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XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 11:51 PM
These extracts are taken from the superb book 'The Battle of Britain' by Matthew Parker. For the people who doubt the Battle of Britain will be any good, because of it 'being done' before, just read the following text and you'll realise just how big and important the whole thing was. For Oleg to do this will, I sincerely hope, do justice to the people who fought for our Country and the rest of Europe and, for that matter, the World. I recommend this book, it is an enthralling read.


The first time I'd seen a really large German formation. The controller on the RT said, 'One hundred-plus bandits' and then told us the direction. Moments later he said, 'Two hundred-plus bandits' and then finally he said, 'Very many bandits!'. I happened to be flying L1082, which was our oldest Spitfire and slowest. I had some difficulty keeping up, however I did more or less. I remember the incredible sight of this great swarm of rotating German aircraft, each following their own tail, going round and round emmitting condensation trails. The feeling I had, and a lot of us had, was, What are these buggers doing here? How dare they? It was really quite a shock to see this vast number of black crosses and swastikas in the sky over our country. Then we all plunged in.
John Bisdee, 21st July, 609 Squadron.

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The Germans are dive-bombing a convoy out to sea; there are one, two, three, four, five, six, seven German dive-bombers, Junkers 87's. There's one going down on it's target now - bomb! No, he missed the ships...Now the British fighters are coming up. Here they come...Somebody's hit a German and he's coming down with a long streak - coming down completely out of control - a long streak of smoke - and now a man's balted out by parachute. The pilot's baled out by parachute. He's a Junkers 87, and he's going slap into the sea - and there he goes. Smash! A terrific column of water and there was a Junkers 87. Only oneman got out by parachute, so presumably there was only a crew of one in it. Now then, oh, there's a terrific mix-up over the Channel! It's impossible to tell which are our machines and which are Germans...there are fighters right over our heads...Oh boy! I've never seen anything as good as this.
Radio commentary from Charles Gardner

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'What General Weygand called the Battle of France is over. I expect the Battle of Britain is about to begin. Upon this battle depends the survival of Christian civilisations. Upon it depends our own British life and long continuity of our instituations and our Empire.
The whole fure and might of the enemy must very soon to turned on us. Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him all Europe will be free, and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands; but if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, and all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abys of a new dark age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of a perverted science.
Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duty and so bear ourselves that if the British Empire and it's Commonwealth lasts for a thousand years men will still say, 'This was their finest hour'.
Winston Churchill.

/m



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XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 11:51 PM
These extracts are taken from the superb book 'The Battle of Britain' by Matthew Parker. For the people who doubt the Battle of Britain will be any good, because of it 'being done' before, just read the following text and you'll realise just how big and important the whole thing was. For Oleg to do this will, I sincerely hope, do justice to the people who fought for our Country and the rest of Europe and, for that matter, the World. I recommend this book, it is an enthralling read.


The first time I'd seen a really large German formation. The controller on the RT said, 'One hundred-plus bandits' and then told us the direction. Moments later he said, 'Two hundred-plus bandits' and then finally he said, 'Very many bandits!'. I happened to be flying L1082, which was our oldest Spitfire and slowest. I had some difficulty keeping up, however I did more or less. I remember the incredible sight of this great swarm of rotating German aircraft, each following their own tail, going round and round emmitting condensation trails. The feeling I had, and a lot of us had, was, What are these buggers doing here? How dare they? It was really quite a shock to see this vast number of black crosses and swastikas in the sky over our country. Then we all plunged in.
John Bisdee, 21st July, 609 Squadron.

-----------------------


The Germans are dive-bombing a convoy out to sea; there are one, two, three, four, five, six, seven German dive-bombers, Junkers 87's. There's one going down on it's target now - bomb! No, he missed the ships...Now the British fighters are coming up. Here they come...Somebody's hit a German and he's coming down with a long streak - coming down completely out of control - a long streak of smoke - and now a man's balted out by parachute. The pilot's baled out by parachute. He's a Junkers 87, and he's going slap into the sea - and there he goes. Smash! A terrific column of water and there was a Junkers 87. Only oneman got out by parachute, so presumably there was only a crew of one in it. Now then, oh, there's a terrific mix-up over the Channel! It's impossible to tell which are our machines and which are Germans...there are fighters right over our heads...Oh boy! I've never seen anything as good as this.
Radio commentary from Charles Gardner

-----------------------


'What General Weygand called the Battle of France is over. I expect the Battle of Britain is about to begin. Upon this battle depends the survival of Christian civilisations. Upon it depends our own British life and long continuity of our instituations and our Empire.
The whole fure and might of the enemy must very soon to turned on us. Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him all Europe will be free, and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands; but if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, and all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abys of a new dark age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of a perverted science.
Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duty and so bear ourselves that if the British Empire and it's Commonwealth lasts for a thousand years men will still say, 'This was their finest hour'.
Winston Churchill.

/m



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XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 11:58 PM
My appetite needs no whetting!! I say bring it on!!! The Battle of Britain has been done before...but not like this sim is going to be. Think about it it will be better than IL2 or FB!!! From what I read the graphics engine alone will be almost photo realistic... WHOOOOAAAAA BABY!!!! This makes me totally rething my whole upgrade thingy though.... maybe I will just scale it down a bit and think towards the future.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 12:05 AM
Some more 'water' for the appetite, again, from the book. This gives an indication of the sort of battles we can expect, even early on in the BoB, if Oleg does it justice:

On 10 July 60 Stukas, together with 75 Dornier 17s, assembled over the French coast, where they were joined by an escort of 200 Bf109's. As the formation approached the (shipping) convoy, 30 Spitfires came hurtling in......

