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VFS-22_SPaRX
08-01-2004, 11:09 AM
For all you Eastern Front lovers out there, i put up an Eastern front server today for you all to enjoy. You can join it thru ASE or Direct IP. Due to Hyperlobbies limitatiions, i cannot list it in HL.

IP for the server is : 67.18.111.251

You are all more the welcome to use the Teamspeak server as well. I will setup some EF channels today. It is runnin the same settings as the Western front server. The 3 deathkick is also running. Right I have just set a standard planeset that will run through all maps. This can be tweaked if needed.

I hope you all will use the server. A lot of time an effort goes into setting up servers. So please do let the time i spent on it this morning goto waste.

S!

SPaRX

VFS-22_SPaRX
08-01-2004, 11:09 AM
For all you Eastern Front lovers out there, i put up an Eastern front server today for you all to enjoy. You can join it thru ASE or Direct IP. Due to Hyperlobbies limitatiions, i cannot list it in HL.

IP for the server is : 67.18.111.251

You are all more the welcome to use the Teamspeak server as well. I will setup some EF channels today. It is runnin the same settings as the Western front server. The 3 deathkick is also running. Right I have just set a standard planeset that will run through all maps. This can be tweaked if needed.

I hope you all will use the server. A lot of time an effort goes into setting up servers. So please do let the time i spent on it this morning goto waste.

S!

SPaRX

Diablo310th
08-01-2004, 11:16 AM
Sparx....that is great. Thank you...Even tho i can't fly my Jug here it will be a nice change of pace.

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LuftLuver
08-01-2004, 01:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VFS-22_SPaRX:
For all you Eastern Front lovers out there, i put up an Eastern front server today for you all to enjoy. You can join it thru ASE or Direct IP. Due to Hyperlobbies limitatiions, i cannot list it in HL.

IP for the server is : 67.18.111.251

You are all more the welcome to use the Teamspeak server as well. I will setup some EF channels today. It is runnin the same settings as the Western front server. The 3 deathkick is also running. Right I have just set a standard planeset that will run through all maps. This can be tweaked if needed.

I hope you all will use the server. A lot of time an effort goes into setting up servers. So please do let the time i spent on it this morning goto waste.

S!

SPaRX<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is great news SPaRX.

Many thanks for your contribution to IL2 online dogfighting.

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LeadSpitter_
08-01-2004, 01:14 PM
Donate and give this guy some cash. Hes running 3 servers come on people http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Theres so many warclouds regulars imagine if we didnt have the wc servers HL would be pretty dull. Only 2-3 other good servers besides Warclouds.

f16_dedicated
greatergreen
virtual pilots
Birds_of_prey

a couple others too but they are not up 24/7

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M.R.Maiornikov
08-01-2004, 02:53 PM
Thanks sparks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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wojtek_m
08-01-2004, 04:35 PM
Great news! Thank you very much for the server! Unfortunately nobody is on it right now (WarClouds1 is full)... it's surely due to the fact that it isn't listed on HL - is there a workaround to get it listed?

VFS-22_SPaRX
08-01-2004, 05:50 PM
No there is no work around. Only one server per physical box can be listed on HL. So for all you Easter front buffs out there, you are just going to have to use ASE or direct ip connections.

The only other alternative would be for me to rent another server, but i do not have enough in server fund donations to do this.

S~

sparx

wojtek_m
08-01-2004, 06:25 PM
Maybe you could include the eastern front server adress in the WarClouds western front invitation screen, so it could become more popular?

VFS-22_SPaRX
08-01-2004, 06:30 PM
Done that before.. it does not help.

I fail to see the problem. The server is online and can be joined. It does not have to be listed in HL to be played on. I am sorry this is they way it is, but i did not write the HL app. Many server admins have asked Jiri to help us with this situation, but it appears that it is not going to happen. So this is how we have to do it.

S~

SPaRX

LuftLuver
08-01-2004, 07:43 PM
I play on a number of other servers including several in Russia that aren't on HL and they do a brisk business.

