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LeadSpitter_
02-04-2004, 05:38 AM
Aces Expansion Official $29 "The Only one that is including aircraft" Only one to buy

http://www.il2sturmovik.de/ss_fb_dev/02-12/IL2FBAEP_front_UK.jpg
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Battle Over Europe, $29 Luthiers skin, mis, and campaign generator. Does not impress me much but I respect luthier, Buy if you have 56k Hopefully his real addon will include planes the pacific/med and will be an addon not a standalone which its probally going to be.

http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v43/leadspitter/il2fbBOE.jpg

Battle Over Europe (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/battleovereurope/news_6084960.html)

Video Clip
Battle Over Europe Video (ftp://212.13.198.211/jf/videos/boeb17mid.zip)

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Operation Barbarossa $29 CRAP!

http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v43/leadspitter/il2fbOB.jpg

Operation Barbarossa Addon (http://www.pcgameworld.com/story.php/id/1775)

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Eastern Thunder $29 Justflight

http://sturmovik.bonusweb.cz/images/easter1.jpg

theres 2 other i cant remember thier names battle for europe different then Battle Over Europe.

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Combat over Europe gmxmedia $29 total garbage says includes new aircraft


Combat Over Europe (http://www.gmxmedia.net/coe/)

http://www.gmxmedia.net/coe/screens/large/12.jpg

As someone who does skins and missions for free, it makes me sick the people who try to fool people by stating on the box it includes brandnew aircraft which they dont, selling skins and missions for 30 bucks each copy not nearly a fraction of work put into the "Aces expansion" for the same price

This is also why missions no longer are transferable online working in your cache that you can use them.

il2fb suppost to go gold in march, the gold pack will include il2fb and the aces expansion.

1cs Battle of Britian is scheduled for mid 2005 or later.


I also seen A battle for France addon over at www.netwings.org (http://www.netwings.org) supposably for BOB engine,

I have heard nothing but rumors about the pacific addon posted everywhere by AKD about luthiers email clip he seen.

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LeadSpitter_
02-04-2004, 05:38 AM
Aces Expansion Official $29 "The Only one that is including aircraft" Only one to buy

http://www.il2sturmovik.de/ss_fb_dev/02-12/IL2FBAEP_front_UK.jpg
____________________________________________

Battle Over Europe, $29 Luthiers skin, mis, and campaign generator. Does not impress me much but I respect luthier, Buy if you have 56k Hopefully his real addon will include planes the pacific/med and will be an addon not a standalone which its probally going to be.

http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v43/leadspitter/il2fbBOE.jpg

Battle Over Europe (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/battleovereurope/news_6084960.html)

Video Clip
Battle Over Europe Video (ftp://212.13.198.211/jf/videos/boeb17mid.zip)

____________________________________________


Operation Barbarossa $29 CRAP!

http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v43/leadspitter/il2fbOB.jpg

Operation Barbarossa Addon (http://www.pcgameworld.com/story.php/id/1775)

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Eastern Thunder $29 Justflight

http://sturmovik.bonusweb.cz/images/easter1.jpg

theres 2 other i cant remember thier names battle for europe different then Battle Over Europe.

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Combat over Europe gmxmedia $29 total garbage says includes new aircraft


Combat Over Europe (http://www.gmxmedia.net/coe/)

http://www.gmxmedia.net/coe/screens/large/12.jpg

As someone who does skins and missions for free, it makes me sick the people who try to fool people by stating on the box it includes brandnew aircraft which they dont, selling skins and missions for 30 bucks each copy not nearly a fraction of work put into the "Aces expansion" for the same price

This is also why missions no longer are transferable online working in your cache that you can use them.

il2fb suppost to go gold in march, the gold pack will include il2fb and the aces expansion.

1cs Battle of Britian is scheduled for mid 2005 or later.


I also seen A battle for France addon over at www.netwings.org (http://www.netwings.org) supposably for BOB engine,

I have heard nothing but rumors about the pacific addon posted everywhere by AKD about luthiers email clip he seen.

http://www.geocities.com/leadspittersig/LSIG.txt
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SeaFireLIV
02-04-2004, 05:57 AM
Thnx, LeadSpitter. And thnx too for your views of them, they may be harsh, but they are true.

