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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 03:47 AM
I have a new rig coming in about a week. I am looking to get a good new monitor that would be compatible with this setup. Any positive suggestions are welcome. Thanks.

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Message Edited on 09/19/0307:47PM by UCLANUPE

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 03:47 AM
I have a new rig coming in about a week. I am looking to get a good new monitor that would be compatible with this setup. Any positive suggestions are welcome. Thanks.

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Message Edited on 09/19/0307:47PM by UCLANUPE

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 04:10 AM
Your monitor should definitely be the most expensive part of your computer.

Me, I upgraded from a 17inch curved NEC monitor to a 21" Sony Sony G520P (the P is important, the case looks alot nicer than the non-P version ... both cost the same)

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This monitor is so sweet. Compared to a 17" monitor, it's like permanent zoom view. Cost is $600-700. Check out Newegg, that has the cheapest price on pricewatch (I got mine form Newegg like 10 months ago) They are mentioning a $100 rebate too.

As with all flat screen CRT's, (televisions included) the geometry will not be 100% perfect (some straight lines will be slightly curved. But this is no biggie.

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 04:41 AM
eucalyptus you missed the boat by a couple weeks. they are releasing a new 3.2 pentium for gamers...four times the cache of the one your getting and much faster for games all around. check up on it. your already behind the times if you buy that rig.

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 05:03 AM
RedDeth wrote:
- eucalyptus you missed the boat by a couple weeks.
- they are releasing a new 3.2 pentium for
- gamers...four times the cache of the one your
- getting and much faster for games all around. check
- up on it. your already behind the times if you buy
- that rig.


Not really, they have alreadty published reviews, and the performance was minimal, and still worse than the athalon64. It's just a desperation move by Intel, and all that cache means there has to be considerably more cooling.

http://www.anandtech.com/news/shownews.html?i=20536

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Message Edited on 09/20/0312:13AM by RayBanJockey

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 06:23 AM
I'm really happy with the new 16 millisecond refresh 17" 1280 res LCD's. I have both the Planar PX171 and the Hitachi CML174 and both are excellent. Absolutely no ghosting, and incredibly vivid colors.

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 06:26 AM
Thanks RBJ & Dog. I will check into those monitors.



Message Edited on 09/19/0310:27PM by UCLANUPE

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 06:28 AM
Death- You are obviously having a bad day and I am sorry for that. Why not just go have a pint mate, that will help you cheer up. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



Message Edited on 09/19/0310:29PM by UCLANUPE

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 07:54 AM
Yes don't fall for those nice LCD monitors that they are trying to move off the shelves. They just don't cut it when it comes down to graphics. Any true GAMER will agree with me on this issue. LCD's are pretty, have great, contrast ability yet do not make the grade when it comes to speed. Many are frustrated with performance on how the the picture does not match the speed of the game.
Get a high quality, flat screen CRT. (dpi average in screen sizes over 21 in.with nothing more than 22' horizontal 25" vertical) And save yourself $$$ in the long run.

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 08:04 AM
The biggest problem with LCD monitors (to me) is their fixed resolution.

I like to change my resolution to fit my PC's performance for specific games. I play Ghost Recon at 1600x1200, but IL2/FB at 1152x864, and Star wars Glaxies at 1280x960.

I also change my resolution at other times like to view certain images.



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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 10:33 AM
Dacripler, 20 ms and below LCD screens are the equal of CRT screens for crisp clear games with no ghosting now, things have changed drastically on the lcd front. As for Rayban's mentioning of native resolution preference of monitors, yes this may be something that affects you. Generally I play all games at the monitors native 1280x 1024 res or play them in a window at whatever res I want under that. Sturmovik I play at 1280x800 for more of a widescreen aspect, and I can still see my irc and voice comm windows underneath to quickly alt tab out if nescessary. Actually gaming in a window can be quite handy becasue it makes for seamless alt tab switching and really doesn't take any cpu hit I've noticed.

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 11:03 AM
Well you may have a good point there when it gets down to Monitors (LCD) yet UCLANUPE must have some bucks and all and let him go ahead and buy the pretty flat screen LCD and kick himself in the pants when he finds out he just was trading weight for cost.
You can simply bank that extra $1K US from the savings you gain by going to a CRT. Not to mention a better screen picture (Palate colors and more colors overall)
While gaming, LCD are not worth the savings made by choosing a CRT.

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 11:24 AM
Woah - is this the first ever time RBJ has actually posted helpful material ?!

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 11:53 AM
im doing great pukealyptus! dont worry bout me. thanks for your concern though.

