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slarsson
06-15-2004, 11:06 AM
Just getting into online, and I don't want to upset the regulars, so I have a question about the dogfight servers (red vs blue).......

I know that it is bad to shoot at your own side, but is it naughty to help your own side by sneaking up on the six of an aircraft which is on the six of one of your own side? If I see a DF between a red and a blue, is it OK to help out if my colour is in trouble? Or should I just leave them to it? Clearly it is wrong to kill-steal, but I'm tallking about the situation where it is my "teammate" which is in trouble.

In other words, how co-op should you be on a DF server??

Steph Larsson
Vancouver's Island
At or about L 48? 26.06'N, Lo 123? 19.31'W

slarsson
06-15-2004, 11:06 AM
Just getting into online, and I don't want to upset the regulars, so I have a question about the dogfight servers (red vs blue).......

I know that it is bad to shoot at your own side, but is it naughty to help your own side by sneaking up on the six of an aircraft which is on the six of one of your own side? If I see a DF between a red and a blue, is it OK to help out if my colour is in trouble? Or should I just leave them to it? Clearly it is wrong to kill-steal, but I'm tallking about the situation where it is my "teammate" which is in trouble.

In other words, how co-op should you be on a DF server??

Steph Larsson
Vancouver's Island
At or about L 48? 26.06'N, Lo 123? 19.31'W

carguy_
06-15-2004, 11:11 AM
Forget about coop play in df servers.

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ASM 1
06-15-2004, 11:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by slarsson:
Just getting into online, and I don't want to upset the regulars, so I have a question about the dogfight servers (red vs blue).......

I know that it is bad to shoot at your own side, but is it naughty to help your own side by sneaking up on the six of an aircraft which is on the six of one of your own side? If I see a DF between a red and a blue, is it OK to help out if my colour is in trouble? Or should I just leave them to it? Clearly it is wrong to kill-steal, but I'm tallking about the situation where it is my "teammate" which is in trouble.

In other words, how co-op should you be on a DF server??

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dont play online YET but if I was getting my a$$ chewed off then I'd welcome the help http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I know I do when playing Wolfenstein ET (yeah different style game I know, but damn those medics are handy... beleive me, I get waxed lots of times http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif)

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NorrisMcWhirter
06-15-2004, 11:26 AM
Hi,

If you want somewhere friendly to fly in, try UK Dedicated.

It's cockpit off, has numerous scenarios, has a prized atmosphere mainly because the admin will sort out anyone giving you any trouble if you make a genuine mistake. I know. I am an admin.

Effectively, if you want to avoid online trouble, you should:

a. Avoid shooting planes on the ground/taking off unless the brief explicitly states that it is allowed.

b. Avoid shooting people who are clearly landing (i.e. they are lined up with a runway and are dropping gear) unless it is explicitly stated that they are fair game in the brief.

c. Try to stay with a team member who is on the 6 of an opponent & watch for other bandits but try to avoid "shooting over their shoulder" - wait for an opportunity to fire cleanly, such as if your teammate overshoots or breaks off. You might still get moaned at for shooting down "their" plane if they do completely overshoot but that's tough luck; their rant will be mostly due to their mistake rather than anything else.

d. Don't shoot at planes that are obviously heading into the ground...characterised by the pilot having bailed/heavy black smoke/plane broken up/plane on fire.

e. Always help a teammate who appears to be in trouble; they usually are.

The simplest rule is to ask if you are not sure because decent regulars will advise you on customs particular to a server if not explained in the brief.

Have fun.

Cheers,
Norris

PS: Co-op, as suggested, is a very good way of making sure that you are with fair minded people. There seems to be far less aggro in COOP servers than DF and, on the whole, they are more interesting.

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Yum_Yum
06-15-2004, 11:28 AM
Hello Slarsson http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ...and Norris http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

You can be as helpful as you wish on a DF serverhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Helping team mates by clearing there tails maybe an act that is returned in your favour at some time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Assisting your team mates to get an advantage over an enemy is also helpful.