SeaFireLIV...

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Dunkelgrun
02-04-2004, 06:23 AM
This deserves a bump, and perhaps a sticky?

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Extreme_One
02-04-2004, 06:31 AM
I've been approached by GMX Media about working on their next project...

Consider this please.

I'll be making 300-ish missions in 3 months-ish (if it does go ahead) That's a hell of a lot of work!
Sometimes I'll spend upto 2 hours getting one mission right! So maybe 500 hours of hard work!

Not forgetting I'll not be the only contributor...

Surely 20 isn't too much to pay - Is it?

S! Simon
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Download the RAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html).

Download the USAAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html). *NEW* Updated for FB 1.21

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TgD Thunderbolt56
02-04-2004, 06:48 AM
Not at all Simon. I would buy a mission pack you've worked on. I have ALL of the other stuff you've done (and been gracious enough to provide this far for free!). I think the concerns Leadspitter has are reflected by many others in that some of the "third-party" stuff has been second rate and/or misleading in it's advertising. I am an educated (and subsequently, skeptical) consumer and can justify almost anything to myself AND my wife, but in some cases I would rather wait or do without than to end up purchasing/using an inferior product.

Let's face it, most of us are spoiled thanks to 1C:Maddox and our expectations are high (and only get higher as time passes!)

I am disappointed to see that B-25 is only going to AI but find solace in the fact it should be flyable in the future. Nonetheless, the simple inclusion of the bf110, P-38, P-63 are enough to justify the cost to me so it's all good.

TB



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Extreme_One
02-04-2004, 06:55 AM
That's very heartening to hear Thunderbolt56.
Thanks!

I really don't weant to alienate myself from any of you guys, but the offer of being paid for something I enjoy so much is extremely tempting.

If I do get involved you can rest assured that I'll stay true to my ethos of providing quality missions!

S! Simon
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Download the RAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html).

Download the USAAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html). *NEW* Updated for FB 1.21

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LeadSpitter_
02-04-2004, 07:00 AM
you make great campaigns extremeone and you seem to be the only one making them. but think of all that work, you'll be expecting a huge check and if the product only sells 20-40 copies max, skinners, cd printing, box printing you will get only a small portion and gmx walks away with most the money when you did all the work, they dont deserve squat. I just find these packs of skins and missions ridiculous and would never buy them like many others in the community. But I support you in what you do extreme one and know you do alot of work

without the good skinners, mission makers, and campaign makers, 100s of these skins and mission packs will emerge this community wouldnt do well and will be like cfs3 fs2004 where they sell 1 thing for 30 bucks +.

Greed seems to have taken over. I spend 6-8 hrs on most my skins some more, im sure hammered and sooty spend that much time also, sooty went away and is doing the skins for Battle over europe, now we dont get his great skins because they are copyrighted and owned by another company

I wouldnt buy it to be honest.

But if they offer to pay you a set ammount up front thats generous not on how sales do I'd say goahead and do it and make some money.

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Extreme_One
02-04-2004, 07:03 AM
Apparently GMX Media's 1st addon for Il2 sold about 15000 copies!!

S! Simon
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Download the RAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html).

Download the USAAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html). *NEW* Updated for FB 1.21

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LeadSpitter_
02-04-2004, 07:24 AM
if thats true definatly go do it, and you should get 3000-5000 for 3 months of work.

http://www.geocities.com/leadspittersig/LSIG.txt
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Fehler
02-04-2004, 07:28 AM
People BUY skin packs?

What a joke! What would someone want to do that? You can get just about any skin you can think of in IL2Skins. Not to mention that every good online server turns skin downloads OFF because the code is still buggered and all the downloading/uploading lags the crap out of the game.

Buying missions? Well, that's a little more believable, but with programs like the Dynamic Campaign Generator, buying missions is sort of silly. I am sure Extremeone's missions are very good, and probably mission per mission better than what DCG can make, but I do like the ability to help affect the war by my performance in a battle.

