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JG7_Rall
07-29-2004, 12:44 PM
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I would like to start flying this fighter more but am wondering how all the experts think the best way to fly it is. The last time I flew it was pre patch and if I remember correctly it was good in many fields but didn't shine in many...so what are the best tactics for this bird? Thanks in advance

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JG7_Rall
07-29-2004, 12:44 PM
S!

I would like to start flying this fighter more but am wondering how all the experts think the best way to fly it is. The last time I flew it was pre patch and if I remember correctly it was good in many fields but didn't shine in many...so what are the best tactics for this bird? Thanks in advance

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BBB_Hyperion
07-29-2004, 02:22 PM
Well its almost useless without alt advantage cause of the spits .)

BTW a typical GD Topic this is ORR . Not sure what the difference is but there is one.

High Ground is not only more agreeable and salubrious, but more convenient from a military point of view; low ground is not only damp and unhealthy, but also disadvantageous for fighting.

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Regards,
Hyperion

JG7_Rall
07-29-2004, 05:53 PM
Sorry for posting in the wrong room, I had both up and I guess I clicked the wrong page http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Yeah, I don't seem to have too much trouble with any other planes except the Spits...they don't overheat and are very hard to make bleed off their E. Should I just stick to pure BnZ and run when things don't look good when I see them? Thanks a bunch- I don't have too much time in this plane so any tips are appreciated.

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ASM 1
07-29-2004, 06:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG7_Rall:
Sorry for posting in the wrong room, I had both up and I guess I clicked the wrong page http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
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No Probs http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Yeah, I don't seem to have too much trouble with any other planes except the Spits...they don't overheat and are very hard to make bleed off their E. Should I just stick to pure BnZ and run when things don't look good when I see them? Thanks a bunch- I don't have too much time in this plane so any tips are appreciated.
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Stay High, go fast and shoot to kill.... the spits wont touch you if you are quick enough... in BAM! out - BnZ all the way http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



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Von_Rat
07-29-2004, 07:08 PM
yep what they said,,,, only times spits give me trouble at medium to low alt is when i do somthing stupid, which oddly enuff happens quite often,lol. you can fight low down but keep your speed way up, 400 to 500 kph and make gentle turns. it holds e fairly well if you only make gentle turns. when you start to slow down its time to get out of dodge.

at hi alt spits can be pain in the rear, because they are so fast up at 9000m+ . the ta only has a 10kph IAS advantage, with rads open. which on the ta you better have open or bye bye engine real soon. in other threads i believe they are discussing whether the spit9 is to fast up there. i believe the consensus is that it is.

BfHeFwMe
07-29-2004, 08:01 PM
With a Jug on your butt, you aren't going to run away at any altitude. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

WUAF_Badsight
07-30-2004, 12:43 AM
why not ?

at ALT the TA is faster than the Thunderbolt

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dadada1
07-30-2004, 02:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BfHeFwMe:
With a Jug on your butt, you aren't going to run away at any altitude. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

MMMM in REAL LIFE lets compare top speeds, Jug around 427mph, Ta 152 H1 472mph @ best rated altitudes, you were saying!

Maple_Tiger
07-30-2004, 07:08 AM
But if we had the P-47M, you wouldn't be going anywhere but in the ground lol.

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robban75
07-30-2004, 07:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maple_Tiger:
But if we had the P-47M, you wouldn't be going anywhere but in the ground lol.

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The Ta 152 would have a worthy opponent in the P-47M, With their topspeeds being quite similar I believe the only thing the M would have against the Ta 152H would be in divespeed. On manouverability and turnability, the Ta should have a decisive edge at any altitude. In the end, the better high alt fighter would no doubt be the Ta 152H.

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Oberleutnant Oskar-Walter Romm thoughts on his aircraft.

"I found the Fw 190D-9 to be greatly superior to those of my opponents. During dogfights at altitudes of between about 10,000 and 24,000ft, usual when meeting the Russians, I found that I could pull the D-9 into a tight turn and still retain my speed advantage. In the descent the Dora-9 picked up speed much more rapidly than the A type; in the dive it could leave the Russian Yak-3 and Yak-9 fighters standing."

p1ngu666
07-30-2004, 07:54 AM
hmm, ta probably has advantage, but im not sure.
besides, u haveto hurl the p47 around the sky, much like when u use il2 in dogfight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif
less hurling is needed since new patch btw http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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dadada1
07-30-2004, 08:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maple_Tiger:
But if we had the P-47M, you wouldn't be going anywhere but in the ground lol.

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If you could drag that big whale of a thing up to high altitude, we might just see about that.

