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Bearcat99
02-17-2004, 06:44 PM
It has a Raptor F-22 on the cover..... but thats not the dicey part...inside is an article on P-47 combat by none other than Col. William Bailey..the grandfather of 361st Eagle!!!! He's not one to toot his own horn so I'll toot it......... Buy it ..... or get it somehow, its a good read.

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Bearcat99
02-17-2004, 06:44 PM
It has a Raptor F-22 on the cover..... but thats not the dicey part...inside is an article on P-47 combat by none other than Col. William Bailey..the grandfather of 361st Eagle!!!! He's not one to toot his own horn so I'll toot it......... Buy it ..... or get it somehow, its a good read.

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VW-IceFire
02-17-2004, 06:57 PM
Cool...I'll have a look around for it.

Whats the deal on the F/A-22 Raptor BTW? She in service yet?

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Bearcat99
02-17-2004, 08:48 PM
All I read so far was the P-47 article by Bailey...

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ELITE1499
02-17-2004, 09:11 PM
i havent read the article but the f22 isnt operational yet. it wont be for another few years. still has a lot of maturing to do. and besides, it wont come into service until the f-15 variants are all phased out (quite a bit from now, i can imagine). for example, until the navy phased out the a-7, the f-18 werent fully operational. to support this claim, you will never see an a-7 share a carrier deck with an f-18, both fully combat operational mind you).

thanks for the update, bearcat. ill check it out http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

p1ngu666
02-18-2004, 06:18 AM
hey bear u like that book and cd i sent ya? :P
oh i finished staligrad book, then i scared myself silly reading alien book.
190 pages and i only started in the evening http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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bird_brain
02-18-2004, 06:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Whats the deal on the F/A-22 Raptor BTW? She in service yet?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They are being flown out to Edwards AFB as they roll off the assembly line in Marietta, GA at Lockheed/GD. We ocassionally see one taking off and not coming back around here. Maybe 6 or 8 done so far?

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Zyzbot
02-18-2004, 08:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bird_brain:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Whats the deal on the F/A-22 Raptor BTW? She in service yet?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

About every 2 or 3 weeks an F-22 and a chase plane fly over Southeast Tennessee. There is usally a sonic boom as they do some speed tests with the F-22. It has become so common that people hardly comment anymore!

One of the F-22 test pilots is the brother of one of my co-workers.

JarheadEd
02-18-2004, 08:58 AM
According to Flight Journal there are 19 F/A-22's delivered. One retired already, ten at Edwards, five at Nellis, one at the factory for Avionincs testing and Two at Tyndall AFB.

In 1999 I was able to get some good up close looks at the F-22 while at Edwards. On the ramp it is remarkable how quiet the engines are while at idle, very little inlet noise. Take off is a bit odd also, quiet initial roll but once burners kicked in (If used) Jeeeeeeeeeez loooooeeezzz, those square burner cans are real tooth rattlers. Plus the Jet fuel starter the aircraft uses is a real eye opener to those not used to it. For example, the F-15 sounds like an air raid siren on start up, F/A-18's kind of have a metallic moan noise. The F-22 sounded like some one was winding a cat by the tail and launching it. I was "WTF was that!?" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

The Jug article was great too, but really my favorite of this issue is the one on Glenn Curtis.

Edit: me no spel knot so good.

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p1ngu666
02-18-2004, 01:18 PM
must remmber to look for this http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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biggs222
02-18-2004, 01:25 PM
Bear yeah i read it this past weekend. good read, too bad its only like 3 pages long. reading about the P47 makes me think it performed better then it does in FB sometimes. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Stanger_78th
02-19-2004, 11:35 AM
Thanks Bearcat for the info. I went and got the magazine. Nice read. Too bad this thread got hijacked over someone who flew 325 hours and 154 operational missions in a Jug, not couting his P-51 tour after that.
Thanks Again

p1ngu666
02-19-2004, 12:18 PM
could someone scan this for me? I live in the uk so i guess its not sold here
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bought a mag that had some stuff on mossie, paul boulten, 262 tho http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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WolfOWinter
02-21-2004, 10:00 PM
ELITE1499 writes

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for example, until the navy phased out the a-7, the f-18 werent fully operational. to support this claim, you will never see an a-7 share a carrier deck with an f-18, both fully combat operational mind you).
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I hope I just misunderstood you but...
the A7 were pulled out of mothballs to serve in gulf war I, and both the A7's and A6's are in mothballs as we speak and have been in moths balls or a number of years. There is a reason why some of the tomcats are called bombcats. the F15 came into serve as the F4's were phased out. Waiting til all the F15's to retire for the F22's to go into service would leave a huge gap, no? It takes time to train crew and pilots, if nothing else.

GR142_Astro
02-22-2004, 04:45 AM
Thanks for the heads up Bear.

So many great stories from/about these vets. Biggs222, I think the general consensus is that the Jug is getting closer to a real FM. The poor roll rate of the D27 is one of the last thing we Jug pilots are whining about. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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