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Urist
06-09-2004, 02:15 PM
ATI Cat 4.6 drivers are out...

The release notes don't mention anything specific about IL2, but do mention general OpenGL improvements.

I'm at work so I can't try em out, curious if they fix it (perfect mode) though.

[This message was edited by Urist on Wed June 09 2004 at 01:23 PM.]

Urist
06-09-2004, 02:15 PM
ATI Cat 4.6 drivers are out...

The release notes don't mention anything specific about IL2, but do mention general OpenGL improvements.

I'm at work so I can't try em out, curious if they fix it (perfect mode) though.

[This message was edited by Urist on Wed June 09 2004 at 01:23 PM.]

bartflaster1
06-09-2004, 03:29 PM
For me no.
The FPS issue is resolved (now the same as 3.6 were) but I get flickering shapes randomly.
On a 9800 pro.

Scen
06-09-2004, 03:36 PM
Ahhh good to hear

eXtra_Corrosiv
06-09-2004, 04:21 PM
i hate flickering shapes

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dapendragon
06-09-2004, 05:27 PM
Massive framerate improvement for me (9700 Pro) in perfect mode. Get the occasional flickering too, but it's not too bad. Bit annoying, but rare enough so that it isn't preventing me from playing the game on perfect settings. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Yay!

reload2000
06-09-2004, 05:28 PM
Run great in Perfect now but i too am getting flickers and stuff every now and then. Im running a 9800XT

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06-09-2004, 05:31 PM
anyone want to trade me a FX5950 for my 9800Pro?

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06-09-2004, 05:32 PM
I can trade you my 9700 PRO http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Hunter82
06-09-2004, 06:03 PM
I take it you don't like to run perfect at all? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lbhskier37:
anyone want to trade me a FX5950 for my 9800Pro?

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bartflaster1
06-09-2004, 06:09 PM
Hunter, so do you know of a fix for the flickering ?

O.T. any chance of that test you did for me (fps on your spangly x800 @ 1280x960 4xaa/af perfect) to be done with your cpu @ stock ?
Or are you a bit busy ATM ?

BTW I thought perfect was designed for NV cards, does it not work on nvidia hardware then ?

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Huxley_S
06-09-2004, 06:20 PM
I'm getting very impressive frame rate increases with these new drivers in perfect mode. Not only that but the water seems to have improved - the way that light reflects on it in particular.

I've spotted some flickering wierdness but it only seems to happen very occasionally. Early days yet but these are looking good!

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wcat
06-09-2004, 07:03 PM
I just installed the 4.6's , did a QMB 2 vs 2, didn't see any texture flickering, Running in perfect mode, 1152x864 on a 9700Pro. Does it happens in every QM you guys run? Any specific map/planes/weather that make the flickering worse so I can see if I'll get it also?

wcat

Slammin_
06-09-2004, 07:09 PM
I got the triangle flickering with the 4.6 beta. I guess I'll try the release since it's not hard to go back to what works for me.

bartflaster1
06-09-2004, 07:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wcat:
I just installed the 4.6's , did a QMB 2 vs 2, didn't see any texture flickering, Running in perfect mode, 1152x864 on a 9700Pro. Does it happens in every QM you guys run? Any specific map/planes/weather that make the flickering worse so I can see if I'll get it also?

wcat<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I just popped in QMB for a couple of minutes and it looked fine, try running the Blackdeath track though, thats where it seems to show for me.

Urist
06-09-2004, 07:32 PM
Just tried installing them...

Is it normal for AF to cut the frame rate in half? That is what it does on my PC and being that I have a 9800pro in this thing it bloody well shouldn't.

Its most noticable with perfect turned on... But the drop is pretty signifigant in excellent as well (just not a 50% drop).

I am going to try some other games and see if its just IL2 that does it.

I also get artifacts on the screen when I turn it on in Perfect, turning AF off seemed to fix that.

Something rotten in Denmark I say...

Slammin_
06-09-2004, 08:13 PM
AF is a huge hit for Nvida, and usually less, but still a hit for ATI too.

Not knowing what you had going on before, I can only guess that 4.6 is not good for you.

So far, I like 4.6 alot.

Hunter82
06-09-2004, 08:14 PM
I haven't had a chance been swamped the last few days. As soon as I can I'll test and post. You can try disabling fast writes, also test the card using teh highest quality driver settings ie high quality/high quality and see if it still happens....it's more informational for me than anything else.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bartflaster1:
Hunter, so do you know of a fix for the flickering ?

O.T. any chance of that test you did for me (fps on your spangly x800 @ 1280x960 4xaa/af perfect) to be done with your cpu @ stock ?
Or are you a bit busy ATM ?