I think given a few days we'll start filling WarClouds EAST right up. Surely the blue players will be thrilled to test their new planes against some Soviet wood! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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civildog
08-01-2004, 07:49 PM
OUTSTANDING! Thanks, SPaRX!! I know it'll get plenty of use from my group. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

And most especially we appreciate the Teamspeak channels you provide. Eventually I hope to set one of these up myself for others to enjoy and you have set the standard.

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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2004, 09:00 PM
Consider rotating some yearly planesets.

"All planes" basically means "all 1944/45" planes. There really isn't a "choice" if you want to be able to fly competitively.

VFS-22_SPaRX
08-01-2004, 09:21 PM
I have tried to keep this in, but i feel like i gotta say something now. You guys being pretty damned ungrateful. Everyone has done nothing but complain about how there are no servers with Eastern Front planesets so i thought i would put one up for you all. Now you all want to just blast the server for what it is. It took me 4 hours this morning to just get this server setup. And that was using my current Maps from the Western front server. If i would have had to make maps for this server, it would have taken me no less then another 4 hours. I have limited time just like everyone else. Creating Rotating planesets take A LOT of time. I like to fly just like everyone else. I do not want to have to spend all my free time creating an environment you all think is "right". So, instead of lookin at teh gift horse in the mouth, why not get in there and enjoy it for what it is.

S~

SPaRX

609IAP_Recon
08-01-2004, 09:26 PM
maybe try DCG Sparx - then you dont' have to handcraft all the missions.

Auto generate dogfight missions, would be cool

S!
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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2004, 09:36 PM
Don't be so thin skinned, SparX.

You put something out to the public, and people are going to comment on it.

I have experienced the "late war" community bias, as I'm sure you have, and it doesn't take much to figure out that people gravitate towards the *-est plane they can get. So, to get some variety from Yak 3/La7/P-63 vs. 109K and Ta-152 ueberplane boredom, you need to break up the planesets a bit.

We do appreciate you taking time and effort to do this. But I wouldn't enjoy the setup "for what it is" now: a latewar snoozefest. Sorry.

VFS-22_SPaRX
08-01-2004, 09:36 PM
DCG is a great tool. But it puts too many objects on the maps. I have tried working with it before. Its fine for offline or coops with limited players, but with 25+ players, you have to be very careful how you put a map together. The server does not run smooth because its on a high speed connection or because its on a Super Server, its because of how the maps are put together. Plain and simple. Too many objects on a map will drag a server to it's knees in a heartbeat. I have a very strict layout for maps. I do not deviate from it.

S~

SPaRX

VFS-22_SPaRX
08-01-2004, 09:45 PM
Stiglr,

I know i kinda blew off there. But i didnt put this out in the public for it to be picked apart. Fact of the matter is, Late war servers are the most popular. Guys get online and they want to fly those late war planes. I do realize there are some out there that like the early war secnerios, but they are far and few between. So when i create servers now, i go thru the 120+ planes in the game and pick the most popular planes that i know people like to fly and thats what i use. To keep the server running smoothly, you gotta keep your flyables down to ~12 planes per side. So picking 24 planes out of 120+ is not an easy task. You cannot get what everyone likes. You gotta just get what the majority will take.

Rotating planeset servers are fun. I do enjoy them myself. But there are enough of them out that to fill that need. Greater Green and the F16_dedicated do that very well. So i choose to fill the other side of it. Those that want to see Yak3s, K4s, 190ds, 51s, 38s and so forth on every map. This also makes my map creation time a lot less. I can cut and past 75% of the maps this way. I do not have to speed 3 hours per map clicking one object at a time.

Well, i guess i vented enough. Just try the server out. I am sure most of you will enjoy your time there.

S~

SPaRX

civildog
08-01-2004, 10:53 PM
I agree with SPaRX even though I usually prefer to play the 41-43 period, or even earlier. He went to all the trouble of providing a free service to the community and Teamspeak support to boot and he gets whining?

Come on, give the man some credit for the work! Any whiners out there putting up their own free servers as good as Warclouds?

SPaRX...good job.

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M.R.Maiornikov
08-02-2004, 12:33 AM
no body is playing there http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif what a shame

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Fehler
08-02-2004, 12:51 AM
See the thread titled "Petition" and I bet we can solve this problem.

