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Destructis
06-22-2004, 05:03 AM
I just bought this last night. I don't have much recent experience with Flight Sims. I used to play the old F-19 and F-15 games a long time ago if anyone remembers those. I am going to learn the game as quickly as possible by playing the single player part first and then move on to the multiplayer.

I am a 43 year old guy who is divorced with 2 kids 13 and 14 who live with my ex. I have played a lot of online games including Everquest and City of Heroes and want something more challenging and fun at the same time.

I am going to go from the start playing in realistic mode. I hope to pick your brains and get better at the game so I can do the multiplayer stuff. From what I have read here, you are a nice bunch of people.

Any advice for noob who is just starting out?

Dest

Destructis
06-22-2004, 05:03 AM
I just bought this last night. I don't have much recent experience with Flight Sims. I used to play the old F-19 and F-15 games a long time ago if anyone remembers those. I am going to learn the game as quickly as possible by playing the single player part first and then move on to the multiplayer.

I am a 43 year old guy who is divorced with 2 kids 13 and 14 who live with my ex. I have played a lot of online games including Everquest and City of Heroes and want something more challenging and fun at the same time.

I am going to go from the start playing in realistic mode. I hope to pick your brains and get better at the game so I can do the multiplayer stuff. From what I have read here, you are a nice bunch of people.

Any advice for noob who is just starting out?

Dest

carguy_
06-22-2004, 05:10 AM
My advice is if you have good connection you should go online as soon as you can.

I mean if you can land,takeoff,manage the plane(flaps,gear,etc.) you should go online becuz AI teaches humans the most idiotic ways to get killed.

AI has eyes in the back of t`s head,FM doesn`t concern it.

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Tully__
06-22-2004, 05:15 AM
Don't spend too long on the offline stuff if you're serious about going online. The AI will teach you some bad tactical habits.

By all means use offline flight as a practice arena for getting the basics of taking off, landing and gunnery down, but once you feel you can't hit a target that's manouvering moderately better than one out of five (not necessarily kill, just hit) and you're reasonably confident about spotting aircraft fairly early, jump in at the deep end.

If you're flying with cockpit on (and I guess you are) in German aircraft and haven't already tried it, hit Shift-F1.

Be prepared for a fairly hard learning curve, most in here took anywhere from days to months before getting their first online kill. While none of the flight models are perfect mirrors of the real aircraft, the general performance is close enough that close to real tactics work. The real pilots took many hours with professional instructors to get to a level where they were even allowed in combat, so don't expect miracles teaching yourself at home http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

And welcome to our community. Feel free to ask questions and don't be put off by the occasional abrupt repsonse http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Huxley_S
06-22-2004, 05:44 AM
Many of the controls and handling are different for different planes - some have auto-prop pitch, some have auto radiators, some have a tricycle undercarraige, some have multi-engines, some are good for turn-fighting others for diving etc etc.

Pick a plane you like and stick with it in the beginning. If you tell us which plane you're flying it will be easier to help.

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Destructis
06-22-2004, 05:46 AM
Thanks for the responses so far. My fear about going online was that I would come across as a real newb and get kicked from servers and such. I know how important reputation is and I figured that learning offline would help me so I could function better online.

I am serious about getting online and have a cable modem and a decent computer. So connection won't be an issue.

I am very willing and excited about getting online and I just ask that you have patience with the learning curve for me.

My assessment was right that there is a good bunch of people here.

Dest

Destructis
06-22-2004, 05:47 AM
Any suggestions for planes that would be a good starter? I don't care much about which side I am on.

Sarpedon688
06-22-2004, 05:47 AM
Welcome

I'm going to join the fly it online acvice. Theres really no better teacher than a human. The best thing i found as a noob was to practice my gunnery offline things really start to imrrove when you can hit the other planes as you intent to start fly full real ( which i commend you for i didn't) i wont have to say that you should always IMO practice with limited ammo as fireing accurate short bursts is always more effective. Also as with everything you are always going to meet people who are unpleasant dont let it ruin the experiance.

Also on other thing that got me when i was flying OL for the first time. If a message comes up 'cheating detected' ignore it, its just lagg.

As for what plane would be good to start with I can only give you my opinon the generally german planes are harder to fly. I started on an La 5-FN and i still love it
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Destructis
06-22-2004, 05:53 AM
I need to download the patches, does the most recent patch cover everything or do I need to downloand each one in order and do it as a progression?

Huxley_S
06-22-2004, 05:58 AM
Well I'd add a bit of caution to the online thing. Basically, this game has been around for a while and most people who play online are pretty good.

It can be quite disconcerting to spend all your time crashing and getting shot down while everyone else seems to know exactly what they're doing. Don't be fooled though, everone had to start somewhere!

Most planes are fairly straight forward. The multi-engined planes are a bit more advanced and the FW190s require certain skills to fly.

Most people say that the La7 is an easy plane to fly, it is fast, powerful and holds together well under fire. I started out in the LaGG3 which is a very nice plane to fly but not very fast - this makes it a good trainer aircraft IMO. The Hurricane is another dependable aircraft.

There's a lot of planes to choose from so try a few out and see what you like.

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Slush69
06-22-2004, 06:02 AM
Hi and welcome,

1. you just need the latest patch.

2. the La-5FN is indeed a nice and forgiving plane, that performs decently in most roles: energy-fighting (BnZ) and turnfighting (TnB)

3. join an online squadron. They'll teach you all the online tricks you need to know.

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Tully__
06-22-2004, 06:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Destructis:
I need to download the patches, does the most recent patch cover everything or do I need to downloand each one in order and do it as a progression?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Patch order to get to the most recent (official) version:

FB 1.0 (retail version)
Ace Expansion Pack (retail add-on)
AEP patch 2.01

The FB Gold Pack includes the Ace Expansion Pack, so if you have that you only need download the 2.01 patch.

