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Mitlov47
06-16-2004, 02:00 AM
It's been said here many times that the Dora is a plane that separates the men from the boys, that you "graduate" to a Dora "when you're ready," etc.

Well, I'm an utter c--- pilot and I freely admit it, but I just downed three (AI) LA-7s in a low-altitude dogfight. Now, that might be child's play to a lot of you out there, a warm-up before the big game, but I have *never* done this with *any* other plane.

Why I think the 1944 Dora is an easy plane to fly:

* With "Eimegonnegete Notherbeer" activated, the engine is a champ. Accelerates like a bullet out of a gun, and has a great top speed. And you can keep Eimegonnegete Notherbeer activated all mission long.

* Climbs like a champ.

* Awesome roll rate.

* Immensely stable handling. It ain't gonna flop around when you try to turn like the A-series does, or flat spin like the P-47.

* Durable from almost any angle (glass jaw at 12 o'clock).

* Powerful, accurate guns with an absurdly high ammo count.

* Dives like Jacques Cousteau.

* Maintains energy pretty well if you don't try to fly it like a Gladiator.

These characteristics let you hit hard, extend outward and upward, then whip around and hit hard again. If someone gets on your six, shake 'em with that roll rate or just dive, out-run them, then turn on 'em. I find it incredibly user-friendly, and it makes my movements look more graceful and choreographed than they really are.

So this c--- pilot is saying: the Dora is one of the easiest planes to fly in the game.

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Mitlov47
06-16-2004, 02:00 AM
It's been said here many times that the Dora is a plane that separates the men from the boys, that you "graduate" to a Dora "when you're ready," etc.

Well, I'm an utter c--- pilot and I freely admit it, but I just downed three (AI) LA-7s in a low-altitude dogfight. Now, that might be child's play to a lot of you out there, a warm-up before the big game, but I have *never* done this with *any* other plane.

Why I think the 1944 Dora is an easy plane to fly:

* With "Eimegonnegete Notherbeer" activated, the engine is a champ. Accelerates like a bullet out of a gun, and has a great top speed. And you can keep Eimegonnegete Notherbeer activated all mission long.

* Climbs like a champ.

* Awesome roll rate.

* Immensely stable handling. It ain't gonna flop around when you try to turn like the A-series does, or flat spin like the P-47.

* Durable from almost any angle (glass jaw at 12 o'clock).

* Powerful, accurate guns with an absurdly high ammo count.

* Dives like Jacques Cousteau.

* Maintains energy pretty well if you don't try to fly it like a Gladiator.

These characteristics let you hit hard, extend outward and upward, then whip around and hit hard again. If someone gets on your six, shake 'em with that roll rate or just dive, out-run them, then turn on 'em. I find it incredibly user-friendly, and it makes my movements look more graceful and choreographed than they really are.

So this c--- pilot is saying: the Dora is one of the easiest planes to fly in the game.

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HuninMunin
06-16-2004, 02:26 AM
Ya should have flown it in 2.00.
The armament was a joke.

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
06-16-2004, 02:34 AM
uhm well good for you now go online in a full server and come back

i think your trolling

stable handling ?
ROFLMAO sorry this is just highly laughable

Durable ? one hit in the wings and your out of the fight.

climb is ok but any late 109 outclimbs it and out accelerates it

its a very good fighter and sure is fast as it should be but speed only wont let you win a fight

Deflection Shooting is friggin hard with only 2 Mg151s and the crappy forward view


Maintains Energy pretty well ?
compared to what ,a P47? lol

i like what your saying about the rollrate
"when someones on your six shake it with your rollrate"

explain please
if i see a FW rolling hard and jerking the stick he looses all its E in seconds and i just climb up and got a huge advantage and spray him with the 50s


Oh and invite you to show you how easy it is to fly when you dont have any alt or speed advantage against a Spit or P51

Who said it was an expert plane ?
it sure takes skill to fly it
thats why you dont see them that much in servers but im sur they are all wrong

you sound like its a n00bie plane
like its flying like a La7 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

nice try though http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Mitlov47
06-16-2004, 02:43 AM
Sorry buddy, I'm not trolling, I found a new favorite plane. No troll here.

Stable handling? Yes, stable. It feels like it's on rails. Not the fastest turner, but it feels "planted" all the time. Don't know how else to describe it.

You think deflection shooting is hard int a FW-190? Take the P-63 for a spin. Yeah, deflection shooting with a FW-190 is harder than a P-51 or P-47, but everything is.