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 02:53 PM
SS-Sorce wrote:
- Woah - is this the first ever time RBJ has
- actually posted helpful material ?!
-
-

No he actualy helps alot around here you gota watch the smaller posts /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Normaly tho hes just a wild & crazy guy

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 03:47 PM
I have the Dell 18.1" UltraSharp LCD monitor and it rocks.

Resolution is limited to 1280X1024, but i have had no problems with it at all and colors seem much better than any CRT I've had in the past (NEC, Dell, various Asian Brands).

It's currently being fed by an ATI9700 Pro in my homebuilt machine.

Good luck with your choice, I personally will never own another CRT monitor again after buying this monitor.





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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 04:14 PM
Forget all the previous crap about monitors and LCD displays, this is what you need , if you have cash. Get an Epson DLP projector and display on a 6 to 8 foot screen somewhere. I have a Barco Data 5000 Crt projector in my basement with a 6X8` wide screen, 2000watt suround sound system. This is what you want, in Canada a good DLP projector is $1500, probablyabout $800 USD. Nothing compares to this, I watch all my DVD movies through my computer at 1152x1024 res. on this huge screen. I'm in the process of building a flight chair with rudder pedals, been working on a flight yoke, took apart one of myolder joysticks and been using the parts, put this in front of the screen with sound blasting and you get real immersion.

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 04:31 PM
RedDeth wrote:
- im doing great pukealyptus! dont worry bout me.
- thanks for your concern though.

Don't mistake pitty for concern asshat. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Message Edited on 09/20/0308:32AM by UCLANUPE

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 04:36 PM
Psycho/Cobra Thank you for your positive responses. I will go to the store this morning and check those monitors out. S!



Message Edited on 09/20/0308:36AM by UCLANUPE

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 04:58 PM
Try the SyncMaster 957MB (19'', 1920x1449, .20mm) by Samsung. I has great native resolution and is nicely priced as well. It down to about $250.00.

If you want LCD and have $1,000.00 for a monitor, then consider the SyncMaster 191T (19'', 1280x1024, .294mm) by Samsung. Samsung make really nice monitors IMHO.

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 05:48 PM
yeah, samsung is good. I bought a very cheap 19'' monitor: the Samsung Samtron 96P. It has a dot-pitch of 0.22.

Be aware that the native resolutions are the only acceptable resolutions, since other resolutions have moiree ptterns and flicker. Native resolutions are good and rock-steady. A good low-price monitor.

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 06:28 PM
What you need is the Sony 24" widescreen it is byfar the best monitor out their for surfing,gamming, well really anything.

I love mine and could never use anything smaller than that again. 17" 19" 20" thier so small they make my eyes hurt.

plus thier not widescreen so thier a wast anyway.

well good luck and enjoy.

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 08:11 PM
psychopetey wrote:
- Forget all the previous crap about monitors and LCD
- displays, this is what you need , if you have cash.
- Get an Epson DLP projector and display on a 6 to 8
- foot screen somewhere. I have a Barco Data 5000 Crt
- projector in my basement with a 6X8` wide screen,
- 2000watt suround sound system. This is what you
- want, in Canada a good DLP projector is $1500,
- probablyabout $800 USD. Nothing compares to this, I
- watch all my DVD movies through my computer at
- 1152x1024 res. on this huge screen. I'm in the
- process of building a flight chair with rudder
- pedals, been working on a flight yoke, took apart
- one of myolder joysticks and been using the parts,
- put this in front of the screen with sound blasting
- and you get real immersion.
-



Dude. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

I'm speechless.

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 10:50 PM
2 questions for Wargod

First is does FB fit into the widescreen ratio?

Second.at what resolution do you have to run it at to look decent?

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 10:57 PM
www.dansdata.com (http://www.dansdata.com) has written about moniters abit, dig around, great guy /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
ive seen several lcd projectors, and frankly i want one /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 01:51 AM
Wolfstriked.

if you get win xp and run the omega drivers you get acces to some custom widesceen resolutions in fb and alot of other games.
it looks great edge to edge. you could add the custome resolutions in the driver cab set up if you wanted but im to lazy so i just use the omega ones install them and your done.


their are some games that dont really support custom resolutions mainly quake based games but with the omega drivers if you run at useally 1280 or at 1600 it looks great.

I dont suggest this monitor if you have win 98, or anything other than this years latest nvidia or any thing older than the rage 128 in the ati camp. cause the driver problems are annoying with the screen stretching. other than that it is the most awsome gameing experiance.