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wojtek_m
08-02-2004, 06:42 AM
So, to get some variety from Yak 3/La7/P-63 vs. 109K and Ta-152 ueberplane boredom, you need to break up the planesets a bit.

I dont know what you are talking about... my fav plane is the yak3 - there is virtually no possibility to fly it online full real right now, besides one map on GG and one map on F16... the servers are full of Spits, P51s, P47s, late Bfs and late FWs but no late war russian fighters... dont wanna fly the wonderwoman view...

VFS-22_SPaRX
08-02-2004, 05:08 PM
bump

nickdanger3
08-02-2004, 05:17 PM
Thanks! I would never have thought that I'd prefer the Eastern Front but I love those earlier missions when the Stuka's were still around - gotta love killing them !

Cragger
08-02-2004, 07:10 PM
FYI, if you guys don't use this server. Its not going to stay around long.

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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2004, 08:15 PM
SparX, the reason I commented is that your server, just by dint of it committing to the Eastern Front, is a step ahead of most. That's potential I don't want to see go to waste.

Setting up the planesets based on a popularity contest is why 85% of all DF servers, on anyfront suck.

Nobody, it seems, can be bothered to pick up a book, or even read the scads of information that's a few clicks away on the internet, and get a tiny, cursory education on what flew where. What the real conditions were. No, it's just pick the ones everyone's heard of (and still know little more about than the famous designation) and off we go.

I had an interesting online debate (typing and flying, not a good mix, hehehe) with the host of Greater Green, and I was commenting on the planeset for thier Malta map: P-40s for the Allies when none was there, no Gladiator for the Brits (although that plane did most of the heavy lifting early on), not even any Stukas (which both Italians and germans flew in abundance).

Anyway, the host had all kinds of 'what if' and excuses to have alternate planesets, but he never answered the salient question: what good do all the what-ifs do if you don't have the "what WAS" to compare it to? Why no attempt to EVER just do it right, the way it WAS? The answer was simple, he took the intellectually lazy viewpoint and was more concerned with giving the Allies (more) popular rides.

This is all too common in this community. The sim has no designed-in limits or parameters, so it becomes a legendary-plane, late war only frag fest. And completely ignores the fact that some of the early war planes can be as fascinating as the late ones. It's just that you can't explore it if everybody and their dog is tooling around in P-51Ds, La7s, Ki84s and 109Ks.

Hope to see your server full soon. It's gotta be hard when you're not listed on Hyperlobby. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif What are the "limitations" that are stopping you from using HyperLobby?

But, I promise I'll pop my head in from time to time to see what's up.

VFS-22_SPaRX
08-02-2004, 10:43 PM
Stiglr,

You have valid points. I do not deny that. But you have to remember also that not every cares about historical accuracy as you do. To most of the players out there, it dont matter if a Yak3 is flying over Normandy, or that a P40 is flying in the wrong year. Is this wrong? Of course not. Its a matter of preference.

The limitation i mentioned for HL is that you cannot select the IP or Port that a server session runs on. The port is hard coded and the IP is auto-detected. This makes it impossible to run multiple Sessions from the same server.


For anyone that might be interested. I can get another server for $90 US a month. We could then setup an Eastern Front server taht would be listed in HL. But for this to happen, i will need a committment from those that wish for this to happen. I cannot afford to put another server on my account that i do not have the means to pay for. If 5/6 people really want to make this happen, the monthly hit per person would not be much at all. Just some food for thought.

S~

SPaRX

Supr
08-02-2004, 10:56 PM
First of all, thank you for providing the servers for our pleasure. What you do is above and beyond. S!

But hey, how about you make a deal with the guys complaining. Tell them to to put their money where their mouth is, and you might be tempted to listen to some suggestions on how to spend your time.

Of course, you could just make it a bi-plane only server, Just to spite them. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Thanks again for all you do for the community.

Oh, i see you already kinda had that idea. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif

LuftLuver
08-03-2004, 12:08 AM
Ok, everyone says this is a great thing to happen.....where is everyone on the server? I am logging in each evening at 6pm cent US time and not a soul is in there.

A quick check of WarClouds West and I can't get in because it's full! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif I know it's not on hyperlobby but don't let that stop us. Maybe the blues are happy to get fat on ego-inflating easy kills on the crappy FB US planes?

