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Chuck_Older
07-14-2004, 10:43 AM
I can't beleive this muzzle flash thing is going on again. We have done this what, a dozen times?

Oleg has in the past flat out stated it's not going to be changed.

It's time to act like reasonable grown up type people, and accept it.

Threatening to not buy PF won't help

Saying Oleg's reasoning isn't good enough won't help

Bringing it up 5 times a day won't help

Would the muzzlewhiners (sorry, couldn't resist) please understand that at this point in time, when other, newer sims are being focused on, an issue like this simply isn't what we call a "driver" in my business: no further development relies on the muzzle flash issue. It's not going to be addressed. Learn to live with that. Boycott all 1C:maddox products if you feel this makes your point. I don't care, but get used to the idea that muzzle flashes are staying just the way they are, because no matter how long you can hold your breath, Oleg has better things to spend his time on. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Chuck_Older
07-14-2004, 10:43 AM
I can't beleive this muzzle flash thing is going on again. We have done this what, a dozen times?

Oleg has in the past flat out stated it's not going to be changed.

It's time to act like reasonable grown up type people, and accept it.

Threatening to not buy PF won't help

Saying Oleg's reasoning isn't good enough won't help

Bringing it up 5 times a day won't help

Would the muzzlewhiners (sorry, couldn't resist) please understand that at this point in time, when other, newer sims are being focused on, an issue like this simply isn't what we call a "driver" in my business: no further development relies on the muzzle flash issue. It's not going to be addressed. Learn to live with that. Boycott all 1C:maddox products if you feel this makes your point. I don't care, but get used to the idea that muzzle flashes are staying just the way they are, because no matter how long you can hold your breath, Oleg has better things to spend his time on. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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ZG77_Nagual
07-14-2004, 11:26 AM
I think it's a case of becoming what you despise. People get all on about these 'muzzle flashes' and they can't see past it.

therealhartmann
07-14-2004, 11:29 AM
Yep thats the problem!

The muzzle flashes are so freakin huge you cant see past em!

sapre
07-14-2004, 11:36 AM
Turn the tinnted reticle dimmer thing on.
it'll help a bit.

crazyivan1970
07-14-2004, 11:38 AM
No, the problem is everyone starts to sream bloody murder, jump into conclusions etc..etc.. and when developers come out and say, sorry guys, we are limited here and can`t change it, their voices get lost and none pays attention.

I flew 109 series since demo times and last thing that bothered me is this dreaded muzzle flash. There are 3 position in the pit zoom wise... zoom out and you`ll be fine. Everything has to turn into cult around here....cult of 190s pit, cult of 50 cal spread, cult of muzzle flashes.. i wonder what`s next... And amazingly it`s a same group of people give or take few.. must be a quality control department http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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PraetorHonoris
07-14-2004, 11:49 AM
Well, Ivan, the engine must be very limited, if there is only the option to increase the size of the muzzle flashes. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

I understand people who usually don't fly German planes don't care about that.
That doesnt make better, does it?

Try zoom out when you are in a 110 and shoot with the MK108, Ivan. There is no way to look what is in front of you.
It is not that bad in a 109 or 190, but it is at least annoying.

Ivan, you once called CFS3 "cartoonish". What are these muzzle flashes then?


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crazyivan1970
07-14-2004, 11:59 AM
As a matter of fact 110 is my second favorite plane and probably the only one that affected by muzzle flash, i never said it`s not an issue. But, the asnwer was given by O.M. and this is how it`s going to be. That`s all i am saying.

As far as annoying goes...then more you think about it, then more annoying it gets http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I simply ignore it.

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PraetorHonoris
07-14-2004, 12:26 PM
So the result is:

It is not realistic at all, it looks cartoonish, it is at least annoying and Oleg won't change it.

Great. This is just sad and... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif I better don't write this.

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crazyivan1970
07-14-2004, 12:36 PM
He wont change it not because he doesn`t want to, or to pi$$ you off... because he can`t. How`s that?

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

PraetorHonoris
07-14-2004, 01:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
He wont change it because he can`t. How`s that?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sry, I don't believe that, because they increased the size already and changed the size of the BB gun's muzzle flash e.g.

Maybe it is really not possible to decrease the size. I don't know anything about programming.
But that doesn't make the situation better.

However, it is still sad...


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LEXX_Luthor
07-14-2004, 01:18 PM
PH:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I don't know anything about programming.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>mmm, well I do and C++ is the most Evil Cult of them all. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif Its a nasty and totally mangled programming language.

I am wondering if the C/C++ language syntax is what causes games (and operating systems) to always be releaced Late. Always.

flew FB He~162 yesterday. Muzzle flash is not a problem, but the cockpit just turns all bright yellow when firing guns at 12 noon. Disgusting. This is a new plane, why did Oleg over~do the cockpit flash on a brand new plane?


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faustnik
07-14-2004, 01:35 PM
Another reality check here. Muzzle flashes are a problem for many a/c. Try the Mig-3 or I-185. Yeah it sucks in the 190 but, we are not alone.

Ivan,

Can I form a 190 climb rate cult please. Is there a form I have to fill out? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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crazyivan1970
07-14-2004, 01:42 PM
Be my guest faustnik hehe.

Alot of people don`t like me now....comes with the job i guess http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

LEXX_Luthor
07-14-2004, 01:45 PM
Means you are doing your job.

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TheJoyStick
07-14-2004, 02:28 PM
Yeah.. The flash is kinda crazy..

Kinda like not being able to see the forest for the trees..

Can't see the flash for the.. flash? It's big. Doesn't really bother me, though, just have to shoot straigh thte first time.

faustnik
07-14-2004, 02:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Be my guest faustnik hehe.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sweet! Then the official FockeWulf Undermodeled Climb Whiners Association, aka FUCWA, is sanctioned! My first action is to go on a hunger strike until 1C adjusts climb rates or until dinner, whichever comes first.