Shake someone with your roll rate? I'm not talking about the "Focke-Wulf Flop here." Either do scissors, or split-S before they have time to react.

All the "yeah, try it against the best online" bravado really doesn't mean much, because I wouldn't expect to win against them flying ANYTHING. I never claimed to be a great flyer in ANY bird.

But the fact is, I get kills as easily with this as I do with a Ki-84. I don't have any stats to back me up. Yes, a LA-7 can outturn it and a 109 can out-climb it, but I've never been as successful in either of those as I am with the Dora. That's my whole point. And I've tried 'em all, countless times.

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[This message was edited by Mitlov47 on Wed June 16 2004 at 01:54 AM.]

HuninMunin
06-16-2004, 02:50 AM
Some find it hard to fly, some like it.
It all depends on your POV.
Everyone gets along with the aircrafts differently.
If it fits your style of flying, perfect.
It certantly does fit mine.

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
06-16-2004, 02:56 AM
well the conclusion should be :
that it suits your style and fits your needs
maybe thats the whole point or maybe try it longer online and see how well you do in any situation http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

but saying that its one of the easiest planes to fly is just plain wrong


LOL im saying this a D9 jock myself hence my sig

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Fehler
06-16-2004, 03:17 AM
Hmm, the Dora is pretty good huh?

I'll have to take it up for a spin one of these days. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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jurinko
06-16-2004, 03:29 AM
hmm i shot down three dora attacking me at once online flying P-51b in V2.0 - low alt match. they could not follow any of my maneuvers, cos they flew on the edge of stall after slightest pull of the stick. 2.01/2 Fw s are much better.

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WOLFMondo
06-16-2004, 04:11 AM
I never found deflection shooting a problem in the FW's. Deflection shooting in the P63 is the hardest IMHO.

The Dora is a nice plane but its no P47 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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BBB_Hyperion
06-16-2004, 04:23 AM
Mitlov47 Now try this online best with some of the La7 aces out there http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. when you still can compete in it you can fly it .)

High Ground is not only more agreeable and salubrious, but more convenient from a military point of view; low ground is not only damp and unhealthy, but also disadvantageous for fighting.

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HART_dreyer
06-16-2004, 04:29 AM
The Dora is good because of the following (IMO):

1.) Fast roll rate which means it is excellent for various defensive maneuvers. You should be a hard target if you have a foe on your 6.

2.) It is durable in the sense that you can soak up some damage and return home alive, however it is NOT durable in the sense that after only a few hits in either wing you are no longer combat worthy.

3.) Decent armament and plenty of ammo. However I do wonder whatever the crack pipe Germans were thinking when loading the Dora with MG ammo for firing until next week. What were this MG used for, I'd rather remove 50% of it and get better performance, I've never ever used more than 10-30% of my ammo with a Dora.

4.) It accelerates well in a dive and can keep up the speed as long as you don't turn any.

5.) Good handling at high speeds (urk! 109).

6.) Climb-rate if you fly against the Russian's is superior.

7.) Takes a lot to overheat.

Bad things about the Dora:

1.) Climb-rate if you fly against the Western aircraft such as P-51 and Spitfire is not good enough to provide the Dora (or any FW190) with a good altitude advantage (one of the spitfires climbs even marginally better than the Dora '44 model). Wind up in a fight against either of these two aircraft at equal energy levels and you are going to be in trouble.

2.) As mentioned before it takes very few hits to render the Dora non-combat worthy. Fuel leaks mostly empties your tank quite fast.

3.) Can't do any sort of sustained turning.

4.) If you do any sort of sustained turning (or any turning at all really) it's going to bleed your energy faster than you can say "undermodelled".

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dadada1
06-16-2004, 05:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
I never found deflection shooting a problem in the FW's. Deflection shooting in the P63 is the hardest IMHO.

The Dora is a nice plane but its no P47 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
06-16-2004, 05:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
I never found deflection shooting a problem in the FW's. Deflection shooting in the P63 is the hardest IMHO.

The Dora is a nice plane but its no P47 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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ok thats true but now with the corrected 50cals you dont even need the cannon to take out or cripple a FW190 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

shooting with the ground pound weapon on airplanes yes your right D-O-H http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
taking out targets with a P63/P39 v2.02 WRONG

EDIT: IF i fly allieds im in a P47 or P40
i love that jumbo fighter http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Tully__
06-16-2004, 06:46 AM
Not my fave, but flown in a style that suits it very effective http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Glad you found a ride you like Mitlov.