There is no harm in communicating with the people you may wish to help, an by communicating you may get a deffinate answer if they actully need help or not.
Also by communicating your intension everything else should be cooperation!.

hope this give you some ideas http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Greenwidth
06-15-2004, 11:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by slarsson:
If I see a DF between a red and a blue, is it OK to help out if my colour is in trouble?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Definitely.
If the situation is reversed (your team-mate is attacking), you can still help him, and yourself, by staying above and nearby.
If his target gets the better of him, you can dive in and help and, the tracers are a magnet for others.
Basically it's being a "wingman".
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Dawg-of-death
06-15-2004, 11:49 AM
This is a WWII flight simulator KILL THE ENEMY http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by slarsson:
Just getting into online, and I don't want to upset the regulars, so I have a question about the dogfight servers (red vs blue).......

I know that it is bad to shoot at your own side, but is it naughty to help your own side by sneaking up on the six of an aircraft which is on the six of one of your own side? If I see a DF between a red and a blue, is it OK to help out if my colour is in trouble? Or should I just leave them to it? Clearly it is wrong to kill-steal, but I'm tallking about the situation where it is my "teammate" which is in trouble.

In other words, how co-op should you be on a DF server??

Steph Larsson
Vancouver's Island
At or about L 48? 26.06'N, Lo 123? 19.31'W
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BadM-F(Mongrel-Fighter)...... AKA Dawg-of-death
Former Member... Kelly Johnsons...Skunk Works

p1ngu666
06-15-2004, 12:17 PM
ya help the teammates http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
i always stay around too long trying to help someone when ive already been hit badly or nearly outa ammo or only have a few rounds left

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brimigus
06-15-2004, 12:20 PM
dude some ones always gonna be crying like a little girl with a skinned knee.Oh u cheat,nice warp etc,etc,etc best thing to do is just get up and stay up and not worry about hurting someones feelings .Cause the first time u down em there gonna be pissed

Zayets
06-15-2004, 12:49 PM
There's no such word in dogfight servers : etiquete!
Kill whatever you see,say sorry if it was on your side.Reply with "up yours" if the victim gets mad at you noob.There are no rules.Some servers have rules which are usualy in the opening screen (read briefing).Feel free to break them. Some will think you are funny , some will think you are a jerk. There's really no difference. All it matters is you. And your plane. Take care.

Zayets out

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GAU-8
06-15-2004, 01:22 PM
then you guys havent been to warclouds WITH TS running along side.

comms helps.... one reason lack of ettiquite is because of all the d@mn texting. comms relieves this pressure. considerably... texting intentions takes too long

its always reasurring to hear "you need help taking him down?" or say "i overshot.."wingy"GET HIM!!"

with comms, your buddy next to you can tell you what his intentions are..or YOU CAN ASK/TELL him your intentions...QUICKLY "i can handle him, hows my 6 lookin?"..

ettequite: definition (and i quote):"spoting good values, and excellent wingman affair, also see, WARCLOUDS 44: end quote

its in rand/mcnalley dictionary..HONEST!!! :P

RACFrankenstein
06-15-2004, 01:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zayets:
There's no such word in dogfight servers : etiquete!
Kill whatever you see, say sorry if it was on your side. Reply with "up yours" if the victim gets mad at you noob.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea, that's mature...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>There are no rules. Some servers have rules which are usualy in the opening screen (read briefing). Feel free to break them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gee, I was always under the impression that rules were in place to make sure everyone has fun and not just you...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Some will think you are funny , some will think you are a jerk. There's really no difference. All it matters is you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sorry, is this the impression we want to be giving a new player? "Some will think you're funny, some will think you're a jerk" should read "None will think you're funny and pretty much everyone will think you're a jerk"

This may be a joke and if it is I appologise for harping on you. It's just this guy (the original poster) was looking for information and he gets this kind of garbage? He asked a question and I think he deserves a well thought out answer, not this ****...

I use to play RB3D and it was people like this that pretty much put the nail in the coffin of that community. I'd hate to see it happen here too.

That's my 2 cents worth...

Dawg-of-death
06-15-2004, 01:50 PM
Kill the little http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif Blue smurfs.........

