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rick_475
02-23-2004, 01:23 PM
I was reading some features about the joystick on Saitek website and I noticed that there's no forcefeedback on it. Looks like there's no "twist handle" either. Apparently, they put the rudder on the throttle with a slider(!?) and 2 wheel buttons(?!), is that it?

Without force feedback and twist handle on the joystick, I can't see why so many people love it... What joystick do you think I should buy if I want a throttle + joystick and force feedback?

Thanks

[This message was edited by rick_475 on Mon February 23 2004 at 01:00 PM.]

rick_475
02-23-2004, 01:23 PM
I was reading some features about the joystick on Saitek website and I noticed that there's no forcefeedback on it. Looks like there's no "twist handle" either. Apparently, they put the rudder on the throttle with a slider(!?) and 2 wheel buttons(?!), is that it?

Without force feedback and twist handle on the joystick, I can't see why so many people love it... What joystick do you think I should buy if I want a throttle + joystick and force feedback?

Thanks

[This message was edited by rick_475 on Mon February 23 2004 at 01:00 PM.]

aerick2
02-23-2004, 02:51 PM
Putting the rudder on the throttle is pretty much standard I believe. I think it's a fine system. The rudder control is a rocker switch underneath that you control with your fingertips. The strengths of the stick (construction, ergonomics, huge number of programmable buttons, etc) far outweigh the lack of force feedback in my opinion.

Chuck_Older
02-23-2004, 03:04 PM
The twist handle rudder....*shiver*....I can't stand it. If I'm in flight, and I am hard over to port on the stick, pulling back, and I want to apply right rudder...my wrist kinda doesn't turn that way http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I can't make that kind of compromise, where manuevers are restricted, no way. The rocker rudder (I have an X45 and LOVE it) took a while to get used to, maybe 2 or three hours worth of play, but now it is second nature and I don't even think of it anymore.

I am not sold on FF. I had a steering wheel/pedal setup when I was heavily into Grand Prix Legends (still a fantastic sim) that had FF and I found it annoying in the extreme. Maybe in a filght sim it actually conveys useful info, but I am very soured on the whole thing.


...maybe I could make my old steering wheel pedals into rudder pedals http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Can't be too much trouble to make new pedal pads, wire up the pedals to the rocker rudder on the X45. Hmmmm. I could use what for the pedals...maybe a pair of those big silly Goofy Foot gas pedals. That would be funny http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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rick_475
02-23-2004, 07:24 PM
My big concern about the Saitek x45 is the missing force feedback. I flew a couple of times with my joystick without force feedback and it's kinda boring, there's no feeling. Do you have settings on the Saitek x45 that would simulate force feedback? Per exemple, if I turn at 450 km/h are the controls very sensible or very stiff?

Anyway, I can't imagine myself playing a sim with the quality of FB without force feedback.

Avi8or
02-24-2004, 12:50 AM
I have x-45, and stick don't have any forcefeedback. I personally didn't like the stick itself, (throttle is perfect) it has centering problem for me so I bought Topgun afterburnerII stick and throttle, using only the stick, as well as X-45 throttle, and its great, the spring tension is perfect, it centers perfectly.
If you really want ffb HOTAS setup maybe you should consider Topgun ABII with FFB. But it doesn't have many buttons as X-45.

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Franzen
02-24-2004, 07:35 AM
I just bought the X45 lastnight. I hate it for 3 main reasons. First, it's much too small for my hands. Second, the hat quality is poor. Third, the rudder controls are nearly impossible to use but that could be because of the size problems. But, use the left hand control and the stick you are used to(3D Gold for me)you will be very happy I think. I've only used the twist stick z-axis so that's what I'm used to.

Fritz

GAU-8
02-24-2004, 11:24 AM
ugh..we need a sticky up top about controllers in general. i tried this once..but nobody really used it..

ok.. for ANY x-45 user who says the stick is too small for them

1.look at pinky trigger.

2.grab pinkie trigger.

3.push UP and TOWARDS the knuckle guard.

4.it wont break.. i promise ya.

5. keep pushing.....

