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TacticalSkirmsh
04-16-2004, 12:34 PM
It seems I run across negative statements about squadrons from time to time. The latest one was an individual who complained that folks in squads don't respond to non-squad teammates via chat because they are all on TeamSpeak uninterested in others. I have heard all sort of non-sensible things thrown at squadrons over time here.

Just like everyone else who started playing this great simulation, I started my online venture all alone too. While some days were better than others, for the most part I quickly realized folks didn't coordinate their efforts as a team, nor did individual pilots often pair up even with wingman. And while you can get kills all alone, this wasn't the realism I personally was looking for in this game.

Much to my personal disappointment coming from strategy gaming where I could play solo and be very successful, it was apparent to me that this type of gaming deserved to be played via a squad, or at least a wingman, approach.

The primary reason why I wanted to join a squadron was to participate in coordinated missions, whether they are coops, dogfights, or now on-line campaigns. I also figured that squads would accelerate my learning and provide insight and help that I would otherwise not acquire on my own.

However, while all these things have come true with my affiliation with my squad (Fightin' Irish), the online friendships and common interest in WW-II are wonderful hidden treasures I suspect most gamers who decide to join squads soon also discover for themselves.

Now, despite the many benefits that squadrons can offer, an individual who makes the investment in this game can and will become a very skilled player. However, even so, without a reliable wingman or small group of regular pilots, realistic team play will always be subject to the other gamers participating on-line in that particular server.

As it has been said numerous times, there are a large number of squads for folks to consider joining. Some are very strict requiring lots of participation and expectation. Some are very relaxed and prefer more un-realistic gameplay.

In any event, while I suppose like-minded people with "undesirable traits" may congregate at a particular squad, it is completely untrue and unfair to make blanket statements about squads.

We're just "regular joes" with families and other life commitments who do enjoy the flying company of our mates and the familiarity it brings to our gaming. We're not all bad people http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif, as you can always find such flying solo as easily as in squads, nor do we think highly of ourselves (again there's no doubt ego maniacs exist among the solo fliers).

To those interested in joining a squad, stop putting it off and start enjoying an even more realistic, and in my opinion, fun way to experience virtual WW-II flight combat! But for those who don't wish to, please stop criticizing others for doing so. And, finally, for those who have no such interest whatsoever and are enjoying this game on their own, my hat's off to you and I wish you all the best mate!

Regards,
TactS!

‚"I opened fire only when the whole windshield was black with the enemy . . . . at minimum range . . . . it doesn‚'t matter what your angle us to him or whether you are in a turn or any other maneuver.‚"Ě (Colonel Erich ‚"Bubi‚"Ě Hartmann, GAF)

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TacticalSkirmsh
04-16-2004, 12:34 PM
It seems I run across negative statements about squadrons from time to time. The latest one was an individual who complained that folks in squads don't respond to non-squad teammates via chat because they are all on TeamSpeak uninterested in others. I have heard all sort of non-sensible things thrown at squadrons over time here.

Just like everyone else who started playing this great simulation, I started my online venture all alone too. While some days were better than others, for the most part I quickly realized folks didn't coordinate their efforts as a team, nor did individual pilots often pair up even with wingman. And while you can get kills all alone, this wasn't the realism I personally was looking for in this game.

Much to my personal disappointment coming from strategy gaming where I could play solo and be very successful, it was apparent to me that this type of gaming deserved to be played via a squad, or at least a wingman, approach.

The primary reason why I wanted to join a squadron was to participate in coordinated missions, whether they are coops, dogfights, or now on-line campaigns. I also figured that squads would accelerate my learning and provide insight and help that I would otherwise not acquire on my own.

However, while all these things have come true with my affiliation with my squad (Fightin' Irish), the online friendships and common interest in WW-II are wonderful hidden treasures I suspect most gamers who decide to join squads soon also discover for themselves.

Now, despite the many benefits that squadrons can offer, an individual who makes the investment in this game can and will become a very skilled player. However, even so, without a reliable wingman or small group of regular pilots, realistic team play will always be subject to the other gamers participating on-line in that particular server.

As it has been said numerous times, there are a large number of squads for folks to consider joining. Some are very strict requiring lots of participation and expectation. Some are very relaxed and prefer more un-realistic gameplay.

In any event, while I suppose like-minded people with "undesirable traits" may congregate at a particular squad, it is completely untrue and unfair to make blanket statements about squads.

We're just "regular joes" with families and other life commitments who do enjoy the flying company of our mates and the familiarity it brings to our gaming. We're not all bad people http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif, as you can always find such flying solo as easily as in squads, nor do we think highly of ourselves (again there's no doubt ego maniacs exist among the solo fliers).

To those interested in joining a squad, stop putting it off and start enjoying an even more realistic, and in my opinion, fun way to experience virtual WW-II flight combat! But for those who don't wish to, please stop criticizing others for doing so. And, finally, for those who have no such interest whatsoever and are enjoying this game on their own, my hat's off to you and I wish you all the best mate!

Regards,
TactS!

‚"I opened fire only when the whole windshield was black with the enemy . . . . at minimum range . . . . it doesn‚'t matter what your angle us to him or whether you are in a turn or any other maneuver.‚"Ě (Colonel Erich ‚"Bubi‚"Ě Hartmann, GAF)

:FI:TacticalS!