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Mitlov47
06-16-2004, 11:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:
Mitlov47 Now try this online best with some of the La7 aces out there http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. when you still can compete in it you can fly it .)
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*cough cough*

Look above. You, know, where I said, All the "yeah, try it against the best online" bravado really doesn't mean much, because I wouldn't expect to win against them flying ANYTHING. I never claimed to be a great flyer in ANY bird.

The entire point of this thread is that I'm NOT an expert, I'm not an ace. Many posters on this forum feel that you've really got to be a pro to use the Dora in an effective manner at all, but I disagree. That's the point. You're missing it.

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Atomic_Marten
06-16-2004, 11:39 AM
I think best dogfighter A/C's in-game is Yak3&LAseries. Can't outturn them cant outclimb them, all u can do is run away if u are lucky http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif. I think Dora is no match for these birds really. Or any other A/C. That concludes my topic.

faustnik
06-16-2004, 11:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mitlov47:


The entire point of this thread is that I'm NOT an expert, I'm not an ace. Many posters on this forum feel that you've really got to be a pro to use the Dora in an effective manner at all, but I disagree. That's the point. You're missing it.

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It certainly is the easiest of the 190 family to fight in. very good climb (for a 190 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif ) and great speed. The cannon and MGs on seperate switches really helps too!

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BBB_Hyperion
06-16-2004, 11:54 AM
The Posters did mean Online i guess and that i mean too .) You need really a considerable knowledge of other planes weaknesses and of the dora performance datas to be successfull vs the late war planes. And that is what you face online la7 p51 p47 yak3 thats why it is considered hard to fly this plane efficient. Its by no way easy to fly under such conditions. You can exspect about minimum about 3 to 5 times less success compared to la7 for example cause you need to plan the setup and you just cant mix it up without having something on your tail fast.
You need to extend and hope that the Energie bleed wasnt that high. Its mostly a math calculation. You can only hope that other Pilots do some faults when you did one its mostly last http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

Thats why i consider the dora a hard plane to fly vs good opponents.Experts Only would be a little overdone but its surely not easy for starters.

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BuzzU
06-16-2004, 12:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mitlov47:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:
Mitlov47 Now try this online best with some of the La7 aces out there http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. when you still can compete in it you can fly it .)
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*cough cough*

Look above. You, know, where I said, _All the "yeah, try it against the best online" bravado really doesn't mean much, because I wouldn't expect to win against them flying ANYTHING. I never claimed to be a great flyer in ANY bird._

The entire point of this thread is that I'm NOT an expert, I'm not an ace. Many posters on this forum feel that you've really got to be a pro to use the Dora in an effective manner at all, but I disagree. That's the point. You're missing it.

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Hunde_3.JG51
06-16-2004, 12:33 PM
Back to the P-47 Buzz? Or are you just taking a break from the Mustang? P-51 not a challenge anymore http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif? j/k.

As for the Dora, I traded in my A-9 for the Dora and to be honest I think the Dora is easily one of the best prop planes in the game. I never feel out-classed in the 190D. However, it does take an experienced virtual pilot to know how to use her properly. I don't agree with "graduating to the Dora" and stuff like that, but the Dora requires tactics that most newcomers don't have a grasp of yet. And I'm happy for anyone who has discovered the joys of the Dora. It's not a noob plane, its not an experts plane, its a damn good fighter that requires an experienced pilot to be successful, like most planes.

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BaldieJr
06-16-2004, 12:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sunburst-97th:


its a very good fighter and sure is fast as it should be but speed only wont let you win a fight

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ZG77_Nagual
06-16-2004, 12:47 PM
I agree - I fly the dora when I need a break from the p38. She's an excellent ride.

BuzzU
06-16-2004, 01:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunde_3.JG51:
Back to the P-47 Buzz? Or are you just taking a break from the Mustang? P-51 not a challenge anymore http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif? j/k.

As for the Dora, I traded in my A-9 for the Dora and to be honest I think the Dora is easily one of the best prop planes in the game. I never feel out-classed in the 190D. However, it does take an experienced virtual pilot to know how to use her properly. I don't agree with "graduating to the Dora" and stuff like that, but the Dora requires tactics that most newcomers don't have a grasp of yet. And I'm happy for anyone who has discovered the joys of the Dora. It's not a noob plane, its not an experts plane, its a damn good fighter that requires an experienced pilot to be successful, like most planes.

