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tjbyrum1
02-28-2014, 02:04 PM
I'm not here to type in huge capital letters, pleading to Ubisoft to create an Assassin's Creed game in Japan. I just want to talk about it.

I was sitting in my room one day when I thought to myself "Probably time for another AC game to be announced." So I Googled it and sure enough rumors of Assassin's Creed 5 popped up. I've been seeing things like 'Desert Son' (Egypt), 'Great Fall' (Russia), and hearing rumors of it being in Victorian London. These are all interesting places of course, and I'm not against the idea of any of them (any one of those three couldn't possibly be as disappointing as AC4:BF).

But one thing I keep seeing seeing - no matter what rumor it is - is that AC5 will NOT take place in Japan. I know the community might be divided on that: some are itching for an opportunity to play in Japan while others find it cliche and do not want to be there. I guess I'm part of the group that can't wait for a game to be announced that takes place in Japan (Feudal Japan, Sengoku, or the Modernization in the late 19th and early 20th century).

When most people think of (historic) Japan, they always think of cliche ninjas in cliche black stealth gear, throwing ninja stars and doing out-of-this-world gymnastics. But in all honesty, Japan is such a rich area to explore, especially when Japan began to modernize itself, the way of the Samurai began to decline, and the widespread use of gunpowder to field powerful armies. The architecture is beautiful and would look amazing in an AC game (Ubisoft always impresses). Traditional armor used in Japan, weapons that would include but are not limited to Katanas, Dai-Katanas, Shurikens, Wakizashis, and so much more (throw in the Rope Dart). Not to mention the skill, training, and techniques required for those weapons, the animations would look superb.

So when you think of Japan, don't think of cliche ninjas please. It's such a wonderful opportunity, and the culture and history is rich and unique, and everything that Assassin's Creed stands for would fit perfectly into it.

EDIT: You should know that there are not really any mainstream games that take place in a historic Japanese setting. Japan is something the gaming world really hasn't seen a lot of outside of fantasy hack-n-slash games and strategic war games like Shogun. Even then, the player never really experiences anything like what one would find in an Assassin's Creed game.

ACLexter
02-28-2014, 02:24 PM
I don't have much knowledge about Japan history, but I know for sure that , that is an interesting history to play.
actually when they Japan is mentioned, I know think of ninjas, first thing came to my mind is samurai. and these samurai looks badass.
I used to watch Anime with samurai, or even this movie Last Samurai, and these guys and awesome, their outfit, their armor, very iconic,
their weapon, of course the Katana, a Bow and arrow. and their swordsmanship and pretty good. their sword style.

So yeah, that's the reason why I like to see Assassins Creed in Japan. I know ubisoft can make a good story about it and connect to AC universe, after all, history is their (our) playground

oliacr
02-28-2014, 02:28 PM
Japan is very interesting. With all those ninjas and samurais. Their skills in martial arts were unbelieveable. There were nice cities and lands too. Imagine that if you had the chance to choose your alliance either the ninjas or the samurais. Would be great If I may say.

adventurewomen
02-28-2014, 02:35 PM
We just had confirmation few days ago that AC5 won't be set in Japan: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/next-assassin-s-creed-won-t-be-set-in-japan/1100-6417936/


Maybe in the future Japan could be a setting..

ACLexter
02-28-2014, 02:46 PM
I definitely want to see Japan in the future,
but I want to see a way better combat system especially in sword combat.

Sorry to say but, our current sword combat system is... how do I say this,... not really good.

Swordsmanship of the samurai are awesome and they deserve a better combat feature

Sushiglutton
02-28-2014, 02:50 PM
I think Japan could be cool, even though I know little about its history. I've watched a couple of Kurosawa movies though. Anyway have you heard of Yakuza Ishin? It's an open world Samurai game that just released in Japan. Not clear yet if Sega will bring it here. Check it out:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuO33VZTK-c




I definitely want to see Japan in the future,
but I want to see a way better combat system especially in sword combat.

Sorry to say but, our current sword combat system is... how do I say this,... not really good.

Swordsmanship of the samurai are awesome and they deserve a better combat feature


I agree, but you can view it the other way around too. A samurai game would force Ubi to build a really cool combat system.

DrBlutengott
02-28-2014, 02:55 PM
I dont see why people wouldnt want a historic Japan. It has such a great and iconic history with the samurai noble class. Ninja really arent that important, they only appeared for like 200 years during the Warring States period, which has far more interesting things to cover than some sneaky spies.

And yeah, way to not give us any information other than once again its not Japan. Why even mention it other than to kick us who want Japan.