Now, if someone could put together a good parser for statistics, complete with award designations like VEF or VOW have I would spend money for that!

My squad and I fly an online campaign three times a week. I sure would like a way to capture their statistics in an automated fashion, uploadable to our web site; complete with medal awards and life/death recognition.

Anyone know where I can buy that?

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Taylortony
02-04-2004, 07:42 AM
Well put lead http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif oh and Fehler it was a hole, http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I gotta admit i cannont see why anyone would buy skins and Mission packs when they can get em for free, must be all that fancy shiny wrapping http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ohh http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
02-04-2004, 07:42 AM
Just sit tight Fehler, the second edition of FBDaemon (FBDv2.0) will be released soon and you should see some very nice changes for the better.

And the good part is...hopefully, you won't have to buy it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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michapma
02-04-2004, 08:07 AM
Extreme_One,

I appreciate your missions and I think they are of good enough quality to sell on the market. Although I am also not prone to buying missions or campaigns (though there are one or two that are coming out that I am tempted to buy), it is not the people "in the know" who know how to look for campaigns, skins, etc. online who are buying these products. There are people out there who enjoy IL-2 and FB who have really no clue that there is an online community, much less that they make missions, skins, all these great third-party programs, etc. These mission and campaign packs are being bought by those folks who picked FB off the shelf, want to know, "How do I fly these other maps? Where are the searchlights on the back of the box?" and so on. They buy the add-on campaigns and missions, thinking that they actually add maps and features, or are required grant you access to them.

There's nothing wrong with selling your missions, skins and campaigns. Whether you will make a reasonable profit given the time is another question. I do have a problem if a company uses false or misleading advertising, such as what Lead has said about claiming new aircraft when it's just skins. However, I didn't find this claim at the webpage he linked to. Anyway, one sees it a lot. I'm especially skeptical of phrases like, "...and a lot more!"

Lead, thanks for the summary of the add-ons. Quite a useful overview.

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Extreme_One
02-04-2004, 08:25 AM
even if I do get involved in this project I won't stop making stuff for free BTW.

Just wait and see what's coming soon... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

S! Simon
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Download the RAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html).

Download the USAAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html). *NEW* Updated for FB 1.21

http://extremeone.4t.com/images/raf_sig.jpg

p1ngu666
02-04-2004, 08:41 AM
u do good work for sure extremeone http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
have u looked at those missions i sent ya?:P
i would pay for a dvd or several for skins of il2skins, sold by whoever runs it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
and decent missions too

Extreme_One
02-04-2004, 08:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
u do good work for sure extremeone http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
have u looked at those missions i sent ya?:P
i would pay for a dvd or several for skins of il2skins, sold by whoever runs it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
and decent missions too<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry P1ngu666 - I'm such a lazy git sometimes. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

I have had a look but was distracted by the terrible spelling and grammar. A spell-checker is a wonderful tool! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Do you want me to tidy things up for ya?
Also you need to ensure your plane (the one you want the plauer to fly in) is in a squadron/ regiment of it's own or depending on the players rank he might end up in the 'wrong' plane.
I didn't have a look at all the missions though...

S! Simon
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Download the RAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html).

Download the USAAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html). *NEW* Updated for FB 1.21

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p1ngu666
02-04-2004, 09:23 AM
think i changed that bug http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
mind it would make a cool scramble mission eh?http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
ive got addicted to online stuff atm, and skinning too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

A.K.Davis
02-04-2004, 12:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
I have heard nothing but rumors about the pacific addon posted everywhere by AKD about luthiers email clip he seen.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

1. It was not an e-mail from Luthier. It was from Oleg.

2. I did not post it everywhere, I posted it only in the Netwings FB modelling forum. A few there already know what Luthier's project is because they are working on it.

3. Of course it was nothing official, but I consider what Oleg says more than baseless rumor.

4. There are many other hints as to what Luthier's project will be, among them the Ki-43 Gibbage made AND THAT YOU YOURSELF ARE SKINNING.

--AKD

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tttiger
02-04-2004, 01:40 PM
Good thread, LS.

A few of my thoughts (free and thus worth exactly what you paid for them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif):

You take a big, big jump when you try to make your hobby into a business. Including the risk of losing the enjoyment of what you are doing.

And once you do it as a job, it's hard to go back to doing it for fun and have the same sense of enjoyment. At least, that's been my experience.

My feeling about any hobby: As soon as it starts feeling like work, I go find another hobby.

That said, there are many excellent third party creations I gladly would pay for.

The Coops by Hangar (where has hangar gone?), Metlushko (where has metlushko gone?) and Bury (I see him in HL now and then) all are first rate. No other Coop writers I know of come close to them for historical accuracy and really exciting missions. No one seems to be writing good Coops on the same level, certainly not ones that can be downloaded. I would be willing to pay a modest amount for their work.

Extreme One rates as "King of Campaigns" right now and deservedly so. The trick is he "tells a story" which few campaign writers bother to do. And he tells it very well. I would pay a modest amount for his work.

I fly DCG a lot and I admire what Paul has done with it and the amazing customer service he provides for free, but you get right down to it they still are computer-generated missions and not very clever. I have yet to see any computer generated missions that are as immersive as really well-written human-generated missions. VEF (Starshoy) has the same problem IMHO. Plus, DCG is buggy (it's in constant beta http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)and Paul keeps cranking out new versions without fixing the old problems. I play it for free but I wouldn't pay for it.

Starshoy wrote the incredibly boring (and thoroughly trashed in all the sim reviews) campaigns that came with IL-2 and FB. I have no reason to believe his new "dynamic" campaigns (he said the last ones were dynamic -- that's what the D in DGen stands for, I believe -- and they weren't dynamic at all)will be any better. Why Oleg put him on the payroll -- or set up a situation in which he can profit -- is a mystery to me.

Luthier has done enough imaginative and creative projects in the past that I probably will shell out a few bucks for his "secret" Pacific campaign.

As to skins, LS and about a dozen others turn out really top quality work. But there is some real crap up there on IL-2 Skins as well. Some look like they were done with crayons. I might pay a bit for good skins but I'd sure want to see what I'm buying before I paid for it.

I have no idea what the economics of putting out a paid third-party add-on are, but I'd be very careful about investing cash in them.

It's VERY hard to get people to pay for something they used to get for free. I can give you lots of examples in real life. Not only will they not buy it (unless it is absolutely essential) but they will deeply resent you for charging for it.

That's not a view I share, mind you, but that's the way it is.

Aloha,

ttt

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-- Chuck Yeager describing "The Best Airplane."

Vamandrac_Steam
02-08-2004, 06:59 PM
Well reguardless Im going to get the Battle over Europe one. The work looks great and Im willing to pay the price.

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boohaa
02-08-2004, 07:29 PM
Next time luthier/Starshoy....dont release half of your product for free and many here wont ***** about it?!?!?!

WUAF_Badsight
02-08-2004, 09:51 PM
Sticky This PLZ

Aeronautico
02-09-2004, 04:53 AM
I don't understand why people complain about these products: if you don't like it, don't buy it. As simple as that.
Somebody may find the content useful and enjoyable, for different reasons, included the quality of the handmade missions.

I won't buy them, for one reason only: the price. It should be three times cheaper at least, considering that very few are the authors (mission builder, skinner, who else?): it means that these company make huge profits out of very little commitments.
The problem, if it's a problem, are the companies, not the authors.

Remember OSSI's free Operation Barbarossa? He was an hero of the community. After Operation Barbarossa went commercial, he's become a thief or something. Is it fair? I don't think so...

Aero out

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Airplanes are now built to carry a pilot and a dog in the cockpit: the pilot's job is
to feed the dog, and the dog's job is to bite the pilot if he touches anything...

- Arlen Rens, Lockheed Martin test pilot

Huxley_S
02-09-2004, 07:20 AM
I'm in agreement with Aeronautico. It's like just because it is possible to make your own missions, campaigns and skins and because there are plenty of these available for download for free it seems some people think that it is bang out of order to charge money for them.

However, if the work is of such a high standard that it is better than everything else out there, took longer to do, required more imagination and creativity etc etc... then hell yeah why not make a few quid out of it or at least compensate you for all your hard work.

But I would say that for a campaign pack that the most you could charge is $8.00 (5.00)... considering you can buy IL2 for a tenner these days.

Snyde-Dastardly
02-09-2004, 07:57 AM
I can see buying 3rd party missions and skins.
I mean I make skins for my own planes and missions for my buds and myself to fly, and I respect the time and skill it takes to put these things together. So when guys like LeadSpitter_ and Extreme one start throwing down advice I pay attention. Both these guys do incredible work for all of us to enjoy for free, BUT I wouldent think less of em to go on a project to make some money.

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[This message was edited by Snyde-Dastardly on Tue February 10 2004 at 10:17 AM.]

Snyde-Dastardly
02-09-2004, 08:00 AM
Well put Huxley http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Extreme_One
02-10-2004, 05:25 AM
So IF I did get involved with this project...I wouldn't be demonised then? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Aeronautico said "Remember OSSI's free Operation Barbarossa? He was an hero of the community. After Operation Barbarossa went commercial, he's become a thief or something. Is it fair? I don't think so..."

Yes I remember it well, and I couldn't believe it the way he was praised one minute and then the next minute it was almost like he was public enemy number one.

The thing that maybe annoyed people there was how he was actually selling something that originally was a free download.

If I do begin work on an addon CD it will be entirely new content (approx 300 missions - across 2 campaigns) Can you imagine how much work is involved?

S! Simon
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Download the RAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html).

Download the USAAF campaign folder here (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten_Battles/Missions/index-9.html). *NEW* Updated for FB 1.21

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Huxley_S
02-10-2004, 05:47 AM
Man I can only guess at the amount of work involved but I'm sure it is lots and lots.

I'm not sure about these unofficial add on CDs though. Is the extra cost of packaging and distribution really worth it?

And 300 missions is more than anyone would really have time to play.

Why not instead create your campaigns one at a time and make them available for download at a fiver a pop.

Keeping people wanting more is usually better than giving them too much all at once. You only have to read the posts from everyone chomping at the bit for a handful of new stuff in the Aces pack to see that.

If you did a new campaign as good as your BoB one I for one would pay for it... and then if you released another one a couple of months later... I'd buy that too.

All in all you could end up making more money for yourself that way and keep people happy at the same time.

That said m8... I'm sure that whatever you decide to do you will get the full support of everyone who has enjoyed your work.

IcarusXP
02-10-2004, 06:34 AM
I think any decietfull box lableing should be adressed by Ubisoft, and corrected.

As for missions and skins, I think I'd pay $15 or $20 after reading good reviews here, but not $30 when the official add-on contains planes, maps, skins, and missions.

On the other hand, Not every IL2 player reads these forums, or plays online. Most of us here create or own missions and skins, But off-line single players have no other methoud of getting more out of the game.

Salute.

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ZG77_Lignite
02-10-2004, 09:57 AM
Extreme1, you'll almost surely be demonized (see Ra... I mean Leadspitters example above against the products from 'Viking1' and 'Ossi', who were also well respected and revered members of the community at one point).

The point is (or should be) that you should not care. You're doing nothing wrong, in fact you're doing something right. You are free to do what want with your time and resources, and free to be compensated. Don't let a few nutters stop you from giving it a go, if its something you want to do. There is nothing wrong with it.

wayno7777
02-10-2004, 10:52 AM
To Extreme_One,
Thanks again for the RAF camp. Time is short, money is shorter. Whatever I can get I get. If I have to wait for the price to come down, that's what I do. Unfortunately, that's my situation. I'm in debt to all the free skinners out there! Please don't stop the great work! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Wir greifen an!
Erich 'Bubi' Hartmann


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