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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 07:45 PM
We have all been waiting very patiently for any news on the patch and we know it is in your hands now. I am not whining, nor am I demanding that you give us a patch. This game came out nearly four months ago, and while it is very good in it's present state. There are some aspects that can ruin your fun, such as the flak and net code. We were told there was a patch coming and we were estatic, while we are lucky to have you support the game after release, which hardly anyone else does. If you have noticed things are pretty uptight around here lately, and much of it is due to the patch and all of the rumors surrounding it. Here is the point of this post; If you could just give us any info at all on the Patch such as time frame for release, size and confirm or deny the add-on rumor that is so persistent. It would greatly help the general health of this community to finally have some word from the people who are putting this thing out, and perhaps the rumors will stop spreading like wild-fire. Also any news, whatever it may be is better than none which is exactly what we have been getting. Thank you in advance for any little tidbits you can pass along to us as it will be greatly appreciated.
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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 07:45 PM
We have all been waiting very patiently for any news on the patch and we know it is in your hands now. I am not whining, nor am I demanding that you give us a patch. This game came out nearly four months ago, and while it is very good in it's present state. There are some aspects that can ruin your fun, such as the flak and net code. We were told there was a patch coming and we were estatic, while we are lucky to have you support the game after release, which hardly anyone else does. If you have noticed things are pretty uptight around here lately, and much of it is due to the patch and all of the rumors surrounding it. Here is the point of this post; If you could just give us any info at all on the Patch such as time frame for release, size and confirm or deny the add-on rumor that is so persistent. It would greatly help the general health of this community to finally have some word from the people who are putting this thing out, and perhaps the rumors will stop spreading like wild-fire. Also any news, whatever it may be is better than none which is exactly what we have been getting. Thank you in advance for any little tidbits you can pass along to us as it will be greatly appreciated.
~S!
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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 07:51 PM
I agree!

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 07:54 PM
I too agree.

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 07:58 PM
All excellent points! And well written, and thought out! I thought this type of post wasn't allowed on this board! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 07:59 PM
bump

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07-04-2003, 08:02 PM
bumpity bump.

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07-04-2003, 08:05 PM
Hey Ridge, how can I get that Gibbage pin into my sig?

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 08:07 PM
bump

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 08:13 PM
~S!

I agree and support the statement.




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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 08:15 PM
Eagle_361st you rule!

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 08:16 PM
july 29th or later.

And I couldnt agree more, you will probally get flamed and locked anyway for asking nice too.

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 08:17 PM
Good post Sean......... I agree 101%....

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 08:32 PM
verygrimsmileyface.rbj

-- - would greatly help the general health of this community

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Message Edited on 07/04/0307:33PM by LEXX_Luthor

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 08:37 PM
1. I agree with eagles statement

2. Bump!

3. Killjoy, i don´t think that your suggestion would do any good. But you definitely know how to get banned /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 08:38 PM
I have been banned 4 times and i have been here from the begining http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 08:45 PM
Thanks guys for your support, I just want these things to be addressed as it will finally seal what the deal is here. I feel they can at least say something to keep us customers happy. Hearing nothing like we have been is worse than anything, and it's out of Oleg's hands now. So hopefully they will listen and give us some scrap's. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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Message Edited on 07/04/0307:51PM by Eagle_361st

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 08:49 PM
this is aint CFS3 so we need no PATCH /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 08:57 PM
Surprise surprise.. it's the 4th and not even a friggin update, at least an update on the patch status.

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 08:58 PM
Haven't had an update in almost a month. We better have something on Monday, or later next week.

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Cpt.LoneRanger
07-04-2003, 08:59 PM
I don't understand this either. Is everybody allready on summer-holidays???

No info whatsoever.On LOMAC we hear nothing at all - no Video, no Warstory, though we know it's ready and just has to be posted.

On IL2 we know the Patch was sent to UBI before Cartrix left, so some 2 weeks ago and still not the slightest shimmer of ANY information at all.

So, what are you doing? Keyboard-Mikado? Who first moves a finger to post something loses?

At least you could post something like a weather-forecast, or whatsoever, so we know, you're still interested in customers to buy your future games!


