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elephant_il2
04-01-2004, 03:12 PM

elephant_il2
04-01-2004, 03:12 PM
I thing that open canopy option is a must for PF especially with carrier take offs and landings.I asked Luthier about this but he didn't replied.What do you think?

ARSNL
04-01-2004, 03:13 PM
I voted yes because it would be cool. But I would certainly not be dissapointed otherwise.

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olaleier
04-01-2004, 03:18 PM
Definately yes, the more features the better. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I would presume opening the canopy would turn the benign engine kitty-purr into a roaring lion form hell...we'll see. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

What was the reason for taking off with open canopies anyway? To get out faster if you ended up in the water?

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elephant_il2
04-01-2004, 03:22 PM
Whithout doubt is only eye candy if it doesn't produce some drug as it should be.But look at actual Pacific photos and tell me how often do you see open canopies?

JG7_Rall
04-01-2004, 03:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by olaleier:
Definately yes, the more features the better. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I would presume opening the canopy would turn the benign engine kitty-purr into a roaring lion form hell...we'll see. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

What was the reason for taking off with open canopies anyway? To get out faster if you ended up in the water?

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I think the main reason was visibility...but I remember reading that they didn't take showers too often and after being on a ship surrounded by heat and salt water, a good blast in the face with fresh air didn't hurt http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Could be just fiction, though.

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elephant_il2
04-01-2004, 03:34 PM
olaleier wrote:What was the reason for taking off with open canopies anyway? To get out faster if you ended up in the water?

I think to improove visibility by taking out the head and look forward from one side.I have seen also movies of Zeros taking off from carrier in which you can see the pilot sitting so high that his head is upper than the canopy frame in open position.

olaleier
04-01-2004, 03:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by elephant_il2:
Whithout doubt is only eye candy if it doesn't produce some drug as it should be.But look at actual Pacific photos and tell me how often do you see open canopies?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

More often than not. This was the first relevant pic (carrier landing/takeoff) I found when googling "Corsair".

http://www.web-birds.com/usmc/vmf312/corsair.jpg

The external model is one thing...the cockpit model and sound is another. Might add alot of work.

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F19_Orheim
04-01-2004, 03:37 PM
Open canopies for "leaning out" would be great, but as this engine won't allow headmovements other than turns (the way cockpits are made), I see no point in makeing openable canopies.

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bosta1
04-01-2004, 06:24 PM
Hello!Guys!
I saw many SBD Dauntless with opened canopy
seeking for hunting Zeros before atacking
enemy ship.
It would be nice to check six with the open canopy.

necrobaron
04-01-2004, 06:30 PM
Opening canopies would be great,but certainly not essential. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Covino
04-01-2004, 06:45 PM
A canopy open option would be useless without a leaning function. This would only delay the development of flyable planes so I choose "No."

The12342sainT
04-01-2004, 07:32 PM
I have a feeling open canopys will be encluded; if not in the initial release then definately in a later release.
Seems like the type of detail that Oleg Madox development shines with.
I like realistic physics and I heard that open canopys produce a lot of drag...

Mitlov47
04-01-2004, 07:48 PM
The development team only has so many man-hours of labor that they can put out. Every hour spent developing an "open canopy" option is one less hour designing missions or modeling extra aircraft. I vote "no."

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belairpost
04-01-2004, 07:54 PM
Open the HOOD, I vote Yes. Canopies were opened to allow fast exit. No ejection seats on these guys, and unside down in the water was hell.

HarryVoyager
04-01-2004, 08:13 PM
The open canopy was only for getting out faster in the case of an accident.

At the effective airstream speeds those aircraft flew at, you simply could not stick you face outside the protection of the windscreen without losing chunks of it to any small debris.

Frankly the USN aircraft had more than large enough cockpits to premit ample head movement without putting one's head out into the airstream.

Harry Voyager

Just to drive this home, assume you ar landing on a carrier moving 100mph, relative to the ambiant air. It's a reasonable landing speed.

Now, consider a straw (such hay) floating in the air that you are passing through, or kicked up by the prop wash, or what not.

At a 100 mph, relative velocity difference, if it hits endwise, a peice of straw will go through two feet of structural wood. You know, building material.

What would this peice of straw do if it hit, say, your head?

[This message was edited by HarryVoyager on Thu April 01 2004 at 07:25 PM.]

LEXX_Luthor
04-01-2004, 09:03 PM
I kinda regret this now, but because lack of head movement, I just voted no. But just after I hit the VOTE button, I realize you may be able to open canopy while in flight, that may eliminate some canopy bars at the side especially for Zero maybe, although at the price of clustering them up at the rear. So I could go either way.

Cool HELLCAT pilot story of how he had oil on windshield and took his sock off, opened canopy, and wiped enough oil off so he could see some. We need to do that too sometimes.

But how to map the Take Off Sock key? Oh, the confusion. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Oso2323
04-02-2004, 10:23 AM
I think we're forgetting that sometimes pilots got hot. It is somewhat warm down there in the tropics, isn't it. And personally, I think nothing looks cooler than a Spitfire with an open canopy (I'm betting that we'll get a mk VIII as well as a few Seafires)

Fennec_P
04-02-2004, 10:41 AM
I have a feeling open canopys will be encluded; if not in the initial release then definately in a later release.

Oleg sez opennable canopies in BoB.