Cmon luftie guys, gradutate onto fighting some Russian hardware! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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wojtek_m
08-03-2004, 04:06 AM
Nobody there, because it's not listed...

NN_EnigmuS
08-03-2004, 04:47 AM
agreed like a lot eas and flying both side eastern front but the fact it is listed in hyper=nobody on it if it was on it it will be full ike warclouds westren or F16 dedicated

we are a lot to wait for a real doghfight room with good settings and some eastern plane getting quite bored of always playing the west front

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gates123
08-03-2004, 09:51 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Stiglr:

I had an interesting online debate (typing and flying, not a good mix, hehehe) with the host of Greater Green, and I was commenting on the planeset for thier Malta map: P-40s for the Allies when none was there, no Gladiator for the Brits (although that plane did most of the heavy lifting early on), not even any Stukas (which both Italians and germans flew in abundance).

Anyway, the host had all kinds of 'what if' and excuses to have alternate planesets, but he never answered the salient question: what good do all the what-ifs do if you don't have the "what WAS" to compare it to? Why no attempt to EVER just do it right, the way it WAS? The answer was simple, he took the intellectually lazy viewpoint and was more concerned with giving the Allies (more) popular rides.


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Stiglr if you had any sort of clue what was going on with Greatergreen's Malta campaign you would just keep your mouth shut(which you usually can't do). If you noticed the map was called Malta III. If you were around to play Malta I (which you weren't)you would've found gladiators , cr-42's and stukas but since red won both Malta I and Malta II (25 map rotations each) they were awarded P-40's in Malta III since it was a online campaign of sorts. If blue would've won Malta II you would not have seen p-40's. The detailed info can be found on the GG forums. So before you go pop'n off about "what-if" scenerios that don't meet your historic criteria have a little respect for the host and realize that Malta III had p-40's for a reason....because red earned them.

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jazman777
08-03-2004, 01:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gates123:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Stiglr:
Anyway, the host had all kinds of 'what if' and excuses to have alternate planesets, but he never answered the salient question: what good do all the what-ifs do if you don't have the "what WAS" to compare it to? Why no attempt to EVER just do it right, the way it WAS?___________________________________________

Stiglr if you had any sort of clue what was going on with Greatergreen's Malta campaign you would just keep your mouth shut(which you usually can't do). ...have a little respect for the host and realize that Malta III had p-40's for a reason....because red earned them.
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Ahh, tell the GG host then, he didn't seem to be able to explain it himself, least so Stiglr could understand it and explain it to us. BTW, I think Stiglr's gripe here is that we'll all go on about some technical fidelity issue in the game (I mean, on and on and on and on...), then casually toss out all historical fidelity and just say, "it's what people want". Did you see the stink when it looked like Oleg said, "whiners got what they wanted" about the .50s? So Stiglr is raising his small stink about servers "giving the people what they want (no matter how ridiculous)". I don't think he's ****ging on the time and work spent, he just wants some commitment historical fidelity on a par with folks' healthy commitment to technical fidelity.

VFS-22_SPaRX
08-03-2004, 02:06 PM
Well guys, the problem still is that without me renting another server, then i just cannot get the server listed in HL. I fail to understand why it "needs" to be listed there for people to play on it. Its not like the server will run any different or taht it will not work for you if you do not join it through HL. But anyway, its there and still not getting used.

So what do you all want to do about it. Maybe its time for the community to start helping out more. You guys want these servers, but what are you willing to do to get them. The people that enjoy playing on the Western Front server are more then willing to donate to keep it up and running. Why do you all not feel the same way?

Here is what i propose. We need 6 people to donate $45 to start the server. This will be enough to cover the hosting costs of the server for 3 months. Then we have 3 months to aquire more funds through Donations. During this 3 months, we can do just like we did with the Western Front server. Post polls on what the players that frequent the server want to see. Talk to the players in game and see what it is that they would like to see with the server. We can keep the same settings as the Western Front server because i honestly believe that the majority of the players like these settings. I just do not think there are enough players out there that want to play Full switched to deem starting a new full switched server. And we all know there are plenty of Cockpit off, map icon servers out there to fill that need.