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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 09:07 PM
First of all BUMP

2nd. I think the thing that spoiled lots of the good things we had on this forum or with this game is that all of a sudden all kind of communication between players and developers stopped. One the one hand we have lots of ppl, especially in ORR screaming around that they need this or that which was not like that in IL2 times. On the other hand it is horrible that UBI leaves us alone in the dark all of a sudden. We get no updates, no info, NOTHING. when FB came out we had dev updates every week, we knew aproximately when it will be out. then they told us it will be a full game and it will be out couple of weeks later, but at least we KNEW that and ppl were not speculating, inventing things and arguing about stuff no one knew of. Please Oleg, 1C or UBI:

Why can't you tell us at least how long it will take to get the patch? Why can't you just say we will have this and that in the patch? No one will leave the forum I guess if you say we will bring all the new planes in a later add on. but PLEASE tell us at least something!

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 09:14 PM
bump

If they do something to pi$$ us off is keeping us uninformed.

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 09:26 PM
carguy_ wrote:
- bump
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- If they do something to pi$$ us off is keeping us
- uninformed.
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- NO OFICIALL INFO SINCE FEBRUARY!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif
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bump, ubi u = bad company by not looking after customers,

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 09:28 PM
I'm all for taking it easy (also because this is a game), but frankly someone could have dropped at least a note, after almost one month from the last dev update.. Not necessarily Oleg, or his colleagues, or a web content editor, but at least some janitor at UBI..

Coming here for information is becoming pointless.. Will the last to leave please shut off the lights?

Cpt.LoneRanger
07-04-2003, 09:38 PM
Gershy, I think the reason why ppl get shouting at each other is the fact, that there's absolutely no response and the bugs in the game divide the community and noone from the official staff seems to care.

THAT is the whole thing, IMHO.

When did you play the last campaign? I gave it up, because it simply sux with this stupid teammates and the sniper-flak and all. And I think many others here are upset, too, because they like the game and they just don't understand why there is no info about this patch or when it is released, or if at all and we're discussing this matter for over 4 month (?) now! And we still wait for the patch and it's still not in sight.

THAT's the whole thing here and THAT's what's making people use he CapsLock....

I active in this forum for several weeks, now, but I'm more and more dissapionted, cause nobody seems to care, what we discuss here. And don't tell me, it's all OT.... =/

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 10:06 PM
- Oleg, please, think of the children.


Yeah, we want the sniper Flak, and sniper bomber gunners, and the net code, and the, and the...

Hell, we want it all fixed right now !!!
Actually, alomst 100% of complaints are right on the mark.



Seriously, I too have been noticing recently that
it has gotten a lot quieter from ubi's end.
A lot quieter......

Lets hope this is not a portent of things to come.....


Allan

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 10:21 PM
July 29th??

Seriously?


Last I heard was 2-2.5 weeks in ORR. How is that not an update?

2 weeks was around today (4th). So, according to Oleg it would be from around 4th to the 8th.





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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 10:24 PM
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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 10:25 PM
I'll add my support to this thread because so far it has remained mature for the most part. As I said before I agree that a patch should have been out long ago to make campaigns enjoyable. But Oleg and crew wanted to release one big patch to avoid confusion, I disagree, but that is fine. Still, a little information would be appreciated and would help the community IMHO. From a business standpoint I think that UBI/1C should be concerned about the amount of frustration that is being posted on the best source of information about their own product. If I was a newcomer and read most of what is posted here I would think that the game is incomplete/flawed, and that the community does not get much support. And I hate to say it but to some extent this is true, FB has some serious bugs that needed to be resolved earlier than 5 months and counting. So here is hoping that there is some movement soon for the good of the community and UBI/1C's future. I think 1C/Maddox are great, I just think they have made a few bad decisions as of late that can be somewhat rectified with some official information. I just want to end this statement by saying to any newcomers that FB is an excellent game and the frustration you see here often is a result of our passion for this great simulation that easily surpasses all others, and will be even better in the near future.

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Cpt.LoneRanger
07-04-2003, 10:31 PM
For MY part, THIS is very bad advertising.

I will reconsider for sure, if this ADDON is commercially puplished, if I will spend my money on some new plane-modells and then wait half a year for a patch that might come or not come, to actually USE it in anything else than the QMB...