BTW I thought perfect was designed for NV cards, does it not work on nvidia hardware then ?

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TX-CUDA
06-09-2004, 08:23 PM
....the link is gone? I waited a few days in order to read the input here as to the pro's and cons and decided to give it a go...now see the link has been edited out....guess next time I won't wait!.

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Urist
06-09-2004, 08:36 PM
I get the artifacts/flickering shapes with AF turned off as well, so I lied.

They get real bad around cities. Turning off fast writes didn't help either.

Had the same problem with the 4.6 Beta driver and figured it was just cuz it was beta.

Is it just me, or did Il2 have this problem many catalysts ago with blocks getting drawn on the screen? Back with 3.5 or something...

Hunter82
06-09-2004, 08:43 PM
Yep

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Urist:
I get the artifacts/flickering shapes with AF turned off as well, so I lied.

They get real bad around cities. Turning off fast writes didn't help either.

Had the same problem with the 4.6 Beta driver and figured it was just cuz it was beta.

Is it just me, or did Il2 have this problem many catalysts ago with blocks getting drawn on the screen? Back with 3.5 or something...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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US_8th_Dosiere
06-09-2004, 08:53 PM
Using a 9700 Pro here and I have had this problem with flickering textures since 3.6. I have other issues with quality as well, but the flickering textures is the worst. It's not limited to just IL2 either; in Americas Army it happens as well and the shadows dont render correctly.

Any help would be appreciated getting rid of this, I have spent endless hours with the driver settings attempting to get things working correctly and have tried every driver version from 3.6 to 4.6.

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06-09-2004, 09:12 PM
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Rogodin
06-09-2004, 11:29 PM
4.6s are the best so far-even than the 4.2s.

I have no flickering or flashing.

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Hunde_3.JG51
06-10-2004, 12:08 AM
Did anybody try or notice a difference in 4.6 with excellent settings from 4.5 or other catalyst versions?

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jurinko
06-10-2004, 01:29 AM
who got flickering, turn your fastwrites OFF. I have no flickers and got 15% fps increase on my benchmark track in excellent, and perfect runs very well also. 9800Pro here.

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bartflaster1
06-10-2004, 03:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunter82:
I haven't had a chance been swamped the last few days. As soon as I can I'll test and post. You can try disabling fast writes, also test the card using teh highest quality driver settings ie high quality/high quality and see if it still happens....it's more informational for me than anything else.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks, I look forward to that Hunter http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I already tried turning of fastwrites from the ATI CP, and no diference for me.
I set it to full quality, and again still flickering.
It might have been improved though, or it might have been that the FPS was so low I wasn't seeing all the frames with the artifacts !

Hunter82
06-10-2004, 05:15 AM
Sounds more like a chipset driver or heat issue. If you are getting continual issues.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by US_8th_Dosiere:
Using a 9700 Pro here and I have had this problem with flickering textures since 3.6. I have other issues with quality as well, but the flickering textures is the worst. It's not limited to just IL2 either; in Americas Army it happens as well and the shadows dont render correctly.

Any help would be appreciated getting rid of this, I have spent endless hours with the driver settings attempting to get things working correctly and have tried every driver version from 3.6 to 4.6.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Hunter82
06-10-2004, 05:16 AM
Sounds more like a chipset driver or heat issue. If you are getting continual issues.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by US_8th_Dosiere:
Using a 9700 Pro here and I have had this problem with flickering textures since 3.6. I have other issues with quality as well, but the flickering textures is the worst. It's not limited to just IL2 either; in Americas Army it happens as well and the shadows dont render correctly.

Any help would be appreciated getting rid of this, I have spent endless hours with the driver settings attempting to get things working correctly and have tried every driver version from 3.6 to 4.6.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Hunter82
06-10-2004, 05:16 AM
Sounds more like a chipset driver or heat issue. If you are getting continual issues.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by US_8th_Dosiere:
Using a 9700 Pro here and I have had this problem with flickering textures since 3.6. I have other issues with quality as well, but the flickering textures is the worst. It's not limited to just IL2 either; in Americas Army it happens as well and the shadows dont render correctly.

Any help would be appreciated getting rid of this, I have spent endless hours with the driver settings attempting to get things working correctly and have tried every driver version from 3.6 to 4.6.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Hawgdog
06-10-2004, 05:44 AM
So, your diggin the new driver set?
Using "old" parts in conjuntion or straight away.