So i am leavin it up to you guys. I got you a server you can play on now, but i just cannot list it in HL. The server will only gain popularity by word of mouth. Or we can go with the afore mentioned idea and get a new server up and running listed in HL. I am open to suggestions.

S~

SPaRX

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2004, 02:13 PM
Thanks, jazz, you understand my point exactly.

Frankly, I think it's a design gaffe that the sim is so unstructured that it's so much easier to end up with "whichever planes wherever" than it is to have historical matchups where they occured.

I'm not saying it HAS to always be historically accurate...there is a lot of room for what-ifs, and these can be engaging and fun as well; but if you NEVER see it done historically, then what's the point?; you're not really comparing your what-if to anything; you're just being intellectually lazy. This is supposed to be a sim, after all, and accuracy to detail is supposed to be important.

gates123
08-03-2004, 02:35 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Stiglr:

I'm not saying it HAS to always be historically accurate...there is a lot of room for what-ifs, and these can be engaging and fun as well; but if you NEVER see it done historically, then what's the point?; you're not really comparing your what-if to anything; you're just being intellectually lazy. This _is_ supposed to be a sim, after all, and accuracy to detail is supposed to be important.

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Stiglr you never went on the server to play Malta I (two months ago) which had a historically accurate planeset. I was in the server at the time you made your "comments". I just think its really inconsiderate to jump on a well maintained server and just start whining before you even have wheels up. The host said as much as he needed to say, which was its a online campaign. What more needs to be said. Have some respect for the hard work that was done to create this dynamic campaign. At least do your homework before assuming its historically wrong. No need to hijack this thread. Thx Sparx for your hard work also.

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2004, 02:46 PM
I hear what you're saying, but it's not an "online campaign" to the extent that one map, once won, goes to the next map. It goes from theatre to theatre, from year to year, and back again, with no continuity.

So, the point of having a "reward to the Allies" is totally missed.

We'll see one day if I ever do come across the "Malta I" historical map. Right now, I notice a lot of trips to Anapa '43, where we have P-38s and P-51s, neither of which were anywhere near that part of the world. In fact, only the Yak9T is in the list for the Allies; no Lavochkins, no Yak 1s, MiGs, LaGGs or even P-39s (guess it has to be a popular 'murrican plane or it don't count)....

Thus, my comments, in the original spirit they were intended, stand, and speak for themselves.

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2004, 02:56 PM
Sparxx wrote:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Well guys, the problem still is that without me renting another server, then i just cannot get the server listed in HL. I fail to understand why it "needs" to be listed there for people to play on it. Its not like the server will run any different or taht it will not work for you if you do not join it through HL. But anyway, its there and still not getting used.
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The problem is one of convenience. Quite simply, there are a LOT of players who use HyperLobby, so for them, your server doesn't exist. Few people use the "enter IP address" method of joining a server ever. HyperLobby takes care of that for them.

They like to log into the lobby, see which servers have a crowd, see the settings, and join one that looks promising.

Also, with your method, they're forced to remember or record your IP, since, once they join another server or co-op. FB won't remember it either.

Sorry to say, you're swimming upstream on this issue. You have a good concept, but no way to get it to a wide audience, I'm afraid.

[This message was edited by Stiglr on Tue August 03 2004 at 03:36 PM.]

jazman777
08-03-2004, 02:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VFS-22_SPaRX:
Well guys, the problem still is that without me renting another server, then i just cannot get the server listed in HL.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Without searching to see if this has already been addressed (big no no!), I wonder if you can throw a second network card into your server, get a second IP address from your ISP, and bind the second FB server to the new IP address? Can't go through a router doing NAT, etc.

Yum_Yum
08-03-2004, 03:48 PM
Hello SP@RX http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

You are a very genrous person and I thank you for all your time, effort and money in which you have donated to help this community.

I think you have such excellent servers that the good crowd will always know where they are, and join them without the need for HL.

I have always seen your generosity in the community and a willingness to share, you host 2 of the most succesful servers on HL .. and now host a 3rd in a different way!.
I think the success of your servers means you are making the right choices, for if you were not...the servers would be empty like so many others.