It was definitaly the best computer purchase ive ever made.
highly highly recomend it plus youll soon learn that watching dvd movies on it is addicting because the picture is so crisp and clear. "warning on crapy speacial effects though.." hehe you can see all the movie mess ups.

Terminator 2 was rather disapointing i used to think it had ok speacial effects but you can clearly see all the fake stuff " like patches of fire that were laid of the film when stuff blew up." nasty make up just all kinds of things.

but it looks awsome on gameing but can make you sick on flying games... you get used to it though.

any other questions give me a holler..

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 02:34 AM
Great Wargod,thanks for the reply.I would have a hard time spending that much money on a monitor since I dont make much money.But I am getting a small apt and the fact that I can also use it as my TV screen is the selling point for me since I can save space.Sounds great and look foward to getting sick from games/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 03:36 AM
Whatever you do just donâ´t get a plain CRT monitor. Get a 21" Trinitron with aperture grill (itâ´s for enhancing the colours). or perhaps shadowmask monitor. Believe me the difference is night and day.

I remember when I sold my Hansol 900P CRT monitor and got my Dell 1626HT Trinitron monitor with aperture grill(produced by Sony) and I got a Geforce 3 ti-500 at the time and some new revolutionary 50 % gain dets was supposed to be out and was running 3Dmark 2001SE with aa and anisotropic for eyecandy (I thought) and was just amazed on what I saw. That and a 4000 score increase or something.

But I later find out that I was actually running without aa and anisotropic and it was my monitor that made all the difference.

So the difference is night and day but those 21" Trinitron monitors do weight a ton so itâ´s nothing you want on a Lan party or something. But monitors and speakers is what you should spend most money on since those takes a long long time to become obsolete if you buy high quality ones.

My Dell 21" 1626HT Trinitron Aperture grill monitor I bought for 350$ I think it was and can probably be had for less these days. Supports resolutions up to 1600x1200x85 hertz. Awesome bang for the buck monitors really. But they are big and heavy but if IQ is all that matters these type of monitors are awesome.

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 04:54 AM
It does work good as a tv.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 07:39 AM
The 24" sony widescreen (GDM-FW900)
is a sweet monitor but expensive ($1800) and FB does NOT support widescreen. You can make it fit into a widescreen(16:9) but it will be a 4:3 with the top and bottom chopped off. Some people (Dexmeister) think FB supporst widescreen because they can run it on 3 monitors, but it isn't really widescreen. It is 3 seperate views and they do not flawlessly seam at the edges.

Very few games support true widescreen. It is the future (just like TV's) but for gaming it isn't quite here yet. When FB supports a true widescreen where people with widescreens can actually see more than people with 4:3's then I will seriously consider it.

And DVD's are not a high enough resolution media to really enjoy on a large computer monitor (will look grainy). Wait for HD-DVD. High definition television feeds are way better quality than current DVD technology. Thats why people with $10,000 TV's are dissapointed with with the way DVD's look, because current DVD's arent high enough resolution for such a big screen.

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 10:35 AM
Geez a lot of large sums of money being talked about here.

I have a âŁ40 monitor, it does just fine, and I can buy food and pay the rent.

Some of the figures being talked about here make me think I'm in the wrong industry and should get a new job.


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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 11:39 AM
Hey, Cpt., get a new job! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

-

While I have LCD's, I recommend CRT's for gamers. If you have demanding games that need 'visual adjusting', you will be happier. (I chose LCD's because of heat and space, not gaming. Besides that, I got excellent deals.)

For instance, in FB you may 'need' to play in 1024x768, while in another game you may be able to play at 1280x1024, etc.

An LCD will always look best at its native resolution. If you have 3 games running at dif resolutions, and NONE of them are at your LCD's native resolution, you may just not be very happy.

There is also the issue of ghosting.

Anyway, just do some thorough research if you decide on an LCD.

In regards to choosing a CRT monitor, the best size vs money choice is a 19". You can get some really good 17" monitors for cheap, but why bother when there are great 19" monitors for not much more. Moving above 19" will definitely cost you.

Some things a person should not skimp on are the case and power supply. I use to add the monitor to that, however, prices and products are changing rather quickly as of late. Again, research. Google and a good technical site will help immensely.
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NOTE: As for CRT's, a flat screen should be your choice. Also, you can decide between an Invar Shawdow Mask or an Aperture Grill monitor.

Good luck deciding. (And above I did not even mention MONEY! Heh.)

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Message Edited on 09/21/0305:47AM by RealKill

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 01:13 AM
Save one, thanks for all of the replies. I guess I have a little more research to do. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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