Inadaze
06-10-2004, 07:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hawgdog:
So, your diggin the new driver set?
Using "old" parts in conjuntion or straight away.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif. I've a 9700pro and pefect is a viable option now. I tried the beta 4.6 oglxx.dll in my il2 directory and in the me109 vs p39 track I was still sub 20 fps in perfect when the water was on screen. (I use that track cos its got alot of water) With the 4.6 proper release I can keep above 25 fps where I'd have been sub 15 before. (1024 with 2 xaa and 4x faa)

The image quality is much better as well, with the betas and 4.2 I'd get jaggy edges on the water in perfect no matter what I did with my AA and FAA. Now even with low settings in both there is a much better and more natural edge to the water.

Excellent seems a bit faster than it was, but not by much. Image quality again seems improved.

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tsisqua
06-10-2004, 07:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rogodin:
4.6s are the best so far-even than the 4.2s.

I have no flickering or flashing.

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Perfect water is better than I have ever seen it. I did get a little flicker, but overall image quality is the best yet. Frame rates are very acceptable for me in perfect now. Maybe beter than the recomended 4.1's that I've been using till now.

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Inadaze
06-10-2004, 08:52 AM
It's fixed the mirror frame rate problem as well http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Just been flying me spit, the mirror only hits about 5 fps in glmode now, rather than sending me to stutter land.

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Huxley_S
06-10-2004, 09:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It's fixed the mirror frame rate problem<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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TheGozr
06-10-2004, 09:41 AM
Real smooth to me the best so far.

why fastwrite off?

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Aaron_GT
06-10-2004, 10:16 AM
Does anyone know if the RivaTuner softmod scripts to turn an SE into a Pro work with the 4.6 final drivers. (It doesn't work with the beta ones and the latest Riva Tuner release). With 4.5 I can nicely unlock the extra 4 pipelines on my card (256bit memory, thankfully).

Aaron_GT
06-10-2004, 10:17 AM
"I am . I've a 9700pro and pefect is a viable option now. I tried the beta 4.6 oglxx.dll in my il2 directory and in the me109 vs p39 track I was still sub 20 fps in perfect when the water was on screen. (I use that track cos its got alot of water) With the 4.6 proper release I can keep above 25 fps where I'd have been sub 15 before. (1024 with 2 xaa and 4x faa)"

You have to copy files in to the FB directory to get the opengl stuff to work properly???

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06-10-2004, 10:28 AM
Quesion...Do we need the 3thrd part of the download if we don't have the All in Wonder Card??? Dail-Up

Inadaze
06-10-2004, 11:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
You have to copy files in to the FB directory to get the opengl stuff to work properly???<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No just install the drivers as normal. You don't have to copy anything.

I was using the cat4.5s and tested the beta gl driver by copying its oglxx.dll to my fb directory, it allows you to use a different gl driver to the one you have installed. Normally you don't do that unless an old driver solves a specific problem.

All you have to do is un-install old drivers, restart, install new.

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US_8th_Dosiere
06-10-2004, 11:42 AM
Ok, just did some more testing using the 4.6s and they indeed seem to have solved many of the problems. Although I still get some texture flickering and rendering issues they are not nearly as prevalent as the were pre 4.6. I also turned fastwrite off and that seemed to help but my frames are a bit lower than they were before 4.6.

hunter,

I have suspected something is wrong with my vid card for a while now, as I have used it with three systems now and I have the same problems with it on all three. I know its not heat at least - I installed an extra fan in my case and have done a lot of tests using the temp monitoring system that my mobo came with. All of the temps in the case are fine even after several hours of gaming.

However, every one in a while my computer will lock up and then CTD, and then lock up entirely, forcing a restart. It usually happens only in games but once it did do it immediately after startup in Word. Anyways, I get an error message that my video card has stopped responding to the driver. Although I have had this problem with lockups on all 3 of the systems with this card, I didnt start to get this error message until my third system.

hornaar
06-10-2004, 02:13 PM
hi,
I did also installed the 4.6 version.

I have fastwrites on, better fps and no flickering.

So i am very glad with the new 4.6 driver.

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- athlon 1.8

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hornaar
06-10-2004, 02:13 PM
hi,
I did also installed the 4.6 version.

I have fastwrites on, better fps and no flickering.

So i am very glad with the new 4.6 driver.

- ati 9800pro 128mb
- athlon 1.8

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Jasko76
06-10-2004, 02:20 PM
Wonderful drivers!!!

While perfect was a distant dream on my R9600Pro until now, 4.6 afford me to play it on perfect and with 4x/4x! Unbeleivable.
And FB is not the only game where I noticed improvement - anything I've tried so far looks nicer and faster. How the hell did they do it? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif
Let's hope they are not pulling an nVIDIA here!‚¬®

PS. Flickering - there was a lot before I disabled fast write. Now it only happpens very occasionaly. Almost acceptable!

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bartflaster1
06-10-2004, 02:50 PM
I cant believe you lot have such short memories ... the 4.2 or 3.6 had as good FPS in perfect, although the 4.6 do look better.
But how you can accept some flickering ?? horses for courses I guess, but any abnormalities like that I can't live with.
drivers seem to be best so far apart from the IL2 perfect , fix that and I would be looking at 100% driver satisfaction http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

As a matter of interest, I have a friend with a near identical rig as mine, except he has a 5900 U ... he only averages 9 fps on the same setings in perfect that mine does 25 ... so Nvidia doesnt look to have this sorted either http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[This message was edited by bartflaster1 on Thu June 10 2004 at 03:24 PM.]

hornaar
06-10-2004, 03:56 PM
hi,
I withdraw my words. After playing online
i am returned to the omega 4.2 driver.

I saw undeclarable black flashes. Above
land more than above sea.

Toasted_Toad
06-10-2004, 06:06 PM
I have found when I get the black squares being a hassle reinstalling DirectX 9b cleans them up for a good while.

Abbuzze
06-10-2004, 06:14 PM
Also have the black flickering no difference with Fastwrite on/of

for those who thing there is no much difference between 4.2 and 4.6 try it over a long coastline! desert map for example- the fps drop is much less!!

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Monty_Thrud
06-10-2004, 06:17 PM
4.6 not good enough,too many black triangular flashes, a bit like the mid 3's...going back to shuweet 4.2's...ah well maybe next time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

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Huxley_S
06-10-2004, 07:32 PM
Such a shame. Getting loads of black flashes on the Normandy map. Gives you a headache after a while. Tried turning off Fast writes - just makes them worse.

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Huxley_S
06-10-2004, 07:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I have found when I get the black squares being a hassle reinstalling DirectX 9b cleans them up for a good while.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gave it a try... no joy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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Hunter82
06-10-2004, 07:57 PM
bart here's the 3d mark 2003 on the default cpu and clock on the X800 pro (OD enabled)

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Huxley_S
06-10-2004, 08:38 PM
The 4.6s are pretty fantastic in excellent mode though http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Shame about the water... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif

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Hunter82
06-10-2004, 08:44 PM
No artifacts on X800 here.

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Rogodin
06-10-2004, 10:25 PM
Hm

The artifacts are strange-I wonder what it is-maybe not clean installs?

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bartflaster1
06-11-2004, 03:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunter82:
bart here's the 3d mark 2003 on the default cpu and clock on the X800 pro (OD enabled)

No artifacts on X800 here.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks hunter, although it was the IL2 blackdeath @ perfect 1280x960 4xAA score I was after with card and cpu @ stock, my mistake I didnt make it too clear, anytime you have some free time enough to bench those settings for me that would be appreciated. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Reason being I am hoping to get one of the next gen cards, and I am torn between which direction to go.
I was almost decided on an X800XT, but now I am wondering if the Nvidia 6800GT would be a good option, with the PS3.0 support, 16 pipelines and the chance it will overclock to near ultra speeds.

Anyway, back on topic:
Is this issue only affecting 9700/9800 owners ? those that seem to be having no problems, and have stated which card they are using, seem to be 9600 or X800.

Rogozhin: I had done a clean uninstall/re-install with the driver change, using the safemode/drivercleaner route, I even uninstalled the 4.6 again using the ATI removal tool and re-installed , but to no avail, so I don't think it is that.

Inadaze
06-11-2004, 05:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Is this issue only affecting 9700/9800 owners ? those that seem to be having no problems, and have stated which card they are using, seem to be 9600 or X800.
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I've a 128meg 9700pro no artifacts or flickering so far here.

I play in excellent and use perfect for screenies.

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RAAF_Edin
06-11-2004, 05:55 AM
On my machine (P4-3G, 9700pro etc) Frame rates ahve drastically improved in Perfect mode and I get a very nice smooth frame rate of around 35 or more fps (I enable Vsinc on 75Hz monitor refresh rate) and man this is now very playable. I use 2x FSAA and AF and all on Highest Quality. But, those flickers do come every now and then, and the only frame rate hit (drops to about 20fps) when I am over that pacific-type forest.

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Hunter82
06-11-2004, 06:11 AM
guys the flickers are not here to stay http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Hopefully next release it will be fixed. Use the ATI cat report and let them know also.


Bart I'll run the tests again for you later on the settings when I get home from work.

