif
http://webpages.charter.net/cuda70/9JG54.html

TheGozr
06-19-2004, 12:10 PM
That's fantastic Fehler.

It's great to have the choices. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

here the Fw-190A9 i made quite some time ago.

A9's skin zip template customable (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/skin/D9-TeamUSAblank.zip)


http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/d9USAteam.jpg

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

Capt_Pepper
06-19-2004, 03:00 PM
Here' the latest update as of Saturday afternoon 06-19-04, with the match one day away. As of this time, we don't have enough confirmed pilots....plain and simple. If anyone sees or knows any of the unconfirmed, please contact them and have them post something/anything here.

If we can't get confirmation of at least 15 by the end of the day, I suggest we think about rescheduling. Last practice is tonight and we need the entire team there. Practice is on Prowar in HL at 8:00 to 10:00PM Central time (that's 6:00 to 8:00 West coast and 9:00 to 11:00PM East coast.)

Current Roster:

1. Cragger
2. &lt;PF&gt;Rabitski
3. Pepper
4. 238th Knight
5. Gozr
6. Mortifera
7. TX-Monguse
8. EZ 1
9. TX-Razor
10.Fehler
11.DaCripler?
12.Rall? (Hutch)
13.GoodKnight?
14.Aristo?
15.Zen?
16.Daze?
17.
18.
19.
20.

1. Can't make it: Gypsy, Boosher, 361st Eagle, Toad, Copperhead, Diablo, WUAF Hero.)
2. Doubtful: Goodnight
3. Reserves: Dey Seamus
4. Not confirmed: Daze, DaCripler, Aristo, Rall (Hutch), Zen

(IMHO, please don't sign up if you aren't willing/can't practice at least for a bit of time, and/or be at the match an hour in advance (or notifying someone if you'll be late.) It's not fair to the team and Gozr also has to provide a final players list no later than an hour beforehand. Please also resolve all tech problems before signing up. Lastly, please set comms to push control only....no voice activation.)

Update: There have been several new inquiries from other pilots requesting to fly. For those interested, but unfamiliar with these matches, they are not for the less experienced. It's one pilot death, and you're out of the match. The first team that kills all the opposing team's pilots wins, which means every life is important. Experience and practice in playing as a TEAM is the key to winning.

Here's a guideline of the bare minimum:

1. You need to be very experienced in on-line, closed cockpit flying.
2. You need to be experienced in on-line team flying.
3. You need to be fully knowledgeable with T/S comms: know how it works and have all the right equipment.

This isn't meant to discourage anyone; it's simply how these matches are. Without these bare essentials, you won't be able to fully participate and you will jeopardize your own live as well as your teammates. Again, every life is important. Please do not sign up without experience in these ways.

For the less experienced that want to do this and might not be ready now, there will be other matches. You are always welcome to join once you can meet the minimum requirements. A good place to practice and test yourself to know when you're ready is in Hyperlobby on Greatergreen, War Clouds, Birds of Prey.

[This message was edited by Capt_Pepper on Sat June 19 2004 at 03:07 PM.]

LeChuck59
06-19-2004, 05:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt_Pepper:
Here' the latest update as of Saturday afternoon 06-19-04, with the match one day away. As of this time, we don't have enough confirmed pilots....plain and simple. If anyone sees or knows any of the unconfirmed, please contact them and have them post something/anything here.

If we can't get confirmation of at least 15 by the end of the day, I suggest we think about rescheduling. Last practice is tonight and we need the entire team there. Practice is on Prowar in HL at 8:00 to 10:00PM Central time (that's 6:00 to 8:00 West coast and 9:00 to 11:00PM East coast.)

Current Roster:

1. Cragger
2. &lt;PF&gt;Rabitski
3. Pepper
4. 238th Knight
5. Gozr
6. Mortifera
7. TX-Monguse
8. EZ 1
9. TX-Razor
10.Fehler
11.DaCripler?
12.Rall? (Hutch)
13.GoodKnight?
14.Aristo?
15.Zen?
16.Daze?
17.
18.
19.
20.

1. Can't make it: Gypsy, Boosher, 361st Eagle, Toad, Copperhead, Diablo, WUAF Hero.)
2. Doubtful: Goodnight
3. Reserves: Dey Seamus
4. Not confirmed: Daze, DaCripler, Aristo, Rall (Hutch), Zen

(IMHO, please don't sign up if you aren't willing/can't practice at least for a bit of time, and/or be at the match an hour in advance (or notifying someone if you'll be late.) It's not fair to the team and Gozr also has to provide a final players list no later than an hour beforehand. Please also resolve all tech problems before signing up. Lastly, please set comms to push control only....no voice activation.)

Update: There have been several new inquiries from other pilots requesting to fly. For those interested, but unfamiliar with these matches, they are not for the less experienced. It's one pilot death, and you're out of the match. The first team that kills all the opposing team's pilots wins, which means every life is important. Experience and practice in playing as a TEAM is the key to winning.

Here's a guideline of the bare minimum:

1. You need to be very experienced in on-line, closed cockpit flying.
2. You need to be experienced in on-line team flying.
3. You need to be fully knowledgeable with T/S comms: know how it works and have all the right equipment.

This isn't meant to discourage anyone; it's simply how these matches are. Without these bare essentials, you won't be able to fully participate and you will jeopardize your own live as well as your teammates. Again, every life is important. Please do not sign up without experience in these ways.

For the less experienced that want to do this and might not be ready now, there will be other matches. You are always welcome to join once you can meet the minimum requirements. A good place to practice and test yourself to know when you're ready is in Hyperlobby on Greatergreen, War Clouds, Birds of Prey.

[This message was edited by Capt_Pepper on Sat June 19 2004 at 03:07 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've been playing for six months so I'm relatively inexperienced, but I've got the necessary equipment now. If there aren't enough pilots, I'd still like to contribute. I'll look for the Prowar server and you, Capt_Pepper, tonight.

Capt_Pepper
06-19-2004, 06:42 PM
S~ All

It's now 7:30 Central time Saturday 06-19-04....one half an hour before practice is supposed to begin on the Prowar server.

Looks like Gozr hasn't made it home from work yet to get it going. I suggest we bide some time on HL till it's up. I'll be on War Clouds practicing and will watch for the server. Once it's up, I'll look for as many as I can find to notify you.

Gozr, please let me and as many others as you can once it's up.

UPDATE: (8:10PM Central time)
Server is up. You can access it either through HL or direct connect. IP is: 69.50.182.98:21000
T/S is: 69.50.182.98:6768
Password: prowarfb

[This message was edited by Capt_Pepper on Sat June 19 2004 at 06:22 PM.]

[This message was edited by Capt_Pepper on Sat June 19 2004 at 06:31 PM.]

[This message was edited by Capt_Pepper on Sat June 19 2004 at 06:35 PM.]

EZbusa
06-19-2004, 07:10 PM
Pepper I think it is up for direct connect but not on HL 8:10 Cen

http://home.earthlink.net/~dzeasley/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/ez1.jpg

TheGozr
06-19-2004, 07:59 PM
Great pic EZ http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

Capt_Pepper
06-19-2004, 11:43 PM
S~ All

Match POSTPONED till next Sunday..06-27-04.
New info will be provided on this post as it becomes available.

Eraser_tr
06-20-2004, 01:59 PM
Finally http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I got my mic to transmitt, so I'm ready

Capt_Pepper
06-20-2004, 03:42 PM
This is for Sunday, June 27, 2004

Here's the new list. It contains the core group and others I believe will be available for next week. If you see your name, please confirm one way or the other on this post. (It greatly helps!!)

If others are interested in filling open slots, please let us know on this post as well. We need to give priority to the most experienced for the best chance to win. However, this isn't the only qualifier and it's a team decision.

For those interested in participating WITHOUT previous experience, you won't be added to the roster for this match. As previously mentioned, this is not to discourage you, but it's just too difficult to get you up to speed with the limited timeframe.

Current Roster: (No particular order at this time, including alternates..we'll figure that out later.)

1. Cragger
2. &lt;PF&gt;Rabitski
3. Pepper
4. 238th Knight
5. Gozr
6. Mortifera
7. TX-Monguse
8. EZ 1
9. TX-Razor
10.GoodKnight
11.Daze
12.DaCripler
13.Astro
14.161st Schwank
15.Gypsy?
16.Hero?
17.Diablo?
18.Future Ace?
19.Sparx?
20.

Alternates: Fehler, LeChuck, Eraser, Swiss.

(Zen, Sir, can or do you want to fly in this?)

Practice will be ongoing each weekday night: 8:00PM to 10:00PM Central (that's 6:00 to 8:00PM West Coast, and 9:00 to 11:00PM East Coast.) Practice will be on the Prowar server in HL. If problems occur with Prowar, please seek out other teammates to practice with on either Birds of Prey or War Clouds. The final practice will be Saturday evening at the same times listed above, and we'll need all team members there to go over final plans, etc.

Please watch this post for further info & updates. Any questions, please ask.

[This message was edited by Capt_Pepper on Sun June 20 2004 at 10:52 PM.]

[This message was edited by Capt_Pepper on Tue June 22 2004 at 09:42 AM.]

GR142_Astro
06-20-2004, 04:57 PM
Ok, this sounds like fun.

Is there a slot available for me?

What aircraft will we be flying?

http://members.cox.net/kinetic/SigImages/LockheedLightningMed.jpg

____________________________

"If Adolf Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limosine anyway." ~TheClash~

Dammerung
06-20-2004, 05:31 PM
Sign me up.

(E: Nvm. Worried cause I fly Hurri IICs...)

Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
The whole damn place is full of queers, navigators, and bombadiers...
Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...

[This message was edited by Dammerung on Sun June 20 2004 at 07:57 PM.]

T_O_A_D
06-20-2004, 06:10 PM
Lechuck If you see this we did not leave you last night on purpose. The Server died for the game aswell as Teamspeak the 3 of us looked for you on Hyper but I guess you never came back we went on to Warclouds. By the way the other two complimented on the way we snuck behind and took them out. S! Good job even with a busted gunsight!

Have you checked your Private Topics recently? (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=ugtpc&s=400102)
My TrackIR fix, Read the whole thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=49310655&m=15310285&p=1)
Commanding Officer of the 131st_VFW (http://www.geocities.com/vfw_131st/)
http://home.mchsi.com/~131st_vfw/T_O_A_D.jpg

[This message was edited by T_O_A_D on Sun June 20 2004 at 05:48 PM.]

LeChuck59
06-20-2004, 06:25 PM
Thanks Toad, it was a pleasure flying with you. I got a message over HL from Pepper explaining what happened and I appreciate you guys looking for me afterwards, but it was late and I decided to call it a night.

I'll be at practice every night this week, so if I don't make the cut this time around, I will at least be ready for the next one.

T_O_A_D
06-20-2004, 06:49 PM
Thats great! just for future refence what is your Hyper name and I'll add it in my file.

Have you checked your Private Topics recently? (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=ugtpc&s=400102)
My TrackIR fix, Read the whole thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=49310655&m=15310285&p=1)
Commanding Officer of the 131st_VFW (http://www.geocities.com/vfw_131st/)
http://home.mchsi.com/~131st_vfw/T_O_A_D.jpg

LeChuck59
06-20-2004, 07:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
Thats great! just for future refence what is your Hyper name and I'll add it in my file.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=ugtpc&s=400102
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=49310655&m=15310285&p=1
http://www.geocities.com/vfw_131st/
http://home.mchsi.com/~131st_vfw/T_O_A_D.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was LeChuck59, but now I'll be using simply LeChuck (so Pepper, don't send messages to the former as I won't see them).

T_O_A_D
06-20-2004, 07:18 PM
RGR TY http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Have you checked your Private Topics recently? (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=ugtpc&s=400102)
My TrackIR fix, Read the whole thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=49310655&m=15310285&p=1)
Commanding Officer of the 131st_VFW (http://www.geocities.com/vfw_131st/)
http://home.mchsi.com/~131st_vfw/T_O_A_D.jpg

JG27_Dacripler
06-20-2004, 07:22 PM
I'm in.. Bf 109G-6A/S .. got skins?

LeChuck59
06-20-2004, 08:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG27_Dacripler:
I'm in.. Bf 109G-6A/S .. got skins?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.il2skins.com/?action=display&skinid=12492

Capt_Pepper
06-20-2004, 08:31 PM
DaCripler...great to have you. Yes, I believe skins for the 109 are available. Can someone please provide the link for him? (Sry, I don't know it.)

LeChuck...GREAT attitude and thanks so very much for the effort.

Eraser, a mic working isn't all that's necessary. We'll see how practice goes.

Dammerung...by virtue of your question, you need to do your homework first before enrolling yourself. Find the info posted under the first USA vs. Russia thread....it's all there.

GR142Astro...if you're who I think you are, it shouldn't be a problem. Please meet up with any of the team for practice.

[This message was edited by Capt_Pepper on Sun June 20 2004 at 07:59 PM.]

LeChuck59
06-20-2004, 08:57 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Capt_Pepper:
DaCripler...great to have you. Yes, I believe skins for the 109 are available. Can someone please provide the link for him? (Sry, I don't know it.)
QUOTE]

See my previous post.

GR142_Astro
06-20-2004, 09:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>GR142Astro...if you're who I think you are, it shouldn't be a problem. Please meet up with any of the team for practice.

[This message was edited by Capt_Pepper on Sun June 20 2004 at 07:59 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

What, have I been a bad boy?

Ok, I will look for GoodKnight or one of the other teamers on PROWAR tomorrow.

http://members.cox.net/kinetic/SigImages/LockheedLightningMed.jpg

____________________________

"If Adolf Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limosine anyway." ~TheClash~

Capt_Pepper
06-20-2004, 09:27 PM
Well, Astro, I don't know...have youhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Great, and thanks for the efforts. I'll gladly fill you in as well during the week...

GR142_Astro
06-20-2004, 10:57 PM
Cool.

This will be interesting. For whatever reason, I flown much more against Russian pilots than any others.

I'm sure I'll recognize some of their names.

Capt_Pepper
06-20-2004, 11:26 PM
Some info regarding practice.

The Prowar server is best because it's the actual map we'll be using. However, there's a few things we learned this past week.

Several times, the server was up, but not visible on HL. We have no control over this. To avoid this problem, a direct connect is best.

Server IP is: 69.50.182.98:21000
T/S is: 69.50.182.98:6768

Very important!!! If using direct connect, you MUST have your name listed correctly in the Call Sign section of the game, or the server won't let you in. You'll especially need this on game day along with other precautions. For further details on Call Signs, see TOAD's instructions: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=209105434&p=6 (Thanks TOADhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Practice will be ongoing each weekday night: 8:00PM to 10:00PM Central (that's 6:00 to 8:00PM West Coast, and 9:00 to 11:00PM East Coast.) Key practice days will be Wednesday, Friday and especially Saturday. All team members need to be there then (Saturday) for final information.

If no one else is there when you arrive, don't give up. Spend the time to study and fly the map. Afterward, if still no one is there, you can look for others elsewhere in HL and ask them to join you.

If all else fails, practice on Birds of Prey or War Clouds with other teammates....that's where most of the team can usually be found.

As for game day, if something comes up at any point during the week and you just can't make it, PLEASE tell someone or preferably, post it here. If you'll be late, the same applies.

To avoid previous problems, Gozr must provide the final roster on Sunday morning hours before the game starts. That means if you're on the list and don't show, we'll be short one pilot even before the game begins....we won't be able to put anyone else in. Please don't let this happen.

That's it for now. Any questions, please give a holler. I hope you all have a great week!

[This message was edited by Capt_Pepper on Sun June 20 2004 at 10:40 PM.]

T_O_A_D
06-21-2004, 02:04 AM
Here is direct link to it! How to set Pilot name for Direct Ip games. (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=209105434&r=826105944#826105944)

Have you checked your Private Topics recently? (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=ugtpc&s=400102)
My TrackIR fix, Read the whole thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=49310655&m=15310285&p=1)
Commanding Officer of the 131st_VFW (http://www.geocities.com/vfw_131st/)
http://home.mchsi.com/~131st_vfw/T_O_A_D.jpg

Diablo310th
06-21-2004, 10:21 AM
bump

http://img54.photobucket.com/albums/v166/310thDiablo/Diablos20Sig.jpg

Eraser_tr
06-21-2004, 11:00 AM
Well I was in the first game, though during that one i spent more time trying to fix the thing than actually trying to shoot down the russians.

gates123
06-21-2004, 01:24 PM
So who won and what was the score, Is there results? or any stats?

http://www.flightjournal.com/images/index_photos/gunslinging.jpg
Did anyone see that or was it just me?

Schwifty_161
06-21-2004, 04:19 PM
Hey guys, its Schwank from the 161st. I'd love to join in the match if you guys have room.

http://img53.photobucket.com/albums/v163/Schwank/161banner.jpg
Also known as 161st_Schwank...... This thing doesnt seem to like the wank part of that name.

TheGozr
06-21-2004, 05:56 PM
You need to come to practice and try out .

PROWAR training start at 6:00 pm (PST) and on

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

TheGozr
06-21-2004, 10:34 PM
What a blast !!

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

TheGozr
06-22-2004, 12:00 AM
....
names for the list please , we can have more reserves and train together for the futur Matchs.

TheGozr
06-22-2004, 12:03 AM
1. Cragger
2. &lt;PF&gt;Rabitski
3. Pepper
4. 238th Knight
5. JG27*Aristo
6. Mortifera
7. TX-Monguse
8. EZ 1
9. TX-Razor
10.GoodKnight
11.Daze
12.JG27_Dacripler
13.WUAF_Gunswat
14.LeChuck59
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.
---- ---- ----

Future Ace
Diablo
Hero
361st Eagle
Gypsy
Fehler
GR142_Astro ?
Sparx?
Schwifty_161 ?
Jekyll ?
roadczar?
Dammerung ?
TAKATA?
GOZR
TOAD
Zen ?

?? more??

we fight together or against each others and learn and share many advises..
We had a total blast tonight..


-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

[This message was edited by TheGozr on Tue June 22 2004 at 07:19 AM.]

Fehler
06-22-2004, 01:39 AM
GOZR:

As it turns out, this week is completely bunko for me.

My son has baseball games every night this week ranging from a tournament to a varsity high school league he plays in. I just cant spare the time to practice/try out. At 16, I really cant afford to miss a minute of my son's activities.

You know, I have really been blessed with wonderful children. My daughter is 8, cute as a bug, and just a joy to have around. My son is 16, stands 6'4" tall! is very intelligent, quiet, respectful, and a pretty fair athlete. Every day I wonder what exactly I did "Right" in my life to deserve such wonderful kids.

Consequently, I would not feel right about taking someone's place that has been there to fly every night.

However, if you get into a bind and need a "Butcher Bird" driver for Sunday, I will be around in HL when the match starts.

If any of the games get rained-out, then you can be certain you will see me at practice.

Thank you for your patience.

http://webpages.charter.net/cuda70/FehlerSig.gif
http://webpages.charter.net/cuda70/9JG54.html

T_O_A_D
06-22-2004, 01:59 AM
I'm sure all of us invloved understand this and believe in Family First.

Have you checked your Private Topics recently? (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=ugtpc&s=400102)
My TrackIR fix, Read the whole thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=49310655&m=15310285&p=1)
Commanding Officer of the 131st_VFW (http://www.geocities.com/vfw_131st/)
http://home.mchsi.com/~131st_vfw/T_O_A_D.jpg

LeChuck59
06-22-2004, 05:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheGozr:
...
LeChuck59 ?
...
-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/

[This message was edited by TheGozr on Tue June 22 2004 at 12:10 AM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm only questionable until you decide to put me on the list. In other words, I'm good to go. You all only need to decide whether or not you want me Sunday.

Like I said earlier, I'll be at practice eitherway. I just wanted to make it clear that I am ready (to a point) and willing.

Maybe you could put me on a list of alternates? That way I'd know my position was clear to you guys.

See you tonight. S!

Capt_Pepper
06-22-2004, 10:17 AM
Fehler...that was one heck of a great post to explain your situation! Personally, I think it's great to learn your children are the highlight of your life...as it should be...and incredibly considerate of you to explain it in the way you did. Kudo's to you, Sir!

LeChuck...what Gozr's doing with the list above is putting the names of those currently, and hopefully interested in being a part of the USA team for matches as well as practice. If you're thinking your not included, no worries, you are if you want to be....(Geez, with your work ethic, we'll probably end up working for you somedayhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif))

While we know some, we don't know every pilot that will/can fly at this point for the upcoming match, Honestly, we probably won't know until late Saturday. Currently, nothing has been finalized, so disregard the question marks; they don't mean anything at this point.
I hope this gives you a better understanding of the situation.

Eagle...thanks for the info. We all appreciate your efforts and especially your letting us know in advance.

Wow...thanks for the info guys and I'll continue to update the schedules and lists as we move forward.

[This message was edited by Capt_Pepper on Tue June 22 2004 at 09:33 AM.]

Eagle_361st
06-22-2004, 10:26 AM
I can't get anyone to pick up my shift Sunday. So I won't be able to be there for the match. But I will pop on to the server this week for some training as I want to be there for future matches, my schedule allowing. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

~S!
Eagle
Commanding Officer 361st vFG
www.361stvfg.com (http://www.361stvfg.com)
http://home.comcast.net/~smconlon/wsb/media/245357/site1079.jpg

Schwifty_161
06-22-2004, 11:34 AM
Hey guys, I should be able to make that practice tonight and try out but I might be late.... by like an hour and 15... which might not make it worth it. I might just skip out and join you guys on time, I mean, the g/f will understand right? lol. She wants me to meet her for her break at work for half an hour. I think I might just stop by after I get off work and not hang out.

http://img53.photobucket.com/albums/v163/Schwank/161banner.jpg
Also known as 161st_Schwank...... This thing doesnt seem to like the wank part of that name.

gates123
06-22-2004, 12:53 PM
I would like in on this but unfortuently I'll be at a bachalor party this weekend, I might be available for the next competition. I'll jump on the server to help you guys practice, did last night was fun and had a really intense dogfight with TX-Razor S!


http://www.flightjournal.com/images/index_photos/gunslinging.jpg
Did anyone see that or was it just me?

LeChuck59
06-22-2004, 03:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

LeChuck...what Gozr's doing with the list above is putting the names of those currently, and hopefully interested in being a part of the USA team for matches as well as practice. If you're thinking your not included, no worries, you are if you want to be....(Geez, with your work ethic, we'll probably end up working for you somedayhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif))

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bah, this is IL2 we're talking about isn't it? It's not work. I'm just dedicated to enjoying myself.

Cragger
06-23-2004, 02:19 AM
Whats going on with this? Is it happeneing or not?

http://redspar.com/redrogue/cragger_sig.jpg

T_O_A_D
06-23-2004, 04:06 AM
Read the last two pages and you would know. Yes it is still happening this Coming Sunday June 27th

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cragger:
Whats going on with this? Is it happeneing or not?

http://redspar.com/redrogue/cragger_sig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Have you checked your Private Topics recently? (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=ugtpc&s=400102)
My TrackIR fix, Read the whole thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=49310655&m=15310285&p=1)
Commanding Officer of the 131st_VFW (http://www.geocities.com/vfw_131st/)
http://home.mchsi.com/~131st_vfw/T_O_A_D.jpg

Diablo310th
06-23-2004, 09:39 AM
Jugs Jugs Jugs.....Pepper has asked me to form up and lead the Jug Squad. I need 3 more Jug pilots from those signed up to fly Sunday to fill this squad. . Anyone interested add to the list below please.

1. 310thDiablo
2.
3.
4.

http://img54.photobucket.com/albums/v166/310thDiablo/DiabloSig.gif

[This message was edited by Diablo310th on Wed June 23 2004 at 04:07 PM.]

Schwifty_161
06-23-2004, 11:08 AM
Thats the 47 wing D? I could fy a 47, only really done ground pound in one lately. Havent flwn one for a dogfight in months, though if you put me down I'll practice until sunday.

More of a 51 jockey, or a FW jockey, but I think the 2 styles together should translate well to a 47.

http://img53.photobucket.com/albums/v163/Schwank/161banner.jpg
Also known as 161st_Schwank...... This thing doesnt seem to like the wank part of that name.