And there really arent any games set in historical Japan. Which is incredibly surprising considering how popular Japan is.

ACLexter
02-28-2014, 02:56 PM
I heard there will be a new engine, AnvilX if the rumor is true.
I want to see if there will be a big improvement in the combat system.

STDlyMcStudpants
02-28-2014, 06:25 PM
If you want AC Japan play Mini Ninjas..
Its essentially cartoon assassins creed....

STDlyMcStudpants
02-28-2014, 06:34 PM
I heard there will be a new engine, AnvilX if the rumor is true.
I want to see if there will be a big improvement in the combat system.
They made MASSIVE Improvements with all systems in Assassins Creed 3 love the game or hate it.
Im 100% positive if they were going to do another reainvention it would be in assassins creed 5....5 is such a massive mile stone.
But I would rather they perfect AC3's systems instead of plucking from the past like AC4 did..I also dont really want to see them starting from scratch when everything used in AC3 had such massive potential...

tjbyrum1
02-28-2014, 06:59 PM
They made MASSIVE Improvements with all systems in Assassins Creed 3 love the game or hate it.
Im 100% positive if they were going to do another reainvention it would be in assassins creed 5....5 is such a massive mile stone.
But I would rather they perfect AC3's systems instead of plucking from the past like AC4 did..I also dont really want to see them starting from scratch when everything used in AC3 had such massive potential...

I was a bit scared to say I hated the systems in AC4, but now I don't feel so hesitant now that I see someone else prefers AC3.

I don't know where they went wrong in AC4. I mean, the characters and voice-acting are great, the setting is rich and the concept is very good. But for some reason it feels like almost everything they accomplished in AC3 was... less than 'better', almost as if it was devolved. I had my fair share of problems with AC3 to, but only to a 'video game' extent (every game has problems). For a game based almost entirely around naval combat, it just didn't have that same impact that AC3's naval conflicts had. Combat and free-running were very 'cumbersome' and I had a hard time controlling it sometimes (and I'm generally good at AC games). I usually have fun in AC games, but this one just felt like one big hassle to get through (got it brand new about 2 days after release, just beat it today (Feb 28)). The story had its moments, but it felt strung out - and parts of the story just seemed to not fit in. A stand-alone game about pirates would have better in my honest opinion.

oliacr
02-28-2014, 07:00 PM
They made MASSIVE Improvements with all systems in Assassins Creed 3 love the game or hate it.
Im 100% positive if they were going to do another reainvention it would be in assassins creed 5....5 is such a massive mile stone.
But I would rather they perfect AC3's systems instead of plucking from the past like AC4 did..I also dont really want to see them starting from scratch when everything used in AC3 had such massive potential...
I can agree with you, the biggest advantage of AC3 is its new combat system / free run system. I felt it really fresh so if they just polish that in ac5 it will be a great one.

GunnerGalactico
02-28-2014, 08:48 PM
They made MASSIVE Improvements with all systems in Assassins Creed 3 love the game or hate it.
Im 100% positive if they were going to do another reainvention it would be in assassins creed 5....5 is such a massive mile stone.
But I would rather they perfect AC3's systems instead of plucking from the past like AC4 did..I also dont really want to see them starting from scratch when everything used in AC3 had such massive potential...

Well said dude!. In my opinion, AC3 felt more next gen than AC4.

AC3 was by no means a perfect in terms of certain elements in the game but the combat system and game mechanics were a massive step forward. As I said before in another thread. They do not have to drastically change the entire gameplay system in AC5, they should retain the ones from AC3 and improve or make minor changes.

tjbyrum1
02-28-2014, 08:54 PM
Back on topic, I feel like Japanese weaponry would fit in well with AC's animators, who usually do a good job on the core games (I for one do not consider Brotherhood, Revelations, or Black Flag as core games).

I can't really find a reason NOT to use Japan as a setting.

Here's som fan-generated content, but it only proves AC would look great in Japan:

http://static.zerochan.net/Assassin's.Creed.full.993821.jpg
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/124/b/4/takeda_naosuke_by_b_1ne-d4yj0l5.jpg

STDlyMcStudpants
02-28-2014, 09:01 PM
I was a bit scared to say I hated the systems in AC4, but now I don't feel so hesitant now that I see someone else prefers AC3.