Dash_C.
04-02-2004, 06:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Frankly the USN aircraft had more than large enough cockpits to premit ample head movement without putting one's head out into the airstream.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah, but will we have ample head movement in PF? (regardless of open/closed canopy option)

Adair_Smith
04-02-2004, 06:50 PM
I voted yes too. As well as carrier take offs and landings, there is also the Pacific climate to consider. Sitting in a tiny enclosed cockpit doing your preflight while the outside temperature is over 40 degrees would have you passing out in no time. Most of you from warmer regions would know how stifling it is to sit in a car with all the windows closed for even a short length of time. Here in Australia, even half an hour in such conditions can (and does) kill.

Stuck in a little perspex glasshouse in the middle of the pacific? No thanks. Canopy open for me.

Added to that, At an early stage of the Pacific conflict, when Japanese still favoured manouverability over speed. Open canopies were still common. Particilarly when you were flying an aircraft without armour plate or self sealing fuel tanks.

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necrobaron
04-02-2004, 06:59 PM
Not to mention opened canopies made it easier to bail out of damaged and stricken planes. Plenty of pilots opened the hood(if it wasn't already)when they were nursing damaged planes back to base.

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heywooood
04-02-2004, 07:03 PM
whats the point - you want to hear a louder engine ? press f2 or turn your speakers up.

The headlean would be ok - some spit pilots were said to have opened their hoods before battle so in case of fire they could bail quicker.. but we press ctrl-e- .. so?..

And most important of all is the Whine I can already hear about how "I can open my canopy - but I cant stand up or climb out onto the wing or walk across the flightdeck and go have a beer with Joe the armorer".. whaaaa

olaleier
04-02-2004, 07:14 PM
Ah...the old "is it practical" argument.

It's a nice feature, adds to the game, but perhaps not for
cut-to-the-chase online-only crowd.

One thing Lock On does well is the sound of rushing air...when
you finish a tough mission, land and slow down, the rush fades away and you get that "ahh! back home!" feeling.

Then taxi back to parking, if you open the canopy on the way everything gets alot louder and you can hear the other planes alot better. Sort of a "busy airbase, busy war" feeling.

Makes for nice screenies too. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

All those real pics of landind Hellcats with open canopies and you're not able to replicate it...(folding wings anyone?) Not to mention coming home with some damage...dropping gear, hook and flaps and sliding back canopy on base...the sudden roar of the engine will add alot to the tension, I promise!


Let's not pretend every single feature in IL-2/FB was practical and there to cater for the online competition, some feature-candy is good.

The only reason against it is dev-time/resources.

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heywooood
04-02-2004, 07:51 PM
in retrospect - my earlier post was harsh and brutal - not to mention caustic and abrasive - hey.. really.

I guess it would be cool to slide the window back and hear the rushing wind (like my lil I16 has).. and watch the replay after as i land on the deck without re-kitting the airplane.. man I look cool up there...

I'm sorry.

TartarSauce23rd
04-02-2004, 10:06 PM
Bump.

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LEXX_Luthor
04-02-2004, 10:07 PM
Will speed suffer if we open canopy? Like what happened to the (real life) MiG~3?

Ted04
04-03-2004, 09:04 AM
open cockpits are a must! Not for noise, but for visibility. It was a requirement of the time, to take off and come aboard with canopy open.

http://history.navy.mil/photos/images/g10000/g10613.jpg

http://history.navy.mil/photos/images/g260000/g269036.jpg

http://history.navy.mil/photos/images/h97000/h97540.jpg

MetalG.
04-03-2004, 09:54 AM
If not too hard to program, open canopies would be very nice. CFS2 had em, and they made for cool screenshots! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

heywooood
04-03-2004, 12:24 PM
Those are GREAT pix, Ted04..

thanks for sharing them ~S~

BtW - do you happen to know what city the Brewster is flying over?.. is it stateside?

Reason I ask is that I have a few photos of P51's flying over San Diego in the 40's - they were assembled and flight tested here along with B25's when North American had a plant in CA. Lots of Navy 'cats too with North Island having been a USN airbase since then.

Ted04
04-03-2004, 05:29 PM
As a matter of fact, it is San Diego

SkyChimp
04-03-2004, 05:43 PM
Visibility hell. I'd keep on canopy open just to keep from cooking in the hot Pacific sun.

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JG7_Rall
04-03-2004, 07:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
Visibility hell. I'd keep on canopy open just to keep from cooking in the hot Pacific sun.

_Regards,_
_SkyChimp_
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Agreed http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
04-03-2004, 08:50 PM
Another reason was early canopies were hard to open and pilots were afraid of getting trapped inside during combat. But, to have open canopies for all PF planes would mean they have to remod all the cockpits of planes from FB.

http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/ModelArticles/Massimo/fs4644.JPG
note rockets underwing

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HarryVoyager
04-03-2004, 11:29 PM
Also, you have to model how open cockpits would cut about 10% off the top speed of an aircraft, and otherwise adversely affect its aerodynamics.

Harry Voyager

FltLt_HardBall
04-04-2004, 10:38 AM
I hope we can get those cool telescope gunsights, too!

heywooood
04-04-2004, 12:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ted04:
As a matter of fact, it is San Diego<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

HA - I friggin knew it.

looks like the old Lane Field where the original Padres played back when Ted Williams was here. lower left corner of the pic.. maybe not.

The12342sainT
04-08-2004, 04:47 PM
Forget where it is, Check out the flying convertable! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif

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