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HexAngel
06-11-2004, 07:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunter82:
guys the flickers are not here to stay http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Hopefully next release it will be fixed. Use the ATI cat report and let them know also.
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Ok. report sent http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Rogodin
06-11-2004, 12:28 PM
For reference.

AMD 64 3200+
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cat 4.6.

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bartflaster1
06-11-2004, 12:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunter82:
guys the flickers are not here to stay http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Hopefully next release it will be fixed. Use the ATI cat report and let them know also.


Bart I'll run the tests again for you later on the settings when I get home from work.

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You sir, are a star http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Good to hear about ATI fixing the flickering, they really do work hard to fix things, I imagine it is not easy with a unified driver architecture, especially as their are 2 more cards in the already long line to include.
I have to say, other than that issue, the IQ and performance of this set is looking to be the best yet to me.

Hunter82
06-11-2004, 03:58 PM
anybody can make a driver that can be released in a beta stage 'cough N word' but to have each whql'd is another story http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Huxley_S
06-11-2004, 04:51 PM
It is interesting. What kind of system are the developers working on? They came up with this system years ago and there still isn't a video driver capable of delivering it the way it was designed to appear. How much further do the drivers have to go to show us what the developers saw when they were making the game in the first place? Or are the drivers already doing things the developers never saw? Very strange so it is!

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RAAF_Edin
06-11-2004, 06:20 PM
I don't know but from what I saw with these 4.6 is that they really kick *** http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif in terms of performance and image quality and only this occasional artifacts are holding it back of becoming the perfect set of drivers http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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Hunter82
06-11-2004, 06:36 PM
Yeah yeah I know http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RAAF_Edin:
I don't know but from what I saw with these 4.6 is that they really kick *** http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif in terms of performance and image quality and only this occasional artifacts are holding it back of becoming the perfect set of drivers http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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Hunter82
06-11-2004, 06:40 PM
I used the P38 VS KI track for this one. Personally I believe that is a better test for graphics because of the shorelines and the hit the trees add to AA/AF.

In any event on the settings you requested FPS where high 118 avg 63 low 38 on default settings. That track in comparison on my 9800 XT would go as low as 22 FPS when the 38 is in the initial dive then climb at the begining of the track.

I'll run BD again if you need also


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bartflaster1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunter82:
guys the flickers are not here to stay http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Hopefully next release it will be fixed. Use the ATI cat report and let them know also.


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You sir, are a star http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Good to hear about ATI fixing the flickering, they really do work hard to fix things, I imagine it is not easy with a unified driver architecture, especially as their are 2 more cards in the already long line to include.
I have to say, other than that issue, the IQ and performance of this set is looking to be the best yet to me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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06-12-2004, 02:18 AM
Thanks very much for that Hunter http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
On my 9800pro and P4 3.0 with 1gb ram in perfect on that track I get:
Avg: 27.000 - Min: 10 - Max: 113
and on excellent I return:
Avg: 57.555 - Min: 29 - Max: 124

Which means an X800 Pro is giving a 10% better average perf, and more importantly a 30% increase in minimum fps in perfect than my 9800pro does in excellent.
In the same mode it has an astonishing 135% average performance improvement with a 280% minimum improvement !!

There is a compare over at firing squad run on black death, but not in perfect mode (well at least it doesnt say it was), which shows the Nvidia offerings to outperform the ATI, but it is one of very few games were the ATI cards do not beat nvidia.
Add to that the ATI card is still plenty good enough to run it silky smooth and 1C are working with ATI (I hear) so that might bring even more performance.
Then the fact that AA quality of ATI is superior, I think my mind is made up ...

The X800XT will be out by the time I have the money, so I may even be able to go up a resolution http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thanks once again Hunter http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

T_O_A_D
06-12-2004, 04:14 AM
Ok so I just tried that P38vsKI84 track Stop recording at 1:38

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perfect
fps 33 Avg 35 Max 119 Min 20 No flickers on this track????
Excellent
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06-12-2004, 05:03 AM
T_O_A_D :

Those settings were run @ 1280x960 with 4xAA and 4x AF, at least mine were, pretty sure hunter matched the settings I had.
This is what I run the game in all the time (but in excellent mode) although you have a slower CPU, I am sure that you could run those settings.
IMO that res and AA level is very nice to look at and plays online fine.
Yes, I only noticed 2 instances of flickering on that track and I ran it 4 or 5 times.
Whatever the cause is, I think it is somehow related to the amount of objects on the screen or map, BD having a lot of objects shows it more, thats my theory anyway http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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06-12-2004, 10:17 PM
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