I don't know where they went wrong in AC4. I mean, the characters and voice-acting are great, the setting is rich and the concept is very good. But for some reason it feels like almost everything they accomplished in AC3 was... less than 'better', almost as if it was devolved. I had my fair share of problems with AC3 to, but only to a 'video game' extent (every game has problems). For a game based almost entirely around naval combat, it just didn't have that same impact that AC3's naval conflicts had. Combat and free-running were very 'cumbersome' and I had a hard time controlling it sometimes (and I'm generally good at AC games). I usually have fun in AC games, but this one just felt like one big hassle to get through (got it brand new about 2 days after release, just beat it today (Feb 28)). The story had its moments, but it felt strung out - and parts of the story just seemed to not fit in. A stand-alone game about pirates would have better in my honest opinion.

I had a blast playing AC IV...outside of its campaign. But I agree..this is the first Assassins Creed game that I felt like I was dragging myself to end. The Characters were great..but the story...... The story wasnt engaging enough to create the urgency the past 5 games did.
I felt almost as if this game had no climax..it felt very flatlined from the beginning...no rising action or falling action just __________________ a monotone story
I saw Assassins Creed IV as a filler game..not in terms of size (because it was obviously massive) but in terms of variety....
The combat, missions, and city life all felt uninspired and flat.
To me, it didnt deserve it's numbered title. A number in a title says hey check out this innovation
What innovation? This game was grabbing AC1. 2. and 3 throwing them into a shredder and recycling them
and should have just been Assassin's Creed Black Flag
Game is still an easy 9/10 for me..its my #2 game of 2013 behind Tomb Raider
But I think that number in the title is why im so hard on it.
I felt like it pulled the game back instead of attempting to move the series forward like AC2 and AC3 did (something only a filler game should do)

tjbyrum1
02-28-2014, 09:07 PM
I had a blast playing AC IV...outside of its campaign. But I agree..this is the first Assassins Creed game that I felt like I was dragging myself to end. The Characters were great..but the story...... The story wasnt engaging enough to create the urgency the past 5 games did.
I felt almost as if this game had no climax..it felt very flatlined from the beginning...no rising action or falling action just __________________ a monotone story
I saw Assassins Creed IV as a filler game..not in terms of size (because it was obviously massive) but in terms of variety....
The combat, missions, and city life all felt uninspired and flat.
To me, it didnt deserve it's numbered title. A number in a title says hey check out this innovation
What innovation? This game was grabbing AC1. 2. and 3 throwing them into a shredder and recycling them
and should have just been Assassin's Creed Black Flag
Game is still an easy 9/10 for me..its my #2 game of 2013 behind Tomb Raider
But I think that number in the title is why im so hard on it.
I felt like it pulled the game back instead of attempting to move the series forward like AC2 and AC3 did (something only a filler game should do)

I agree with this. But I'd rate it a 5/10 at the least, and a 6/10 at the highest. Assassin's Creed II is probably my favorite AC game; AC3 is good too and the gameplay is better, but it doesn't have that same charm as AC2. I'd rate AC2 probably 9/10, AC3 is 9/10, ACB and ACR is probably 7/10, and AC1 and AC4 is probably 5/10 or 6/10. I usually rate AC2 as my third or fourth favorite game, often contending with Mass Effect 2 (which I give a 9/10).

If you're curious, I rate Red Dead Redemption a 10/10 and The Last of Us, in all honesty, an 11/10; I think TLOU is the greatest game ever I've ever played.

Fatal-Feit
02-28-2014, 11:50 PM
Well said dude!. In my opinion, AC3 felt more next gen than AC4.

AC3 was by no means a perfect in terms of certain elements in the game but the combat system and game mechanics were a massive step forward. As I said before in another thread. They do not have to drastically change the entire gameplay system in AC5, they should retain the ones from AC3 and improve or make minor changes.

Don't worry, it's factually more next-gen. AC:IV had to simplify things for last gen consoles to work.

ze_topazio
03-01-2014, 12:56 AM
AC3 is not almost next gen, it was released this gen, for current gen consoles, uses current gen technology and doesn't do anything impossible to make in the current gen, after all is a current gen game.

Fatal-Feit
03-01-2014, 01:10 AM
AC3 is not almost next gen, it was released this gen, for current gen consoles, uses current gen technology and doesn't do anything impossible to make in the current gen, after all is a current gen game.

It's not news that AC:3 struggles to work consistently on any last generation consoles (even Wii U) and was released with a clear indication of not being completed or refined. The technology behind it just wasn't made for 7-8 year old hardware, which is also why AC:IV came out with an in-between mix of engines.

ze_topazio
03-01-2014, 01:21 AM
That was do to poor optimization and lack of polishment, AC4 uses the same technology and works just fine.

