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Waldo.Pepper
06-30-2004, 09:31 PM
Might be kind of dull if you think about it.

If you want to stay on a carrier and be a fighter pilot If you start with a Zeke/Zero, that may be the end of the road.

If you transfer to land base you may get (depending upon plane set)

Shinden.
Raiden.
Ohka (short career there!)

Bah!

Army Career you might get...

Ki-45 Toryu YUM!
Ki-61 Hien Also YUM!
Ki-100
Ki-43 Hayabusa
Ki-44 Shoki
Hi-84 Hayate

Whew!

But c'mon who wants to fly for the Army!? YUK!

Waldo.Pepper
06-30-2004, 09:31 PM
Might be kind of dull if you think about it.

If you want to stay on a carrier and be a fighter pilot If you start with a Zeke/Zero, that may be the end of the road.

If you transfer to land base you may get (depending upon plane set)

Shinden.
Raiden.
Ohka (short career there!)

Bah!

Army Career you might get...

Ki-45 Toryu YUM!
Ki-61 Hien Also YUM!
Ki-100
Ki-43 Hayabusa
Ki-44 Shoki
Hi-84 Hayate

Whew!

But c'mon who wants to fly for the Army!? YUK!

VOL_Hans
07-01-2004, 12:41 AM
MMmmmm...

That KI-61 for the army sounds nice...

http://www.altitude.us/missions/The%20Volunteers/hanssig.jpg

Feathered_IV
07-01-2004, 03:26 AM
Much nicer if Navy types could cut their teeth on the beautiful little Nakajima A1N1 (in China of course) followed by A4N1 and early A5M1 Claude through to the A5M4's. Then work their way through the various A6M's etc.

Pf would be pretty dull if only 2-3 flyable IJN types are included.

http://www.warbirdpictures.com/NavyJB&W2/A5M-22.jpg

Giganoni
07-01-2004, 03:28 AM
Hmm, Ki-43, Shoki, Ki-45, fighting in Burma..yep, I'd go with army over IJN anyday.

http://img74.photobucket.com/albums/v225/giganoni/IL2/giganoni2.jpg

TimTam27
07-01-2004, 05:58 AM
Not so much fun for the IJAAF in Burma. If you survive a campaign till 1945 the odds won't exactly be in your favour.
Allied Air Forces had 1200 planes. IJAAF had 64.

CaptJodan
07-01-2004, 11:19 AM
Problem is in FB campaigns have usually never shown the numerical situation. There's usually a near equal level of flights that go up on the Russian side as there is for the German.

I'm wondering if that won't be the same for this as well. Because otherwise people would comment that the last part of the campaign on the American side was boring, while the first part of the campaign for the japanese was boring.

I wish campaigns ran with missions where your CO rations your fuel to only 50 or 25% or you have only one flight against the enemy's four, or something.

Blutarski2004
07-01-2004, 11:56 AM
One terrific locale for an extended Pacific front air campaign is the Guadalcanal/Rabaul axis. Everybody was there (USN, USMC, USAAF, IJNAC, IJAAC, and all the Commonwealth forces) flying every imaginable model of a/c from fighter to torpedo bomber to four-engined bomber. And it continue for more than a year.

BLUTARSKI

Atomic_Marten
07-01-2004, 12:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CaptJodan:
Problem is in FB campaigns have usually never shown the numerical situation. There's usually a near equal level of flights that go up on the Russian side as there is for the German.

I'm wondering if that won't be the same for this as well. Because otherwise people would comment that the last part of the campaign on the American side was boring, while the first part of the campaign for the japanese was boring.

I wish campaigns ran with missions where your CO rations your fuel to only 50 or 25% or you have only one flight against the enemy's four, or something.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You point at the maybe the most vulnerable (weak) point of campaign aspect of this game(s). However, I would like to add my comment that is closely linked to this issue: your flight in EVERY mission is opposed by enemy A/C's. And that is tottaly unrealistic...

jeroen_R90S
07-04-2004, 12:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CaptJodan:
Problem is in FB campaigns have usually never shown the numerical situation. There's usually a near equal level of flights that go up on the Russian side as there is for the German.

I'm wondering if that won't be the same for this as well. Because otherwise people would comment that the last part of the campaign on the American side was boring, while the first part of the campaign for the japanese was boring.

I wish campaigns ran with missions where your CO rations your fuel to only 50 or 25% or you have only one flight against the enemy's four, or something.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

IIRC even good old Aces over Europe modelled this to some extent, although simplistic. During the later parts of the war, while flying as German, your flight was reduced to 2 or 3 planes. If you flew Allied the same happenend, you'd encounter flights of only 2-3 Germans, or none at all. Too bad AoEs flight size was rather limited, or the effect would have been cooler.

I've never seen this happen in another sim, though!

Jeroen

==============================
Ah you LaGG, my lightened LaGG,
why don't you wish to fly?
Over the wild Black Sea water
your cockpit you made me leave.