Sometime soon there'll be a 2.02 patch, but there's no official date yet.

Use the 3DGamers mirrors for downloads, they seem to suffer from file corruptions during download less often.

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Huxley_S
06-22-2004, 06:03 AM
Re: Patches, what have you got?

IL2 Sturmovik, IL2 Forgotten Battles or IL2 Forgotten Battles with the Aces Expansion Pack?

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Breeze147
06-22-2004, 06:07 AM
My fear about going online was that I would come across as a real newb and get kicked from servers and such


No, they'll love you for it, nice, easy kill.
Seriously, I've been playing this sim for just over 6 months. I do mostly ground pounding in the Sturmo, but I ventured online Sunday for the first time. A lot I don't understand, yet. I flew on HypeLobby. I didn't know how to chat. On some maps, I had no idea where I was or where the action was. One of the missions I flew was where the P-47 tries to blow up the German sub. I did that okay, but was quickly blasted out of the sky. I flew a P-38 mission twice, attacking an airfield. Got brought down by AAA once and blasted out of the sky by fighters the other time. Both times I got shot down by fighters, they were on me so quick and shot with such accuracy that I had no chance. It was a different experience, but one that I would say will require a great deal of practice and knowledge of Situational Awareness.

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Destructis
06-22-2004, 06:16 AM
I bought the FB Gold Pack.

I know there will be a steep learning curve and I will pretty much be cannon fodder for a while. The way I look at it, my first kill will be all that more sweet when I get it.

I won't look at my deaths as failures, but as learning experiences.

I tried a take off last night and crashed and burned. I will get take offs, landings, and how to target and shoot down before I get online. I am hoping it will only be a week.

I am sure I will have a ton of questions.

It was suggested that I join a squadron and I think that will be a good idea. I do plan on playing a lot because I have a lot of free time. My usual play times are 6-10 EST during the week and anytime on weekends.

Tully__
06-22-2004, 06:25 AM
For takeoff & landing practise, go to mulitplayer and start a dogfight server (which you don't expect anyone else to join). Instead of waiting for the mission to reload every time you make an error, you just hit ESC then Refly.

You have two options for takeoff/landing practice in a DF server. With the "Takeoffs & Landings" difficulty setting turned off, you will spawn in flight flying across the runway directly over your chosen field at about 1000m (3000ft) altitude. With that difficulty setting turned on, you will start on the parking area beside the runway with engine off.

You can fly circuits & bumps all day without ever having to reload the mission, and if you set fuel unlimited and don't mess up, you wont even have to refly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

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Udidtoo
06-22-2004, 06:33 AM
Welcome to the forum.

Upon entering a server it is customary, when encountering any plane with U-did-2 markings to use the following procedure.

Cut throttle,drop flaps to full, enter a straight and level flight pattern.

Smoking, bursting into flames or just loosing some of those really important parts before impacting terra firma are all considered acceptable forms of introduction.

Just busting your chops man, have a blast. Some day I will get real phone lines here then I'll go online and .........do everything I just listed above.

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I always have just enough fuel to arrive at the scene of my crash.

Huxley_S
06-22-2004, 06:45 AM
Hey Breeze, how about trying out for our Sturmovik group 69 GvShap? Lots of nice helpful people who will show you the ropes. You will learn a lot.

We play the Forgotten Skies online war which beats dogfight servers hands down.

You'll be able to fly your mission knowing that me and the rest of the GvIAP boys are up there in our Cobras looking out for you.

Check out our forum if you're interested.

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Destructis
06-22-2004, 07:27 AM
Heeh I think Breeze was just responding to me. I am the one looking :P

Tully__
06-22-2004, 08:11 AM
Hey Destructis, a link for you:

Takeoff and landing demonstrations for download: this post (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=619100384&r=693103384#693103384)

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Monson74
06-22-2004, 08:14 AM
Did anyone mention Hyperlobby? Well this is were it all takes place:

http://hyperfighter.jinak.cz/

You'll need to download & install the software but everything is well explained there. & Welocome BTW. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

S!

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Breeze147
06-22-2004, 08:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Huxley_S:
Hey Breeze, how about trying out for our Sturmovik group 69 GvShap? Lots of nice helpful people who will show you the ropes. You will learn a lot.

We play the Forgotten Skies online war which beats dogfight servers hands down.

You'll be able to fly your mission knowing that me and the rest of the GvIAP boys are up there in our Cobras looking out for you.

Check out our forum if you're interested.

http://www.baseclass.modulweb.dk/69giap

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Thanks for the invitation!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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karost
06-22-2004, 09:40 AM
just click at Find-&gt;advance serach ( at top of this page )
then select
Search Words: noob
Forum: General Discussion(IL-2 Related)
Search in: Subject Only (checked)
then click Search , you will find many good knowledge from many good friends share a good idea to help you.

for my advice have only three thing.
1) online skill will improve you learning faster then offline
2) read everything about how to play online from web search
3) offline training good for basic fly and gunning.


enjoy your hunting
S!

Zeus-cat
06-22-2004, 10:35 AM
You can send me an e-mail at zeuscat@sbcglobal.net if you want some practice ground pounding missions. No other aircraft in the game in these missions. They were made purely to practice dropping bombs, firing rockets and strafing ground targets. 4 different missions; each one has a different target: harbor, armor, train station/moving trains and the fourth is an airfield attack. I have both IL-2 and P-47 versions. If you want I can make P-51, P-38 or German versions.

I also include static cameras at vital points so you can take a quick look to see if you are dropping your bombs on target.

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