JG7_Rall
07-30-2004, 10:09 AM
P 47M and Ta would definatly be an awesome matchup.

Thanks for the replies guys, 152 seems fun but I miss my dora http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

And about the 152-I saw that on netwings the C1 model is finished by Harti! I think all that's left is the winter skin, but this was posted a while ago so that maybe could be done by now too. I wonder if Oleg as all the stuff in yet? I would love to fly this bird as well as a D11 or 13. Hint hint http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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JG7_Rall
07-30-2004, 10:12 AM
Oh btw a few technical questions about the 152...

Should rads be left open all the time? It seems to overheat really fast....is 6 or 8 safe for combat or is just open a better bet?

When I select 50 fuel it reads 100 and when i select 25 fuel the guage reads 50...is this a bug or is the gas pumper on drugs? Thanks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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p1ngu666
07-30-2004, 10:33 AM
maybe fuel guage is like russian, or the fuel was drained from the wing tanks to the main and i dunno http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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ASH at S-MART
07-30-2004, 10:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG7_Rall:
S!

I would like to start flying this fighter more but am wondering how all the experts think the best way to fly it is. The last time I flew it was pre patch and if I remember correctly it was good in many fields but didn't shine in many...so what are the best tactics for this bird? Thanks in advance

_"Son, never ask a man if he is a fighter pilot. If he is, he'll let you know. If he isn't, don't embarrass him."_
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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Oh Ta jocks.. I thought you said T an A jocks.. my bad

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dadada1
07-30-2004, 12:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG7_Rall:
Oh btw a few technical questions about the 152...

Should rads be left open all the time? It seems to overheat really fast....is 6 or 8 safe for combat or is just open a better bet?

When I select 50 fuel it reads 100 and when i select 25 fuel the guage reads 50...is this a bug or is the gas pumper on drugs? Thanks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

_"Son, never ask a man if he is a fighter pilot. If he is, he'll let you know. If he isn't, don't embarrass him."_
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I usually fly with Rads set to position 4 for combat, but I am careful not to use over 100% power too much, just in case I need sustained escape. Its important to try and get as much air to the engine as possible, open rads fully when diving then close them when you need speed, but watch out.

pingu's correct, the wing tanks drain first before the gauge will start to go down.

robban75
07-31-2004, 04:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG7_Rall:
And about the 152-I saw that on netwings the C1 model is finished by Harti! I think all that's left is the winter skin, but this was posted a while ago so that maybe could be done by now too.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I saw this model long ago and it seems that Harti didn't listen to what others had to say about it. I'm sure he's put down alot of work into this model and it sure resembles a Ta 152C, but the 3D model has alot of errors on it I'm afraid.

First, the wings are much too square, the intake for the supercharger doesn't look like anything that has ever flown on a Fw 190 let alone Ta 152. The ailerons are much too small and the bulge on the left side of the cowling is placed much too far aft. The spinner is too long. The Ta 152's equipped with the DB 603 had a shorter spinner than the Jumo equipped variants. The model still retains the fat canopy for the "pressurised" 152H, the C had a canopy very much similar to that of the Fw 190D. The MG 151's in the cowling are also mounted too far aft. The MG 151's were quite a bit longer than what would be the case in the model.

I hate to be a spoil sport, but as a hardcore modelbuilder, I can't help but to stare at all these errors. Since everything else on the model looks great, it's too bad Harti couldn't see these errors and correct them, especially since people mentioned this from the beginning.

Perhaps it's not too late? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

He's done a great job nontheless!

Sorry for being so picky and harsh! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Oberleutnant Oskar-Walter Romm thoughts on his aircraft.

"I found the Fw 190D-9 to be greatly superior to those of my opponents. During dogfights at altitudes of between about 10,000 and 24,000ft, usual when meeting the Russians, I found that I could pull the D-9 into a tight turn and still retain my speed advantage. In the descent the Dora-9 picked up speed much more rapidly than the A type; in the dive it could leave the Russian Yak-3 and Yak-9 fighters standing."

p1ngu666
07-31-2004, 05:39 AM
i havent seen any pics of that for AGES actully

btw flew a qmb for 2x jug (me) and 4 ta152 and 4 190A9.
shot em all down http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
alt 10,000
be entirely different if human pilots tho http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

and wow at me being right, thats a rare accunence http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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JG7_Rall
07-31-2004, 11:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG7_Rall:
And about the 152-I saw that on netwings the C1 model is finished by Harti! I think all that's left is the winter skin, but this was posted a while ago so that maybe could be done by now too.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I saw this model long ago and it seems that Harti didn't listen to what others had to say about it. I'm sure he's put down alot of work into this model and it sure resembles a Ta 152C, but the 3D model has alot of errors on it I'm afraid.

First, the wings are much too square, the intake for the supercharger doesn't look like anything that has ever flown on a Fw 190 let alone Ta 152. The ailerons are much too small and the bulge on the left side of the cowling is placed much too far aft. The spinner is too long. The Ta 152's equipped with the DB 603 had a shorter spinner than the Jumo equipped variants. The model still retains the fat canopy for the "pressurised" 152H, the C had a canopy very much similar to that of the Fw 190D. The MG 151's in the cowling are also mounted too far aft. The MG 151's were quite a bit longer than what would be the case in the model.

I hate to be a spoil sport, but as a hardcore modelbuilder, I can't help but to stare at all these errors. Since everything else on the model looks great, it's too bad Harti couldn't see these errors and correct them, especially since people mentioned this from the beginning.

Perhaps it's not too late? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

He's done a great job nontheless!

Sorry for being so picky and harsh! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

http://members.chello.se/unni/D-9.JPG

Oberleutnant Oskar-Walter Romm thoughts on his aircraft.

"I found the Fw 190D-9 to be greatly superior to those of my opponents. During dogfights at altitudes of between about 10,000 and 24,000ft, usual when meeting the Russians, I found that I could pull the D-9 into a tight turn and still retain my speed advantage. In the descent the Dora-9 picked up speed much more rapidly than the A type; in the dive it could leave the Russian Yak-3 and Yak-9 fighters standing."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No worries, I'm the same way-I'd rather have it be as close to perfect as it can be and not have a sloppy model in the game. Not to say it is sloppy or anything, I'm sure he put a lot of effort into it, but just as an example. It's too bad, this bird is dead sexy and I would love to see as many of Mr. Tank's masterpeices in this game as humanly possible.

Do you think harti would consider giving what he's done to another modeler to polish up? Or maybe if Oleg slaps his wrist he'll fix it? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'm worried we'll run out of time before we see it in game http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

For everyone else, here's the netwings thread with pictures:
http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/1020.html

And I have another question. In real life, what was the purpose of the 152 C? It seems like an H that was built to not go quite as high, but couldn't the dora do this job? Besides armament, what are the main differences between the C-0 and C-1 and the D 9-13?

Thanks

Hutch

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Badges!? We don't needs no stinkin' badges!

dadada1
07-31-2004, 11:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG7_Rall:
And about the 152-I saw that on netwings the C1 model is finished by Harti! I think all that's left is the winter skin, but this was posted a while ago so that maybe could be done by now too.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I saw this model long ago and it seems that Harti didn't listen to what others had to say about it. I'm sure he's put down alot of work into this model and it sure resembles a Ta 152C, but the 3D model has alot of errors on it I'm afraid.

First, the wings are much too square, the intake for the supercharger doesn't look like anything that has ever flown on a Fw 190 let alone Ta 152. The ailerons are much too small and the bulge on the left side of the cowling is placed much too far aft. The spinner is too long. The Ta 152's equipped with the DB 603 had a shorter spinner than the Jumo equipped variants. The model still retains the fat canopy for the "pressurised" 152H, the C had a canopy very much similar to that of the Fw 190D. The MG 151's in the cowling are also mounted too far aft. The MG 151's were quite a bit longer than what would be the case in the model.

I hate to be a spoil sport, but as a hardcore modelbuilder, I can't help but to stare at all these errors. Since everything else on the model looks great, it's too bad Harti couldn't see these errors and correct them, especially since people mentioned this from the beginning.

Perhaps it's not too late? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

He's done a great job nontheless!

Sorry for being so picky and harsh! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

http://members.chello.se/unni/D-9.JPG

Oberleutnant Oskar-Walter Romm thoughts on his aircraft.

"I found the Fw 190D-9 to be greatly superior to those of my opponents. During dogfights at altitudes of between about 10,000 and 24,000ft, usual when meeting the Russians, I found that I could pull the D-9 into a tight turn and still retain my speed advantage. In the descent the Dora-9 picked up speed much more rapidly than the A type; in the dive it could leave the Russian Yak-3 and Yak-9 fighters standing."

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Oh dear ! I don't think I've seen Harti's C1, but I'm not going to complain. I wish he'd done the D13 instead though, it would have been an easier task just changing minor things on the D9 and give the FW 190 performance that luft fans really want. I'll be glad when we have dedicated flight models for the H1 and C1. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

JG7_Rall
07-31-2004, 05:00 PM
Check my last post for the C1 pics http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I would have preferred a D13 as well, but I'm still looking forward to this bird http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

S!