Fatal-Feit
03-01-2014, 01:43 AM
That was do to poor optimization and lack of polishment, AC4 uses the same technology and works just fine.

It doesn't work just fine, it's running around 20-26 fps and dips constantly despite being polished and a cross between the old and current engine. There are a sever lack of animations, cosmetic features, AIs', and the re:used mechanics aren't as graphically stunning or improved-- just mainstreamed. ex:Naval.

souNdwAve89
03-01-2014, 04:00 AM
I'm fine with almost any time period Ubisoft chooses. I personally do hope we get an Asian setting game because it hasn't been done yet. I mean, an Asian setting can freshen up the franchise in a way. I understand the whole argument of how ninjas, Japan, etc are overdone and are cliche, but I would like to see Ubisoft's interpretation of any of Asia's history. On the topic of Japan/China/Asia, there are some cool fan art such as from Jason Kang. Here are some of his work and work from other artists.


Click on the spoiler tabs for pictures




http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-S5fyOImbpYg/UPs4ZxcsviI/AAAAAAAABWY/0y_3JSJDyOI/s1600/temple.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UgFLXCW.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/SFWYymM.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8cGwU7F.jpg

http://th08.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2011/349/6/a/assassins_creed_iii___chinese_sister_by_blues_desi gn-d4j6g7e.jpg

http://payload124.cargocollective.com/1/10/327310/4798491/finaljpg.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Yya-UtNaYDQ/UH4Z3TrQbrI/AAAAAAAABJ8/ieCyk8gt-1E/s1600/characters.jpg



http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-44PKiE7B9qw/Too4W_RGrTI/AAAAAAAAAX8/mAJGdI8VO1Q/s640/GK_Budist_Assassins_Kyoto_AC04.jpg

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/269/a/e/assassin_creed___japan___male_character___by_alvin as-d6nxoqx.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/H6SW1Es.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UVrTb7p.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/G9pugvP.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/B6xw06s.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MtT0nII.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gVu1p8wdpic/UKQfaQwlTAI/AAAAAAAABQI/Ub2lcLMWY5I/s1600/Untitled-1.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--qRHYNRcgqc/UHeplzrSwdI/AAAAAAAABIQ/NrzmbSR0kGM/s1600/finals.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BtDbl_Lh5hg/UGS97SoL48I/AAAAAAAABBc/-LJmOayj-x4/s1600/Assassin's+Creed.jpg

ACLexter
03-01-2014, 06:56 AM
I'm fine with almost any time period Ubisoft chooses. I personally do hope we get an Asian setting game because it hasn't been done yet. I mean, an Asian setting can freshen up the franchise in a way. I understand the whole argument of how ninjas, Japan, etc are overdone and are cliche, but I would like to see Ubisoft's interpretation of any of Asia's history. On the topic of Japan/China/Asia, there are some cool fan art such as from Jason Kang. Here are some of his work and work from other artists.


Click on the spoiler tabs for pictures




http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-S5fyOImbpYg/UPs4ZxcsviI/AAAAAAAABWY/0y_3JSJDyOI/s1600/temple.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UgFLXCW.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/SFWYymM.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8cGwU7F.jpg

http://th08.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2011/349/6/a/assassins_creed_iii___chinese_sister_by_blues_desi gn-d4j6g7e.jpg

http://payload124.cargocollective.com/1/10/327310/4798491/finaljpg.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Yya-UtNaYDQ/UH4Z3TrQbrI/AAAAAAAABJ8/ieCyk8gt-1E/s1600/characters.jpg



http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-44PKiE7B9qw/Too4W_RGrTI/AAAAAAAAAX8/mAJGdI8VO1Q/s640/GK_Budist_Assassins_Kyoto_AC04.jpg

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/269/a/e/assassin_creed___japan___male_character___by_alvin as-d6nxoqx.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/H6SW1Es.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UVrTb7p.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/G9pugvP.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/B6xw06s.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MtT0nII.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gVu1p8wdpic/UKQfaQwlTAI/AAAAAAAABQI/Ub2lcLMWY5I/s1600/Untitled-1.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--qRHYNRcgqc/UHeplzrSwdI/AAAAAAAABIQ/NrzmbSR0kGM/s1600/finals.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BtDbl_Lh5hg/UGS97SoL48I/AAAAAAAABBc/-LJmOayj-x4/s1600/Assassin's+Creed.jpg


Incredibly concept, its like Altair in Japan

oliacr
03-01-2014, 11:03 AM
Amazing concept art -- again! Ubi should really make the game in Japan. After such good concept arts.