UCLANUPE
04-16-2004, 01:09 PM
I was a dedicated offline player prior to FB. When I came to the community I had a strong sense of history and love for the Tuskegee Airmen. In this forum I met Bearcat99, who I found also shares a love for aviation and the TA. At his suggestion we formed the 99th Pursuit squadron dedicated to the efforts of the honorable Tuskegee Airmen. Over the last year we have added new members. We also have developed good working friendships with the 361st, D-13, 663rd etc... Because of me being in a squad, there are very few times when I enter HL and don't see guys I can fly with.

I would encourage anyone interested to ask in HL if you can fly coops missions with the squad. Check them out so to speak and vice versa. Check out their web site for more info and post your interest in their guest book or forums.

Squad flying has been a blast for me with FB. Prior to it, I was not remotely interested, principally based on my misconceptions of online flying and squads. Squads rock!

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[This message was edited by UCLANUPE on Fri April 16 2004 at 12:38 PM.]

BuzzU
04-16-2004, 01:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TacticalSkirmsh:
It seems I run across negative statements about squadrons from time to time. The latest one was an individual who complained that folks in squads don't respond to non-squad teammates via chat because they are all on TeamSpeak uninterested in others. I have heard all sort of non-sensible things thrown at squadrons over time here.


:FI:TacticalS!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Although this isn't true of all squads. It is true of many of them, and you can't blame someone for thinking that from what experiences they've had.

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BaldieJr
04-16-2004, 01:33 PM
Rest assured, there are some bad apples out there in squad-land. There are some cherries too, they're just less likely to make much noise, as I've recently learned.

Kudos to the latter.

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BpGemini
04-16-2004, 01:40 PM
On the other end of the spectrum, people ask questions to the host and a few expect an immediate response. I don‚'t know about other hosts but I plan to answer every question I notice. If I‚'m in a fight it may take a little time before I‚'m freed up for typing.

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georgeo76
04-16-2004, 02:42 PM
Squads enhance every aspect of this online community. And there is a squad for every taste, be it realism, or personality.

The only negative thing I can say about my squad is that I'm the worst pilot in it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif But I'm 10 x the pilot I was when I joined. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Taylortony
04-16-2004, 03:02 PM
LOL I used to be the CO of a Squad in the dim and distant and I always made a point of helping people out as much as I can, even now I try to help out not just in here but in the community help the skinning forum as well as il2skins, on top of that I try to do personal requests for skins too.................... Please no requests as I have about 7 now on the go at the moment and they are not a 5 minute job... I might later on http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Snoop_Baron
04-16-2004, 03:03 PM
Beautifuly said m8 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Buzz, I don't think Tactical's point was to blame people for having negative thoughts towards some squads but that:

1) We should be careful not to paint them all with the same brush.
2) In reality mosts squads like most individuals are just "nice regular joes."
3) There are all sorts of squads out there and you really ow it to yourself to check them out as they have a lot to offer for all types.

s!

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Bearcat99
04-16-2004, 03:06 PM
The comraderie in a squad is hard to beat.... Its hard sometimes to juggle life and responsibility and time for just playing.... but we manage and with a squad it is just more fun. The historian in me prefers the historically correct squad..... I know some guys who take that to an extreme..even taking the names of the men of thier favorite squad.. me I just lik to wear the Redtail and hang out with guys Ive come to respect. (wipes away the tear.....)

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WARHorse82
04-16-2004, 03:10 PM
I have no misconceptions about squadrons as I am new,real new.As in "so new I've never played a flight sim ever" new.But from my expeirence so far,most the guys around here are extremely helpful in helping a green-horn find his wings.I'd name everyone who's answered my Q's,but the list would be endless...Hey there's one of them now,right above me!

FI-Aflak
04-16-2004, 03:14 PM
&lt;chant&gt; FI! FI! &lt;/chant&gt;

I joined the Fighting Irish a while ago. When I first moved to Hyperlobby, they were hosting an open server.

I joined, flying the Yak-9K (which was my preferred mount at the time) and shot Fenian (one of the original FI guys) down many times in a row. This led to use talking and joking, I asked about FI, and within two days I was a full fledged member.

Its good to be in a squad, esp. one like the FI. We have a lot of fun, so sometimes you will see an FI servers with one airbase, no teams, and only P.11c flyable. Or crap plane servers which makes for a roaring good time. TB-3 vs. lots of fighters whose guns cant harm you much is a really good time. Especially with the fire extinguisher. I was flying and had every engine on fire at some point, some engine on fire twice or more, but I still scored an RTB. A good time.

We also do some ghostr skies or VOW things, and the FI is a good way for me to break into that, seeing as they are about as inexperienced as I am and I feel Ok even after I lost contact with my buddies (we were in a formation of Yak-1B's) when the Bf-109's came diving through our formation. That was scary. I see a Messerschmidt pass right in front of me, take evasive action, realize I'm all my myself. Then I pulled my map and realized the path was turned off! I eventually ID'd a base as friendly by the river patterns and made a landing, scared and alone. I did better than most of the guys that were in my formation. (it wasn't all FI guys).

But its fun to see a friend on a server to fly wing with, you becaome four times as deadly.

That said, when I'm in a Bf-110G-2 I'll fall into formation with another 110 even if its from a diff squad (I flew with Seabee from CDN4XX for a few missions, a good time. I killed some fighters that were trying to kill him).

The FI has been a perfect fit for me, and I've had much more fun since I've joined.