Diablo310th
06-23-2004, 03:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Schwifty_161:
Thats the 47 wing D? I could fy a 47, only really done ground pound in one lately. Havent flwn one for a dogfight in months, though if you put me down I'll practice until sunday.

More of a 51 jockey, or a FW jockey, but I think the 2 styles together should translate well to a 47.

http://img53.photobucket.com/albums/v163/Schwank/161banner.jpg
Also known as 161st_Schwank...... This thing doesnt seem to like the wank part of that name.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yeah Schwank...this is for teh 47 wing. You can fly any 47 you want I think there may be a 51 flighht forming too. If you still want i can put ya down no problem. I would be glad to have ya with me. Besides a good FW pilot makes a good Jug pilot too.

1. 310thDiablo
2. 161st_Schwank
3.
4.

http://img54.photobucket.com/albums/v166/310thDiablo/DiabloSig.gif

[This message was edited by Diablo310th on Wed June 23 2004 at 04:08 PM.]

RAF238thKnight
06-24-2004, 05:32 AM
Hey gents need to fill out my group of slower spit drivers,

Knight

EZbusa
06-24-2004, 04:46 PM
Check your Private topics Pepper.

http://home.earthlink.net/~dzeasley/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/ez1.jpg

TheGozr
06-25-2004, 12:53 AM
Ok all the pilots participating to the fight report now plz..
Fight at 11am PST, 1pm Central, 2 pm EST.22:00 ( pm ) Moscow time

The server is :

69.9.37.148

Please spend time over there to load your team skins.
Only pilots Team usa and Russian team can connect, thx to respect this.
A great Thanks to birdofprey who loaned a server to PROWAR Competition for this fight long awaited.

That a great Sport spirit.

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

[This message was edited by TheGozr on Fri June 25 2004 at 12:31 AM.]

TheGozr
06-25-2004, 09:17 AM
Message from ROSS_team:

Hope USA team training hard...couse RUS team will be include guess Who ????
(wait for yous estimates)
(One prompting - You know this squad, and its realy bad news for You, and good for Us)..

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

Diablo310th
06-25-2004, 09:17 AM
310thDiablo reporting as ordered sir. EST here.

http://img54.photobucket.com/albums/v166/310thDiablo/DiabloSig.gif

TheGozr
06-25-2004, 10:08 AM
Yes great The Russian are coming with a surprise the best pilots of RUSSIA.

I hope the best for Our team if any trouble repport to TOAD, Pepper, Mounguse,Razor.
server trouble to 238Knight

The key to success is training together, it is a Must. please do so. also organize the comms there are plenty of rooms for us.

If any Great pilots need to fight against the best Russians pilots please contact ASAP the names above.
----------------------
The whole planet now is looking.
This sunday two battles will happen online.

Poland vs France and RUSSIA vs USA.
The winner of the RUSSIA vs USA will fight Germany.

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

TheGozr
06-25-2004, 11:56 AM
Gentlemen you will have to fight the best pilots of the world.

This is the most exiting Match you will fight.
Nothing come close to what you will feel during the fight, it is a great experience. DO YOUR BEST and Good luck.

Read the Team-USA post in the place you know.

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

Schwifty_161
06-25-2004, 11:56 AM
Hey guys, I was wondering who worked on the A-9 and D-9 skins for team USA. I was wondering if I could get the .PSD's to customize them for myself.

http://img53.photobucket.com/albums/v163/Schwank/161banner.jpg
Also known as 161st_Schwank...... This thing doesnt seem to like the wank part of that name.

TheGozr
06-25-2004, 12:05 PM
Look there

http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/forumdisplay.php?s=74b63c123b1e96cd086152b454a9375 b&forumid=10

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

Schwifty_161
06-25-2004, 12:54 PM
S! Thank you Gozr!

http://img53.photobucket.com/albums/v163/Schwank/161banner.jpg
Also known as 161st_Schwank...... This thing doesnt seem to like the wank part of that name.

Capt_Pepper
06-25-2004, 01:48 PM
Okay fellas, it's crunch time.
Here' the current list.

The names listed by number include those who we believe to be definites, including reservists.
Below are those who we don't know about.

* = Confirmed

1. *Schwifty
2. &lt;PF&gt;Rabitski
3. *Pepper
4. *238th Knight
5. GR142 Astro
6. *Mortifera
7. *TX-Monguse
8. *EZ 1
9. *TX-Razor
10.*LeChuck
11.*310th Daze
12.*JG27_Dacripler
13.*310th Diablo
14.*Takata
15.*TX-Gunslinger
16.*WUAF GenSwat
17.*Viper
18.
19.
20.
---- ---- ----

Confirmed reservists: Goodknight, Fehler, FutureAce
Those unconfirmed: Cragger, Aristo, Jekyll, Roadczar, Sparx, Swiss, Zen

URGENT!! PLEASE CONFIRM your name above ASAP on this post..no matter which category!

Also please be at practice tonight (Friday 06-25-04) and tomorrow, Saturday.
Practice will be held 8:00 to 10:00PM Central. (6:00 to 8:00PM West Coast, 9:00 to 11:00PM Eastern)
It will be helo on the Prowar server.
All will need to be on comms as well.

If you don't have the IP's, contact any team member or post whatever you need here. We will get back to you if you provide a location where you can be reached.

[This message was edited by Capt_Pepper on Sat June 26 2004 at 11:58 AM.]

LeChuck59
06-25-2004, 02:43 PM
Consider me confirmed.

See you all tonight.

Diablo310th
06-25-2004, 03:06 PM
Diablo is confirmed.

http://img54.photobucket.com/albums/v166/310thDiablo/DiabloSig.gif

Schwifty_161
06-25-2004, 03:25 PM
161st_Schwank, aka Schwifty is confirmed!

http://img53.photobucket.com/albums/v163/Schwank/161banner.jpg
Also known as 161st_Schwank...... This thing doesnt seem to like the wank part of that name.

TX-Gunslinger
06-25-2004, 03:55 PM
The list looks short.

I'll fly in any capacity that you need including reserve.....

Will check in at practice tonight ...

Capt_Pepper
06-25-2004, 04:21 PM
Wow...great news Gunslinger and thanks!!!!

Eraser_tr
06-25-2004, 06:36 PM
I'm not going to be able to play at all, I'm having company over http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

LeChuck59
06-25-2004, 07:12 PM
Never mind.

[This message was edited by LeChuck59 on Fri June 25 2004 at 08:08 PM.]

GR142-Pipper
06-25-2004, 11:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt_Pepper:
Okay fellas, it's crunch time.
Here' the current list.

The names listed by number include those who we believe to be definites, including reservists.
Below are those who we don't know about.

* = Confirmed

1. *Schwifty
2. &lt;PF&gt;Rabitski
3. *Pepper
4. *238th Knight
5. GR142 Astro
6. *Mortifera
7. *TX-Monguse
8. *EZ 1
9. *TX-Razor
10.*LeChuck
11.310th Daze
12.JG27_Dacripler
13.*310th Diablo
14.*Takata
15.*TX-Gunslinger
16.*WUAF GenSwat
17.*Viper
18.
19.
20.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> You've got a very good line-up there, Pepper. (Especially #5...no bias, of course) I've flown with and against quite a few of you and you guys can go up against anyone.

Remember, fight your fight and don't take the bait! Good luck fellas!

GR142-Pipper

Diablo310th
06-26-2004, 09:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Diablo310th:
Jugs Jugs Jugs.....Pepper has asked me to form up and lead the Jug Squad. I need 3 more Jug pilots from those signed up to fly Sunday to fill this squad. . Anyone interested add to the list below please.

1. 310thDiablo
2. 161st_Schwank
3. 310thDaze
4.

http://img54.photobucket.com/albums/v166/310thDiablo/DiabloSig.gif

[This message was edited by Diablo310th on Wed June 23 2004 at 04:07 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://img54.photobucket.com/albums/v166/310thDiablo/DiabloSig.gif

Copperhead310th
06-26-2004, 11:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Diablo310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Schwifty_161:
Thats the 47 wing D? I could fy a 47, only really done ground pound in one lately. Havent flwn one for a dogfight in months, though if you put me down I'll practice until sunday.

More of a 51 jockey, or a FW jockey, but I think the 2 styles together should translate well to a 47.

http://img53.photobucket.com/albums/v163/Schwank/161banner.jpg
Also known as 161st_Schwank...... This thing doesnt seem to like the wank part of that name.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yeah Schwank...this is for teh 47 wing. You can fly any 47 you want I think there may be a 51 flighht forming too. If you still want i can put ya down no problem. I would be glad to have ya with me. Besides a good FW pilot makes a good Jug pilot too.

1. 310thDiablo
2. 161st_Schwank
3.
4.

http://img54.photobucket.com/albums/v166/310thDiablo/DiabloSig.gif

[This message was edited by Diablo310th on Wed June 23 2004 at 04:08 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I couldn't think of a better guy to lead the 47 wing. good choice guys. Diablo is our leading jug pilot with over 10 confirmed Axis kills to his credit. hell of a p-47 pilot. S!~

http://imageshack.us/files/copper%20sig%20with%20rank.jpg
310th FS & 380th BG website (http://www.310thVFS.com)

Schwifty_161
06-26-2004, 12:13 PM
I left a post in the 161st forums to see if I could find a fourth 47 pilot. I'm hoping I can get a hold of elite, or anyone else with experience. Loco is currently without a connection.

http://www.161st.net

http://img53.photobucket.com/albums/v163/Schwank/161banner.jpg
Also known as 161st_Schwank...... This thing doesnt seem to like the wank part of that name.

Capt_Pepper
06-26-2004, 01:09 PM
posted 25-06-04 12:48


UPDATED SATURDAY Noon 06-26-04

Here' the current list.


UPDATED SATURDAY Noon 06-26-04

* = Confirmed

1. *Schwifty
2. &lt;PF&gt;Rabitski
3. *Pepper
4. *238th Knight
5. GR142 Astro
6. *Mortifera
7. *TX-Monguse
8. *EZ 1
9. *TX-Razor
10.*LeChuck
11.*310th Daze
12.*JG27_Dacripler
13.*310th Diablo
14.*Takata
15.*TX-Gunslinger
16.*WUAF GenSwat
17.*Viper
18.
19.
20.
---- ---- ----

Confirmed reservists: Goodknight, Fehler, FutureAce
Those unconfirmed: &lt;PF&gt;Rabitski, GR142 Astro, Cragger, Aristo, Jekyll, Roadczar, Sparx, Swiss, Zen

URGENT!! PLEASE CONFIRM your name above ASAP on this post..no matter which category!

FINAL PRACTICE: Saturday, 06-26-04
Practice will be held 8:00 to 10:00PM Central. (6:00 to 8:00PM West Coast, 9:00 to 11:00PM Eastern.)
It will be held on the Match server. If you don't have the IP, go to the T/S at practice
time for info. All will need to be on comms as well.
T/S: 69.50.182.98:6768

[Gypsy]
06-26-2004, 03:43 PM
Since there still looks to be some empty slots... add me ... will fly P47s with Diablo... or P40E is not needed in the 47 wing...

Add my name as 310thGypsy.. not Gypsy_310th..

"310thGypsy"


http://img53.photobucket.com/albums/v163/Gypsybill/GypsySig.gif

Eagle_361st
06-26-2004, 04:27 PM
Good luck guys, I wish I could be flying my Jug with you all on this one. But I will be with you all in spirit. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

~S!
Eagle
Commanding Officer 361st vFG
www.361stvfg.com (http://www.361stvfg.com)
http://home.comcast.net/~smconlon/wsb/media/245357/site1079.jpg

Diablo310th
06-26-2004, 04:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gypsy_310th:
Since there still looks to be some empty slots... add me ... will fly P47s with Diablo... or P40E is not needed in the 47 wing...

Add my name as 310thGypsy.. not Gypsy_310th..