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DeBaer.534
06-15-2004, 01:56 PM
at first, im with Frankestein about Zayets.

Norris rules are a very good guideline.
no reasonable person will start moaning at you when you respect them. maybe i might add that you shouldnt shoot chutes, its very dishonorable and disrespectful against the bailed player (although those "its war" freaks will disagree, but its not war, your opponent will fly again anyway, so rather be nice)

Billy_BigBoy
06-15-2004, 03:45 PM
Everybody is looking for a kill, that's for sure. But most of us are reasonable enough to make that a foo kill. And yes, teamplayers help other teamplayers, mostly to make an (easy) kill.
When I'm in real trouble I always head for the nearest cloud or the nearest friendly. It's a lifesaver.
And yes, blue on blue happens, but mostly on the more realistic and historical servers with everything switched off. But the pilots flying on these servers are mostly really good and recognise the enemy.
So start on a more friendly server with all the basics switched on, match up, fly formation and fire every **** bullet on the first foo in your crosshairs!
Your first experience will be the one of being shot down. My ratio the first month was 10 to 1 where the 1 stands for a kill by me.
These days it's probably 1 to 2, so I'm learning. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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ruf9ii
06-15-2004, 11:44 PM
do NOT shoot at a friendly plane. in every game i've been in and someone shoots a friendly, the whole team wil gang up on the TK'er. even if your playing in a no icons game dont shoot until your certain. if its a head on and you cant dont yet have enough experience to recognise the the profile of the incoming plane, make evasive manouvres to get on his six then distinguish his plane. its better to be shot down by a friendly than to shoot down a friendly. after all, most people play for points so if he looses 300 for killin you, he;s gonna be unhappy too. if you shoot at him and you loose 300 your gonnna be unhappy and hes gonna be unhappy at you too. lose lose situation there.

i think chute shooting is acceptable if it is a scripted server and every pilot counts. otherwise its a waste of ammo. (not sure for certain, but i think if you fly underneath a chute as close as possible you can get it to collapse, killing the pilot. and u dont get credit for shooting it). this didnt work offline for me though so...
and yes, if in a DF, it is still good to get a wingman or help out a team mate. you'll find that the guys/gals in squads will help you out, is only the lone rangers that dont have a squad that will complain if you help em (complain about kill stealing) and they wont help you out either. dont be one of em.

TheKetamineKid
06-16-2004, 12:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zayets:
There's no such word in dogfight servers : etiquete!
Kill whatever you see,say sorry if it was on your side.Reply with "up yours" if the victim gets mad at you noob.There are no rules.Some servers have rules which are usualy in the opening screen (read briefing).Feel free to break them. Some will think you are funny , some will think you are a jerk. There's really no difference. All it matters is you. And your plane. Take care.

Zayets out

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What he said.

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Zayets
06-16-2004, 12:25 AM
You bunch of wussies!
Are you implying anything else? WarClouds and Greatergreen are just the exceptions confirming the rule.There is no rule in DF server.Wanna play IL2? Then stick to some virtual war or coop mission where is a goal. DF servers are just a form of airborne Quake. Everybody's looking for that nail gun to blast the other one. If there were rules,goals and anything else in DF servers then less whiners we'd see yelling about a small roll rate, or a slow climb , you name it. Whining was born in DF server because Fritz couldn't put a hole in Ivan's crate , the latest one flying an "uber plane". So get real.
Frankye,chill out dude,was some sarcasm in my post also.And as you may know already , I'm too lazy to use the spellchecker.Have a good one.

Zayets out

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RACFrankenstein
06-16-2004, 01:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RACFrankenstein:
This may be a joke and if it is I appologise for harping on you. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Like I said....

I figured there was a healthy smattering of sarcasm in that post.

Maybe I do need to "chill out". It's just that what you described is what killed a good game that I use to love. Now there's all kinds of TK'ers and other disrupters out there and I don't want to encourage them in any way, shape or form in this game.

When I see people say things like that, I respond with my heart, not my head. New players are the life blood of any game. I just want to encourage them and not give them the wrong idea.

Zayets
06-16-2004, 01:57 AM
Then is settled! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Zayets out

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