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gorillasika
09-14-2004, 04:01 AM
Hey,

I started to play the excellent Italian campaign by Gaston a little while ago. Having blast with the G50.
One question came to mind. What are the origins of the Italian national emblem on planes? I mean the one with three vertical black things, what are they and where do they come from?

gorillasika
09-14-2004, 04:01 AM
Hey,

I started to play the excellent Italian campaign by Gaston a little while ago. Having blast with the G50.
One question came to mind. What are the origins of the Italian national emblem on planes? I mean the one with three vertical black things, what are they and where do they come from?

ELEM
09-14-2004, 04:10 AM
Check this link...

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/jgaxis.htm

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gorillasika
09-14-2004, 04:13 AM
Great link, thanks a lot! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Fehler
09-14-2004, 06:48 AM
They are asparagus stalks. All pilots were made to eat asparagus because the vitamin A in them were good for your eyes. This is also why no Italian pilot ever had to wear glasses!

The original symbol was going to be a noodle or the pizza slice, but it was soon realized that too many carbs were not good for you and too much cheese plugged you up. (Not good for those long flights ya know..)

Has anyone ever noticed the resemblance between George C. Scott and El Duce? He would have been great for the part in a movie depicting the dictator!

Anyways, the moral of this story is, if you want to be a good fighter pilot, you have to eat your asparagus. That's what my mom used to tell me when I was little... And dont throw pencils because every mother knows some kid that only has one eye from pencil throwing... (There's a lot of one eyed people in this world, I guess..) And if you shake a guy's hand and he has hair on his palms, you know what he has been doing in his spare time! - Things to live by...

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chris455
09-14-2004, 08:46 AM
The "three vertical things" were called Fasci and date to Roman times.

The Romans conquered many peples who had as yet no written language. In order to convey the idea of obedience to the subject peoples, the Romans developed a symbol featuring a bundle of reeds with an axehead attached to them. This was a simple, visual, and powerful way of saying "I can beat you, I can even kill you, if you do not obey".

The symbol was adopted by Mussolini's government and is, of course, where the term fascist is derived from.

http://members.cox.net/miataman1/p47n2.jpg

RotGolem
09-14-2004, 11:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by chris455:
The "three vertical things" were called _Fasci_ and date to Roman times.

The Romans conquered many peples who had as yet no written language. In order to convey the idea of obedience to the subject peoples, the Romans developed a symbol featuring a bundle of reeds with an axehead attached to them. This was a simple, visual, and powerful way of saying "I can beat you, I can even kill you, if you do not obey".

The symbol was adopted by Mussolini's government and is, of course, where the term _fascist_ is derived from.

http://members.cox.net/miataman1/p47n2.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pffftt... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

The fasci were a simbol of strenght through unity: a single reed can easily be broken, a bundle of them is unbreackable.

This concept was representative of the very philosophy of the Romans, which after conquering a land or population tried as hard as possible to integrate the best and most useful/interesting aspect of each other's culture into a bigger and better whole.
Until the advent of christianity the Roman Empire was the perfect example of religious integration.

Obviously fascism was a very different thing, although the origin is somewhat more noble.

Friendly_flyer
09-14-2004, 11:28 AM
Actually the fascis represent authority of Roman law. The symbolic meaning was bout the one suggested by Chris455 and the one sugested by RotGolem. In some European countries, among them Norway, the fascis is still used as a symbol for the police.

Fly friendly!

Petter Bøckman
Norway

MichaelMar
09-14-2004, 01:58 PM
What Italian campain are you talking about...what server???

THX

gorillasika
09-15-2004, 12:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MichaelMar:
What Italian campain are you talking about...what server???
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Offline campaign+Italian speechpack+skins etc. download "Italian campaign folder" from
http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-20.html

And thanks everybody for the answers.

MajorBloodnok
09-15-2004, 05:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Has anyone ever noticed the resemblance between George C. Scott and El Duce? He would have been great for the part in a movie depicting the dictator!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey, no fighting in the war room! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Aeronautico
09-15-2004, 08:00 AM
Who's "El Duce"?!

A!

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Airplanes are now built to carry a pilot and a dog in the cockpit: the pilot's job is
to feed the dog, and the dog's job is to bite the pilot if he touches anything...

- Arlen Rens, Lockheed Martin test pilot

MajorBloodnok
09-15-2004, 08:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aeronautico:
Who's "El Duce"?!

A!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Google is your friend http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Heavy_Weather
09-15-2004, 12:30 PM
i thought they were fine cigars http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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Aeronautico
09-19-2004, 07:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MajorBloodnok:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aeronautico:
Who's "El Duce"?!

A!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Google is your friend http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh! For one moment I thought he was referring to "il Duce", Benito Mussolini...
But that other dictator must be Spanish or something, right?

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

A!

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Airplanes are now built to carry a pilot and a dog in the cockpit: the pilot's job is
to feed the dog, and the dog's job is to bite the pilot if he touches anything...

- Arlen Rens, Lockheed Martin test pilot

Bearcat99
09-19-2004, 07:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ELEM:
Check this link...

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/jgaxis.htm

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

THAT IS A FANTASTIC LINK!!!!!!!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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Bula
09-19-2004, 08:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MajorBloodnok:
[QUOTE]Has anyone ever noticed the resemblance between George C. Scott and El Duce? He would have been great for the part in a movie depicting the dictator!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not sure if what you wrote is tongue-in-cheek or not, but George C. Scott did play Il Duce in a 1980s, made-for-TV miniseries.