"310thGypsy"


http://img53.photobucket.com/albums/v163/Gypsybill/GypsySig.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gypsy...ur home. woo hoo. Jug flight is full now. Lets kick butt. Eagle...wish you were flying with us.
Jugs Jugs Jugs.....Pepper has asked me to form up and lead the Jug Squad. I need 0 more Jug pilots from those signed up to fly Sunday to fill this squad. We r full now.
1. 310thDiablo
2. 161st_Schwank
3. 310thDaze
4. 310thGypsy

http://img54.photobucket.com/albums/v166/310thDiablo/DiabloSig.gif

GR142_Astro
06-26-2004, 11:47 PM
Count me in, I will take a place behind those who have made all the practice sessions this week.

http://members.cox.net/kinetic/SigImages/LockheedLightningMed.jpg

____________________________

"If Adolf Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limosine anyway." ~TheClash~

Mad_Moses
06-27-2004, 10:24 AM
Please include me as well.

&lt;PF&gt;Mad_Moses


I am pretty sure &lt;PF&gt;Rabitski will be there as well.

Thank you

Lixma
06-27-2004, 11:09 AM
Holy Moses !

Long time no carnage !

Good luck with the match.

Also is Rabitski ex.F.I.? If so say i said high.

LeChuck59
06-27-2004, 02:46 PM
Good match. We lost, but it was fun.

I've got a track of the entire match, but I need a place to host it. If anyone's interested and has a host, let me know.

EDIT
Viper was kind enough to host the track here...
http://ww2airwar.com/Tracks/USA%20vs%20Russia%20-%20rematch.ntrk

If it's a problem, let me know and I'll take it down.
[This message was edited by LeChuck59 on Sun June 27 2004 at 02:01 PM.]

[This message was edited by LeChuck59 on Sun June 27 2004 at 03:10 PM.]

TheGozr
06-27-2004, 08:52 PM
I see the problem with FBdeamon planes count down is wrong..

I submitted the problem to SAmmie.


We need to regroup and train for shure all on the same time.

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

LeChuck59
06-27-2004, 09:06 PM
I understand that many of the players involved in today's match are taking a reprieve from IL2 and may not see this for some time, but having watched my track, I want to go ahead and point out two things for anyone that has gone and watched my track.

First, I think I shot down the judge. I was told he wouldn't be in a plane, but then I heard after the match that not only was he in the air, but he had been shot down. Now if he was flying a white Yak with Russian markings, then I definately shot him up. If that was in fact the judge, and I hope someone can confirm that for me, I'd like to know why he was flying a Yak with Russian markings in the middle of a fur ball. It was my understanding that he would monitor comings and goings, deaths and available reserves and that he would examine a track after the match to confirm its integrity. I don't understand why he was there, in the middle of the fight. If there's an explanation, by all means share it. If there isn't a reason, I'd ask that he stay out of the way next time.

My second point is that you can see clearly and on numerous occasions Russian planes warping around the screen. They would lag out, hover or coast in one spot and then suddenly reappear somewhere else, usually somewhere disadvantegeous for myself. I don't think they were cheating, I think only that it was an issue with their connection. However I would still rather not fly against them, or at least those of their bunch with the spotty connections, until or unless their networking issues are resolved because I can't afford to commit to a resolution on a phantom. It wastes time, energy, ammunition, and situational awareness.

That's it for now.

ROSS_Youss
06-28-2004, 04:05 AM
Small stats from server log file.

============================================

killed pilots from RUS-team = 5, from USA-team = 14
crafts down by RUSS-team = 35, by USA-team = 4

============================================
Cheat warning: RUS-team = 1, USA-team = 7

Chat: --- Takata - Cheating has been detected!
Chat: --- Takata - Cheating has been detected!
Chat: --- Takata - Cheating has been detected!
Chat: --- 161st_Schwank - Cheating has been detected!
Chat: --- TX-Gunslinger - Cheating has been detected!
Chat: --- TX-Gunslinger - Cheating has been detected!
Chat: --- TX-Gunslinger - Cheating has been detected!
Chat: --- ROSS_Navigator - Cheating has been detected!

============================================
Autokicked by server (too huge ping) : RUS-team = 0, USA-team = 2

Chat: --- Takata is autokicked by the host.
Chat: --- TX-Gunslinger is autokicked by the host.

============================================

I shall a little tell about personal impressions.

It was very interesting. Difficult contenders, heavy fight, is a lot of fan - what can be better?

Unfortunately, I cannot agree with statements of dear opponent about lags and warps.
I have already got used that as the reason of defeat is underlined - not the superiority of the opponent in skill, but only technical problems.

Sirs, look at result. 34:5. It is necessary to have honour to recognize that you have lost in fair and open fight.

From my impressions I can note the following lacks at our dear contenders:

- Absence of interaction
- Almost everyone battle in themselves
- There is no GROUP game. It not the team, is a set of singles.
- Shooting from too big distances
- At the slightest damage leave fight, leaving comrades in minority

It was very interesting fight. I would like it to repeat.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

P.S. Sorry for my bad English. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Diablo310th
06-28-2004, 08:50 AM
ROSS_Youss.......thank you and everyone on your side for a great fight. Your stratagy caught us. I was one of teh Jugs that first engaged at 7k. You guys are very good. I personally never saw any warping so my connection was fine. ~S~ to everyone who participated I had a great time.

http://img54.photobucket.com/albums/v166/310thDiablo/DiabloSig.gif

EZbusa
06-28-2004, 09:09 AM
Thanks to the members of Ross for a challenging game. You flew and fought well

From my perspective they played a very honorable game. Unfortunately I was killed in the first 20 minutes of the game http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
Not sure what we can do about the warping, possibly our or your web people can come up with some solutions to improve this situation.
I did not see that much warping myself.

Regardless these international games should improve with time as we spot areas in need of improvement.

I would like to thank the members of our USA team for Their dedication, quite a few of us devoted more hours than I care to admit too to insure this match took place.

I would like to thank ROSS for providing such a formidable foe. I look forward to meeting you in battle again.

Congratulations and salute sirs

http://home.earthlink.net/~dzeasley/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/ez1.jpg

[This message was edited by EZbusa on Mon June 28 2004 at 08:17 AM.]

steiner562
06-28-2004, 09:31 AM
I watched BOTH tracks, team USA seemed to be doing a lot of http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif skydiving http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://members.lycos.co.uk/sopie/public/UVSR.jpg

Atzebrueck
06-28-2004, 10:55 AM
Btw. don't judge the connection by watching the *.ntrk-files. In general, they show a lot of warping, which didn't occur during the match. It'll get even worse, if you are watching dogfights, that are kilometres away from the position of the recording plane (the "resolution" of the recorded data seems to depend on the distance).

my skins:
http://c.f.hahne.bei.t-online.de/skin.jpeg (http://www.vow-hq.com)

Cragger
06-28-2004, 11:01 AM
I'm sure it was a good match , unfortunately I had to work that day and was unable ot attend. That and the very rude response TOAD gave when I quiried the status of the match several pages back did not make me wish to partake in an event with such an attitude.

In responce to Youss's comments, you must admit sir that there was an underlying advantage technicalities aside in that ROSS is a group of people who have been playing together for quite some time and know how each other will react to given situations, vs a team that was a collection of various squadrons and independent members of these boards that have less than a months time working together.

Pro war events should be taken as good fun matches and not cold blooded competition. Leave that to the International LAN Competitions which you almost need riot police for (geeks can get pretty rilled up http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

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TheGozr
06-28-2004, 12:00 PM
Don't worry there are a lot of stress some time because many of us want to do their best.
It is understandable.

The most important thing is to have fun and have a great experience of flying and fighting.

We meet the best of the best pilots in the world and that it is a honor by it self. fight after fights we are becoming better pilots with better tactics and patience.
We can definitely understand the value and capability of our defined planes.

Russia will meet Germany at a chosen date very soon.
France have been prepared for quite some time now , they have their own mix team, they understood their lack in the anterior fights.They are ready to fight USA.
France at the first fight with Poland totally make the Polish team forfeit.

The teams are becoming more and more competitive and it is a great pleasure to see this happening.

The team work is greater now, killing points have no importance...Saving a team m8 is so rewarding.

-GOZR
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[This message was edited by TheGozr on Mon June 28 2004 at 12:22 PM.]

Diablo310th
06-28-2004, 01:05 PM
yesssssssss...France bring it on. I don't know about teh rest of you but I'm ready to avenge our last loss. Yeee Haww

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patch_adams
06-28-2004, 01:47 PM
I heard USA was missing a few top pilots.

LuftLuver
06-28-2004, 02:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by patch_adams:
I heard USA was missing a few top pilots.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Like you wouldn't believe.

Basically 2 established squads went up against 15 to 20 individuals. The result is not surprising in the least.

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"All your bases are belong to us."

LeChuck59
06-28-2004, 02:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by patch_adams:
I heard USA was missing a few top pilots.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sure we were, but that wasn't the problem. Essentially, our plan was based upon the presumption that the Russians would be flying low (under 4k). So when we ran into them at 7-8k and they were actually higher than we were, our plan was obviously no longer any good and our comms and flights were not organized in such a way that the situation could be assessed and a new plan developed on the fly. In other words, we had a plan that required the Russians to do what we expected them to do. So when they surprised us, we were all left to our own devices and it quickly devolved into what Ross_Youss described as "no GROUP game. It not the team, is a set of singles." It wasn't our intention to fly that way, but the Russians and our short sighted planning left us unable to do anything more.

As for the lag, I didn't mean to make that a big issue. Most of the Russian planes behaved normally. I'm really just talking about the planes involved in my first encounter, specifically the one that shot up my plane and forced me to bail. Because of the lag, his tracers were not passing near my plane and so I didn't know I was in real trouble until my engine suddenly stopped. Now sure you can be jumped, but I was aware of his presence. In a 51, I couldn't out turn him and so I could only react to his gun fire and hope that a team mate would peel him off. Without the ability to do the former, I had little chance. All of this is recorded just as it occurred in the track. The Russians were better than us, certainly, but something like that is still frustrating.

Osirisx9
06-28-2004, 03:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeChuck59:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by patch_adams:
I heard USA was missing a few top pilots.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sure we were, but that wasn't the problem. Essentially, our plan was based upon the presumption that the Russians would be flying low (under 4k). So when we ran into them at 7-8k and they were actually higher than we were, our plan was obviously no longer any good and our comms and flights were not organized in such a way that the situation could be assessed and a new plan developed on the fly. In other words, we had a plan that required the Russians to do what we expected them to do. So when they surprised us, we were all left to our own devices and it quickly devolved into what Ross_Youss described as "no GROUP game. It not the team, is a set of singles." It wasn't our intention to fly that way, but the Russians and our short sighted planning left us unable to do anything more.

As for the lag, I didn't mean to make that a big issue. Most of the Russian planes behaved normally. I'm really just talking about the planes involved in my first encounter, specifically the one that shot up my plane and forced me to bail. Because of the lag, his tracers were not passing near my plane and so I didn't know I was in real trouble until my engine suddenly stopped. Now sure you can be jumped, but I was aware of his presence. In a 51, I couldn't out turn him and so I could only react to his gun fire and hope that a team mate would peel him off. Without the ability to do the former, I had little chance. All of this is recorded just as it occurred in the track. The Russians were better than us, certainly, but something like that is still frustrating.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You seem to be the only one who experienced lag on that server. What are your machine specs. The server you were on has 4 gigs of ram, dual 3.06 xenons and is connected to a 10mbs line at a first class datacenter in NYC. The servers CPU is using just 2% of its capacity. Most of the pings in that room were below 200. If you were the only one experiencing that kind of lag, it is most likely your PC. sry

RAF238thOsiris

LeChuck59
06-28-2004, 04:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Osirisx9:

You seem to be the only one who experienced lag on that server. What are your machine specs. The server you were on has 4 gigs of ram, dual 3.06 xenons and is connected to a 10mbs line at a first class datacenter in NYC. The servers CPU is using just 2% of its capacity. Most of the pings in that room were below 200. If you were the only one experiencing that kind of lag, it is most likely your PC. sry

RAF238thOsiris<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's really not worth going into, but your dismissive "sry" got under my skin, so I'll go ahead and share my specs.

I'm running an AMD Athlon Mobile 2500 overclocked to 2.6ghz (13x200) with 1gb of Mushkin Level 1 PC3200 DDR Ram (timings 2-3-2) with a GeForce4 Ti4400 128mb and a cable internet connection.

It wasn't my machine and it wasn't my connection. I had pings at or below 50 all week long at practice and throughout the match on that very server.

You weren't there and I wasn't the only American pilot to experience the warping. Takata said this on Gozr's forum: "I didn't noticed lag, but complete warping with some players. Check "LeChuck"'s trak and watch for my plane (Nr 11 P51 at start to see what I mean)."

If you watch my track, you'll see that there were only a few Russian planes that warped, while all the American and most of the Russian planes behaved normally further indicating that the problem was not mine.

Now that's all I have to say abou the lag and I'm sorry I brough it up here, in this public space. It was really meant for those with whom I flew and I did not mean to excuse our loss or discredit our opponents.

I'll say again that they dominated us fair and square.

I only meant to share my observations of my .ntrk file.

[This message was edited by LeChuck59 on Mon June 28 2004 at 04:55 PM.]

gates123
06-28-2004, 04:28 PM
It really amazes me that you guys "assumed" that most of them were going to be at 4000m. I guess from now on it would be safer to "assume" their whole team will be at 10,000m, and work off that. GG

http://www.flightjournal.com/images/index_photos/gunslinging.jpg
Did anyone see that or was it just me?

LeChuck59
06-28-2004, 05:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gates123:
It really amazes me that you guys "assumed" that most of them were going to be at 4000m. I guess from now on it would be safer to "assume" their whole team will be at 10,000m, and work off that. GG

http://www.flightjournal.com/images/index_photos/gunslinging.jpg
Did anyone see that or was it just me?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The assumption (it works just as well without quotes) was based on past experience and the planes we expected them to be flying.

I've acknowledged already that our planning was shortsighted, but don't think we didn't practice long and hard and don't think that TX-Mongeuse, Pepper, TX-Razor and all the others spent hours working out or attack plan.

It didn't work, but it wasn't for lack of trying.

[This message was edited by LeChuck59 on Mon June 28 2004 at 05:05 PM.]

[This message was edited by LeChuck59 on Mon June 28 2004 at 05:06 PM.]

Osirisx9
06-28-2004, 05:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeChuck59:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Osirisx9:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeChuck59:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by patch_adams:
I heard USA was missing a few top pilots.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sure we were, but that wasn't the problem. Essentially, our plan was based upon the presumption that the Russians would be flying low (under 4k). So when we ran into them at 7-8k and they were actually higher than we were, our plan was obviously no longer any good and our comms and flights were not organized in such a way that the situation could be assessed and a new plan developed on the fly. In other words, we had a plan that required the Russians to do what we expected them to do. So when they surprised us, we were all left to our own devices and it quickly devolved into what Ross_Youss described as "no GROUP game. It not the team, is a set of singles." It wasn't our intention to fly that way, but the Russians and our short sighted planning left us unable to do anything more.

As for the lag, I didn't mean to make that a big issue. Most of the Russian planes behaved normally. I'm really just talking about the planes involved in my first encounter, specifically the one that shot up my plane and forced me to bail. Because of the lag, his tracers were not passing near my plane and so I didn't know I was in real trouble until my engine suddenly stopped. Now sure you can be jumped, but I was aware of his presence. In a 51, I couldn't out turn him and so I could only react to his gun fire and hope that a team mate would peel him off. Without the ability to do the former, I had little chance. All of this is recorded just as it occurred in the track. The Russians were better than us, certainly, but something like that is still frustrating.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You seem to be the only one who experienced lag on that server. What are your machine specs. The server you were on has 4 gigs of ram, dual 3.06 xenons and is connected to a 10mbs line at a first class datacenter in NYC. The servers CPU is using just 2% of its capacity. Most of the pings in that room were below 200. If you were the only one experiencing that kind of lag, it is most likely your PC. sry

RAF238thOsiris<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's really not worth going into, but your dismissive "sry" got under my skin, so I'll go ahead and share my specs.

I'm running an AMD Athlon Mobile 2500 overclocked to 2.6ghz (13x200) with 1gb of Mushkin Level 1 PC3200 DDR Ram (timings 2-3-2) with a GeForce4 Ti4400 128mb and a cable internet connection.

It wasn't my machine and it wasn't my connection. I had pings at or below 50 all week long at practice and throughout the match.

You weren't there. I wasn't the only American pilot to experience the warping. If you watch my track, you'll see that there were only a few Russian planes that warped, while all the American and most of the Russian planes behaved normally further indicating that the problem was not mine.

Now that's it for the lag and I'm sorry I brough it up here, in this public space. It was really meant for those with whom I flew and I did not mean to excuse our loss or discredit our opponents.

I'll say again that they dominated us fair and square.

I only meant to share my observations of my .ntrk file.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now are you blaming the server or are you blamming the Russians. I didn't mean to be dissmisive but everytime someone gets lag the first thing they do is blame the server. A simple thing as setting your netspeed to 8000 will smooth out lag for most individuals. Also just because your machine records lag and warp that doesnt mean that someone else would record the same thing from their machine. One thing that would help resolve this thing is to have another file of the match that was recorded on another machine. Hopefully we will see the same thing from different perspectives.

RAF238thOsiris

LeChuck59
06-28-2004, 06:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Osirisx9:

Now are you blaming the server or are you blamming the Russians. I didn't mean to be dissmisive but everytime someone gets lag the first thing they do is blame the server. A simple thing as setting your netspeed to 8000 will smooth out lag for most individuals. Also just because your machine records lag and warp that doesnt mean that someone else would record the same thing from their machine. One thing that would help resolve this thing is to have another file of the match that was recorded on another machine. Hopefully we will see the same thing from different perspectives.

RAF238thOsiris<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm, that could be it.

If you watch my track, one of the best examples of the warp is a russian tailing Mort, or perhaps its the other way around I don't remember now, but the two of them were in front of me. Mort flew off while the Russian coasted in front of me then warped around. The track records me looking back over my left shoulder and relocating that same plane (I was able to easily because he was smoking and the trail was consistent). Now, Mort was still with him. That means, I think, that he didn't warp on Mort's side, or at least not during that interim period. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been able to follow him.

So you were probably right after all. It probably was my system because I've no idea what this netspeed 8000 thing is you're talking about. I assume it's a console command that improves my computer's tolerance of lag. I'll look into that, or maybe someone could fill me in.

So anyway, that's one issue resolved. Now if only the judge wouldn't fly a Yak with Russian markings in the middle of the fight, I wouldn't shoot him down.

Takata_
06-28-2004, 06:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeChuck59:
You weren't there and I wasn't the only American pilot to experience the warping. Takata said this on Gozr's forum: "I didn't noticed lag, but complete warping with some players. Check "LeChuck"'s trak and watch for my plane (Nr 11 P51 at start to see what I mean)."
(...)
I only meant to share my observations of my .ntrk file <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi LeChuck!
Please, play 30 seconds of your match .ntrk and pause it. Then, scroll all planes of US side. You will see that you had an issue with at least TX_Monguse's spit and Takata's P-51 (mine). Then, if you check my plane from your .ntrk, it's warping all along

Then, play 30 seconds of Razor's .ntrk and you won't see any plane warping.

I was not talking about Russian planes. I noticed warping (with friends) at the begining of the game and I suspected skin downloads to be the cause. I had no lag at all during the game but after around 30 mn, my game crashed to desktop for unknow reason and I had to reconnect.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ROSS_Youss:
Cheat warning: RUS-team = 1, USA-team = 7

Chat: --- Takata - Cheating has been detected!
Chat: --- Takata - Cheating has been detected!
Chat: --- Takata - Cheating has been detected!
Chat: --- 161st_Schwank - Cheating has been detected!
Chat: --- TX-Gunslinger - Cheating has been detected!
Chat: --- TX-Gunslinger - Cheating has been detected!
Chat: --- TX-Gunslinger - Cheating has been detected!
Chat: --- ROSS_Navigator - Cheating has been detected!

============================================
Autokicked by server (too huge ping) : RUS-team = 0, USA-team = 2

Chat: --- Takata is autokicked by the host.
Chat: --- TX-Gunslinger is autokicked by the host.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This was not a connection problem. My ping was stable at 170 and never changed.
My game crashed with this log:

hs_err_pid1408.log
An unexpected exception has been detected in native code outside the VM.
Unexpected Signal : EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION occurred at PC=0xb6586e9
Function name=Java_com_maddox_il2_engine_EngineProfile_getL ow
Library=C:\Program Files\Ubi Soft\IL-2 Sturmovik Forgotten Battles\il2_core.dll
Local Time = Sun Jun 27 22:12:57 2004

T_O_A_D
06-28-2004, 07:06 PM
Well Hello Cragger

Nice mudslinging!
I took the liberty to repost Your question and my answer below. I don't see a problem with the short direct answer I gave.

But on Hindsight it seams clear to me if you couldn't take the time to read one page back to get upto date, then I doubt you had time to train the hours these other guys did. And train they did. As long as GOZR continues to allow organized teams go against random Forum members there will have to be some intense training beforehand. And that will most likely only gain a strong fight out of them against a organized team. I have mentioned before and will again the teams for both sides should not allow more than three same squad members to participate in said match,on the same side.

So that means If I was to fly in the match I could not bring anymore than 2 more 131st_VFW pilots with me to the match.

Now if you still think I'm an A$$ take it to Private topics so we can air it out amungst ourselves, and not be mudslinging in the open Forum.

Although I will just about bet you can ask any of the guys involved of my character and you will find your off base.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cragger:
I'm sure it was a good match , unfortunately I had to work that day and was unable ot attend. That and the very rude response TOAD gave when I quiried the status of the match several pages back did not make me wish to partake in an event with such an attitude.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
Read the last two pages and you would know. Yes it is still happening this Coming Sunday June 27th

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cragger:
Whats going on with this? Is it happeneing or not?

http://redspar.com/redrogue/cragger_sig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Have you checked your Private Topics recently? (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=ugtpc&s=400102)
My TrackIR fix, Read the whole thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=49310655&m=15310285&p=1)
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[This message was edited by T_O_A_D on Mon June 28 2004 at 11:22 PM.]

TheGozr
06-28-2004, 07:47 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Judge's track here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/showthread.php?s=8755141b1123bddccf927ede445c1939&threadid=134)

-GOZR
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TheGozr
06-28-2004, 08:02 PM
The cheat message doesn t correspond at all for cheating it is just a matter of changing some phrase in the net message. on my game i set up my message to tell me what going on.. and it doesn t say cheating.. no worry about cheating.

Lets me put it that way. i feel bad not to have play the Russian but we will again. The Russian showed us a good lesson to take example of it. I'm glad they showed up and fight, this will give us the reflection on what to train . We are not bad at all considering our facts, something i know for sure is if we take the time all together to train with many scenario as possible we will be at the top.
I thanks everyone for participating and Also The Russians.

Now the 2 greatest team will fight very soon GERMANY vs RUSSIA both are exemplary to their team coordinations, we need to see and take some notes.

Training i say and we will be The team to beat... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif it is just a fact.

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

TheGozr
06-28-2004, 09:58 PM
SAmmie is actually reviewing the problem with FBdeamon count.

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

Eagle_361st
06-29-2004, 12:11 AM
You can put me on the list for future matches gents. I will do all I can to be there for the training first and foremost as well as the match itself. I still think that the country teams should be comprised of no less than 3 different squads, this will even the field a little. A squad or two against a gaggle of different squads will wreak havoc everytime, as they are already more organised from the get go. Just my .02, I look forward to being there in teh future and I am sorry to have let you all down by not making this one.

~S!
Eagle
Commanding Officer 361st vFG
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JG27_Aristo
06-29-2004, 12:55 AM
im sorry i couldnt make it fellas my work schedule went to heck http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
aristo

Capt_Pepper
06-29-2004, 01:14 AM
S-All

Sorry for the late response, but I'm out of town for my job for the next several days and stuck with one really crappy laptop.

In short, while stuck on the plane, I wrote my thoughts about the whole thing before I knew the outcome. If you want to read a bunch of gibberish from someone pent up for too long, please see my post thanking all of the TEAM USA. It's posted on Gozr's site.

From what I've read here, yes, there seemed to be a few problems, but nothing that was anyone's fault and NO unfair play took place that I am aware of.

