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JustPlainQuirky
03-21-2014, 09:48 PM
continuation of side discussion that happened in this thread:

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/862051-AC-5-Next-Gen-Only?p=9880051&posted=1#post9880051

:)

JustPlainQuirky
03-21-2014, 09:52 PM
oh i know why it's 706 dollars. I picked the black case that was -6 dollars :)

I don't see a place where I select the OS though. Where's Windows 8.1 option?

rcole_sooner
03-21-2014, 09:56 PM
Yeah, I figured this would get a lot better responses over here in the PC forum.

I figure we ought to be able to put together a decent system for around $700 to $800.

JustPlainQuirky
03-21-2014, 09:59 PM
Yeah, I figured this would get a lot better responses over here in the PC forum.

I figure we ought to be able to put together a decent system for around $700 to $800.

I was able to find something with doubleclick's suggestion for only 706 dollars but I don't know if it includes the OS. (windows 8.1 is what I want)


Also, is a mouse, keyboard, and monitor included or do I have to go and buy those as well?

referencing this site: http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/AMD-FX-4-Core-Configurator

JustPlainQuirky
03-21-2014, 10:02 PM
OH just found the "software and accessories" section :D

edit:

windows 8.1 is 100+ bucks D:

Edit 2:

thank goodness I already have a monitor. But these keyboards + mouse-es-es are yuck. Only ones I like are +11 dollars each. Oh well better than a red keyboard.

edit 3:

sheesh speakers are expensive. gonna stick with earphones for now.

edit 4:

no built in webcam.... then again that's something I'd find on an all-in-one wouldn't I? I'm so used to Macs.


edit:

If I get the +11 dollar keyboard and +11 dollar mouse (because the cheaper ones are ugly red) AND Microsoft Windows 8.1 64 bit, I get a grand total of 825 dollars. :(

D.I.D.
03-21-2014, 10:14 PM
Add a webcam later as a USB accessory. Logitech ones are very good, and very cheap.

Does your monitor already have speakers built in? Mine does, and yours might too.

Apologies, I didn't realise Win8 wasn't part of the package!

JustPlainQuirky
03-21-2014, 10:18 PM
Add a webcam later as a USB accessory. Logitech ones are very good, and very cheap.

Does your monitor already have speakers built in? Mine does, and yours might too.

Apologies, I didn't realise Win8 wasn't part of the package!

I mainly use voice chat for skype anyway. I'm camera shy. I don't actually mind not having one for now. ;)

It's a reeeeeeeeaaaaaally old monitor. But it's a flat one. Dell I think. I don't think it has an HDMI thing though. But It'll work for now I think. I have a TV I can use as a monitor anyway.

Though the windows 8.1 thing is a bit of a money cruncher...

edit: do I need a monitor cable? I assume that conects the monitor to the pc...

JustPlainQuirky
03-21-2014, 10:26 PM
http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/AMD-FX-4-Core-Configurator

Apex EL 660 Gaming Case
Case Lighting, Selected :: None
iBUYPOWER Labs - Noise Reduction, Selected ::None
iBUYPOWER Labs - Internal Expansion, Selected :: None
Processor, Selected :: AMD FX-4300 CPU
(4x 3.80GHz/4MB L2 Cache) FREE Upgrade to FX-6300
iBUYPOWER PowerDrive, Selected :: None
Processor Cooling, Selected :: Liquid CPU Cooling System [AMD] - Standard 120 mm Fan
Memory, Selected :: 8 GB [4 GB X2] DDR3-1600 Memory Module - FREE Upgrade to DDR3-1866 ADATA XPG V2
Video Card, Selected :: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti - 2GB
Motherboard, Selected :: Gigabyte GA-970A-D3P -- AMD 970
Power Supply, Selected :: 500 Watt - Standard Free Upgrade to 500W OCZ ModXStream Pro - 80 PLUS
Primary Hard Drive, Selected :: 1 TB HARD DRIVE -- 32M Cache, 7200 RPM, 6.0Gb/s - Single Drive
Data Hard Drive, Selected :: None
Optical Drive, Selected :: 24x Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive - Black
2nd Optical Drive, Selected :: None
Flash Media Reader / Writer, Selected :: None
Meter Display, Selected :: None
Sound Card, Selected :: 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard
Network Card, Selected :: Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100)
USB Expansion Card, Selected :: None

Operating System, Selected :: Windows 8.1 + Office 365 Trial [Free 30-Day !!!] 64-bit
Microsoft Internet Keyboard
Logitech Internet Mouse

total: $825 :( And that's assuming I don't need a monitor cable.