I look forward to using your new server no matter how I have to join, where it is, or the settings you choose to use.
I am greatful that you use your time and effort to share with someone like me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

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Cragger
08-03-2004, 04:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wojtek_m:
Nobody there, because it's not listed...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is impossible to list it on Hyperlobby with Hyperlobby's current design. Jiri has been asked to update it several times and there has been no change. It is listed on All Seeing Eye however, a must have game finder if you do any multiplayer games at all.

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Cragger
08-03-2004, 04:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
Sparxx wrote:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Well guys, the problem still is that without me renting another server, then i just cannot get the server listed in HL. I fail to understand why it "needs" to be listed there for people to play on it. Its not like the server will run any different or taht it will not work for you if you do not join it through HL. But anyway, its there and still not getting used.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The problem is one of convenience. Quite simply, there are a LOT of players who use HyperLobby, so for them, your server doesn't exist. Few people use the "enter IP address" method of joining a server _ever_. HyperLobby takes care of that for them.

They like to log in, see which servers have a crowd, see the settings, and log in.

Also, with your method, they're forced to remember or record your IP, since, once they join another server or co-op. FB won't remember it either.

Sorry to say, you're swimming upstream on this issue. You have a good concept, but no way to get it to a wide audience, I'm afraid.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

One last time, it is IMPOSSIBLE to have two dedicated server apps running on the same server box listed to hyperlobby at the same time due to the way Hyperlobby is designed. Server box's cost money, money Sparx spends on his for his personal choice of theatre and era. Unless someone else steps up to the plate and ponies up for another server box, or Jiri makes it to where you can run multiple hyperlobby clients on the same box its going to be the most popular/most used server that is going to be listed.

There is no if, and, or but about it. Its not a concept, its a fact.

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Osirisx9
08-03-2004, 04:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jazman777:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VFS-22_SPaRX:
Well guys, the problem still is that without me renting another server, then i just cannot get the server listed in HL.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Without searching to see if this has already been addressed (big no no!), I wonder if you can throw a second network card into your server, get a second IP address from your ISP, and bind the second FB server to the new IP address? Can't go through a router doing NAT, etc.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tried that already. Warbirds Birds of Prey runs 3 network cards and HL always manages to find the primary IP for the Warbirds Birds Of Prey server. I think that digging a little bit too much into the servers guts myself.

RAF238thOsiris

Cragger
08-03-2004, 04:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jazman777:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VFS-22_SPaRX:
Well guys, the problem still is that without me renting another server, then i just cannot get the server listed in HL.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Without searching to see if this has already been addressed (big no no!), I wonder if you can throw a second network card into your server, get a second IP address from your ISP, and bind the second FB server to the new IP address? Can't go through a router doing NAT, etc.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sparx's server is most likely a rented box from a data center, I.E. they control the hardware and network setup. Also a second connection even from a rented data center if supported would cost more money. IPs are not free, this is why people use routers for their home networks to get multiple computers on the same connection. Because otherwise ISPs charge for another IP the same as the first one.

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jazman777
08-03-2004, 07:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Osirisx9:
Tried that already. Warbirds Birds of Prey runs 3 network cards and HL always manages to find the primary IP for the Warbirds Birds Of Prey server. I think that digging a little bit too much into the servers guts myself.

RAF238thOsiris<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'd think that it's a dedicated server issue. It would be a nice feature to identify the IP address to bind to on startup--you already can specify the TCP and UDP port number.

I imagine you've tried different local ports? So one server listens on port 21000, the second on 21001 and the third on 21002? _That's_ configurable, no?

In the confs.ini file:

localPort=21000

Does HL _only_ talk to 21000 on servers, or does it read the localPort value, or just find the 21000 one and use that?

I reckon you guys have hashed this out, but I just put together a dedicated server just now and am curious on the guts of how things work.

Guess I need to go do some network sniffing...

VFS-22_SPaRX
08-03-2004, 07:59 PM
Sorry guys. It is just not possible to host 2 dedicated servers from teh same "physical" server and have them listed in HL. It is not a dedicated server issue but how Jiri has coded HL. The dedicate server package is quite flexible with its port and ip settings. Assigning IPs and ports to different servers is not and issue. What is an issue is gettign HL to detect these settings. And it will nto do it in its present state. It is his decision to do with it as he wants as he does not charge for it and does it in his free time. The ONLY, and i repeat ONLY way to get another Server listed is to have another.