As for the Russian Team, I thought you all played an excellent match and won fair and square.....you guys are obviously an excellent team and I salute you all.

ROSS_Dis...thanks especially for your help just before the match. It was good to know we were able to work some things out at the last minute through open, helpful cooperation.

I wish you all the best of luck in your next match.

Once again, thanks to EVERYONE, and there were MANY, for making the whole thing possible. For those that couldn't make it, there will be other opportunities.

See you all in a few days....

Sincerely,
Pepper

GR142_Astro
06-29-2004, 01:53 AM
Pepper,

You and the other guys obviously put much effort into planning the attack. I came along late but you were all good enough to get me up to speed and I appreciate that. The match was pretty fun, and I agree with the fellow's comments about altitude advantages, etc. Also, Takata's comments from Gozr's site are right on the money. Our team sat on the runway for what seemed like an eternity trying to get everyone off in a certain order. Me and Takata eventually kicked the rudder and took off through the grass. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I think the match was over right then and there. I'm even wondering if their team wasn't lined up on the runway ready to go @ start engines. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

I destroyed a Yak3 but no pilot kill. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif If I had it to do over, I'd have flown a Yak from the start and taken on the ross people at mid-low altitude. Would have at least gotten a couple that way.

You TeamUSA guys were fun to fly around with and it was good to meet some new folks. Thanks for including me late, and I hope to see you guys on hyperlobby soon.

Thanks again Pepper

&lt;S&gt;

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____________________________

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Spectat0r
06-29-2004, 06:29 AM
Hi ALL
Dont take it seriously, its game - if you got fun - You WIN!

LeChuck
I think you problem - that you record track. Than game record track - Traffic grow considerable.Thats why you got lag.
No one from Rus team say any bad words about Server - All was good.

Thanks all.
ROSS_Dis

Diablo310th
06-29-2004, 08:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eagle_361st:
You can put me on the list for future matches gents. I will do all I can to be there for the training first and foremost as well as the match itself. I still think that the country teams should be comprised of no less than 3 different squads, this will even the field a little. A squad or two against a gaggle of different squads will wreak havoc everytime, as they are already more organised from the get go. Just my .02, I look forward to being there in teh future and I am sorry to have let you all down by not making this one.

~S!
Eagle
Commanding Officer 361st vFG
http://www.361stvfg.com
http://home.comcast.net/~smconlon/wsb/media/245357/site1079.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Eagle..I agree. An organized squad will usually beat a gaggle everytime. We appreciate all that you did anyway Eagle and I look forward to flying with you in our Jugs next time. Put me down for teh next one too.

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Takata_
06-29-2004, 06:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GR142_Astro:
(...) Also, Takata's comments from Gozr's site are right on the money. Our team sat on the runway for what seemed like an eternity trying to get everyone off in a certain order. Me and Takata eventually kicked the rudder and took off through the grass. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I think the match was over right then and there. I'm even wondering if their team wasn't lined up on the runway ready to go @ start engines. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hello Astro!

I investigated the .ntrk about the game start: official judge's one, LeChuck and Razor's track. None of them fully recorded the game from the Judge "engine start" order, but LeChuck and Razor's .ntrk have been started few seconds after the order was given to start our engines on.

There is an obvious "false start" situation because a complete wing of 5 ROSS Yak-3 were formed up with some alt above russian base when most our our engines were still off. What the judge asked us was to stay ready in our plane, engine off, and to wait untill his call for game start. Obviously, the rules were not understood the same by everybody:

From match event_log:

--&gt; FALSE START !!--------------------------------------------
RUS01 0:00:00 ROSS_Berkut:Yak-3 (in flight above russian base)
RUS02 0:00:00 ROSS_Slon:Yak-3 (in flight above russian base)
RUS03 0:00:00 ROSS_Werter:Yak-3 (in flight above russian base)
RUS04 0:00:00 ROSS_Dis:Yak-3P (in flight above russian base)
RUS05 0:00:00 ROSS_Krot:Yak-3 (in flight above russian base)
USA01 0:00:00 RAF238thKnight:SpitfireMkIXc (in flight above US base)

--&gt; JUDGE START !!--------------------------------------------
USA02 0:00:33 GR142_Astro:P-51D-20NA in flight at 37648.543 34198.242
USA03 0:01:00 TX-Monguse:SpitfireMkIXeCLP in flight at 37234.098 33457.523

--&gt; 1 min !!--------------------------------------------
USA04 0:01:04 Takata:P-51D-20NA in flight at 37505.676 34177.703
RUS06 0:01:59 =FB=Kgach:Bf-109K-4 in flight at 10668.69 31416.18
RUS07 0:01:41 ROSS_Crow has disconnected

--&gt; 2 min !!--------------------------------------------
RUS08 0:02:09 ROSS_Mihalich:Yak-3P in flight at 11055.271 30533.244
RUS09 0:02:10 =FB=VikS:Bf-109K-4 in flight at 10762.555 31660.848
USA05 0:02:11 LeChuck:P-51D-20NA in flight at 37286.7 32425.49
USA06 0:02:19 EZ1:P-51D-20NA in flight at 37256.35 32430.318
RUS10 0:02:24 ROSS_Navigator:Yak-3 in flight at 10907.769 30496.402
RUS11 0:02:30 =FB=LOFT:Bf-109K-4 in flight at 10711.216 31506.338
USA07 0:02:38 TX-Razor:P-38L in flight at 37340.92 32692.652
RUS12 0:02:43 =FB=TL:Bf-109K-4 in flight at 10963.119 30625.32
RUS13 0:02:59 =FB=Storm:Bf-109G-6AS in flight at 11089.63 32844.812

--&gt; 3 min !!--------------------------------------------
USA08 0:03:08 MORTIFERA:P-51D-20NA in flight at 37234.465 33384.633
USA09 0:03:10 WUAF_GenSwat:Bf-109K-4 in flight at 37364.86 32666.59
USA10 0:03:11 &lt;PF&gt;Rabitski:P-51D-20NA in flight at 37033.383 31856.479
USA11 0:03:31 161st_Schwank:P-47D-27 in flight at 37320.434 33764.21
RUS14 0:03:42 ROSS_Youss:I-185M-71 in flight at 10876.355 32128.523
USA12 0:03:50 310thDiablo:P-47D-27 in flight at 37302.633 31895.586

--&gt; 4 min !!--------------------------------------------
USA13 0:04:21 Pepper:P-38L in flight at 37290.383 33347.05
USA14 0:04:47 Viper:SpitfireMkIXc in flight at 36834.965 33156.402

--&gt; 5 min !!--------------------------------------------
UsA15 0:05:58 TX-Gunslinger:Fw-190D-9 in flight at 37333.51 33776.04

--&gt; 6 min !!--------------------------------------------
RUS15 0:06:29 ROSS_Kostolom:La-7 in flight at 11047.85 32854.75

--&gt; 0:59:07 Mission END

The other point is that they had only 5 planes on russian park areas at start because 5 were already in flight and all =FB= guys were still in ready room. This makes it much easier for them to take off and to form up. As it's shown in event_log, they had 12 pilots airborne in the first two minutes and US team still had 8 pilots to take off 3 to 5 minutes after the official start. This caused the main disuption in our weak organisation as they were above our base after less than 3 minutes flying. I've been personnaly bounced by two Yaks I didn't expected so close (above our own base and higher) at the time I was trying to find our other wingmen and form up with them. My prop pitch was hit and my engine goes crazy, I tried to land it, but I had to bail out over the base when I realised my landing gear was gone too.

That's where I discovered the second huge problem:

The server's script hasn't been restarted prior to game as it should have been neither it was working in counting the losses:

The first chat line with score went when the server recorded RAF238thKnight bail out. It was our first lost in game and I was the second one:

0:08:52 RAF238thKnight:SpitfireMkIXc damaged by landscape at 28472.486 32432.037
0:08:53 RAF238thKnight:SpitfireMkIXc shot down by ROSS_Navigator:Yak-3 at 28472.486 32432.037
0:10:31 Takata:P-51D-20NA(0) bailed out at 43588.625 40499.348
0:10:45 Takata:P-51D-20NA shot down by ROSS_Krot:Yak-3 at 44289.316 40553.53
0:11:06 RAF238thKnight:SpitfireMkIXc(0) successfully bailed out at 27719.104 31768.8
0:11:11 RAF238thKnight entered refly menu
0:12:02 Takata:P-51D-20NA(0) successfully bailed out at 44175.746 40856.234
0:12:02 Takata entered refly menu

Chat-&gt; at ~ 0:11:50 (first casualty recorded)
Server: RAF238thKnight bailed from aircraft in flight without crash (Red -1 plane)
Server: Mission Status: (Planes/Pilots) Blue(37/13) Red(29/16) -Remaining

That mean the score was off from game start:
- Blue had 37 planes and 13 pilots at game start insteed of 40/20
- Red had 30 planes and 16 pilots at game start insteed of 40/20

About the following count, I won't try to figure out what it counted, but I'm sure it's wrong again because when Russian base was under attack, three pilots and planes were killed there and
no even one plane was substracted from Blue total. It seems that only planes destroyed after a succesfull bailing out were counted destroyed for russian side. The event_log is sometime weird with events like that:

0:49:20 161st_Schwank:Fw-190A-9(0) successfully bailed out at 38264.562 32785.703
0:49:20 161st_Schwank entered refly menu
0:49:22 161st_Schwank:Fw-190A-9(0) successfully bailed out at 38271.66 32774.164

or worse:

0:45:42 161st_Schwank:Fw-190A-9(0) successfully bailed out at 41852.504 37524.125
0:45:42 161st_Schwank entered refly menu
0:45:51 161st_Schwank:Fw-190A-9(0) was killed at 41820.504 37489.883

Because everybody was supposed to disconnect himself after being killed (autokick was not working), we should not have those logs:

0:45:30 161st_Schwank:Fw-190A-9 shot down by ROSS_Dis:Yak-3P at 41944.34 37503.523
0:45:51 161st_Schwank:Fw-190A-9(0) was killed at 41820.504 37489.883
0:48:18 161st_Schwank:Fw-190A-9 shot down by ROSS_Slon:Yak-3 at 37117.836 32890.645
0:49:20 161st_Schwank:Fw-190A-9(0) successfully bailed out at 38264.562 32785.703
0:54:49 161st_Schwank:Fw-190D-9_Late shot down by =FB=Storm:Yak-9T at 37153.29 35915.668
0:55:04 161st_Schwank:Fw-190D-9_Late(0) was killed at 36605.76 35921.004
0:56:05 161st_Schwank:Fw-190D-9_Late(0) was killed at 37100.88 32176.55
0:56:05 161st_Schwank:Fw-190D-9_Late shot down by 49_Static at 37100.88 32176.55

From my point of vue, this match as an international competition is wrong from A to Z and result is invalid. The fault is not the Russian/USA teams, but the organisation and rules. We must have something better setled before playing any national encounters.

About Russian team, they were an expert squad with very good strategy, talented pilots and superior tactics. They sent to the US base a wing of 9 ROSS' Yak-3 at medium alt covered by 5 =FB= Bf-109K-4 at higher stage. After 5 minutes of game, US team was disorganised and never recovered. After one hour, most of us were dead. Our only major success (that was planed) was the attack of our P-38 at enemy base. The first raid took all AA guns and the second one killed 3 Russian pilots on the ground... more than 50% of russian total losses.

Thanx alot to russian players. They played fair and hard.

S~ Takata

(edit typos)

[This message was edited by Takata_ on Tue June 29 2004 at 05:23 PM.]

MORTIFERA
06-29-2004, 06:20 PM
RIGHT ON THE MONEY, TAKATA! How many remember the blue team typing: &lt;net speed&lt;anti cheat&lt; "something else"? we were asked to leave immediately after, talk to me guys!
Mort

Takata_
06-29-2004, 06:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MORTIFERA:
RIGHT ON THE MONEY, TAKATA! How many remember the blue team typing: &lt;net speed&lt;anti cheat&lt; "something else"? we were asked to leave immediately after, talk to me guys!
Mort<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just stop this crazy parano¯d stupidity Mortifera. ROSS_Youss was joking, but I'm pretty sure you can't get it.