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crazyivan1970
07-14-2004, 03:02 PM
It`s dinner time!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Chuck_Older
07-14-2004, 03:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheJoyStick:


Can't see the flash for the.. flash? It's big. Doesn't really bother me, though, just have to shoot straigh thte first time.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif you might even say it helps you learn to hit what you aim at the first time.

I have been surprised at the size of muzzle flashes in FB personally, but I never ever felt like it cost me a hit on an enemy, flying any plane

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LeadSpitter_
07-14-2004, 04:38 PM
im not buying pf unless we have the ability to move the maps sfs and aircraft sfs's of fb/aep over into the PF slightly tweaked engine. best way to hurt them is in the pocket if they dont listen to the communitys choice of wanting choice from one title.

Muzzleflashse are overmodeled on alot of aircraft but others like the stumovik is pretty correct seeing daylight photos of the cannon flash. Me personally have got use to the muzzleflashes theres also not many nose cannon aircraft in PF so i dont see how that would stop people from buy PF. p39 p38
also the muzzleflashs are just an fx and can be easily changed, it certainly is very possible to change them quickly but they are not and wont change them said it 100s of times so i dont know why people keep bringing the muzzleflash debate up.

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WWMaxGunz
07-14-2004, 04:54 PM
It's just a little difficult to correct your aim when you can't see where the tracers
are going. Or bullet splash unless you stop firing. Or smoke from hits.

I've seen people here try and start "Flame the Mod" cults, but they always seem to be
gone soon after. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif Something about "vacation", I think to internet Gulag. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif


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pcisbest
07-15-2004, 12:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
He wont change it not because he doesn`t want to, or to pi$$ you off... because he can`t. How`s that?

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Ivan, just changing the characters in a word doesnt change its meaning, agreed? LOL http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BfHeFwMe
07-15-2004, 12:46 AM
Reality suggz and doesn't sell very well, but always a strong market for cartoons.

MatuDa
07-15-2004, 01:15 AM
Chuck&Co, I'm fine with the idea that the muzzleflashes are not an issue to you.

Maybe you could also accept that they are an issue for just about everyone who joined in the mf-thread (&gt;90% wanted them reduced) and the thread went on for ages.

Claiming that it is impossible to change is a lie.

Looking at a camera picture of a huge flame in front of a barrel is not relevant since the film oversaturates greatly. IRL the flashes didn't ruin your vision during the day.

IRL pilots were able to "walk" their hits by correcting the aim according to the hits and/or tracers. ATM we cannot see anything while firing on many planes.

Since gunnery is the single most important aspect of ww2 aircombat this is an important issue.

Why was the thread closed? it wasn't a circus and people for maybe the first time agreed on something here. It also stayed on topic for the whole duration. Most people were asking for the dev team to join in the discussion and listen to their fans/customers. Instead the thread gets the lock for no valid reason http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

Very sad for all. This is supposed to be the place to communicate with the developer but instead the community is denied the possibility to discuss "sensitive" subjects. The forum is getting more stalinistic. suck up or shut up is the trend.

JG5_UnKle
07-15-2004, 04:37 AM
If you think back to the early demo days the muzzle flashes were actually bigger then. They were reduced for IL-2 retail.

I don't understand why they can't be reduced further as it was done before? OK if Oleg says no time to do it then OK, but why all the extra eye candy - I'm not a programmer so I don't get it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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609IAP_Recon
07-15-2004, 05:46 AM
"im not buying pf unless we have the ability to move the maps sfs and aircraft sfs's of fb/aep over into the PF slightly tweaked engine. best way to hurt them is in the pocket if they dont listen to the communitys choice of wanting choice from one title."

Well interesting Lead.

I know people don't like this - but at the same time, does it really make sense to have aircraft flying in the pacific that don't belong?

With that approach we have zero's flying on the eastern front.

At first, I didn't like that either, but after some time, I actually am glad it will be a separate install.

I plan on flying both games - and do hope there can be some sort of merge eventually - but at first, I'd like to keep it pure.

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Chuck_Older
07-15-2004, 08:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MatuDa:


Claiming that it is impossible to change is a lie.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So I'm a liar, is that it?

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crazyivan1970
07-15-2004, 08:43 AM
No Chuck, Oleg is a liar according to this gentleman. And i locked perfect, well thought out discussion, how lame of me. Amazing...

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

JG51Beolke
07-15-2004, 09:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
I can't beleive this muzzle flash thing is going on again. We have done this what, a dozen times?

Oleg has in the past flat out stated it's not going to be changed.

It's time to act like reasonable grown up type people, and accept it.

Threatening to not buy PF won't help

Saying Oleg's reasoning isn't good enough won't help

Bringing it up 5 times a day won't help

Would the muzzlewhiners (sorry, couldn't resist) please understand that at this point in time, when other, newer sims are being focused on, an issue like this simply isn't what we call a "driver" in my business: no further development relies on the muzzle flash issue. It's not going to be addressed. Learn to live with that. Boycott all 1C:maddox products if you feel this makes your point. I don't care, but get used to the idea that muzzle flashes are staying just the way they are, because no matter how long you can hold your breath, Oleg has better things to spend his time on. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not for nothing, But who cares about Muzzle Flashes when a game like Pacific Fighters is under development. Everyone here will probably put their pre-orders in for Pacific Fighters so they can have it as soon as it comes out. And everyone in the Flight Sim Community will probably buy it as well.

Chuck_Older
07-15-2004, 09:53 AM
Thanks, Ivan, I was confused about that...it was as if it were my decison or something!

Boelcke-

my point exactly

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