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SeaFireLIV
04-17-2004, 04:39 AM
This is MY personal list of things that need adding/fixing improving to FB AEP. I got tired of always putting up one-shot ideas so decided to collate them all in one massive (little) collection! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

SeaFireLIV`s Personal List:

1. Reduce (but don`t eradicate) AI kill stealing.

2. Give us a 1st person view in the parachute.

3.Ordnance for Hurricane please (and even Spitfire ).

4. Reduce enemy effectiveness at night.

5. Don`t have enemy bombers switch on NAV lights immediately after dropping bombs and turning for home, please.

6. Please have a `What if` campaign, enabling all aircraft choices (except Mistel) within reasonable dates of course, ranging from start of war to say 1946ish. Probably for Startshoy, but can`t get on his site.

7.The Mother TB3 Sveno with I16s as a part of the standard bomber Campaign, if you want to fly the TB3 AND as pilot of the I16 Campaign, if you want to fly the I16. Say once or twice out of every 10 or 20 standard missions. You know what I mean. (Startshoy again).

8. More SEVERE penalties for shooting friendly aircraft (2 or more). Starshoy said ages ago he would do this, but has not and has never explained why.

9. Have AI lose you in cloud sometimes (probably not possible, but it`s here anyway).

10. Have ALL aircraft pilots use the `DEAD` slumped over pilot animation when unconscous or dead.

11. Have pilots head tracking sometimes track back to front quickly sometimes, instead of constantly staring at leader.

12. Have Leader of flight recognise when you are fighting and stop him shouting at you to keep formation (in fact just delete it altogether)!

13. Give the AI the ability to TAXI around incapacitated aircraft on runway and take off. This way they don`t get slaughtered if the first plane crashes on take off and is still on the runway.

14. At start and end of mission enable pilot a small `circle` of free movement about plane. This is to allow him to view plane before entering cockpit and after succesfully landing . Enable this even with no outside views on.

15. Random aircraft failures (such as sparkplugs causing aircraft to fail in cold weather).

16. Allow INDIVIDUAL choosing of HUD text messages. I like flying WITHOUT warning text messages, but some like `radiater` overheating seem to have no visual indication in the cockpit. So tailoring warnings would be er... cool.

17. If your 2nd (or 3rd, whatever) in command and your Flight Leader is killed, you should be given all Flight Leader Command options. At present all the wingies behind will follow you dumbly, but NOT follow any orders which makes it difficult to be effective if you become Leader while in the field. Needs changing!



That`s it for now. This IS NOT A WHINE, just what I think needs fixing and improving to help the immersion. The sim is great and very immersive and I love the smarter AI; I have some amazing fights with them in the Campaign every day. I might do a list of all the GOOD little things soon.

Notice I have not mentioned anything about Flight Models or damage Models or gun bullet dispersions - whatever. This is because I`ve never flown aircraft and never witnessed their destruction in flight. I am not an aeronautical engineering expert, so cannot comment except to say they seem to fly, fight and fall apart pretty realistically to me. I am content with that.

SeaFireLIV...


http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/mistel.jpg

Don`t worry, they`re just arguing in ORR again!

[This message was edited by SeaFireLIV on Mon April 19 2004 at 04:55 AM.]

SeaFireLIV
04-17-2004, 04:39 AM
This is MY personal list of things that need adding/fixing improving to FB AEP. I got tired of always putting up one-shot ideas so decided to collate them all in one massive (little) collection! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

SeaFireLIV`s Personal List:

1. Reduce (but don`t eradicate) AI kill stealing.

2. Give us a 1st person view in the parachute.

3.Ordnance for Hurricane please (and even Spitfire ).

4. Reduce enemy effectiveness at night.

5. Don`t have enemy bombers switch on NAV lights immediately after dropping bombs and turning for home, please.

6. Please have a `What if` campaign, enabling all aircraft choices (except Mistel) within reasonable dates of course, ranging from start of war to say 1946ish. Probably for Startshoy, but can`t get on his site.

7.The Mother TB3 Sveno with I16s as a part of the standard bomber Campaign, if you want to fly the TB3 AND as pilot of the I16 Campaign, if you want to fly the I16. Say once or twice out of every 10 or 20 standard missions. You know what I mean. (Startshoy again).

8. More SEVERE penalties for shooting friendly aircraft (2 or more). Starshoy said ages ago he would do this, but has not and has never explained why.

9. Have AI lose you in cloud sometimes (probably not possible, but it`s here anyway).

10. Have ALL aircraft pilots use the `DEAD` slumped over pilot animation when unconscous or dead.

11. Have pilots head tracking sometimes track back to front quickly sometimes, instead of constantly staring at leader.

12. Have Leader of flight recognise when you are fighting and stop him shouting at you to keep formation (in fact just delete it altogether)!

13. Give the AI the ability to TAXI around incapacitated aircraft on runway and take off. This way they don`t get slaughtered if the first plane crashes on take off and is still on the runway.

14. At start and end of mission enable pilot a small `circle` of free movement about plane. This is to allow him to view plane before entering cockpit and after succesfully landing . Enable this even with no outside views on.

15. Random aircraft failures (such as sparkplugs causing aircraft to fail in cold weather).

16. Allow INDIVIDUAL choosing of HUD text messages. I like flying WITHOUT warning text messages, but some like `radiater` overheating seem to have no visual indication in the cockpit. So tailoring warnings would be er... cool.

17. If your 2nd (or 3rd, whatever) in command and your Flight Leader is killed, you should be given all Flight Leader Command options. At present all the wingies behind will follow you dumbly, but NOT follow any orders which makes it difficult to be effective if you become Leader while in the field. Needs changing!



That`s it for now. This IS NOT A WHINE, just what I think needs fixing and improving to help the immersion. The sim is great and very immersive and I love the smarter AI; I have some amazing fights with them in the Campaign every day. I might do a list of all the GOOD little things soon.

Notice I have not mentioned anything about Flight Models or damage Models or gun bullet dispersions - whatever. This is because I`ve never flown aircraft and never witnessed their destruction in flight. I am not an aeronautical engineering expert, so cannot comment except to say they seem to fly, fight and fall apart pretty realistically to me. I am content with that.

SeaFireLIV...


http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/mistel.jpg

Don`t worry, they`re just arguing in ORR again!

[This message was edited by SeaFireLIV on Mon April 19 2004 at 04:55 AM.]

LEXX_Luthor
04-17-2004, 05:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>This IS NOT A WHINE<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL

Would be nice to Edit hud text messages, if it were to be placed in a text file to be read by program. I would Delete all messages except...

Fuel Leak
Radiator settings (only cos they are cyclic and too many)
Player Wounded/Killed
....possibly a few others, but mainly radiator.

I would Edit the massive "boost" messages to say something small like "GM1" for just "b" as a reminder of boost.

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Turn off AI-AI collisions while AI is taxiing on ground. This will prevent explosions and the eventlog can record parked aircraft that may be destroyed by enemy air/ground action.



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warriorbear
04-17-2004, 08:05 PM
PLS
Give us some better weather choices. Also make a selection for random pilots in full mission builder so that all are not ACES maybe just there leader.

PS fix the incremental flaps on the later hurries.

warriorbear

Extreme_One
04-18-2004, 03:25 AM
Great list Seafire.

A couple of things though.

12. Have Leader of flight recognise when you are fighting and stop him shouting at you to keep formation (in fact just delete it altogether)!

You can do this your self mate. I forget the exact names of the wav files to delete (or just rename) but they're in the Actor1 folder and are named in such a way that you'll find the right files easily.

15. Random aircraft failures (such as sparkplugs causing aircraft to fail in cold weather).

I could be wrong but I thought that this feature was enabled in v1.0 and disabled in a later patch because many people thought it was a bug. Like I said I could be wrong (maybe I dreamt ithttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

Anyway I'd love to see all the features you mention implemented (maybe a bit late in the day for FB though - perhaps for BoB)

S! Simon
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Download the USAAF & RAF campaign folders here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-10.html).

Download "North and South" including the Japanese speech-pack here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-12.html). *NEW*

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SeaFireLIV
04-18-2004, 04:59 AM
Thnx, Extreme-One. I will do that (again). And you`re right about the failures, it WAS in FB before, but then was removed as said in the patch readme. There was no reason why it was removed, I can only assume it was because it never actually did anything, I never, ever had any kind of failure in any plane due to spark plugs when it was active. Had I seen its effects at the time I would have given Oleg Kudos for it! Perhaps they need to increase the frequency of spark plug failures.

(edit: I never realised people thought it was a bug! Is that true? Oleg should not have given in so easily, but just explained or added a HUD `sparkplug fail` message. We should still have it!)

SeaFireLIV...


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Don`t worry, it`s just the Beta-Patch Time bomb exploding!

Extreme_One
04-18-2004, 05:05 AM
SeaFireLIV please check you private topics.

S! Simon
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Download the USAAF & RAF campaign folders here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-10.html).

Download "North and South" including the Japanese speech-pack here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-12.html). *NEW*

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Monty_Thrud
04-18-2004, 07:31 AM
I must say the reason i love to fly the MkI Hurricane is the engine cut out due to the carbs...i have a couple of tracks with this happening mid DF, with me still fireing on the enemy (G50) and trying to start the plane at the same time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif...who says men cant multitask http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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ImpStarDuece
04-18-2004, 07:44 AM
Excellent list Seafire, youv'e hit a lot of nails right on the head.

personally i'd like to see some more icon options added.

I usually fly with icons on and would like to be able to alter them so i cant see the distance and/or whether they're a friendly or not.

Kinda like the old "box around the plane" system from EAW.

"There's no such thing as gravity, the earth sucks!"

Mackane1
04-18-2004, 07:58 AM
How's about gettn' rid of the "Inyourface"
aerobatics show the friendly AI gives you
when you're trying to land. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

http://home.si.rr.com/skywolf/MACKANE.jpg

609IAP_Recon
04-18-2004, 08:15 AM
I could be wrong...but work is going into BoB to add new features - sure, new aircraft are going into the patch, etc.. but these patches are not designed to add all these type major changes to the application.

Ask for these for BoB - the patch, again, is about tweaking FM/DM and new aircraft - along with some bugs such as collisions on takeoffs, etc... not to add new feature sets.

Salute!

JG50_Recon

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SeaFireLIV
04-18-2004, 10:02 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Monty_Thrud:
I must say the reason i love to fly the MkI Hurricane is the engine cut out due to the carbs...i have a couple of tracks with this happening mid DF, with me still fireing on the enemy (G50) and trying to start the plane at the same time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif...who says men cant multitask http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
QUOTE]

Course we can multitask, whoever said we couldn`t? I had a very similar situation, I was fiddling with my plane constantly as it dipped closer and closer to a stall and fall; I adjusted prop pitch, restarted - fail, restarted-fail, adjust prop again, restart-fail, adjust again! STARTED! Like feet from the ground. That was great and really added to the sense of `I know how she works` feeling!

So failures would be nice (obviously not everytime on every flight). Nice stuff chaps!

SeaFireLIV...



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`FLY! FLY my children!`

Future-
04-18-2004, 11:50 AM
Seafire, this is a very good list of recommendations. I hereby support this with my posting.

S!

- Future

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380th Bomb Group 5th AF USAAF

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DuxCorvan
04-18-2004, 12:12 PM
Em, could we have back the AI parking in airfields w/o vanishing? This rests immersion, and therefore it could be an option.

- Dux Corvan -
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Ten thousand years of Cantabrian skinning.

DuxCorvan
04-18-2004, 12:16 PM
And those 30-feet muzzle flashes, please... they're horrible...

- Dux Corvan -
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Ten thousand years of Cantabrian skinning.

FltLt_HardBall
04-19-2004, 01:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mackane1:
How's about gettn' rid of the "Inyourface"
aerobatics show the friendly AI gives you
when you're trying to land. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

http://home.si.rr.com/skywolf/MACKANE.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Always try to play as the leader, then you can give the "Return To Base" command, and they won't try to stay in formation with you while you're landing. You can also use the "Loosen Formation" command 3 or 4 times.

There are times you can't do this, such as when your the leader's wingman, and he gets killed, then the rest of the flight will form up on you, but you can't give them any commands

SeaFireLIV
04-19-2004, 04:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FltLt_HardBall:

There are times you can't do this, such as when your the leader's wingman, and he gets killed, then the rest of the flight will form up on you, but you can't give them any commands<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, this one should be in the list too! I`ve updated it. Thnx! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Thnx to the rest of you for your comments!

SeaFireLIV...



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`FLY my children! FLY!`

Spy17
04-19-2004, 05:37 AM
I would prefer no text messages at all (could live without the mission successfull message too).

But I am troubeld by the missing radiator indicator too!
My suggestion here:

Option 1: make it possible to assign keys for radiator settings. I would use strg.1 - strng.8 for example. (easy solution would work for all planes)

Option2: make the indicators work (there must have been one)

Capt._Tenneal
04-20-2004, 01:28 PM
I hope there was a function where if you SHIFT + F2 to your flight leader's plane, you then have the command options of a flight leader show up. (Offline campaign)

I always hated the fighter missions where you're flying the # 2 or # 4 plane (the wingmen aircraft) and your mission goes for naught because your flight hits the waypoint over the target and the AI # 1 plane just follows the waypoints and immediately turns for home if no enemy is in sight, then the mission is a waste. If you have a leader's options when you SHIFT + F2 to him, you can order the "loiter' command and wait until the enemy aircraft show up.

Yes, I know you can just choose a high rank when you begin a career, but I sometimes like to start from the bottom and get promoted.