Do you really think they had to cheat to beat us? I know and fought most of them before, all are very good pilots IMHO. Then, they fited two organised wings, used on comms and to fight together in many coops war missions. No doubt we were not such a challenge for them.

How do you want to beat expert Yak-3 pilots at 0-2k above our own base with Ponies?... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

In your dreams http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
We have to work on that, believe me.

S~ Takata

[This message was edited by Takata_ on Tue June 29 2004 at 05:53 PM.]

M.R.Maiornikov
06-29-2004, 06:57 PM
Where do you sign in to participate.I was reading about it for quite some time but i never actually participated.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Takata_
06-29-2004, 07:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MORTIFERA:
RIGHT ON THE MONEY, TAKATA! How many remember the blue team typing: &lt;net speed&lt;anti cheat&lt; "something else"? we were asked to leave immediately after, talk to me guys!
Mort<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

From what I remember it was:

chat: ROSS_Youss:&lt;secret_menu&lt;cheat_mode&lt;start
chat: =FB=Viks: and?
chat: ROSS_Youss: it doesn't work http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

It was a joke Mort and nobody told us to leave, it was just at the begining of the game.

Majornikov, ROSS_Dis is Russian team capitain. You should check with him about encounters.

S~ Takata

T_O_A_D
06-29-2004, 07:21 PM
This site is dedicated to all of it.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by M.R.Maiornikov:
Where do you sign in to participate.I was reading about it for quite some time but i never actually participated.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Spectat0r
06-30-2004, 12:25 AM
Takata
check yous event log and chat log, and you will se that Rus team turn engine on only after command.....

MORTIFERA

Thay can I say............... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
You luky boy couse...
Usually Youss joke was "Ctrl E &gt; shoow enemy position".
And its old joke....I see you didnt take a part in WOW,VEF

RAF238thKnight
06-30-2004, 03:51 AM
My question to you takata is how can you say it was a fair match when they had pilots airborn as stated in the rules they were not to even start egenines until the judge said go. They had them in the air and formed up on the deck and in waiting room I thought we all had to be in the game.

I trully believe a clearer understanding of the rules is in order.

I give them credit on there flying ability, but they were off deck before game start and according to you so was I so the match is a wash.

Knight

ROSS_Youss
06-30-2004, 05:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RAF238thKnight:
My question to you takata is how can you say it was a fair match when they had pilots airborn as stated in the rules they were not to even start egenines until the judge said go. They had them in the air and formed up on the deck and in waiting room I thought we all had to be in the game.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tacata can so to speak because he was mistaken.

When the judge has given a command "Engines!" All pilots of Russian-team were on the ground. Any at this time was not in flight.

Your conjectures about presence of unjustified advantage (early start) are not proved and senseless.

Try to look for the reason of defeat in other.

Takata_
06-30-2004, 05:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ROSS_Youss:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RAF238thKnight:
My question to you takata is how can you say it was a fair match when they had pilots airborn as stated in the rules they were not to even start egenines until the judge said go. They had them in the air and formed up on the deck and in waiting room I thought we all had to be in the game.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tacata can so to speak because he was mistaken.

When the judge has given a command "Engines!" All pilots of Russian-team were on the ground. Any at this time was not in flight.

Your conjectures about presence of unjustified advantage (early start) are not proved and senseless.

Try to look for the reason of defeat in other.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry Youss, but obviously game start was wrong. Judge .ntrk is not reccorded early enough to show it but two tracks reccorded by TX_Razor and LeChuck where started just when Judge give us the signal to start. Check it yourself with them.

In GOZR forum, =FB=Viks asked for a new rule for game start to avoid confusion. Rules must be blamed on this point, not the players as we don't know what Judge asked you to do at start or what you understand you had to do.

If this game must be canceled, it's mainly because of server's problem with script and score. This is not an excuse because we lost, but that's the way it should be dealed with this kind of problem, whoever is the winner.

About game start, I proposed new rules in GOZR forum for future match to avoid this. Check it and give your opinion on that please.

S~ Takata

LuftLuver
06-30-2004, 07:20 AM
Sounds like way too many problems in this match. The results are invalid.

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ROSS_Youss
06-30-2004, 07:40 AM
VikS: and?
Youss: not worked. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

This dialog was 30-40 sec after judges say "Engines!"

In track missed my phrases:

"START!!!"

"Game Menu&gt;Hidden Menu&gt;Cheat&gt;ON"

In this time (before VikS ask me) i talked with ROSSes, talked with FB, typed chat-messages...

I think - track record was started in 30-60 sec after judge signal.

I only can repeat - all RUS-team was on graund and waited for judge command.

ROSS_Youss
06-30-2004, 07:50 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LuftLuver:
Sounds like way too many problems in this match. The results are invalid.
QUOTE]

Your attempt to cancel result looks ridiculously.

Still nobody cancelled a presumption of innocence.

If you want to prove that on the part of our team there was an infringement of rules - give a track in which it is visible as the judge gives a command and in which it is visible that any plane of our team is in air.

If at you the track is not present is your problem.

By all legal canons all proofs should be submitted by the accusing side.

P.S. I have question to members USA-team: someone from you challenges results of a match? Or protests are heard only from persons not participating in game?

Spectat0r
06-30-2004, 07:51 AM
Sorry
But this is so stupid
Judge, with give command to start, was on our field and all see - tolk to him first before make any accusation.
He was specialy invitation to fight to prevent such ugly situation.

VikS
06-30-2004, 08:05 AM
Ehehe, why dont i surprized?
Aint satisfied with a count 35 to 4?

TheGozr
06-30-2004, 08:52 AM
The Major problem will be fixed in the Germany vs Russia.
Russia did a great job on given us a lesson, i say thank you to give us the opportunity to fight against such team and showing us that we must train and get organized. It's a Must in those fights.

We will train get organized and fight again. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
The Rules will be clear and easy to fallow by everyones from start.
I'm open to everyone suggestions..

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AdmiralWarlord
06-30-2004, 09:19 AM
I think no matter how many rematches there be - there will always be excuses by the losing team.

Diablo310th
06-30-2004, 09:32 AM
I for one had a great time. From everything I'm seeing I see several "problems" if u want to call them that.
1. language barrier.
2. unclear rules from teh start
3. we got outflown
4. we got our butts kicked.

I for one plan to practice more and hope to get better organized for teh next fight.

~S~ to all teh players both USA and Russian.

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-FB-Storm
06-30-2004, 09:38 AM
I have a question to US team members.

We all know the score of the match. We all know that by the match start server counted US team having 7 less planes and 3 more pilots then the Russian team.

Do you think the outcome of the match would've been different without this?

-FB-Storm
06-30-2004, 09:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Diablo310th:
I for one had a great time. From everything I'm seeing I see several "problems" if u want to call them that.
1. language barrier.
2. unclear rules from teh start
3. we got outflown
4. we got our butts kicked.

I for one plan to practice more and hope to get better organized for teh next fight.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I scored enough kills that match but I'm gonna do the same.

-FB-Storm
06-30-2004, 09:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Takata_:

In GOZR forum, =FB=Viks asked for a new rule for game start to avoid confusion. Rules must be blamed on this point, not the players as we don't know what Judge asked you to do at start or what you understand you had to do.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are not accurate here, VikS didn't post it there.

I think you should check if you are accurate in counting time after TO in that track.

Cragger
06-30-2004, 11:05 AM
This is really what I feared would happen all this bickering over the outcome. Its not like some international trophy is going to be awarded. They gave an opportunity for a rematch and won there may have been technical advantages for both sides but it was far better than the first match when the Russian team where connecting from so far away.

And TOAD I'm sorry but your responce felt very rude when I was inquiring about the status of the match, your wording seems to state I am too lazy to read the thread and find out. But you didn't know that I had to search to the 5th page of the forum just to find the thread and thought I had read every page and still had not come up with a confirmed date and time.

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Diablo310th
06-30-2004, 11:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -FB-Storm:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Diablo310th:
I for one had a great time. From everything I'm seeing I see several "problems" if u want to call them that.
1. language barrier.
2. unclear rules from teh start
3. we got outflown
4. we got our butts kicked.

I for one plan to practice more and hope to get better organized for teh next fight.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I scored enough kills that match but I'm gonna do the same.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

~S~ Storm..hope to meet up with ya again soon. I'm sure i was one of your kills. LOL Does anyone have teh link to where I can d/l teh trks??

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LeChuck59
06-30-2004, 12:30 PM
I haven't seen one US player say the Russian's cheated or in any way excuse our loss.

In fact I think we've all said numerous times that they totally annihilated us.

Our comments about lag and take off timing and various rules are not excuses. They may appear as such, but they are in fact valid concerns, lessons we learned from the match and would like to look at before we fly again.

RAF238thKnight
06-30-2004, 02:10 PM
Ross_Youss,

I personally was not accusing anyone at all of cheating, I for one questioned protocol.

One in any competition the captain of each team should be represented in the team check and visa versa.

I also was wondering why the match server host was ordered off the server I was ready and willing to do a restart so score would be refreshed. I also was kept out of the loop as to what was happening I would have quickly set the Judge up as an admin.

Second I agree with you, all trackes were started late I waited till the Judge said go and Takatas text has me in the air illegally. I WAITED! However, impaitent to scrap I was on the deck till go was given. I do not see the evidence of us taking off to early and the amount of time between bases was short enough for you to get there.

Thrid I had fun I first felt cheated in some sense but sometimes things happen that you can not change.

I feel however a rematch in time after 2.03 patch is in order.

To Gozr and crew I would luv to offer the birds of prey server for another go around. I would recomend that the Judge get in touch with me sooner so he can admin the match server.

Fourth it took me forever to get someone to tell me how to password the server. Now I know how it will be done.

fifth the map size needs to change IMHO. just rushing off into the grass to get up fast which I did because I new you were on your wayLOL.

Anyway good fight.

Knight

X_Ray_B-S
06-30-2004, 03:33 PM
Hi,

same after the match vs germany. US lose and the others are cheaters.

I know Ross from much matches and i know the US team- i never doubt about the result. It´s that easy. Ross are teamplayers with a very good taktik and skills. The flying barans are more then a legend.
After reading this- i see no need to fly vs us team again. You are more then bad losers.

cu
Blue_X-Ray

ps: feel free to ban me again for that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[This message was edited by X_Ray_B-S on Wed June 30 2004 at 02:50 PM.]

Takata_
06-30-2004, 03:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -FB-Storm:
I have a question to US team members.

We all know the score of the match. We all know that by the match start server counted US team having 7 less planes and 3 more pilots then the Russian team.

Do you think the outcome of the match would've been different without this?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

- I looked on the track to find what we (US team) did wrong at start - and eventualy what Russian team did best - to lose air superiority so fast over our own field. This was not to find cheating proof of anything because I agree we lost the game in the air and not elesewhere.

- Check all my posts about the game, I never accused anybody of cheating in russian team. Do not misunderstand my point. The only real proof of "cheating" I found was from one US player who died 3 times in game and never disconnected as everybody else have done.

- My ask for calling this game invalid is about the score, server settings and because lack of basic organisation (go to GOZR forum to see what I wrote):

1- Score is wrong: This game should have started with 40 planes and 20 pilots for each side. This point alone is enough to invalidate the result as game finished when all US planes were destroyed.

