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icrash
03-31-2004, 05:13 PM
O.k. I can see where the interior of a B-17 would be time consuming. I got to go through one (definately made for short people & I played havoc climbing in). Definately not a bird for those who hate tight places either. If Oleg & crew can make this flyable, they are the masters http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif.
http://img38.photobucket.com/albums/v117/icrash/scott05-R1-045-21.jpg

icrash
03-31-2004, 05:13 PM
O.k. I can see where the interior of a B-17 would be time consuming. I got to go through one (definately made for short people & I played havoc climbing in). Definately not a bird for those who hate tight places either. If Oleg & crew can make this flyable, they are the masters http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif.
http://img38.photobucket.com/albums/v117/icrash/scott05-R1-045-21.jpg

p1ngu666
03-31-2004, 05:30 PM
nice
any more pics?http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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GAU-8
03-31-2004, 06:49 PM
i have some.. i went to florida last summer. went to an air museum.. nobody around.. so i clammered not "in" but i stood on stuff to technically be inside the aircraft being restored. plus inside pics of a ball turret (cant find the best ones!!!!) anyways. as soon as they go to photobucket, ill try to post em here.

jimmyboy99
03-31-2004, 07:06 PM
here are some pics of the interior of a b-17, i didnt take them but they are pretty cool. o ya and by the looks of'em it does look very cramp lol ok well enjoy.

http://www.us-aircraft.com/walk/dpluth/b-17/dpb17walk.htm

Bearcat99
03-31-2004, 07:13 PM
I was amazed at how small the B-17 was, I was in one too in Florida at Fantasy of Flight Kermit Weeks' place. My hope is that when Oleg does the bombers that he releases them with pilot & bombardier stations if the rest is not done.

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GAU-8
03-31-2004, 07:29 PM
for some reason i cant load the ball turret pics to photo bucket.. anyways, here are the other pics...(hopefully) nothing great..just the innards an stuff

http://img44.photobucket.com/albums/v135/GAU-8/B-17_PICS_3.jpg

http://img44.photobucket.com/albums/v135/GAU-8/B-17_PICS_2.jpg

im sure you all will let me know if i did it wrong http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

icrash
04-01-2004, 07:14 PM
I have some more pics. Sort of a virtual tour I guess. Will get them posted soon. I would have had some interior shots of a B-24, but the were working on her & I couldn't get inside.

Call_me_Kanno
04-01-2004, 07:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I was in one too in Florida at Fantasy of Flight Kermit Weeks' place. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was in the same one Bearcat not too long ago. I came away with the same impression. Very tight in there. I liked when you walk through the bombay and they have that WWII footage showing making it look as if your looking at the ground through the bombay doors from thousands of feet up with flak going off below you.

http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v22/Kanno/Sig.jpg

icrash
04-02-2004, 07:54 PM
here is a couple more pics. Going thru the bombay was something else (too darned narrow). No way I'd cross that sucker in the air, I hate heights unless I'm enclosed.

http://img38.photobucket.com/albums/v117/icrash/rohne05-R1-004-0A.jpg


http://img38.photobucket.com/albums/v117/icrash/scott05-R1-047-22.jpg

Zeus-cat
04-02-2004, 08:22 PM
I've been in one myself. I turned sideways to shuffle my way through the bombay. I can't imagine being in one of these things in combat.

A restoration group is bringing a B-17 to my town this summer. $400 for a flight of just over an hour. You can't sit in the pilot's seat, but you can move around the rest of the plane in flight. Pretty steep, but still thinking about it.

Zeus-cat

heywooood
04-02-2004, 08:38 PM
They ARE small - the one in Chino is open and you can go all over it.. The Skyraider is as big and can carry 3 times the load.

jimmyboy99
04-08-2004, 11:57 AM
wiat ur talking about chino california right. cause if u are i got to go im like a half hr away. i didnt now they had one there has it always been there, i didnt see it last time i went.

GAU-8
04-08-2004, 01:31 PM
about bombloads, ive heard that the 17 could actually carry quite a bit more wieght wise, but the bomb bay/aircraft wasnt well thought out about being able to carry more.

also, there was a 5 ENGINED b-17 . the nose was taken out, and a massive engine was put in place. how did it do?

that single engine had so much power, while the others were turned OFF, and it was still stressing the skin from the power/speed of it. (thats what i was told at the kissimee warbird museum)..maybe pics of it on the net..

GAU-8
04-08-2004, 01:36 PM
k heres the small link, about the 12 pic down on the right.

http://www.armyairforces.com/b-17restored-s.asp

DONB3397
04-08-2004, 01:43 PM
Cramped. Imagine how the flight engineer from a B-17 would have felt walking through the cabin of, say, a DC-10 or 747!

Actually, the Collings Foundation has a flying B-17 ("9-0-9") that you can fly in. I've taken a similar flight in their B-24 ("Dragon and His Tail") which seemed relatively small; but the B-17 interior is tighter. Not a real comfortable place to spend 10 hours airborne, in sub-zero, unpressurized conditions.

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Aaron_GT
04-08-2004, 01:53 PM
B17s are like a reverse Tardis - big on
the outside, small on the inside. I think
Sally B still has part of my forehead
attached to the instrument panel where I
didn't duck low enough looking at the
bombardier's position.

Korolov
04-08-2004, 02:01 PM
Whatever happened to the guy who was doing the cockpit for the B-17? Seems like he just vanished...

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altstiff
04-08-2004, 04:36 PM
I have been in a Lancaster and they were pretty big in the day.

Compared to today's planes they are dwarfs but back then they were the giants of the sky.

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icrash
04-09-2004, 08:33 PM
Hey Don, how noisy was the B-24? Just curious and all. I didn't get any interior shots of it when it was in town (they working on it). Didn't the B-17G have a dorsal gun but not in a turret?

Fennec_P
04-09-2004, 08:59 PM
Above the radio room was a gun.

But many (most?) late B-17G did not have it. Field of fire was small, and radio operator usually had a job to do.

Undertow22
04-09-2004, 11:50 PM
http://img47.photobucket.com/albums/v145/Undertow22/ball_turret.jpg

Taylortony
04-10-2004, 05:36 AM
To see the insides of the B17 in spectacular fashion there is only one place to go, this gives you it from the ground up and is breathtaking see http://www.ultimatesacrifice.com/

click on Sal Restoration
Fuselage and it will give you about a 400 picture rebuild guide that is awesome, shots off it below..I gotta admit this is what I enjoy doing when I get a smashed up crashed aircraft and bring it back to life at work, it gives me a whole lot of satisfaction except mine are the run of the mill puddle jumpers and have to fly again, but the principals are exactly the same http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://www.ultimatesacrifice.com/Sal_pic_094.jpg

http://www.ultimatesacrifice.com/Sal_pic_145.jpg

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DONB3397
04-10-2004, 08:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by icrash:
Hey Don, how noisy was the B-24? Just curious and all. I didn't get any interior shots of it when it was in town (they working on it). Didn't the B-17G have a dorsal gun but not in a turret?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I spent most of the time in the B-24 at the waist gunners position with the wind swirling in an around the fuselage. It was like riding in an open truck to some extent; very noisy with the exhausts just outside the ports and the wind noise. Up front, past the bomb bay, the radioman's and flight engineer's station was relatively quiet except for the engine noise. The cockpit was reasonably quiet, though it was a hot day and both side panels were open. Down in the nose, under the cockpit was even less noisy. But back in the tail (gunner position), the wind noise was quite high. A B-24 is much more open than the B-17. Most can stand up in the center section.

The B-17B, C and D did have a "teardrop" shaped dorsal gun position in the belly. But the B-17E had both a small belly and top turret by the end of the production run. The F and G both had a larger ball turret in the belly, with full lateral rotation and vertical movement. The gunner actually climbed into the ball...but it was tight. Most belly gunners in these variants must have been small men.

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DONB3397
04-10-2004, 08:02 AM
nt

[This message was edited by DONB3397 on Sat April 10 2004 at 07:47 AM.]

DONB3397
04-10-2004, 08:07 AM
Sorry for double post. Must learn to be more patient.

dahdah
04-10-2004, 08:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DONB3397:
Sorry for double post. Must learn to be more patient.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can always delete one of them.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Obi_Kwiet
04-10-2004, 09:23 AM
Argh. A while back a B-17 visited Tulsa and I got to go inside, so I took 63 pics of every angle of the external of the thing, but my Mom deleted them all. I did it with this in mind too. Argh! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

icrash
04-10-2004, 05:39 PM
thanks for all the posts. the pick are real nice. Don, thanks for the info on the B-24.