WOW!!! The sheer numbers involved are staggering, plus just look at the odds!

/m



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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 01:38 AM
All of this talk about LARGE fighter/bomber formations is very interesting. I read somewhere that Oleg said that FB can handle 300 plus planes, provided you have a top rig(P4 3.2ghz/AMD64 FX-51), Nvidia5900 ultra 256mb/ATI 9800 pro 256mb AND a minimum of 2gigs of RAM. I will be testing this theory in the next two weeks and will post my results here.

With the new eye-candy to come in BOB 2005 and the increase in CPU power, what kind of rig will be top of the food chain at that point? 5.0ghz processors will most likely be needed to have those larger formations to run properly. Most folks will still be in the 3-4 ghz range, so don't expect to be able to run that kind of mission unless you have 4-5 grand to spend on a top rig at "that" time. I don't think folks will be able to run anymore planes than they can with FB and their current systems now.



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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 01:47 AM
I'll be putting in extra hours for a rig to play that beauty. And no need to wet my whistle for Oleg's BOB. I'll be daydreaming until Q1, 2005!



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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 02:24 AM
ICAG_Bader wrote:
- These extracts are taken from the superb book 'The
- Battle of Britain' by Matthew Parker. For the people
- who doubt the Battle of Britain will be any good,
- because of it 'being done' before, just read the
- following text and you'll realise just how big and
- important the whole thing was. For Oleg to do this
- will, I sincerely hope, do justice to the people who
- fought for our Country and the rest of Europe and,
- for that matter, the World. I recommend this book,
- it is an enthralling read.
-
-
- The first time I'd seen a really large German
- formation. The controller on the RT said, 'One
- hundred-plus bandits' and then told us the
- direction. Moments later he said, 'Two hundred-plus
- bandits' and then finally he said, 'Very many
- bandits!'. I happened to be flying L1082, which was
- our oldest Spitfire and slowest. I had some
- difficulty keeping up, however I did more or less. I
- remember the incredible sight of this great swarm of
- rotating German aircraft, each following their own
- tail, going round and round emmitting condensation
- trails. The feeling I had, and a lot of us had, was,
- What are these buggers doing here? How dare they? It
- was really quite a shock to see this vast number of
- black crosses and swastikas in the sky over our
- country. Then we all plunged in.
- John Bisdee, 21st July, 609 Squadron.
-
------------------------
-
-
- The Germans are dive-bombing a convoy out to sea;
- there are one, two, three, four, five, six, seven
- German dive-bombers, Junkers 87's. There's one going
- down on it's target now - bomb! No, he missed the
- ships...Now the British fighters are coming up. Here
- they come...Somebody's hit a German and he's coming
- down with a long streak - coming down completely out
- of control - a long streak of smoke - and now a
- man's balted out by parachute. The pilot's baled out
- by parachute. He's a Junkers 87, and he's going slap
- into the sea - and there he goes. Smash! A terrific
- column of water and there was a Junkers 87. Only
- oneman got out by parachute, so presumably there was
- only a crew of one in it. Now then, oh, there's a
- terrific mix-up over the Channel! It's impossible to
- tell which are our machines and which are
- Germans...there are fighters right over our
- heads...Oh boy! I've never seen anything as good as
- this.
- Radio commentary from Charles Gardner
-
------------------------
-
-
- 'What General Weygand called the Battle of France is
- over. I expect the Battle of Britain is about to
- begin. Upon this battle depends the survival of
- Christian civilisations. Upon it depends our own
- British life and long continuity of our
- instituations and our Empire.
- The whole fure and might of the enemy must very soon
- to turned on us. Hitler knows that he will have to
- break us in this island or lose the war. If we can
- stand up to him all Europe will be free, and the
- life of the world may move forward into broad,
- sunlit uplands; but if we fail, then the whole
- world, including the United States, and all that we
- have known and cared for, will sink into the abys of
- a new dark age made more sinister, and perhaps more
- protracted, by the lights of a perverted science.
- Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duty and so
- bear ourselves that if the British Empire and it's
- Commonwealth lasts for a thousand years men will
- still say, 'This was their finest hour'.
- Winston Churchill.
-
- /m
-
-



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Who said the sim wouldn't be any good? I know I am one who said in another thread that "it's been done before". That's not to take away from Oleg's ability to make a great BoB sim. I sure don't see how saying "it's been done before" takes anything away from the historical importance of the REAL BoB. TWO different subjects, and I haven't read a put-down on the latter in these forums. So take a valium, or smoke a spliff. No one is knocking the real battle. In fact I have at least two books on the subject that have been in my collection for over twenty years, and they have been re-read several times each by me. We Yanks are well aware of it's place in history during a very desparate time, thank you. So, as someone who also still owns Rowan;s BoB I feel justified in saying it's been done before. That sim was all the rave when it came out, and still enjoys fan-based mods and high interest. So don't go there. Last I read, the Allies were successful, and free speech was maintained (in the west, initially).

Oleg will produce a BoB sim. It will be great. No Med/North Africa sim for the moment. Alright. I wait.
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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 04:10 AM
I will get in trouble here, but I excel at it...

World War 2 flight sims have ALL been done before. Med is ~cool~ but same aircraft as Western Europe--forget tiny little "mods" for the desert. What we need is Spanish Civil WAR mixed with a little Mongolia with Soviets vs Japan.

Now, if Oleg could do some butt kick North African sand dunes, I could take my Meds and be Happy. Just check out the scenes of the Lexx crew flying over sandunes in season 3 LEXX.