THIS is definately BAD marketing.



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The_Blue_Devil
07-04-2003, 10:40 PM
Amen....I know Oleg has been sick....I know Cartrix has been away. I think all of the bad stuff round here happened since FB came out. Why? Because the communication between UBI/1c and We the Customers has been cut off. This is strange and unusual for us in that We are Not used to this!!! Oleg is one of the coolest developers around..He actually flies with us and asks our input. He has never given us a false date until FB..thats why all of our Jaws dropped when the patch was not released on the dates he gave. Our faith is not failing..but it is shaken. We know Oleg would never intentionally lie to or blow us off..but the fact remains that UBI is strangling FB and the Customers. The fake release dates and restrictions on the board Must Stop...How Else will FB ever be like the good ole days in IL2..where you knew what was happening at 1C and you had a place to chew the fat..I.E. the Forums.

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 11:14 PM
man....you guys really know how to whine....youl've made it an art form.

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 11:19 PM
You guys all need to chill out.

It is true that this may not be the VERY BEST way to handle customers and the relaying of information, however scarce it has been hasn´t been the best either.

But remember it is always like this before a patch, 1C and UBI have to test and test for bugs, and finish up things at the same time.

Remember the last time everyone was whining for the patch and it was leaked, delaying the original?

Not to mention they are doing this as a free patch, then free upgrade...geez...

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Cpt.LoneRanger
07-04-2003, 11:39 PM
1. Ubi does NOT test the patch, they just do the legal stuff, marketing ad contribution. It was allready tested as stated in this forum 2 or 3 weeks ago.

2. Wrong! The leaked patch actually forced Ubi to release the patch earlier than they wanted to release it.

3. If it's like F1RS2, the patch was 1 year in the hands of Ubi, before it was simply cancelled the release.

4. This is not whining. We don't say anything that depends on point of view, but infact this is rather putting together some facts!

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 11:44 PM
4. This is not whining. We don't say anything that
- depends on point of view, but infact this is rather
- putting together some facts!
-
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usually if someone insists theyre not whining.....theyre whining.

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 11:45 PM
Cpt.LoneRanger wrote:
- 1. Ubi does NOT test the patch, they just do the
- legal stuff, marketing ad contribution. It was
- allready tested as stated in this forum 2 or 3 weeks
- ago.

In one of his last posts Oleg said the patch is almost done.


- 2. Wrong! The leaked patch actually forced Ubi to
- release the patch earlier than they wanted to
- release it.

Why?



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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 11:47 PM
I think 90% of the people here need a vacation.

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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 12:14 AM
Well my intention was for the possiblity of UBI or 1C to come out and tell us something to perhaps bring a little happiness to these forums. Everyone is purely frustrated with the total loss of communication, and the bugs in the game. I think we have been very civil here and want to keep this thread alive so maybe someone at UBI can read this, get clearence or whatever and give us something, anything that is something we need reasonably. Seriously I can understand Oleg having been ill and such, why did nobody tell us this until he was back? And it was Oleg himself. This missed dates for the patch? Again no communication, we are just here waiting and waiting. I understand as probably everyone else here, if it isn't done that is fine just tell us. Tell us it will be in 4-6 weeks, 4-6 months whatever, just something anything. When there is no word from the guys doing this, words get made up i.e rumors which just make matters worse IMHO. Again I re-iterate this is by far the best simulation in the world and I love it, but nothing is ever perfect. So kudo's are definately in order for Oleg and 1c but none are in order in the communication department for anyone in UBI or 1c. Oleg is the only one who has said boo to us, surely there are other people on both ends who could. But as I said before it is now in UBI's hands and their control so maybe they can tell us something in regards to the patch. This would help their image incredibly with their most loyal of customers.
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07-05-2003, 04:32 AM
bump

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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 04:40 AM
Go call tech support if you have a problem with your software. Nothing gets fixed by posting on a forum.

The procedure is to actively ask for help. Ubi will provide it.

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07-05-2003, 05:48 AM
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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 08:14 AM
bump

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07-05-2003, 08:47 AM
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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 10:06 AM
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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 10:13 AM
In my opinion there are two kinds of businesses. The first kind realizes that its existence is hinged on its customer base so they always put customer service at the forefront of their business credo. The second kind takes it for granted that they will always have customers and therefore has no real concern about pleasing them or losing them. From what I have seen the former type of business usually exists on the climb to success while the latter usually evolves when a second wave of management that had no had in securing the customers takes over.

Personally I think UBI treats its customers with the kind of disdain that only a company assuming an infinite amount of customers could have. Of course FB is such a great product that they can take the abuse to extremes and not lose the support due to the customer's love of the game. On the other hand, the day another company puts out an excellent flight sim and takes good care of its customers is the day that UBI Soft will no longer have a penny of my business.

Frankly I see a patch as a signal that the original product is flawed. Now I believe that the average flight sim fan will have infinite patience with a flawed product so long as the company that sold it keeps them informed throughout the correction process. This whole "you will get it when you get it" attitude that comes via the volunteer moderators is so contrary to the heart of real customer service that it just really turns me off. I also get tired of people saying that "if you don't like it just return it to the store". I don't know what country these people come from but where I live if you buy a software product you own it permanently. There is no return option for a flawed product and that is why a company like Ubi Soft should be especially diligent in their customer service.

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 11:15 AM
Walter De La Mare


The Listeners
"Is anybody there?" said the FB Fan
Knocking on the moonlit door;
And his horse in the silence chomped the grasses
Of the forest's ferny floor.
And a bird flew up out of the turret,
Above the Gamer's head:
And he smote upon the door a second time;
"Is there anybody there?" he said.
But no one descended to the Gamer;
No head from the leaf-fringed sill
Leaned over and looked into his gray eyes,
Where he stood perplexed and still.
But only a host of phantom listeners
That dwelt in the lone house then
Stood listening in the quiet of the moonlight
To that voice from the world of men:
Stood thronging the faint moonbeams on the dark stair
That goes down to the empty hall,
Hearkening in an air stirred and shaken
By the lonely Sim Fan's call.
And he felt in his heart their strangeness,
Their stillness answering his cry,
While his horse moved, cropping the dark turf,
'Neath the starred and leafy sky;
For he suddenly smote the door, even
Louder, and lifted his head:--
"Tell them I came for an update, but no one answered,
That I kept my word," he said.
Never the least stir made the Ubi staff
Though every word he spake
Fell echoing through the shadowiness of the still house
From the one man left awake:
Aye, they heard his foot upon the stirrup,
And the sound of iron on stone,
And how the silence surged softly backward,
When the plunging hoofs were gone.

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 12:26 PM
Great post Eagle_361st.

Well put Bucinda (certainly in NZ you can't return software).

If it wasn't for that fact that we know that Oleg cares, this lack of interest would be a sure sign that they've packed up and moved on.

I can imagine the moderators for this board must have noticed the change in attidude etc here on the forums and said to UBI and Oleg "hey look, their getting restless, it might be a good idea to provide them with some information".By not doing so it only feeds the logical conclusion, that being that the patch is imminent and that they are too busy sorting the deployment methods. Consider that when it comes out UBI's servers will be jammed for about a week or two.

One of the things that endeared IL-2 to people (as others have said) was that the publisher and creator cared about it and sought feedback. It is what programmers are supposed to do.

Hopefully, when the patch is released Oleg and UBI will know what they are doing with the a/c under development and inform us of the road ahead. We all know that FB's remaining time as a major focus for 1C/Maddox is waining, so an indication of what lies ahead would be helpful.

Come on Oleg, UBI & Co. Please, we obviously care, or we wouldn't be here would we? How about some official information to set the fans at ease.

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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 01:47 PM
*shameless bump*

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 03:34 PM
Great stuff gentleman! I am glad to see that we are all puttin well thought out responses to this down. This only makes this thread even better to get the attention of somebody that should feel compelled to give us what we seek. Just a simple answer to our question.
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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 03:52 PM
I'm expecting the earliest update (if any at all) to be on monday again..

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 05:45 PM
actualy it is very fustrating....the same deal more or less happens with lomac. i am visiting both sites every day, and more than once. what can i say? everybody is on vecation? then they schould tell us so that we can go as well. i just hope this isnt an economical problem of ubisoft, cuz that would be the end of IL2 and lomac.


P.S. i can understand that the moderators may not know, but the responce "will be out when its out" is getting really on my nerves. In a way its just like taxes, they are getting (if they are) payed from the money we pay for the game. So either close down the forums so we will stop "whining" as some ppl say OR give as some answers. I just hate being kept in the dark so long and without a hint.

There are 10 kinds of people in this world: those who can count in binary, and those who can't.

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 05:59 PM
Don't get too frustrated, they obviously lack the ability to deliver when they say they will - happens over and over again. Wasn't the initial patch date a few months ago? I notice this with other games.

I figure they don't get any more sales out of the game with a patch release.

Out of 4 buddies from my work that I convinced to buy FB at it's release, I'm the only one still playing.

They found the AI to be so unbelievable they returned it(they found the AI's ability to see through bad weather and clouds to be unacceptable).Between lack of online game modes, warping and game pauses - and offline AI behavior, it will be hard to convince them to rebuy this game. One of them wanted to host a server but found out there wasn't such a thing. All 4 went back to first person shooters.

Wonder how many others have done the same?

Do they count returns against the sales figures?



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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 06:00 PM
IBTL /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 06:06 PM
Shouldn't this be on the ORR forum? When was the last time you saw Oleg post on this forum?

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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 06:40 PM
Maybe it's now vaporware.

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 07:06 PM
I agree..... what's the deal ! We need information !

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 07:26 PM
BuzzU::
-- Shouldn't this be on the ORR forum?

Well that's new. I never heard that line before!!

Only reason I do FB is for Eastern Front. I would stick around if Oleg does Pacific though. That would be awesome. I would prefer Spanish Civil WAR more than anything though.

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 07:52 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- Shouldn't this be on the ORR forum? When was the
- last time you saw Oleg post on this forum?
-
- Da Buzz

Buzz,
We are trying to get answers from UBI, not Oleg as he stated they have the patch. So they are who needs to answer our burning question.
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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 07:57 PM
Hey, Eagle!

You the man!!!!!!

Hell you write like a lawyer - and sure enough, this whole patch business is like really bad advertising for UBI.

I might just skip their games in the future.

"Someday this war's gonna end..."

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 08:24 PM
SFC_Tako wrote:
- Hey, Eagle!
-
- You the man!!!!!!
-
- Hell you write like a lawyer

Don´t take this the wrong way Eagle, just a shameless plug /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif , but I think lawyers would know how to use paragraphs /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 08:34 PM
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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 05:20 AM
bump

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 06:21 AM
Surveyor 1,
Does UbiSoft pay you to be a corporate apologist or do you simply do it for free?

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 01:12 PM
StG77_Kondor wrote:
- SFC_Tako wrote:
-- Hey, Eagle!
--
-- You the man!!!!!!
--
-- Hell you write like a lawyer
-
- Don´t take this the wrong way Eagle, just a
- shameless plug /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif , but I think lawyers
- would know how to use paragraphs /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I wish I was a lawyer, then perhaps money would be of little concern to me, and my racing career would be much more lucrative. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
And I will be sure to use proper paragraph structure in the future as it seem's the StG77 are all English Teachers as well as Stuks pilots. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.giflol
~S!
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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 04:03 PM
lol /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

That is right...err correct! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 04:17 PM
gotta bump it, preferably to ORR or Tech Support


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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 05:33 PM
bump

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 09:40 PM
Bump

Hey Eagle, what do you race? Just noticed after re-re-reading you post /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 09:59 PM
Let's hope we get some proper news tomorrow :|

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 10:44 PM
Ford Mustangs (How ironic aye/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ), but 1/4 mile amatuer. Someday maybe I will be lucky enough to do it for a living, and then I can have both of my Mustangs. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
~S!
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P.S.
I am hoping for some information tommorow too, let's all hope.

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 11:38 PM
bump

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 02:18 AM
Ah...was thinking of little mini go-karts for some reason /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif .

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 04:38 AM
StG77_Kondor wrote:
- Ah...was thinking of little mini go-karts for some
- reason /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif .
-

Yeah I grew outta those years ago, though I do go back to them as they are just way too much fun.
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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 08:13 AM
Bump, it's almost Monday.