I have approx. 10+ years of server exp. I do not have professional training, i just learned it as i went along. So believe me when i say, there is NOTHING that can be done to make this happen with the current HL. I do have a one more idea that may work, but since i do not have enough money to rent a server or build a server to test my theorys, i cannot tell you for sure if it will work.

Cragger is right. I rent my server from a hosting company. I dont know too many people that can afford to run a 10mbit line to their house. I have no control of what hardware is in the server. Sure i could build my own and send it to them, but the costs of doing it that way are more then 5 times what i am paying now for the same bandwidth.

So again we are back to square one. There are two options that i can do to get you all an Eastern Front server. One: use what i have setup now and get the listing for it through ASE. Two: some of you that can afford to give a little to the community and want an Eastern Front server step up and show you are willing to help out.

I just want to put a couple of thoughts out on the table. Please do not take these too harshly. But it really does bother me that people are quick to the guns to tell someone that they do not like what they see but are not willing to do something about it. I know there are a lot of you out there that cannot afford to make a venture like this. But there are many that can. So i guess in a nutshell, its "put up or shut up time". You guys want it, time to do something about it. Nothing is free, especially hosting dedicated game servers. Hope this didnt come off the wrong way.

S~

SPaRX

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2004, 08:47 PM
No, I personally don't take that harshly.

It really must be expensive to do that on your own.

My only point is, if the "payoff" for running your boxes the way you want to do them is that you don't have any Hyperlobby exposure (and you can find 700+ people many nights on HyperLobby), you gotta figure: is it worth it to stick to my guns and run multiple boxes... if nobody "knows about" the server, because it can't run on HL.

That was all I was saying.

TX-EcoDragon
08-03-2004, 09:08 PM
Yeah, I know the system and conenction type Sparx is on, and TX is on, and with the dedicated server as it is the only limitation imposed on us with regard to multiple servers is the HL codework. Both of us have multiple IPs that we can use on the same machines, and so all the main obstacles are surmounted but one. So it will come down to a modification of the HL software.

The FB Daemon will also require that it is hosted on another machine unless something has changed in it recently to allow it to run twice on the same box.

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VFS-22_SPaRX
08-03-2004, 09:14 PM
Eco,

You can run multiple FBD's with no problem. I have had 3 dedicated servers each with FBD connected to it with no problem. So we are still held back by just one thing.

S~

SPaRX

TX-EcoDragon
08-03-2004, 09:24 PM
On the same machine? Cool. . .that didn't used to be the case, though we did request that feature (we are talking a while ago!)

I guess there is always UBI Lobby!

:-D

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Cragger
08-04-2004, 02:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
No, I personally don't take that harshly.

It really must be expensive to do that on your own.

My only point is, if the "payoff" for running your boxes the way you want to do them is that you don't have any Hyperlobby exposure (and you can find 700+ people many nights on HyperLobby), you gotta figure: is it worth it to stick to my guns and run multiple boxes... if nobody "knows about" the server, because it can't run on HL.

That was all I was saying.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You miss the point again. Its running multiple server applications on a single box. Multiple boxes could be listed to Hyperlobby, however multiple dedicated servers on the same box cannot.

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jazman777
08-04-2004, 11:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VFS-22_SPaRX:
Sorry guys. It is just not possible to host 2 dedicated servers from teh same "physical" server and have them listed in HL. It is not a dedicated server issue but how Jiri has coded HL.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, I see that now. I set up a dedicated server on my second box and did a bunch of reading.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I just want to put a couple of thoughts out on the table. Please do not take these too harshly. But it really does bother me that people are quick to the guns to tell someone that they do not like what they see but are not willing to do something about it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I hacked together a dedicated server, and was able to connect to it. Then I sat there and thought, "now what? Oh, I've got to make lots of interesting missions, figure out how to rotate them, etc. etc. etc., put on my flak jacket for all the critics." The Jazman dedicated server: DOA.

jazman777
08-04-2004, 08:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jazman777:
The Jazman dedicated server: DOA.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
IOW, Major Props to all who keep a decent server going.