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JG52Uther
07-13-2004, 01:25 AM
What is it with guys 'leaving the game' just as they are about to be shot down.It happened twice to guys in my squad last night on Warclouds 44.What is it , Noobness?,cant take the heat? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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JG52Uther
07-13-2004, 01:25 AM
What is it with guys 'leaving the game' just as they are about to be shot down.It happened twice to guys in my squad last night on Warclouds 44.What is it , Noobness?,cant take the heat? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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Hoarmurath
07-13-2004, 01:31 AM
Too much lag in warclouds, i always have stutters in this server, more than in virtualpilots.

If there were Cam squadron pilots involved in your issue about yesterday, that's easy, there was a call for some squadron flying on teamspeak, so we left the server.

About the other pilots, well, just count it as a win. I don't know for you, but i don't care for the points, i feel as happy when my opponent crash while hard pressed in a fight than when i nail him with my guns.

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Franzen
07-13-2004, 01:42 AM
Not only is lag a possiblity but there is also the pc to consider. A similar thing has happened to me many times. I will be in the perfect position with the enemy in my sights and when I pull the trigger I'm back to desktop and have to restart the game all over again. My pc is a P3, 933mhz, 786ram, and a GeForce2 vid card. Trust me, I'm not bragging. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Due to my pc's lack of ballz, my game shuts down. Usually happens around AAA, too many planes, or multiple similtaneous crashes. Maybe I'm not the only one with an old pc. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz Franzen

Greenwidth
07-13-2004, 01:47 AM
Never seen that on Warclouds, but I have had people "disco" on other servers. Especially ones that record stats, eg Greatergreen, F16.

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BaldieJr
07-13-2004, 01:57 AM
I leave games when its convenient for me, not my opponent. When my fiance needs me to kill a ferocious spider or what-not, I can't tell her "Sorry honey, I'm being shot down. I don't want to deny this ace his glory or precious points.".

Have a drink to losen up before you 'play'. k?

M.R.Maiornikov
07-13-2004, 02:05 AM
hehe boldie nice point there...i think some people take it way too serious.So big deal the guy left,go find another one and shoot him down...that's all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Snow_Wolf_
07-13-2004, 02:22 AM
yea i ran into this problem twice tonight in warclouds 44. I didn't get killed or anything i set my netspeed to 8000 as they say and i still get the wired red bars from the server once someone start shooting and it only started to happen lately. I was also on Warclouds Teamspeak too but it didn't disconnect me from that.

I never experence this type of problem in any other online dogfight servers or coops every just runs smooth.

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3.JG51_Stecher
07-13-2004, 02:39 AM
It certainly sounds like some of these are connection issues, but there is another possible cause for at least a few of these instances. Warclouds has a 3 death kick right? If you're shooting at a plane and you kill the pilot, being his third death/capture, it will kick him and his plane vanishes, just as you are ready to rip it apart. Might explain some of this.

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WUAF_Badsight
07-13-2004, 02:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG52Uther:
What is it with guys 'leaving the game' just as they are about to be shot down.It happened twice to guys in my squad last night on Warclouds 44.What is it , Noobness?,cant take the heat? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Warclouds has a deathkick

if im on my last pilot , you want me to just accept a ban ?

its a valid way of avoiding the deathkick (as long as you can get stright back in)

makes sense doesnt it ?

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LeadSpitter_
07-13-2004, 03:11 AM
now this is what I call a whine thread

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Nub_322Sqn
07-13-2004, 03:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG52Uther:
What is it with guys 'leaving the game' just as they are about to be shot down.It happened twice to guys in my squad last night on Warclouds 44.What is it , Noobness?,cant take the heat? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Miss-Kitten
07-13-2004, 03:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
Not only is lag a possiblity but there is also the pc to consider. A similar thing has happened to me many times. I will be in the perfect position with the enemy in my sights and when I pull the trigger I'm back to desktop and have to restart the game all over again. My pc is a P3, 933mhz, 786ram, and a GeForce2 vid card. Trust me, I'm not bragging. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Due to my pc's lack of ballz, my game shuts down. Usually happens around AAA, too many planes, or multiple similtaneous crashes. Maybe I'm not the only one with an old pc. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz Franzen<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hehe, I know how that goes too. Specially on full servers. Tho lately I haven't had any of them yet. My system is about the same as yours, except you have more ram, and I have a better gfx card.

It usually is very playable tho (unlike lomac), and aside of the occasional stutter things have ran quite smoothly.

but yes there are many reasons to consider why someone suddenly leave. Tho at my skill level I don't really care why people leave.