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dadada1
08-01-2004, 02:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG7_Rall:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG7_Rall:
And about the 152-I saw that on netwings the C1 model is finished by Harti! I think all that's left is the winter skin, but this was posted a while ago so that maybe could be done by now too.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I saw this model long ago and it seems that Harti didn't listen to what others had to say about it. I'm sure he's put down alot of work into this model and it sure resembles a Ta 152C, but the 3D model has alot of errors on it I'm afraid.

First, the wings are much too square, the intake for the supercharger doesn't look like anything that has ever flown on a Fw 190 let alone Ta 152. The ailerons are much too small and the bulge on the left side of the cowling is placed much too far aft. The spinner is too long. The Ta 152's equipped with the DB 603 had a shorter spinner than the Jumo equipped variants. The model still retains the fat canopy for the "pressurised" 152H, the C had a canopy very much similar to that of the Fw 190D. The MG 151's in the cowling are also mounted too far aft. The MG 151's were quite a bit longer than what would be the case in the model.

I hate to be a spoil sport, but as a hardcore modelbuilder, I can't help but to stare at all these errors. Since everything else on the model looks great, it's too bad Harti couldn't see these errors and correct them, especially since people mentioned this from the beginning.

Perhaps it's not too late? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

He's done a great job nontheless!

Sorry for being so picky and harsh! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

http://members.chello.se/unni/D-9.JPG

Oberleutnant Oskar-Walter Romm thoughts on his aircraft.

"I found the Fw 190D-9 to be greatly superior to those of my opponents. During dogfights at altitudes of between about 10,000 and 24,000ft, usual when meeting the Russians, I found that I could pull the D-9 into a tight turn and still retain my speed advantage. In the descent the Dora-9 picked up speed much more rapidly than the A type; in the dive it could leave the Russian Yak-3 and Yak-9 fighters standing."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No worries, I'm the same way-I'd rather have it be as close to perfect as it can be and not have a sloppy model in the game. Not to say it is sloppy or anything, I'm sure he put a lot of effort into it, but just as an example. It's too bad, this bird is dead sexy and I would love to see as many of Mr. Tank's masterpeices in this game as humanly possible.

Do you think harti would consider giving what he's done to another modeler to polish up? Or maybe if Oleg slaps his wrist he'll fix it? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'm worried we'll run out of time before we see it in game http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

For everyone else, here's the netwings thread with pictures:
http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/1020.html

And I have another question. In real life, what was the purpose of the 152 C? It seems like an H that was built to not go quite as high, but couldn't the dora do this job? Besides armament, what are the main differences between the C-0 and C-1 and the D 9-13?

Thanks

Hutch

_"Son, never ask a man if he is a fighter pilot. If he is, he'll let you know. If he isn't, don't embarrass him."_
Badges!? We don't needs no stinkin' badges!
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So what robban says is true, oh well.

The Ta 152 was intended as a fighter bomber rather then a pure fighter varient, something that seems is always overlooked. The C1's armament consisted of 2 Mg 151 guns in upper fuselage carrying 150 rounds per gun, 2 Mg151 guns in the wing roots with 175 rounds per gun, and 1 Mk 108 firing through the Spinner with 90 rounds. Heavy armament indeed, it would have been very effective against enemy bombers. The C's also had DB603 engines (LA with MW50, L with supercharger intercooler) instead of the Jumo 213 engines. There was also a possible developement for the C to carry a torpedo.

Differences between D9 and D13. With the D13 exterior the main difference was the omission of the cowling Mg 131 machine guns. Main armament consisted of 3 Mg 151s, one firing through the prop spinner. D13 was really high altitude fighter, inlike the D9, the real difference was the Jumo 213 F engine that gave the D13 similar perdormance to the D9 below 3000m but superior performance above that. Maximum speed for the D13 in my book is 738KPH which converts to between 450-460mph.

dadada1
08-01-2004, 02:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dadada1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG7_Rall:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JG7_Rall:
And about the 152-I saw that on netwings the C1 model is finished by Harti! I think all that's left is the winter skin, but this was posted a while ago so that maybe could be done by now too.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I saw this model long ago and it seems that Harti didn't listen to what others had to say about it. I'm sure he's put down alot of work into this model and it sure resembles a Ta 152C, but the 3D model has alot of errors on it I'm afraid.

First, the wings are much too square, the intake for the supercharger doesn't look like anything that has ever flown on a Fw 190 let alone Ta 152. The ailerons are much too small and the bulge on the left side of the cowling is placed much too far aft. The spinner is too long. The Ta 152's equipped with the DB 603 had a shorter spinner than the Jumo equipped variants. The model still retains the fat canopy for the "pressurised" 152H, the C had a canopy very much similar to that of the Fw 190D. The MG 151's in the cowling are also mounted too far aft. The MG 151's were quite a bit longer than what would be the case in the model.