6.POP

7. leaves a perfect "U" groove for the pinky.

now all men with "hands like steak" can fit thier meaty paws into the taiwan stick

FalcoNg
02-24-2004, 03:41 PM
do yourself a favor and get a MSFF2. This joystick is complete crap. Awkward to use, rudder sucks, and its a complete ***** to program it. Also it doesnt come with any suctions cups so it will be sliding around all over your desk. If you dont belive me compare the resale value of this ****ty joystick to that of the MSFF2

GAU-8
02-25-2004, 02:11 AM
1.looks plastic... not fresh pooh..

2. awkward to you... what did you have before this..that may be why... where you used to a feed back or twist stick?.

3. many people like the rocker rudder. ( i am one of the few that hate "twistie stick rudders) whats funny is youll see twisty stick types say "rocker rudder is unrealistic... oh.. as compared to "realistic twisty stick actions??" lol..both are unealistic..and go about it in defferent ways

4. learn to program it ... after you LEARN it.. its eazy to program

5.god forbid..... i have to go to a home/office shop to get suction cups... ive made worse trips in life. but..even when i didnt have cups for it.. neither base ever left the surface of table..... finesse ?? smooth action??? maybe

6.if your going to bash something..... do it with style, like.....make statements this way "i dont like it becuase of" (insert example here... maybe personal issue with it)


heres a good way

the saitek X-45 is a good place to start for a FULL system HOTAS... what you lose in total durability you make up with good programability, ease of use, not having to use the keyboard anymore (in most cases) massive configuration ability, and the oh so needed "i have big hands" removable pinkie trigger /cover

is it perfect.. no, but if your interested in one. please go to a local computer store that stocks it.. and ask for a demo, that way, you can tell if its for you BEFORE you bought it.

cheers

GAU

Bearcat99
02-25-2004, 05:38 AM
I use an X45/MSFFB2 combo...the best of both worlds. I suggest you get the X45. Try to get a efurbed one here.. http://store.yahoo.com/saitekusa/recprod.html for $39. It is a good stick. I use the MSFFB for my main flight stick and just use the X45 for a button bay. You can do the same thing. I have had mine now for some time with no problems. The software is not hard to use unless you just cant follow instructions well.... like I did in the beginning..... once I re read them I go things going fine. The thing about the X45 that makes it so good is that for the price it cant be beat. If you use it in conjuntion with another stick, one that has a ywist rudder, you can assign your rudder control to either the twist handle or the rocker arm.

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maxim26
02-25-2004, 07:44 AM
I'm using X45 for about a month. First time I saw it in the store I didn't like it. May be because of thet safe cap on the launch button and the guard that makes it look like a kid's toy.

But I really wanted a throttle so i decided to buy it. Now I love that stick and I can forgive that stupid pinkie switch that i press all the time accedentaly so I was forced to disable it.

Throttle is perfect. I like the way I looks and feels. Rocker rudder control is much more realistic that twist handle and you get used to it very fast. Mouse emulation and two rotaries are very handy in modern jet sim Lock On, where I assigned it for antena elevation and target designator. In IL2 you can use rotaries for pitch, or flaps control, that brings more realism into the game. The friction of the throttle is adjustable.

I stick is almost perfect, if not to consider ergonomic problem with pinkie switch. Ther strength of the spring is perfect. Stick has much bigger range of motion then Logitech stick I used before and it makes controlls more precise.

I herd many people complaining that stick is too big and they can't rich the hat switch, lol. And today firs time I saw complaing that stick is too small. I think is that this stick has perfect size for the adult male. Anyway manufacture cant offer the product in the veriaty of sizes.

Programming not problem at all, everything works great. You just need to read manual first and follow instructions.

I would highly reccomend this HOTAS, even over Cougar of CH products, which are more pricy.

Franzen
02-26-2004, 09:38 AM
Hey Guys,
Just bought a new 3D Gold and use it with the X45. It's great. I use only the left hand control with the X45 stick sitting where it belongs, behind the monitor. If you are using XP just plug them both in, calibrate, setup the controls in FB, then fly. What a nice combo, works well. Anyways, good luck. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz