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Monson74
07-20-2004, 02:40 AM
Uhm - does anyone of you experts have any additional info on this one? I'm thinking of the quantity produced & the theaters it served in. Was it an experimental like the Mig3U or was it mass produced?


(Bf109G6/AS it is lol)
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Monson74
07-20-2004, 02:40 AM
Uhm - does anyone of you experts have any additional info on this one? I'm thinking of the quantity produced & the theaters it served in. Was it an experimental like the Mig3U or was it mass produced?


(Bf109G6/AS it is lol)
S!

Monson


"The Zerst├┬Ârers will form an offensive circle." - G├┬Âring

[This message was edited by Monson74 on Tue July 20 2004 at 10:09 AM.]

F19_Ob
07-20-2004, 03:22 AM
All the G models had field-conversionkits.
The hardest try to standardise the G modell was with G14 and G10.

http://www.vectorsite.net/avbf1092.html#m2

above is from this site:
http://www.vectorsite.net/avbf109.html


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3.JG51_Stecher
07-20-2004, 04:09 AM
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Originally posted by Monson74:
Uhm - does anyone of you experts have any additional info on this one? I'm thinking of the quantity produced & the theaters it served in. Was it an experimental like the Mig3U or was it mass produced?
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There were 226 newly built G-6/AS with an additional 460 existing airframes converted. Total number of G-6/AS was 686 aircraft. A few more than the 6 Mig-3Us that existed. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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The_Ant
07-20-2004, 04:21 AM
The germans also rebuilded some G5 too g5AS standard total number build i cant find,(maybe some otherone know that).They also converted G14s and also Builded them from scratch,according the book Me 109 Gustav by Robert Peczkowksi. The messershcmitt plant created 1399 or 1400 in the werke numbers from 165000-166400 and they where created in february too march 1944.Sadly no info on G6as and G5as production in the book since it states that g6 and g5 where converted from previuos aircraft.

JG53Frankyboy
07-20-2004, 04:40 AM
and the "real" Bf109G6 AS had no MW50 like in game.
the engine , DB 605AS , was a standart DB605A with the supercharger of the bigger DB603 . that gave its engine a much higher service ceiling. ~7800m instead of ~5800m.

3.JG51_Stecher
07-20-2004, 04:42 AM
There were plans to convert 176 G-5s, but it can only be confirmed that 92 were completed as G-5/AS. As for the G-14, it is estimated that about 1,000 of them were of the G-14/AS type.

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3.JG51_Stecher
07-20-2004, 05:13 AM
7800m and 5800m? Where did you read that?

We have the DB 605ASM engine for our G-6/AS, which is why MW-50 is available. Does anyone know if this was standard?

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JG53Frankyboy
07-20-2004, 05:58 AM
as an example out from the internet

http://w1.1861.telia.com/~u186104874/db605.htm

beside some books i have.

yes, the G6/AS in game has DB605ASM .
if that was standart ore not, well its in game , so no changes. personally i would prefer a DB605AS driven Bf109G6/AS . just for the interest of historical coop missions.

3.JG51_Stecher
07-20-2004, 06:35 AM
The G-6s had a service ceiling between 11,000m and 12,000m. Whatever book that said it was 5,800m should be thrown away. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Helvik
07-20-2004, 07:42 AM
The G6/AS in FB should be labelled a G14/AS since it has mw50.

DB605A = G-6
DB605AM (MW50) = G-14

DB605AS = G-6/AS
DB605ASM (MW50) = G-14/AS

Willey
07-20-2004, 07:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stecher_3.-JG51:
There were 226 newly built G-6/AS with an additional 460 existing airframes converted. Total number of G-6/AS was 686 aircraft. A few more than the 6 Mig-3Us that existed. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But there weren't even 100 with MW-50...

BTW: "service ceiling" should mean rated altitude... that would make sense.

JG53Frankyboy
07-20-2004, 07:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stecher_3.-JG51:
The G-6s had a service ceiling between 11,000m and 12,000m. Whatever book that said it was 5,800m should be thrown away. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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sry that english is not my native language. now i got you , sure i ment the rated altitude of the engines - not the service ceiling of the plane itself

3.JG51_Stecher
07-20-2004, 08:26 AM
Ah, now I get it.

BTW, the difference between G-6/AS and G-14/AS is fuel type, deeper oil cooler, larger wheels on some, and MW-50 right? Anything else?

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Helvik
07-20-2004, 08:43 AM
No the fuel type is the same, the diffeence is the larger super charger.

The DB605AS(M) supercharger was rebuilt using DB605A casing and fitted with the DB603A supercharger. It provided better power at altitude.

The G6/As / G14/As were used mostly by RVT gruppen to combat the western allies bombing campaign.

At lower alt to the G6/AS (with out mw50) would perform worse then the typical G-6 due to its supercharger.

There were over 600 G-6/AS (with out mw 50)

The first G-14/AS (with mw50)losses appear the third week in Aug '44 with JG 3 and JG 53. JG 11 soon followed. Regensburg began producing the G-14/AS in July '44. I am am unsure of the total numbers produced.

mortoma
07-20-2004, 08:48 AM
What a G6-AS was in RL and what it is in this game are two different things completely. In the game it's nothing more than a G6-Late with MW-50 added and a different paint job. Fly a G6-AS in FB and never turn on the Mw-50 boost and you're essentially flying a G6-Late with spiffier camo job....

JG53Frankyboy
07-20-2004, 09:29 AM
watching the 100% curves in IL2compare2.4 from Bf109G6late and Bf109G6/AS , the 6/AS realy is lacking that special high alt performance.
it looks like their two engines are rated for the same alt http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

btw , dont forgett the different cowling as a optical difference http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

meh_cd
07-20-2004, 10:01 AM
And the ugly purple camo! Blegh! Thank God for skinners!

3.JG51_Stecher
07-20-2004, 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by Helvik:
No the fuel type is the same, the diffeence is the larger super charger.
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That's the difference between the 605A and 605AS. The G-6/AS and the G-14/AS both had the larger supercharger of the 603. But if the G-14/AS used the 605ASM, didn't that use C3 fuel whereas the 605AS of the G-6/AS used B4?

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Monson74
07-20-2004, 11:07 AM
Thx for the replies - does anyone know where it saw action?

S!

Monson


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JG53Frankyboy
07-20-2004, 11:27 AM
almost exclusivlie in the west and there mainly in the Reichverteidigung (Homedefence)

perhaps you are interested in that link

http://www.ww2.dk/

it shows you the equipment of almost every LW unit by time

3.JG51_Stecher
07-20-2004, 11:31 AM
G-6/AS aircraft were used by III./JG1, I./JG5, II./JG11, I./JG3, II./JG27, and 1./NJGr10. As said, these were all based in western or southern Germany carrying out RVT when they received the G-6/AS during Spring and Summer of 1944.

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Helvik
07-20-2004, 12:57 PM
Stecher_3.-JG51

Butch Posted this on anotyher forum

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
As of march 1945 only a handful of 109 gruppen were using C3, one of the few being the II/JG11 which were responsible for testing the 605DB/DC over january-march 1945.

C3 was not used by 109 units until the 1.98ata boost was cleared, they relied on B4+MW-50 so that C3 could go to the 190 units. And even after the clearance only few gruppen got it because of shortages due not only to C3 production but also to C3 delivery to the units.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Typically B4 + MW50 was used.

3.JG51_Stecher
07-20-2004, 01:00 PM
Must be one of those planned v realities of war situations. Thanks.

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