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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 09:45 AM
bump, monday

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 10:07 AM
Bump

I agree - come on UBI I've been feeling like a mushroom for weeks.

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 10:14 AM
Good post guys. Ubi, it is very frustrating to be given little information regarding the patch. Information from Oleg is like striking gold, it makes everyone happy and gives us that warm, still cared for feeling.

It would be nice if you guys gave us some more info, you have a loyal fan base here, don't abuse that loyalty.

What about sending in a petition of names to the Ubi support E-Mail address guys, they have to look at that.

Matt

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 10:31 AM
Splunch?

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 11:47 AM
Well, it's still monday

What time is it on the east coast of the US? and where is UBI located?

And if 1C is located in russia/moscow then we should have word by now cause it's late in the afternoon already.

Hunter82
07-07-2003, 01:18 PM
The way I read this it will be mid-late July before shipped. I haven't seen anything saying hard 'facts' it would be anything earlier than that... If you guys can provide links to where Oleg gives a release date after the post below where it says UBI have it and are testing it with a firm release date I'd be interested in seeing it. Not ust the one that explains the process but dates /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Please link them so I can read them. The search keeps timing out.

Author: Oleg_Maddox
Rank: Creator of IL-2 Sturmovik
Date: 06/21/03 04:26AM




Hi,

Unfortunately (not fo me ) I will be absent till July 3.
Anyway the work over patch almost finished. So I hope to get final result during 2-2,5 weeks.

After the patch, we'll work and compile the small add-on with some new staff and if neccessary - will fix the last bugs that may be present in released already patch (not all is possible to find even with hundreds of testers that are working right now over the patch).

In a patch are hundreds changes in all areas. We were reading forums with great attention. So all fixes that were considerend by us as bugs, but not limits of technology, etc we tried to correct.
There also will be some improvements in online and video.
Sound - completely new driver.

That all that I would like to tell for a short time before I will run from office.

Please be patient and wait a bit more. We would like to make once and good . Such thing deserver some time.



Oleg Maddox
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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 04:40 PM
bump

michapma
07-07-2003, 05:27 PM
Hunter,

Oleg posted that on June 21. If his estimate turns out to be correct, then the patch should be out sometime this week. The way it reads, I infer that he hopes "to get the final result ... 2-2,5 weeks" after the date he posted it, not after he comes back (July 3).

I am content to wait on the patch. I don't like not hearing anything either, but it's not like I don't have anything to do. I don't find FB to be unplayable or unenjoyable at all as is. Go figure.

Cheers,
Mike

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 07:35 PM
bump, ubi sucks

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 08:28 PM
bump

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 10:13 PM
As I scan this forum at 3:00 MDT which means it is 5:00 EST it has become blaringly obvious that UBI has no appreciation for it's customers. There are at least a half dozen posts like this that popped up today alone respectfully asking for any information at all. And yet there is not so much as fart from their part except maybe in our general direction. We may represent a small share of the sales worldwide, but we could not be more important to your future in sims. Here's why (We will go back to Customer Service for beginners, yeah I know you have no idea what that is so I will instruct you for the future)

1) Always address any customer complaints quickly and give any solutions that are possible. (hmmm)
2) Never let a customer leave unhappy, always be sure that you have done everything possible (hmmm)
3) One must remember that for each unhappy customer (by the way we are growing everyday here) they will in turn tell 10-20 of the friends, neighbors, etc, etc, how horrid their experience was and those people follow the same pattern. This is the worst thing to happen to any company as the effects are ever-lasting while slow to show at first, but become a uncontrollable tidal wave.

You see what I am getting at here? We are not happy, you are ignoring us, you are avoiding us, you have clearly shown that you got your money and that is all that matters. A simple response by Joe Blow would be fine, we asked for anything, not the patch(although that would be great) but for any info you could give. Like maybe "We have been busy with holiday, just started testing patch time frame would be 2-3 weeks" Wow and that would have made a world of difference, 30 seconds of someones time and effort to save a disaster. Well be sure the only way I can see you saving face here is to publicly apologize to us all and respond to our questions.

Me I will avoid anything in the future stamped UBI, I am sorry but even if Oleg and 1c are on it too. You are the worst kind of Company when dealing with customers and be sure we know it now. I eagerly await the no reply and overall avoidance on your part.
Sincerely
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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 11:09 PM
^^good one

oh yeah, bump

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 11:12 PM
Maybe entire UBI crew is on vacation?It`s summer,isn`t it?

"degustibus non disputandum"

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 11:14 PM
Looks more like a black hole swallowed them all /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 04:48 AM
Bump, surely this wont get locked we have been relatively passive in this one gents.

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 04:57 AM
UBI, on the IL2 brand name you've always had us toting how great it is when talking with people. Word of mouth is a great thing to have working for you! "You're welcome".

I've been in EBGames store countless times and told many people how great it is, how well it's supported, and even how Oleg Maddox, "The Man" is around to chat with the community from time to time. All of this I've done because I've been very impressed with the product called "IL2".


Since then, I've gotten a defective Splinter Cell product, a defective RavenShield product, gotten kicked out of your support areas by arrogant support forum moderators who were unable to speak on your behalf but got tired of people pestering THEM for your shortcomings.

Release the patch when YOU want. Tell us WHAT YOU want to. Just rest assured that word of mouth goes both ways and the lack of communication you give us, YOUR customers, will come back to haunt YOU, not US.

I feel bad for Oleg because he's FAR too respectable a guy and far too hard working to be in the same class as your money grubbing organization. Oleg DOES communicate with us, so I doubt anyone will hold these sentiments against him...





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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 09:07 AM
why am i convinsed that its an "echonomical thing"? maybe they desided to close down everything or something.

There are 10 kinds of people in this world: those who can count in binary, and those who can't.

XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 09:52 AM
i have a Question ...........

have any of you guys had the opportunity to try the patch flight model out yet ?

i mean FBs new patch ?

XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 03:45 PM
Bump

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 03:49 PM
I have bad news folks. The patch was killed in yesterday's riot outside of UBI soft's headquarters. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 06:55 PM
Get the medics! You are in need to revive this poor "patch", he is the saviour of our people. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 07:14 PM
bump.

Dear UBI Soft,

When are we getting the patch for FB? If we don't get it soon I'll crash my TB3 into UBI Soft headquarters! And you don't want that do you?

XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 07:17 PM
Ok, here's the date:

Somewhere between tomorrow and a month from now.

XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 07:51 PM
Vengeanze wrote:
- Ok, here's the date:
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- Somewhere between tomorrow and a month from now.

Can we hold you to that Ven?

XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 08:21 PM
Oh oh it seems Ven is in the know. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Do tell mate, do tell

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 08:25 PM
LW_August wrote:
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- Vengeanze wrote:
-- Ok, here's the date:
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-- Somewhere between tomorrow and a month from now.
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- Can we hold you to that Ven?


Yes u can but don't blame UBI if I'm wrong. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 10:11 PM
lets huck the game code-----------let's change the game as we want it too be.

we will fix those problems alone.just like it was with the
falcon 4.

XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 08:05 AM
*Sigh*

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Hunter82
07-09-2003, 12:19 PM
hehe Mike /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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michapma
07-09-2003, 01:15 PM
hehe yerself, I know. You get full credit, smarty-pants. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-tongue.gif

I read it even more closely and with a fresh brain this morning, and commented in another now-locked thread:

http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=zdddw&tpage=3

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Date: 07/09/03 08:52AM





<blockquote>"Unfortunately (not fo me ) I will be absent till July 3.
Anyway the work over patch almost finished. So I hope to get final result during 2-2,5 weeks."</blockquote>

Hmm, I just read this more carefully. On June 21, work on the patch was "almost finished." Oleg would be away. So he hoped to get the final result in the next 2-2.5 weeks. According to his estimate, sounds like he would have the patch finished from his end. Ubi could be just now getting the patch. Buzz is right, patch completion is not synonymous with patch release. Oleg did not write to us that the patch would be released 2-2,5 weeks from June 21.

That's why I think that all of the anticipation over the patch is kind of silly. As this thread points out, the only valid complaint we have comes from the desire to just hear something from Oleg or Ubi.

Cheers,
Mike


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XyZspineZyX
07-09-2003, 01:22 PM
I'm just glad my in-official release date seems to stick.