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pcisbest
07-13-2004, 03:50 AM
LOL with all of the whines and crying going on here, I thought for a second I was in the Ravenshield forums http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

jurinko
07-13-2004, 03:59 AM
check who just left the game and entered it again and shoot him on the ground. no mercy.

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JG52Uther
07-13-2004, 04:05 AM
Alright must be just me then http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif But i have not seen this before myself,i always hang around to get shot down,and i never get unexpectedly called away just as someone is gonna shoot me ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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LuckyBoy1
07-13-2004, 04:09 AM
Look, I had promised myself when I was a young man, that when I got old I would not rag on the younger crowd about this or that, but I am finding computers are having unintended consequences in life. We are raising a generation that does not have to learn the painfull process of losing well. Play even a simple game of Hearts online and you will see this behavior over and over agin. Why lose when you can just leave?

Think about how important knowing how to lose well is as a life skill. The British lost many a battle in WWII, yet they still won the war. They just would not quit!

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07-13-2004, 05:22 AM
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Worf101
07-13-2004, 09:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LuckyBoy1:
Look, I had promised myself when I was a young man, that when I got old I would not rag on the younger crowd about this or that, but I am finding computers are having unintended consequences in life. We are raising a generation that does not have to learn the painfull process of losing well. Play even a simple game of Hearts online and you will see this behavior over and over agin. Why lose when you can just leave?

Think about how important knowing how to lose well is as a life skill. The British lost many a battle in WWII, yet they still won the war. They just would not quit!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I truly have to agree with you. The Russians litterally lost millions of men and many many battles at the start of Barbarossa, but they didn't fold, didn't throw up their hands and take their ball and go home. The shot every round they had then threw the gun at em. My son exhibits this "hate to lose at all cost" attitude as well. I'm slowly "beating it out of him" in cards, Risk, Battleship and other games.

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tsisqua
07-13-2004, 09:50 AM
LuckyBoy, you hit the nail right on the proverbial head.

If I left the server every time that I was in trouble, or losing, I would never play. I get killed ALOT.

Losing well is indeed a life-skill. If you can do that, you won't be losing long. You will make friends that will help you to improve your skill.

Nobody loves a poor loser.

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SeaFireLIV
07-13-2004, 09:58 AM
I must chime in as well! Luckyboy1 is dead right, I too, have noticed this childish `I can`t handle losing so I`ll just quit` mentality -computer failures/lagg are only a small part of people quitting (I`ve seen too many coincidental quits just as they`re about to be shot) - A lot of it is really their FEAR of losing.

A brave man is one who continues though he may lose.

They must learn that in life you cannot just QUIT! Practise that in game.

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NorrisMcWhirter
07-13-2004, 10:00 AM
Hi,

This is a good point.

I imagine that most people leave for benign reasons (bog, more beer, chip pan on fire) or, like me, because my **** dial up connection boots me every few hours.

However, there are people who do it to protect their stats and you quickly get to know who they are because they do it quite often. It's quite sad, really.

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Kaesebrot.
07-13-2004, 10:09 AM
Happened to me 1 time on War_Clouds...

But like many of you guys im not very into score (doesnt mean i dont enjoy a good one *g*), cause i know i took him down http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

F19_Ob
07-13-2004, 11:25 AM
I think both Franzen and Luckyboy are spot on.

My rig hardly support 30 planes in the air offline and if u add large concentrations of groundobjects and flak, then I'll probably get disconnected in the furball over that concentration.......many of us "loosers" cant afford the continuos upgrades on our comps...but we still want a small piece of the cake. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

On the other hand we make the fortunate ones feel so much happier. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

Simjock
07-13-2004, 11:30 AM
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LilHorse
07-13-2004, 11:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
I leave games when its convenient for me, not my opponent. When my fiance needs me to kill a ferocious spider or what-not, I can't tell her "Sorry honey, I'm being shot down. I don't want to deny this ace his glory or precious points.".

Have a drink to losen up before you 'play'. k?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's fine provided you don't have the disco wuss complain afterward. I was in a VWF mission last night where a guy discoed as his plane was being shot down. Then he has the nerve to complain to the host that he didn't get the points for shooting down 4 planes. The host (one of my squadmates) told him he cheated and that's why he didn't get the points. The guy was listed as killed by flak. He didn't like that too much. But that's just so much the wuss attitude as described above.

If you're getting shot down and you have to step away for a moment then why not just step away and let your plane crash? No need to disco unless what takes you away means you're done for awhile.

Monty_Thrud
07-13-2004, 12:08 PM
Would be nice if people could let their planes crash, just remember you maybe being filmed http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Also, a while ago i was killed whilst going into a climb in my Hurricane the usual screen of death came up, now i like to leave the plane to crash because i usually record alot of my online and offline fights, but because of the angle i was killed the plane went on for ages, it must have been five minutes or more...which was fine, gave me chance to make a cup of tea and spark a cigarette up, time to cool down even...which is what maybe a few need to do from the tantrums i've seen online recently.
And totally agree with the sore loser part too...chill peeps, we is here to have fun http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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MEGILE
07-13-2004, 12:13 PM
I must admit I commited this crime today, apologies to the P-47 drive in war clouds.. it was a good fight and you beat me, but while you were on my 6 i got a crash to desktop.. S!

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Yum_Yum
07-13-2004, 01:09 PM
Hello to all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif,

If it's the only kill you could have made on the server and they dissconnect in this way it may be a little disheartening http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. Surely thier are other enimies to choose from and one getting away does not matter if you can shoot so many ?.

To call these players noobs may be insulting and off putting to those wishing to learn the game.

I have not been using the War Clouds server in the past 3 weeks because of lag/connection problems, but I may try it again tonight and see whats new.

I did not realise it was possible to see stats for the war clouds server anyone got a link ?.

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MEGILE
07-13-2004, 03:22 PM
Wassup Yum, long time no see, hows it going bud?

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Next time I see ya Yum, Ill hang with you in warclouds or whatever

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Yum_Yum
07-13-2004, 04:07 PM
Thank you MIGILE http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I will be on wednesday evening 18:30gmt http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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nickdanger3
07-13-2004, 05:32 PM
When it's time to change those diapers, it's ESC and DISCONNECT = YES.

Er, not mine...the baby's.

brimigus
07-13-2004, 09:51 PM
thats the main reason i dont play these cockpit only servers I thought guys were wimping out to but all it takes is a pinch of lagg and gone forever, you never see him again ,plus he was probably just under me but with out icons on ill never see him unless they some serious contrast to pick his speck out.then again theres some really sorry **** boobs out there that cant handle being shot at, so maybe your right. u might want to move over to ubi for a night .trust me theres nuthin better than victimizing a noob for a bout 20 straight kills and have them finally throw in the towell but hey at least theyll try.

Dawg-of-death
07-13-2004, 10:02 PM
Settings on my server are very tight. Maybe to tight. I do get some comeplants. Some times server auto kicks right when you are making the kill..................

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BennyMoore
07-13-2004, 10:07 PM
What on earth is this bollocks I'm hearing about being banned from the Warclouds server for dying three times?

Do these people have huge vegetables up their rear ends? Are they really so snobbish, so stuck up that they believe that only the best should play at their server? Are they really stupid enough to believe that a pilot can avoid being killed if he's good enough?

I ordinarily despise hackers, but at the moment I confess that I'd shake the hand of any hacker who would take down that pathetic server.

Gaz_Lewis
07-13-2004, 10:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> What on earth is this bollocks I'm hearing about being banned from the Warclouds server for dying three times?

Do these people have huge vegetables up their rear ends? Are they really so snobbish, so stuck up that they believe that only the best should play at their server? Are they really stupid enough to believe that a pilot can avoid being killed if he's good enough?

I ordinarily despise hackers, but at the moment I confess that I'd shake the hand of any hacker who would take down that pathetic server.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I like it. I think the idea is that it makes people look after their virtual life, which can only enhance things. I'm sure it's only a short ban is it not?

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JG52Uther
07-14-2004, 01:54 AM
ITs only a 5 minute ban .grow up! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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WUAF_Badsight
07-14-2004, 03:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BennyMoore:
What on earth is this bollocks I'm hearing about being banned from the Warclouds server for dying three times?


I ordinarily despise hackers, but at the moment I confess that I'd shake the hand of any hacker who would take down that pathetic server.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Benny get some info B4 you go off

its a server that boots you out after you suffer 3 pilots killed , not planes but pilots

it makes you fly more seriously

you cannot re-enter this excellent server untill 5 minutes have passed

man you got to hold back from the abuse till you know the full story dude

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XyZspineZyX
07-14-2004, 07:26 AM
Mmmm
regarding lag, bear in mind;
The game says a host maybe able to host (according to the connection flavour) a certain number of players (lets say 32) with a 128kb upload speed 11 is the max before lag occurs. Allow 10k / player and 10 for the objects.
Also the capability of the host machine machine is to be taken into account...it might only be able to effectively handle 8.
If for instance say the host is set for cable and all other players are on 14k/ various, the pings will ride up and down like crazy, 200 -3000, making the game unplayable. If all the players are NOT on the same speed (for instance 9.6) this will cause lag and X winging as well.
As well as the usual suspect of one player having a very high ping due to distance/ ISP, causing frumps on players faces.
Turn AV off as it will scan everything that comes in, slowing things down.
A firewall that has 'program access control' should stop any nasties a malicious host might throw in, if that could be done that is.

Fehler
07-14-2004, 07:49 AM
A famous person once said, "You should judge a man by the way he handles failure, not by the way he handles success." Or something close to that...

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swortsoul
07-14-2004, 08:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vagueout:

If for instance say the host is set for cable and all other players are on 14k/ various, the pings will ride up and down like crazy, 200 -3000, making the game unplayable. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Vagueout, or anyone else... I've decided to get shot down on the WarClouds server recently. It has that message that says something like "set netspeed to 9000". Anyone know how to do that?

That must be there for the reasons you mentioned.

Thanks
Tim

SeaFireLIV
07-14-2004, 08:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BennyMoore:
What on earth is this bollocks I'm hearing about being banned from the Warclouds server for dying three times?

Do these people have huge vegetables up their rear ends? Are they really so snobbish, so stuck up that they believe that only the best should play at their server? Are they really stupid enough to believe that a pilot can avoid being killed if he's good enough?

I ordinarily despise hackers, but at the moment I confess that I'd shake the hand of any hacker who would take down that pathetic server.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are incredibly and totally off the mark there, bennymoore. Like WUAF_Badsight says, check your info before you shout, you`ll just get egg on your face. Better still try flying the server and become wise...

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LilHorse
07-14-2004, 09:08 AM
Some ppl are a little baffled by the idea of the deathkick. I think in some other thread bennymoore said he only flies on UBI. I don't know if there's anything like it there (I only fly HL). Hell, he should fly coops and online wars. Get shot down, PK'd, bale out, belly in and you're done. Gotta wait for the next one to start.

BennyMoore
07-14-2004, 10:37 PM
Sorry... You're right, of course.

Still, I do have a problem even with a five minute ban for these two reasons.

Firstly, a kick, or any sort of a disconnect, from a dedicated server is the same as a one day ban for me and anyone in my house. It has something to do with my firewall, I think.

Secondly, do you have any idea how many times I have bailed successfully, only to be shot down inescapably by flak? In many situations in the game, it is completely impossible to survive being shot down.

Several times, I have been shot up by flak from a huge distance, then landed, gradually braking to a stop - until I got blown off the ground by artillery.

It doesn't seem fair to have a one day ban for getting your pilot killed. Remember, disconnecting from a dedicated server for any reason means that I cannot rejoin at all that day.

Still, you are right about me getting all wound up over a five minute ban. I should have asked for more information before posting my feelings. I do apologize.

In fact, if it weren't for my unique disconnection situation, I'd say that it's a splendid idea. My brother and sister both refuse to ever bail out or save their pilot from death in any way, prefering for some bizarre reason to "ride it out." Their reason? "It's just a game." Well, it's more than that to me. And I want my pilot to survive at any cost. Something like this would give them a reason to follow my example. Hard Mile Drive does, but to a lesser extent.

WUAF_Badsight
07-14-2004, 10:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by swortsoul:


Hey Vagueout, or anyone else... I've decided to get shot down on the WarClouds server recently. It has that message that says something like "set netspeed to 9000". Anyone know how to do that?

That must be there for the reasons you mentioned.

Thanks
Tim<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


open the chat in-game by pressing `

then type : &gt;set netspeed 8000

this speed is ISDN & is what warclouds server is running at

by synching you will be sending the same size data packet that the server is sending you

this irons out warp even more than just by having a low ping

EVERY SINGLE GAME YOU JOIN YOU SHOUD ALSO SET TO THE HOSTS NETWORK SPEED FOR MINIMUM WARP POSSIBLE

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WUAF_Badsight
07-14-2004, 10:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BennyMoore:
Sorry... You're right, of course.

Still, I do have a problem even with a five minute ban for these two reasons.

Firstly, a kick, or any sort of a disconnect, from a dedicated server is the same as a one day ban for me and anyone in my house. It has something to do with my firewall, I think.

Secondly, do you have any idea how many times I have bailed successfully, only to be shot down inescapably by flak? In many situations in the game, it is completely impossible to survive being shot down.

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1) lucky for you most hosts dont do that then isnt it

2) dont fly close to flak

fly safe

fly realistic

show respect for your digital bits holding your plane together

run for home as soon as your hit , bla bla bla bla

its a way of FORCING people to fly realistic rather than the endless " fly till im dead " mentality that cockpit off & externals view DFing breeds

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