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mortoma
06-16-2004, 01:47 PM
I agree with the original poster, it's a piece o' cake to fly and not any more challenging than any any average plane. The guy that responded contrary to the original poster's claim that it's stable and was "ROFLMAO", is wrong. It's a very stable plane in all but the longitudinal ( roll ) axis and even in that axis it's not that bad of you have a deft touch on the stick. If it was all that hard to fly, then why oh why is it so easy to collect kills in it?? It strokes the egos of some to imagine that their fave plane is
an experts plane, so therefore they must be an expert to be successfully flying it. When they fly it they are silently and gleefully proclaiming to the world, "Hey everybody, look at what I fly, I'm a macho stud I am"!!

faustnik
06-16-2004, 01:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:


The Jug is a little better now, and I use it 25% of the time. The P-51 is still my main ride though.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif


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06-16-2004, 02:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:


The Jug is a little better now, and I use it 25% of the time. The P-51 is still my main ride though.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif


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06-16-2004, 02:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:

I announced long before we got the P-51 that it would be the plane I fly, not matter how it turned out.
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i think i was a witness when he had done so http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

VW-IceFire
06-16-2004, 02:17 PM
Its not that you ever really graduate to the Dora...its either the plane fits you or it doesn't. Initially I couldn't figure it out...it was hard to fly and hard to manage and not many people were flying it. Over time its become easier...part of that seems to be how the flight modeling has evolved but also just experience. Its not for everyone but it is an awesome fighter if you have the right feel for it.

In the P-51 VS Dora debate...the matchup is overall an even one. Depends on pilot skill and tactical advantage rather than anything else.

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Mitlov47
06-16-2004, 02:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sunburst-97th:

its a very good fighter and sure is fast as it should be but speed only wont let you win a fight
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Oh, and about this point. No, speed alone won't let you win, but it's probably the #1 important characteristic of an effective fighter. Otherwise, an I-153P could eat a P-51 for breakfast, and modern militaries would fly biplanes instead of jet fighters.

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patch_adams
06-16-2004, 02:51 PM
ban the trolls?

Mitlov47
06-16-2004, 03:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by patch_adams:
ban the trolls?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who around here is a troll?

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patch_adams
06-16-2004, 03:07 PM
im considering notifying the moderators if you keep it up. I find it offensive, please stop.

Mitlov47
06-16-2004, 03:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by patch_adams:
im considering notifying the moderators if you keep it up. I find it offensive, please stop.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No seriously. What am I doing that you find so offensive. I don't get it. I'm discussing the merits of an aircraft here. Some people are disagreeing with me, some are agreeing. We are discussing the relative difficulty of flying a specific plane in IL-2, and we're discussing this on a general discussion board for IL-2. Isn't that what the board is here for?

You also jumped down my throat when I asked for technical help in changing menu music. I don't know how to do that off the top of my head. I'm not an expert computer guy. Somebody helped me, and then that thread quickly disappeared into the sands of time.

You've accused me of flooding the board with comments, but I have less than 500 comments in two years of board registration. And that includes comments on the Ghost Recon boards as well. To put this in perspective, you've made roughly 100 comments in one month, an average of three per day. If I was posting at your rate, I'd have about 2200 comments instead of 450.

Go ahead and notify the mods. I trust CrazyIvan to determine whether or not I need to be banned for discussing the merits of the FW-190-D9.

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[This message was edited by Mitlov47 on Wed June 16 2004 at 02:46 PM.]

Ob.Emann
06-16-2004, 05:40 PM
Well said, I don't know what area of his rectum patch_adams is pulling his allegations out of. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

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OldMan____
06-16-2004, 07:43 PM
Just asking opinion (so dont threaten me of ban please :P )

Why would someone fly the dora at normal combat (not very hihg altitude ones) when having the Anton 9 at disposal? At lower level I cannot finda any advantage for the dora. Can anyone? (besides looking better)

And I completely agree its not that difficult to play it! It is not the plane you should do your FIRST ride.. but is not that hard after you learn to be gentle. You can learn a lot by making AI dogfight against some LA 5 then LA 7.

So you learn the few minor holes in the supremacy of russian fighters (ie. learn to use fast roll offensively and defensively or die).


One SIMPLE tatic you can use is to abuse your ammo load.. spray a lot DRIVING enemy fighters in your front quadrant.. its usefull to make them loose energy.. do NEVER loose achance of a short burst with the machine guns

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!

