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TAGERT.
04-08-2004, 03:21 PM
we DESERVE that much!

A list of all the bug submitted to UBI for the current version of ACE EP. This one way street of the user submitting bugs (feedback) to UBI results in redundant and worse yet missed bug reports.

Redundant in that the user does not know what UBI has or has not been reported.. Missed in that the user may think the bug has all ready been reported.

If we had an official listing of all the bug submitted, *we* could read through it before wasting our or ubi's time. The list could also be ultimately used in the readme.txt of all the fixes that were addressed in the patch.

The current lack of feedback from UBI on the user feedback is only good for one thing.. By not providing the community with a official listing of all the bugs submitted.. UBI can use the data to see what is important to the users.. i.e. the squeaky wheel gets the grease!

Therefore, if you have a bug that you feel is important to YOU.. Then the only way it will get fixed is if it is real EASY for them to fix it.. OR (i.e. hard to fix) if you FLOOD UBI with hundreds and hundreds of redundantly submissions... I personally don't like to do that.. I personally don't think it is the best for the product or the users.. I personally don't think it is too much to ask of UBI to provide us with an official listing of all the bugs submitted that gets updated each time the receive a new VALID bug.

Keep in mind.. UBI can toss in all that legal mumbo jumbo at the top that states that acknowledge does not imply it will actually get fixed stuff.

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TAGERT.
04-08-2004, 03:21 PM
we DESERVE that much!

A list of all the bug submitted to UBI for the current version of ACE EP. This one way street of the user submitting bugs (feedback) to UBI results in redundant and worse yet missed bug reports.

Redundant in that the user does not know what UBI has or has not been reported.. Missed in that the user may think the bug has all ready been reported.

If we had an official listing of all the bug submitted, *we* could read through it before wasting our or ubi's time. The list could also be ultimately used in the readme.txt of all the fixes that were addressed in the patch.

The current lack of feedback from UBI on the user feedback is only good for one thing.. By not providing the community with a official listing of all the bugs submitted.. UBI can use the data to see what is important to the users.. i.e. the squeaky wheel gets the grease!

Therefore, if you have a bug that you feel is important to YOU.. Then the only way it will get fixed is if it is real EASY for them to fix it.. OR (i.e. hard to fix) if you FLOOD UBI with hundreds and hundreds of redundantly submissions... I personally don't like to do that.. I personally don't think it is the best for the product or the users.. I personally don't think it is too much to ask of UBI to provide us with an official listing of all the bugs submitted that gets updated each time the receive a new VALID bug.

Keep in mind.. UBI can toss in all that legal mumbo jumbo at the top that states that acknowledge does not imply it will actually get fixed stuff.

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crazyivan1970
04-08-2004, 03:57 PM
UBI or mods probably will not tell lol. There is 40+ pages thread in sukhoi.ru Oleg listed some of the bugs in there...even said which ones a fixed. I just don`t have time to translate it all.

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04-08-2004, 04:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
UBI or mods probably will not tell lol.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Why?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970: There is 40+ pages thread in sukhoi.ru<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Tell them to use Font Arial 10 not Arial Bold 72! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Or to sort it and delete the repeats! But seriosly.. There are bugs on that list that are probally low level network code stuff that 99% of us users would not have any idea of.. let alone submit.. What *we* deserve is a list of the typical types of bugs.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Oleg listed some of the bugs in there... even said which ones a fixed.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well *some* would be better than what we have now.. ie *none*!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
I just don`t have time to translate it all.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Heck if that is the only reason for us not having it.. GIVE IT TO ME! Ill translate it and manage it for you and post it here!!

In summary.. pretty weak excuses IMHO! I know your hands are probally tied.. so dont take it personal! But I really Really REALLY feel that we deserve a list

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TAGERT.
04-08-2004, 04:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Oleg listed some of the bugs in there...even said which ones a fixed.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Would one of them happen to be the P38 mirror bug?

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crazyivan1970
04-08-2004, 04:15 PM
Here man... http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?s=b28dcd4ea148c9f2acd56a396c9b3aac&threadid=22200 have fun.

Weak excuses eh... oh well.

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

TAGERT.
04-08-2004, 04:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Here man... http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?s=b28dcd4ea148c9f2acd56a396c9b3aac&threadid=22200 have fun.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thank You Ivan!!!!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Weak excuses eh... oh well.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Like I said.. dont take it personal! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif This is a UBI ball drop.. not yours! But if implying it was yours is all it took to get that link! Im glad I did it! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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crazyivan1970
04-08-2004, 04:24 PM
If you really think about this, ubi is not involved in this process. All bug reports are going on il2beta@1c.ru and Oleg personally checks that e-mail.

Also he said this: ß ¯?¨ * ? ç!

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** I asked you many times.
Bug is considered a bug only when it is reported to il2beta@1c.ru and compiled in the appropriate manner, as it shown in the first post of this topic.

We have no time to go thru all these postings where real bugs are specified with mix of everything else.

I`m telling you all this for the last time. **

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

TAGERT.
04-08-2004, 04:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> by Oleg Maddox:
I requested many times!

Bag is considered bagom, when to the address il2beta@?.ru is sent communication by the established form, described in the first post of this topika.

We do not have time to investigate your postingi, which go into peremezhku with something still.

Again I repeat also for the last time.



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Thus let us begin from the main thing.... Why it do not dispatch bag of report according to the established rule!? Indeed is a special address the rule, presented even in version 1.11....

So that make it possible to resemble to you:

il2beta@?.ru

To dispatch tracks, skrinshoty, text description and configuration RS.
Bag of the type "to me to kazhet'sya, what do you have here not so td". Without the documentary and track confirmation be examined not will be.


Rules of the sending of communications about the errors (Bug Reporting).