And is this pre-built? Or do I have to build with individual parts they give me?

D.I.D.
03-21-2014, 10:29 PM
It should be pre-built, yes. They mention professional cabling and things like that. Drop them an email if there's anything you're unsure about. I'm going to try and trim some money away here by looking at their FM2 system...

JustPlainQuirky
03-21-2014, 10:31 PM
It should be pre-built, yes. They mention professional cabling and things like that. Drop them an email if there's anything you're unsure about. I'm going to try and trim some money away here by looking at their FM2 system...

Okay thanks. :)

Assuming I manage to get this PC, how would it compare to playing on a ps3 and ps4? (powerhouse wise)

And thanks for all the help so far. I learned so much today :D

D.I.D.
03-21-2014, 10:35 PM
By the way, around June you're going to see a lot more Steam Machines. Some of these will be around the $500 mark, and very portable: http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/steam-machine-which-steam-box-should-you-buy--1213121/2

JustPlainQuirky
03-21-2014, 10:38 PM
By the way, around June you're going to see a lot more Steam Machines. Some of these will be around the $500 mark, and very portable: http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/steam-machine-which-steam-box-should-you-buy--1213121/2

I plan to use the computer for more than gaming. Like browsing internet and using 2D/3D art software. But thanks. :D

D.I.D.
03-21-2014, 10:43 PM
Okay thanks. :)

Assuming I manage to get this PC, how would it compare to playing on a ps3 and ps4? (powerhouse wise)

And thanks for all the help so far. I learned so much today :D

In many ways, better. The PS4 has a great deal of capability, and it has the advantage of all consoles: that the games are written for one hardware configuration, that the games address the hardware in a more direct way. There's been a lot of criticism about the early new gen games, but this always happens. Developers will have been making the first games for the past 2-3 years, without a clear picture of what the final spec of the PS4 and XO would be. So they've made a lot of guesses, and now they have to streamline the games to fit. The games that start development today will at least have the advantage of being made in the full knowledge of what's in each box, and in the years to come the coders will figure out new shortcuts to squeezing more power from the architectures.

But for now, a PC with a GTX750Ti inside it is already better than a PS4 for today's software. It's a newer GPU, capable of some effects that are simply not part of the PS4/XO hardware, and it can run at 1080p quite happily, even on High/Very High settings. DirectX12 is likely to bring better efficiency still, and Intel have confirmed it will run on all three of the last generations of DX11 cards.

D.I.D.
03-21-2014, 10:49 PM
I don't know... it's $60 cheaper on the base price of this, but that's all you're going to save overall http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/AMD-FM2-A-Series-APU

You could compromise on the graphics card for an AMD one, but I'd be very careful about that. AMD haven't been providing the kind of value they used to be famous for in recent years.

This will save you $100 http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/radeon-r7-250x-graphics-card-review,review-32883.html

JustPlainQuirky
03-21-2014, 10:53 PM
In many ways, better. The PS4 has a great deal of capability, and it has the advantage of all consoles: that the games are written for one hardware configuration, that the games address the hardware in a more direct way. There's been a lot of criticism about the early new gen games, but this always happens. Developers will have been making the first games for the past 2-3 years, without a clear picture of what the final spec of the PS4 and XO would be. So they've made a lot of guesses, and now they have to streamline the games to fit. The games that start development today will at least have the advantage of being made in the full knowledge of what's in each box, and in the years to come the coders will figure out new shortcuts to squeezing more power from the architectures.

But for now, a PC with a GTX750Ti inside it is already better than a PS4 for today's software. It's a newer GPU, capable of some effects that are simply not part of the PS4/XO hardware, and it can run at 1080p quite happily, even on High/Very High settings. DirectX12 is likely to bring better efficiency still, and Intel have confirmed it will run on all three of the last generations of DX11 cards.

Wow. Okay i feel really confident then :D


I don't know... it's $60 cheaper on the base price of this, but that's all you're going to save overall http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/AMD-FM2-A-Series-APU

You could compromise on the graphics card for an AMD one, but I'd be very careful about that. AMD haven't been providing the kind of value they used to be famous for in recent years.

This will save you $100 http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/radeon-r7-250x-graphics-card-review,review-32883.html

I'll take a look at these. But if what you say is true, I'll have no problem investing 200-300 more dollars if it'll really perform that well and last as long as i'd like it to. Thanks for all the help! :D

YazX_
03-22-2014, 12:24 AM
i dont know why you want to buy a pre-built PC, you can save a alot of money by building it yourself, there are many Youtube videos and tutorials on how to build a PC, also there are some of them showing you how to build a mid-range gaming PC with 500$, so my advise to you is to learn how and build it yourself, by doing that you could get better parts for the same budget.

if you need any help , let me know and ill send you some links.

thewhitestig
03-22-2014, 01:18 AM
You could build yourself a PC with a GTX 770 for 875$. Don't waste your money on these pre-built ones.

rcole_sooner
03-22-2014, 02:33 AM
I had posted this in the other thread. At the time it was around $875, now it is priced around $945.

It did not include a case, dvd drive, keyboard/mouse, or monitor ... as I had all these things. You can see the monitors I attached it to, in my sig pic (click on it for a bigger pic).

....from the other thread, for reference here....


Like I say not high-end at all. Almost as cheap as I could go. A little under $900 when I ordered, about $945 current pricing. I had to go Micro ATX to get it to fit into my HTPC case, and I needed an old PCI slot, so I went H87, I would have gone Z87 otherwise.

This system played AC4BF on the Geforce sites recommended settings (http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/guides/assassins-creed-iv-black-flag-graphics-and-performance-guide#assassins-creed-iv-black-flag-optimal-playable-settings)without any issues at all.



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thewhitestig
03-22-2014, 03:28 PM
...

Swap that i5 4430 for a 4440, or wait one month for the haswell refresh and get a 4460.

pittbull4200
03-22-2014, 04:25 PM
Buiild yourself do not buy anything premade or any namebrand prebuilt system they are already out of date and junk. Brands like Dell and the other tops suck period.

Building a PC is easy find the parts you need read the motherboard hookup diagram if you need it you will never regret it a custom system will last years and years without needing upgrades I am playing on my 7yr old system

Locopells
03-22-2014, 07:38 PM
What do you need? I tend to buy everything from either Scan.co.uk or OverclockersUK

I need a graphic chip for one of these:

http://www.toshiba.co.uk/discontinued-products/qosmio-x770-11c/

the best my local tech guy could do was £100 for one in the US, that he said had probably been bodged into working, so it could be sold, and would crap out after a few months.

Skelface
03-22-2014, 07:44 PM
Some advices:

1. Like others said, DON'T GO with pre-built system, choose the components one by one. You have the entire control of what you want and it will be cheaper than a similar pre-built system. You're scared about constructing and setting up your machine? I was too, but it's far easier than you think. Just watch one or two videos, read the manuals for the toughest parts and you'll be good.

2. Be future-proof. I saw you're looking for a cheap PC. Do. Not. Make. This. Mistake. Your rig will last less longer than you think, less than a console (particularly in the beginning of this generation), even if you're not a graphic-wh*re. Don't be scared to put more money, or you will have to in one year or two and your cheap PC will be less profitable than build a better PC now.

3. Don't buy OEM OS.

Digital-Suicide
03-23-2014, 12:08 AM
Why NOT buy OEM OS.... I bought a few OEM OS's from scan and all i bought was a sata II cable... ;_)

I would say never buy a Pre-Build its better and in some case's works out cheaper to buy the components and build the system your self and its fun learning how to do it as well if you haven't done it before....I always build my own PC's and have done for 20 years now.

"remember a square peg will NOT fit in a round hole" :p