Mitlov47
06-16-2004, 10:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OldMan____:
Why would someone fly the dora at normal combat (not very hihg altitude ones) when having the Anton 9 at disposal? At lower level I cannot finda any advantage for the dora. Can anyone? (besides looking better)
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good question, I was about to ask the more experienced members for the answer to that myself. It seems to me that the Dora is far less likely to stall and spin in a turn, though I'm not sure if that's my imagination or not. Also, the Dora seems slightly faster, though that might also be my imagination. One thing's for sure though: the Dora is MUCH prettier than the Anton.

Most of my flying is done at low altitude, so I'd love to hear the answer to this.

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
06-17-2004, 01:19 AM
for lower alts its gonna be dora all the way
shes faster ,climbs better and turns better
the only thing the A9/A8 has is outerwing cannons except for that the dora is way better

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Mitlov47
06-17-2004, 01:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sunburst-97th:
for lower alts its gonna be dora all the way
shes faster ,climbs better and turns better
the only thing the A9/A8 has is outerwing cannons except for that the dora is way better
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Thanks for clearing that up. It seemed that way to me, but I wasn't quite sure.

By the way, there's actually two advantages the A9/A8 has over the D9--the outerwing cannons that you mentioned, and the 500kg bomb. That's really useful in certain situations (especially online) where you want some real air-to-ground capability, but you don't want to take a dedicated ground-pounder.

At the end of the day, though, the Dora is still way prettier http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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WOLFMondo
06-17-2004, 01:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sunburst-97th:
for lower alts its gonna be dora all the way
shes faster ,climbs better and turns better
the only thing the A9/A8 has is outerwing cannons except for that the dora is way better

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My gunner isn't that great so I find the extra cannons in the A8/9 help.

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OldMan____
06-17-2004, 04:33 AM
I've been doing tests and cannot find this advantages in the Dora at low alt. At high ground (or sky) the DOra is really better, but close to ground NONE performance difference (nona that matters) while the Anton is more maneuverable (pitch), more firepower and is slightly smaller so is a harder target.

But DORA really seems to climb faster.

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!

robban75
06-17-2004, 06:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mitlov47:
Well, I'm an utter c--- pilot and I freely admit it, but I just downed three (AI) LA-7s in a low-altitude dogfight. Now, that might be child's play to a lot of you out there, a warm-up before the big game, but I have *never* done this with *any* other plane.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The La-7 is to me one of the toughest planes to beat, closely followed by the Yak-3 Ki-84 and Spitfire. Fighting against any other fighter is really a cakewalk, and fighting an AI controlled D-9 is one of the easiest.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Why I think the 1944 Dora is an easy plane to fly:

* Climbs like a champ.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It climbs fairly ok. very close to the real numbers.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>* Awesome roll rate.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Like it should

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>* Immensely stable handling. It ain't gonna flop around when you try to turn like the A-series does, or flat spin like the P-47.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not true. It's probably the most unstable gun platform in-game. Take for instance a Bf 109 for a flight, you'll notice that it is much more stable than the D-9.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>* Durable from almost any angle (glass jaw at 12 o'clock).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Compares very well to most other planes

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>* Powerful, accurate guns with an absurdly high ammo count.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As it should be

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>* Dives like Jacques Cousteau.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Like it should

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>* Maintains energy pretty well if you don't try to fly it like a Gladiator.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not as good as it should though. Pilots experienced that when fighting against VVS fighters at altitudes ranging from 3000-5000. The D-9 was capable of very tight turns without losing its E advantage.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>These characteristics let you hit hard, extend outward and upward, then whip around and hit hard again. If someone gets on your six, shake 'em with that roll rate or just dive, out-run them, then turn on 'em. I find it incredibly user-friendly, and it makes my movements look more graceful and choreographed than they really are.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In RL, pilots loved the D-9. And I love the D-9 in-game, even with its flaws. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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NorrisMcWhirter
06-17-2004, 10:04 AM
Hi,

I tend to agree, in a small way, with the original trol...er..poster. The D9 can be devastating but this is relative to the A series FWs as the D9 allows you to get out of trouble as quickly as you get into it.

The only reason why you see people flying the A and D series FWs again, post v2.01, is because you don't spend all day lining a shot up only to watch the intended fly off with a fuel leak after being hit with numerous cannon shells - I don't notice too great a difference in FM...

Online, cockpit on, the FW is still a nightmare due to the view but ultimately satisfying because it's not so easy to get kills with it.

Cheers,
Norris

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