- Did USA and RUSSIA had the same number of plane at start?... NO! USA had 30 and RUSSIA 37

- Did USA and RUSSIA had the same number of pilots at start?... NO! USA had 16 and RUSSIA 13

2- Casuality decount is wrong in server's script: Show me the proof that script counted the three planes destroyed in Russian base under TX_Razor attack? Find it in chat logs please!! I can show you the destruction events:

0:33:29 =FB=VikS:SpitfireMkIXe damaged on the ground at 10873.376 32281.098
0:33:29 =FB=VikS:SpitfireMkIXe damaged by TX-Razor:P-38L at 10873.938 32280.477
0:33:29 =FB=VikS:SpitfireMkIXe(0) was wounded at 10873.938 32280.477
0:33:30 =FB=VikS:SpitfireMkIXe(0) was killed at 10873.938 32280.477
0:33:30 =FB=VikS:SpitfireMkIXe shot down by TX-Razor:P-38L at 10873.938 32280.477

0:34:06 =FB=TL:Yak-3P damaged on the ground at 10828.651 30938.037
0:34:07 =FB=TL:Yak-3P damaged by TX-Razor:P-38L at 10825.806 30926.176
0:34:07 =FB=TL:Yak-3P(0) was killed by TX-Razor:P-38L at 10819.637 30900.621
0:34:08 =FB=TL:Yak-3P shot down by TX-Razor:P-38L at 10819.637 30900.621

0:34:41 ROSS_Kostolom:Yak-3P damaged on the ground at 10790.79 32216.223
0:34:43 ROSS_Kostolom:Yak-3P(0) was killed at 10790.804 32216.232
0:34:43 ROSS_Kostolom:Yak-3P shot down by TX-Razor:P-38L at 10790.804 32216.232

Those loss are not discounted from Russian plane total. I don't wan't to check and double check all logs, but this is enough to state the server and script were not ready for any competition game. So, as an official competition game, the result have to be cancelled for technical reason. Then, we have to fix those technical issues and replay this game again.

Among those technical issues, game start is one of them and I proposed a new rule.

How the official track was reccorded by Judge, where are the official chat logs and event logs? The track reccorded doesn't reccord the game from start as it should and no logs has been displayed. This should be fixed too.

Everybody in TeamUSA agree you were far superior. Isn't it enough for you?. No doubt you will won the next match we have to replay.

Anyway, it was fun, wasn't it?
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

S~ Takata

Takata_
06-30-2004, 04:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -FB-Storm:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Takata_:

In GOZR forum, =FB=Viks asked for a new rule for game start to avoid confusion. Rules must be blamed on this point, not the players as we don't know what Judge asked you to do at start or what you understand you had to do.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are not accurate here, VikS didn't post it there.

I think you should check if you are accurate in counting time after TO in that track.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree, my mistake, it was you and not Viks:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -FB-Storm:
Thx to those who organized this event. Was fun

I think we can do some things to improve it. First the referee must have a strict list of orders clear to everyone. For ex. let's agree that the orders before take off should be:
1. GET READY
2. START ENGINES
3. ROLL

SO there won't be smth like START, cause pilots were wondering start engines or start to take off.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How many seconds from official game start to our track reccording? Very few in my opinion but nobody can tell us because the Judge didn't start his reccord before the game start.

Do you agree that 5 Yaks are formed up and at least at 1500m above russian base (above the clouds) when our track start?

I don't understand why those yaks and RAF238thKnight where up high in the air so fast. It took me 1+ mn to do so from our track start and I tried to be airborne as fast as possible from game start. I took-off from outside of the field and I was one of the first airborne in US side.

S~ Takata

Takata_
06-30-2004, 04:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Spectat0r:
Sorry
But this is so stupid
Judge, with give command to start, was on our field and all see - tolk to him first before make any accusation.
He was specialy invitation to fight to prevent such ugly situation.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry Dis, but something is wrong here too. Judge has not stay in any team base but in his own neutral base. Judge's plane has been destroyed in the ground under our attacks. It was not fair to count it as a casuality for your side, but hopefully, script score missed it again and it was not:

0:33:21 CK_Aigle_Noir:Bf-109G-2 damaged by Pepper:SpitfireMkIXeCLP at 10613.771 31362.898
0:34:56 CK_Aigle_Noir:Bf-109G-2 crashed at 10613.618 31362.695

CK_Aigle_Noir was the game Judge.
- another proof of bad script and bad rule to fix.

By the way, being grounded in a park area in full cockpitt can't give you the ability to really see what players are doing around. That's the reason I asked we all start from Ready room - and not from the park area - when Judge give the call for Game Start. Judge will be alone in the map and all players in ready room, so he can check pressing "S" key and see that everybody is not in plane.

S~ Takata

edit typo

[This message was edited by Takata_ on Wed June 30 2004 at 03:43 PM.]

Takata_
06-30-2004, 04:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by X_Ray_B-S:
Hi,

same after the match vs germany. US lose and the others are cheaters.

I know Ross from much matches and i know the US team- i never doubt about the result. It´s that easy. Ross are teamplayers with a very good taktik and skills. The flying barans are more then a legend.
After reading this- i see no need to fly vs us team again. You are more then bad losers.

cu
Blue_X-Ray

ps: feel free to ban me again for that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[This message was edited by X_Ray_B-S on Wed June 30 2004 at 02:50 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You missed my point Blue. I would have writed the same thing if TeamUSA had won and Russia lost. The goal is to fix the rules for good competition matches and valid result nobody can argue with.

S~ Takata

patch_adams
06-30-2004, 04:59 PM
who cares

LeChuck59
06-30-2004, 07:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by patch_adams:
who cares<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The players involved.

PBNA-Boosher
06-30-2004, 07:15 PM
C'mon guys, Winning's for losers! I don't give a flying elephant with an apple shoves up its a$$ who won. We pretty much knew who would from the start! I'm sure the US put up a good fight, but the fact is, the better team won. That's all that can be said.

The only REALLY IMPORTANT question I have to ask EVERYONE THAT PARTICIPATED, because I couldn't partake in the match:

Did you guys have fun? If you didn't, what the hell were you doing there? So come on, spill, did you have fun, and why?

For IL2's sake, let the old Cold War prejudices drop. We're allies now!

LeChuck59
06-30-2004, 07:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
C'mon guys, Winning's for losers! I don't give a flying elephant with an apple shoves up its a$$ who won. We pretty much knew who would from the start! I'm sure the US put up a good fight, but the fact is, the better team won. That's all that can be said.

The only REALLY IMPORTANT question I have to ask EVERYONE THAT PARTICIPATED, because I couldn't partake in the match:

Did you guys have fun? If you didn't, what the hell were you doing there? So come on, spill, did you have fun, and why?

For IL2's sake, let the old Cold War prejudices drop. We're allies now!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where are these cold war prejudices of which you speak? Why can't we discuss issues concerning the rules and such without being told to stop whining?

To answer your question, yes, I had fun, but I wish we could work to make it more fun without everyone else jumping in and calling foul.

heywooood
06-30-2004, 08:02 PM
wow

http://www.robkruyt.com/J/images/J-Smil.jpg

you guys have no grace - no grace at all.

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/3tbm_avenger.jpg
Goin'fishin'

TheGozr
06-30-2004, 08:36 PM
-FB-Storm in the next Match i'll be there fighting those planes down low with some others that didn't make it as well, i think that would of make some differences http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

That why it will be a Great Fun to see.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm telling you it's all OLEG's fault http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--Competition Level IL2fb here (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/)

[This message was edited by TheGozr on Wed June 30 2004 at 07:51 PM.]

LeChuck59
06-30-2004, 08:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by heywooood:
wow

http://www.robkruyt.com/J/images/J-Smil.jpg

you guys have no grace - no grace at all.

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/3tbm_avenger.jpg
Goin'fishin'



<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


What? I don't follow.

heywooood
06-30-2004, 09:22 PM
you dont follow?...This looks like ten + pages of pure unsporting **** to me. Why dont you right click the image I posted and click on properties and look at what the woman in the pic does for a living...maybe you will see what is more important than who won this tourney. And maybe next time people will accept defeat in such relatively meaningless endeavors with more grace http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/3tbm_avenger.jpg
Goin'fishin'

RAF238thKnight
06-30-2004, 10:36 PM
Ok for all those not even envolved high jack some other thread. All we are trying to do is discuss what occured and how we can make it better. So to answer the did I have fun post YES I DID, Could there be better protocol in these international matches YES. That is all we are talking about.

We got beat fair and square in my oppinion they beat us off the deck.

Two major problems though:

3 Killed pilots comming back when not allowed to.

The game admin not being aloud to restart the mission map to make the count right.

I SAY AGAIN THEY OUT FLEW US AND WON IN AN UNEQUALED MATCH NO BIGGY THERE WILL BE MORE LOL!!!!!!!

We are trying to make them even for everyone to enjoy so there are no foul ups.

Knight

-FB-Storm
07-01-2004, 01:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeChuck59:
I haven't seen one US player say the Russian's cheated or in any way excuse our loss.

In fact I think we've all said numerous times that they totally annihilated us.

Our comments about lag and take off timing and various rules are not excuses. They may appear as such, but they are in fact valid concerns, lessons we learned from the match and would like to look at before we fly again.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gozr made a special topic on his board for advices on how to improve protocol of these matches. That's where all advices should be posted. I don't get why the protocol is discussed all over the other boards. Is it _that_ interesting?

I hate seeing debrifing turning out into lawers debate.

You have thoughts on improving this game. Great! Answer Gozr, cause he asked for it.

LeChuck59
07-01-2004, 05:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by heywooood:
you dont follow?...This looks like ten + pages of pure unsporting **** to me. Why dont you right click the image I posted and click on properties and look at what the woman in the pic does for a living...maybe you will see what is more important than who won this tourney. And maybe next time people will accept defeat in such relatively meaningless endeavors with more grace http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/3tbm_avenger.jpg
Goin'fishin'



<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You need to either read every post in the thread or brush up on your learning comprehension skills because at no point has anyone said anything other than "The Russians dominated us." in regards to the outcome of the match.

The rest of the comments either relate to the technical quality of the match, which was lacking, or they're posts defending the integrity of the former.

Neither robs the Russian's of their victory or excuse our loss. Both are based on the truth. You'd know that if you had participated in the match and if you had read all of my and Knight's posts.

So how many times do Knight and I have to say that this is meant to be a constructive look at the match to improve our next experience?

You talk about grace, but what of it is there in posting a cute little picture meant to dismiss and demean uur valid, and I assure you again that they are, concerns?

[This message was edited by LeChuck59 on Thu July 01 2004 at 04:25 AM.]

TX-Monguse
07-01-2004, 05:21 AM
May I suggest we knock this off!

This bickering will kill what most of the TeamUSA pilots want this competition to be.

As Harry Truman said, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen"

If we have something to say about the match, (positive feedback only please) take it to TeamUSA web site.

I know for a fact that -FB- and Ross_ are great pilots with deadly accuracy. Regardless of us getting off the ground. They beat us, How many took off, how many we had. It boils down to air to air combat, dog fighting.

You can not beat a yak on the deck with a P-51 period.

To -FB- and Ross salute! If you want to PM me at Gozr's site you are welcomed to do so. I hold absolutely no ill feelings to you at all.

I would prefer to have a civilized conversation thread on Gozr's site, on how we could better this competition for everyone involved (France, Germany, Russia, USA, Poland, Sweden).

For everyone: These competitions are meant to allow us to have fun with a spirit of competition and to fly with better opponents. If you are willing to fly with us and hone your expertice , you are flying with the right group.


S~ to everyone.

S~
TX-Monguse
TX Squadron War Room General

T_O_A_D
07-01-2004, 05:48 AM
Ok anyone wanting to fly for TEAM USA

Go HERE (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=17)

If you are not able to view or post in this area go HERE (http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/showthread.php?s=&postid=864#post864) and list your name.

Have you checked your Private Topics recently? (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=ugtpc&s=400102)
My TrackIR fix, Read the whole thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=49310655&m=15310285&p=1)
Commanding Officer of the 131st_VFW (http://www.geocities.com/vfw_131st/)
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Spectat0r
07-01-2004, 07:25 AM
S! TX-Monguse

ROSS_Dis

LeChuck59
07-01-2004, 02:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TX-Monguse:
May I suggest we knock this off!

This bickering will kill what most of the TeamUSA pilots want this competition to be.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not bickering.

I'm defending the validity of my original post.

Any negativity on my part is not a result of the match. These posts of mine are not sour grapes. I'm just frustrated by the members of this forum that were not involved in the match and cannot now be bothered to read my posts or watch the tracks, but are compelled to respond negatively to my concerns and observations anyway.

I'll stop now, because it's clear that I cannot make my intent known to these people. They don't care to listen. I only hope that the members of Team USA with whom I flew do not think ill of me for attempting to defend myself in the face of unwarranted and repeated criticism.

TX-Monguse
07-01-2004, 04:07 PM
LeChuck59,

No problem mate, understood.

S~
TX-Monguse
TX Squadron War Room General