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RED_XIII13
01-18-2004, 12:12 PM
my favorite plane is the go 229, and i heard that it was going to be in the new addon. i also heard that you couldn't find information on whether or not the go 229 had hard points on the wings for bombs. it does. it can carry two 2205-lb bombs, one on each wing. it also has four 30mm MK 103 or MK 108 cannons, and i only saw two in the pictures. here is my resource: http://www.geocities.com/nedu537/go229/

i hope this can help.

RED_XIII13
01-18-2004, 12:12 PM
my favorite plane is the go 229, and i heard that it was going to be in the new addon. i also heard that you couldn't find information on whether or not the go 229 had hard points on the wings for bombs. it does. it can carry two 2205-lb bombs, one on each wing. it also has four 30mm MK 103 or MK 108 cannons, and i only saw two in the pictures. here is my resource: http://www.geocities.com/nedu537/go229/

i hope this can help.

VW-IceFire
01-18-2004, 02:43 PM
From what I've heard the version we're getting is the day fighter with I believe it was stated as 2 MK103 cannons. Those are definately brutal.

No idea about the bombload...

- IceFire
http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/spit-sig.jpg

Oblt.Emann
01-18-2004, 07:31 PM
I beleive it actually had an interior weapons bay for carrying up to 2,000 kg of bombs and torpedoes. Try looking for some pics of the surviving Go-229 V3 at NASM.

RED_XIII13
01-18-2004, 09:51 PM
it was to small of a aircraft to have a interior weapons bay for bombs of that size. all of the info that i have found states that it was planned to have four Mk 103 or Mk 108 cannons.i have found nothing that states that it only carried two cannons. i was also wondering how Mk 103 cannons compare to the me 262's cannons. are they as powerful?

RED_XIII13
01-18-2004, 10:13 PM
thx for the info

i have been doing extreme research on the go 229. from what i have found, i believe there were two types of armaments for the go 229. one of which was the four Mk 108 cannons. the other armament was the two Mk 103 cannons; the one that will be on the download. i was also wondering which Mk cannons were more powerful, the 108's or 103's?
one thing i know for a fact is that the go 299 could carry two 2205-lb bombs underneath each wing, not in a internal weapons bay.

MiloMorai
01-18-2004, 10:29 PM
Two 1000kg bombs hanging from the wooden wing.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I am looking at a concept drawing and the bomb is carried towards the rear of the center fuselage.

LuftKuhMist
01-18-2004, 10:30 PM
German wood is pretty strong.

http://www.geocities.com/nedu537/go229/3view.jpg

Strange thing is that we see two guns on this drawing which was on the same page which claims it had 4 guns.

http://www.ckoi.com/ckoi2/images/comiques/normales/0000022.JPG

MiloMorai
01-18-2004, 10:37 PM
Yes, the Ta154 was strong.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Now what glue were the Hortens using?

WUAF_Badsight
01-19-2004, 12:13 AM
Mk103 are FAR SUPERIOR for air 2 air combat

your not supposed to use either 103 or 108 for dogfighting tho ......

yea right

Oblt.Emann
01-19-2004, 01:06 AM
Now that I think about it, there wouldn't even be ROOM for a weapons bay, with the Go-229's huge landing gear being stowed in the underside. I guess its bombs would be hung near the end of the center section.

LuftKuhMist
01-19-2004, 01:21 AM
German wood is so strong that you can carry a B17's bombload under a flying wing.

Latest german engines were made of wood.

Hitler's brain was made of wood also.

http://www.ckoi.com/ckoi2/images/comiques/normales/0000022.JPG

Fornixx
01-19-2004, 02:40 AM
I have sources that say Himmlers balls were made of wood too.

xanty
01-19-2004, 05:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LuftKuhMist :
German wood is pretty strong.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, not nearly as strong as russian wood. They say Wolverine will use it in the 3rd part of X-men. Says something no?

Russian wood won the war! (:P happy monday. Silliness off)

RED_XIII13
01-19-2004, 08:40 AM
what do you mean by center section?
where is that on the plane?

MiloMorai
01-19-2004, 09:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RED_XIII13:
what do you mean by center section?
where is that on the plane?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Along the CL for one bomb and just off the CL for 2 bombs.



Long live the Horse Clans.

JG26Red
01-19-2004, 12:21 PM
MK103 shots faster, has better velocity and better accuracy, but its also heavier than the 108... much better gun to blow up planes with...

also, i remember somewhere oleg saying the 229 wouldnt be a easy plane to fly, be rather hard and bad controlability...

MiloMorai
01-19-2004, 12:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG26Red:
MK103 shots faster, has better velocity and better accuracy, but its also heavier than the 108... much better gun to blow up planes with...

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

sorry Red

MK103 - 540r/m
MK108 - 650r/m



Long live the Horse Clans.

JG26Red
01-19-2004, 12:41 PM
hmmmmmm, i knew it had better velocity, thought it would shoot faster too, just a assumption know it all.. sorry.. hang me later..

LuftKuhMist
01-19-2004, 01:58 PM
By the way, RED_XIII13 is right about the horten... I would never have thought that it could carry a payload as heavy as that... anyway these were just estimations.

I have found the info yesterday before sleeping in a WWII weapon encyclopedia I have at home. By the way, in that book they omitted the BF109... so they might be wrong too...

http://www.ckoi.com/ckoi2/images/comiques/normales/0000022.JPG

butch2k
01-19-2004, 02:50 PM
Haven't checked my data on the Ho IX in a long time but AFAIR largest payload was an SC500 on the center section.

RED_XIII13
01-19-2004, 07:23 PM
i was also wondering if anyone could tell me how Mk 103 cannons compare to the me 262's cannons.

does anyone know if it is possible to dogfight in the go 229 after lots of practice, or is it strictly a ground attacker?

Oblt.Emann
01-19-2004, 11:09 PM
As it states in "The Horten Ho 229: Technical History" by David Myhra, the Horten wouldn't have been appriopriate as a dogfighter due to its large wingspan. But it would be quite a good BnZ and ground attack aircraft to its speed and very slim target profile. I'd consider it as a heavy fighter/fast bomber.

Oblt.Emann
01-20-2004, 05:36 PM
Bump

FW190fan
01-20-2004, 06:22 PM
I think it would have been a superb recon aircraft.

High ceiling, long range, great speed...

http://people.aero.und.edu/~choma/lrg0645.jpg

RED_XIII13
01-21-2004, 05:20 PM
does anyone know if the go 229 will have a ejection seat?

Oblt.Emann
01-21-2004, 05:39 PM
The He-162 will have one, so I don't see why the Horten wouldn't.