You can send away information about the errors or the malfunction of program to the address of yS:M.addokh Games on the electronic mail - for this purpose is specially isolated the mailbox il2beta@?.ru.
Before the dispatch, if you please, convert the files of pictures TGA in JPG, and zaarkhiviruyte large files (ONLY in zip).

Form of the communication:
1. Version of program.
2. Information about your computer (to predostavte as complete as possible description, including type and versions of the ustanovlenykh drivers of video- and audiokart and the type of net connection).
3. Description of the problem (brief description, including the description of accompanying skrinshotov or records of flights).
4. Describe the sequence of actions in order to reproduce your problem (in detail).
6. Accompanying files (skrinshoty t.p.).


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But now "aces in the sky" v2.0
Bug Reports On the basis of communications from foruma(mov)

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1) in Hurricanes control lever sinks in the compass (in the position from itself).


Answer: Not bag. In general it was necessary to even in ZS speak about this. But now pozdnovato....


2) P -63. From the beginning are discarded the bombs from the left console and the central suspension and only then from the right console.


Answer: It is repaired. Correction you will obtain with that emerging the soon patcem/add- afore-mentioned with 10+ new aircraft.

3) with the abandoning by crew the injured Fw-200 crew does not jump s
by parachutes, and it disappears, killed remain on the spot.
The killed right pilot - it is deprived of the head, of the blood is not.

Answer: Let us look

4) Bf-109G-2. C by suspension of two mg -151, with the shooting from
basic weapon and additional guns, in the cab disappears the sound
the operating engines, when in suspension concludes ammunition, with
to shooting from the basic weapon all ok... Map 5.1 layv..

Answer: They verified, Gluck is not obtained to cause.
Is necessary track (NTRK) and conf.ini


6) in the regime on-line radio operator-gunner in Bf-110G-2 does not have an ammunition, if
there reseats player, or 2-1 numbers, with the pointers Of khenkeley that
history.

Answer: Ten times verified. Not it podterzhdayetsya. Send the track, which this will show,! But so, most likely in yuzera autopilot pointer remains switch oned, when it reseats in its places. This is determined in the installations. Most likely simply the option of automatic turning off THE II pointer is switched off in yuzera.


7) on Bf-109K4 "at the speed" with the steep turn to starboard, in the regime
"to otol'nut'" from the sight, on the frontal glass to the left begins
to crawl out the piece of aiming grid.

Answer: Let us live with this. Be guided not will be. By the way this can happen and not only with Bf-109K4.


8) not -111N-6. It must not bear two bombs SC2000.

Answer: We will live with this. In the overload it was allowed to 4 tone of load.


9) that -152. The dimmer of sight does not work. When you press
the corresponding button, then is audible only flick, but dimmer not
it appears.

Dimmer to work on it must. There to it there is no place under the frontal glass in order to work. But sound works with the pressure of these keys now for all aircraft. There is no error here.


10) Bf-110G-2. In the menu of the selection of armament is written 2xMk108+.2xWfr.Gr.2y+.2khBak
... if we select this load, then hang 4 rockets Wfr.Gr.21.


11) Bf-109Z. With you posadki/vzlete they do not raise dust internal chassis + they do not raise dust
rear chassis (it raises dust the not existing chassis on the middle).

Answer: Here there is no error. Dvizhek IL-2 can reproduce only for 3x supports the dust of cloudlet. Also the very you could see in the course of all two past years on not -.111Z. "be corrected" not will be.

12) Go-229. TWO identical symmetrical fragments of monocoque with the engines depart with the undermining in air, or the impact about the earth from GO -229.

Answer: It occurs. It can happen also of other by aircraft.


13) Bf-109Z. Nothing it occurs with the fire with the pilot.

Answer: Let us verify

14) R -63. Smokes and flow separation go not from the wing tips, but from the region of "stars". Evidently the dimensions of wing from the old cobra remained.
In dopa. armament everywhere, where are indicated the pound bombs + of 2 tanks - tank one.

Answer:
On the first, not bag. We will live with this.
Pr to the second - let us verify.

15) Bf-110g-2. The dimmer continues to work on the convoluted (broken) sight.


Answer: It is repaired. Correction you will obtain with that emerging the soon patcem/add- afore-mentioned with 10+ new aircraft.



16. Me-163. It cannot be taken off from the earth.

Answer: It is repaired. Correction you will obtain with that emerging the soon patcem/add- afore-mentioned with 10+ new aircraft.


17. Mistel' - in online of problem with the takeoff (engines they are not started).

Answer: It is repaired. Correction you will obtain with that emerging the soon patcem/add- afore-mentioned with 10+ new aircraft.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Here is a quick trans of that first page by Oleg.. but I would much rather have the official COMPLIED list he refers to

TAGERT.
04-08-2004, 05:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
If you really think about this, ubi is not involved in this process.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Maybe.. but that does not mean they are not related to the responsability of it all.. It is one of their sub-contractors.. they distribute thier product.. I would think they would like to see the process suceed.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
All bug reports are going on il2beta@1c.ru and Oleg personally checks that e-mail. Also he said this: I asked you many times.
Bug is considered a bug only when it is reported to il2beta@1c.ru and compiled in the appropriate manner, as it shown in the first post of this topic.

We have no time to go thru all these postings where real bugs are specified with mix of everything else.

I`m telling you all this for the last time.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Perfect! I totally agree with Oleg.. In that I dont have the time nor the will to sift through the endless.. and typically mindless posts that appear in fourms like the one at 1c.ru or here!

Therefore.. Just to be clear.. I didnt want a link to another fourm with the same junk in it as here.. What I want is to see that official COMPILED list of bugs that Oleg refers to... The ones that were submited properly, and thus taken seriosly by Oleg and the team. THAT LIST IS WHAT WE DESRVE!

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