I hate to be a spoil sport, but as a hardcore modelbuilder, I can't help but to stare at all these errors. Since everything else on the model looks great, it's too bad Harti couldn't see these errors and correct them, especially since people mentioned this from the beginning.

Perhaps it's not too late? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

He's done a great job nontheless!

Sorry for being so picky and harsh! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

http://members.chello.se/unni/D-9.JPG

Oberleutnant Oskar-Walter Romm thoughts on his aircraft.

"I found the Fw 190D-9 to be greatly superior to those of my opponents. During dogfights at altitudes of between about 10,000 and 24,000ft, usual when meeting the Russians, I found that I could pull the D-9 into a tight turn and still retain my speed advantage. In the descent the Dora-9 picked up speed much more rapidly than the A type; in the dive it could leave the Russian Yak-3 and Yak-9 fighters standing."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No worries, I'm the same way-I'd rather have it be as close to perfect as it can be and not have a sloppy model in the game. Not to say it is sloppy or anything, I'm sure he put a lot of effort into it, but just as an example. It's too bad, this bird is dead sexy and I would love to see as many of Mr. Tank's masterpeices in this game as humanly possible.

Do you think harti would consider giving what he's done to another modeler to polish up? Or maybe if Oleg slaps his wrist he'll fix it? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'm worried we'll run out of time before we see it in game http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

For everyone else, here's the netwings thread with pictures:
http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/1020.html

And I have another question. In real life, what was the purpose of the 152 C? It seems like an H that was built to not go quite as high, but couldn't the dora do this job? Besides armament, what are the main differences between the C-0 and C-1 and the D 9-13?

Thanks

Hutch

_"Son, never ask a man if he is a fighter pilot. If he is, he'll let you know. If he isn't, don't embarrass him."_
Badges!? We don't needs no stinkin' badges!
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So what robban says is true, oh well.

The Ta 152 was intended as a fighter bomber rather then a pure fighter varient, something that seems is always overlooked. The C1's armament consisted of 2 Mg 151 guns in upper fuselage carrying 150 rounds per gun, 2 Mg151 guns in the wing roots with 175 rounds per gun, and 1 Mk 108 firing through the Spinner with 90 rounds. Heavy armament indeed, it would have been very effective against enemy bombers. The C's also had DB603 engines (LA with MW50, L with supercharger intercooler) instead of the Jumo 213 engines. There was also a possible developement for the C to carry a torpedo.

Differences between D9 and D13. With the D13 exterior the main difference was the omission of the cowling Mg 131 machine guns. Main armament consisted of 3 Mg 151s, one firing through the prop spinner. D13 was really high altitude fighter, unlike the D9. The real difference was the Jumo 213 F engine that gave the D13 similar performance to the D9 below 3000m but superior performance above that. Maximum speed for the D13 in my book is 738KPH which converts to between 450-460mph.

robban75
08-01-2004, 04:23 AM
There were 3 prototypes of the Ta 152C. V6, V7 and V8. The V6 and V7 can be seen in the Ta 152 book by Dietmar Herrman. The V6 had a DB 603E engine and the V7 had an DB 603L engine. The V7 also had an R-11 all weather kit. The V8 was equipped with a Revi EZ-42 gyro gunsight, and was the prototype for the C-1 version.
The fastest of these three versions was the V7. It could reach over 750km/h at alt. I have no numbers on it SL topspeed but I guess it is quite similar to the V6 version which is 617km/h. The C was a heavy bomber destroyer. But like the Mustang alot of the weight was from its huge internal fuel capacity. The Ta 152H was still lighter as it lacked the armament of the C. More powerful engines was planned on being used in the H and C. But as the war was about to end they were never fitted and tested.

The Ta 152 production was halted very late in the war in order to focus mainly on the Fw 190D-12/13. Had the war not ended, these versions was to have been equipped with the Jumo 213EB engine in June '45. It would boost their topspeeds to 770km/h at 9500m! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://members.chello.se/unni/D-9.JPG

Oberleutnant Oskar-Walter Romm thoughts on his aircraft.

"I found the Fw 190D-9 to be greatly superior to those of my opponents. During dogfights at altitudes of between about 10,000 and 24,000ft, usual when meeting the Russians, I found that I could pull the D-9 into a tight turn and still retain my speed advantage. In the descent the Dora-9 picked up speed much more rapidly than the A type; in the dive it could leave the Russian Yak-3 and Yak-9 fighters standing."