MetalG.
07-04-2004, 12:12 PM
Personally I look forward to flying the IJN aircraft. So I think flying an IJN campaign will be anything but dull.
What's wrong with flying the Zero most of the time anyway? There were a number of different types of the Zero.
Ofcourse you probably won't fly any other type of aircraft till say 1944 however that does not make it dull IMO.
Besides all that, I think carrier takeoffs and landings will be very fun http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

RAC_Pips
07-04-2004, 04:33 PM
I too am reallt looking forward to flying an IJN campaign. Just flying the Zero is fine by me, after all there are five major types to try out...Model 11, Model 21, Model 32, Model 22, Model 52! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And don't forget that besides the Raiden and Shiden there is also the J1N1-Gekko.

More importantly is the variety (hopefully)available in any IJN campaign. China, Malaya, Dutch East Indies, Philipines, New Guinea, Guadalcanal, Santa Cruz and back up the Slot to Rabaul, Truk, Coral Sea and Midway, the Gilberts, the Marinas, Leyte, Philipines again, Iwo, Okinawa, Formosa and Home Defence.

As the saying goes.....join the Navy and see the World! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

PikeBishop
07-08-2004, 06:28 AM
As I have said before, if the campaigns are not historical but free roaming then from Midway onwards the war could never be played as it actually went.....Midway just won't happen as it actually did. The war would go on a lot longer and this will give IJAF/IJN players many more Jap types to play with. Numbers would then not be such a problem as the sides would remain at a stalemate for a lot longer. Types like the Reppu, KI87 KI96 and Shinden could achieve combat status much earlier as well as the later versions of the Ki84 Raiden and Shiden Kai appearing earlier making it much more interesting on the Japanese side. (Maybe this is a little ambitious for the game though....but a very nice thought.
regards,

SLP

regards,
SLP

Yellonet
07-08-2004, 06:41 AM
Hopefully there will be both the dynamic-within-certain-boundries historical campaign and the "free" campaign which can take alternate routes depending on outcomes of battles.


- Yellonet

F19_Orheim
07-08-2004, 06:49 AM
Cr@p planes rule!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://216.12.202.106/~f19vs/F19bannerA.jpg
http://216.12.202.106/~f19vs/F19banner.jpg

Capt._Tenneal
07-08-2004, 07:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Yellonet:
Hopefully there will be both the dynamic-within-certain-boundries historical campaign and the "free" campaign which can take alternate routes depending on outcomes of battles.


- Yellonet<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree. Implement this for FB-AEP and BOE too and it will be great. This will be the major rework I would ask for the dynamic campaign. Keep the historical model but add a "freeform" option to it.

WereSnowleopard
07-08-2004, 11:10 AM
If you feel A6M too bored and want late model Zero come out early for Carrier operation then make demand on Mitsubishi A7M Reppu (Hurricane) . I bet you will get lot of Wow after read information about it. Go ahead and make demand on it as glory for IJN.

Cheers
Snowleopard

sugaki
07-08-2004, 02:55 PM
Don't count on the A7M--it won't be in the original release, and heck, even the Shiden won't be a flyable plane. Many other bases to cover before that plane.

But I'd rather see it than most other late-war Japanese planes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

-Aki

Giganoni
07-09-2004, 02:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt._Tenneal:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Yellonet:
Hopefully there will be both the dynamic-within-certain-boundries historical campaign and the "free" campaign which can take alternate routes depending on outcomes of battles.


- Yellonet<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree. Implement this for FB-AEP and BOE too and it will be great. This will be the major rework I would ask for the dynamic campaign. Keep the historical model but add a "freeform" option to it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Luthier has already discussed the Campaign, you can change the course of history.

http://img74.photobucket.com/albums/v225/giganoni/IL2/giganoni2.jpg

Feathered_IV
07-09-2004, 04:23 AM
Freeform campaign in BOB might be interesting.
I was just imagining Blenheims and Battles attacking German armour somewhere outside Colchester.

Hoarmurath
07-09-2004, 05:22 AM
A6M2
A6M3
A6M5
A6M2N
J1N1
J2M3
J2M4
N1K1
N1K1J
N1K2J

and what about the "what if" IJN planes

A7M
J7W
J5N
KIKKA
J8M

i thought you knew better about IJN planes in ww2...

http://hoarmurath.free.fr/images/sighoar.jpg (http://hoarmurath.free.fr/)

Werg78
07-09-2004, 06:05 AM
imo the set of IJN fighters is fine with the A5m, A6M, N1k1 (as many models of them as possible).

but what about the torpedo/dive bombers?

i hope they will be flyable on both sides!
just imagine the thrill of flying a underpowered, underarmed and as good as downed right after takeoff TBD or facing F6Fs in your almost unshielded B5N later in the war http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

a serious must have for the IJN and the USN are:
B5N
Aichi99
B6N
D4Y (Judy)

TBD
TBF
SBD
SB2C

i just loved flying these bombers in the good old AoP.

EDIT:

and dont forget the Ki27 and Ki43 for the IJAAF or some flyable twin engine bombers Ki21 and the firelighter G4M http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif