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clint-ruin
04-08-2004, 11:50 PM
Hi,

Making some nighttime missions over berlin and the EF maps at the moment.

Some questions on nightfighter/counter nightfighter use:

As far as I know,

The VVS did have nightfighters, but not particularly many of them. What did they use? I've seen some Pe-3 and Soviet Hurricane nightfighter skins around, but I'm not sure if they're totally historically based. What else got used?

I understand that Mosquitos saw some use from the Brits as counter-nightfighter units to shield their night bombing raids. How did these work in terms of their missions? Did they use RWR style tracking to find active searching nightfighters, visual id or what? Did they fly along the loose nighttime bomber formations flightpath and try to intercept nightfighters along the way or just freely fly around looking for trouble?

Night bombing escorts for the germans - as far as I know this isn't something they used much, but did they ever send nightfighter units along with say, the night He-111 raids on Moscow or during the Blitz or anything? Or did they just leave the bombers to their own devices?

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clint-ruin
04-08-2004, 11:50 PM
Hi,

Making some nighttime missions over berlin and the EF maps at the moment.

Some questions on nightfighter/counter nightfighter use:

As far as I know,

The VVS did have nightfighters, but not particularly many of them. What did they use? I've seen some Pe-3 and Soviet Hurricane nightfighter skins around, but I'm not sure if they're totally historically based. What else got used?

I understand that Mosquitos saw some use from the Brits as counter-nightfighter units to shield their night bombing raids. How did these work in terms of their missions? Did they use RWR style tracking to find active searching nightfighters, visual id or what? Did they fly along the loose nighttime bomber formations flightpath and try to intercept nightfighters along the way or just freely fly around looking for trouble?

Night bombing escorts for the germans - as far as I know this isn't something they used much, but did they ever send nightfighter units along with say, the night He-111 raids on Moscow or during the Blitz or anything? Or did they just leave the bombers to their own devices?

http://home.iprimus.com.au/djgwen/fb/leninkoba.jpg

Mr_Nakajima
04-09-2004, 01:57 AM
The Russians had few (if any) dedicated night fighter units and tended to use ordinary day-fighters instead. As the Germans never developed a strategic night bombing capability there was little need for them to do so.

Mosquitos and Beaufighters were used to support, rather than escort, the bomber stream. This would involve patrolling along the sides of the bomber's route (within the stream was too dangerous), over German airfields and over night-fighter assembly beacons. Look for a history of 100 Group for more details.

I have never heard of the Germans using escort fighters at night, though they did sometimes use twin engined fighters as intruders.

RAF intruders over Germany used both active radar and also passive RWR to detect and home in on German radar (serrate) or a device to trigger the German's IFF transmitter and then home in on its signal (perfectos). The best radar equipment was kept back for the defence of Britain to stop it falling into German hands if a plane was lost. Alfred Price's book 'Instruments of Darkness' covers the British and German radars in great detail.

Night combat between WW2 aircraft was very different to day combat if airborne radar was used, in some ways more like submarine warfare - silently stalking an unsuspecting enemy before dispatching him with a brief attack. FB models this very poorly. However, if there was no radar in use, or only ground-based radar (the night blitz over London in 1940-41 or over Moscow) then FB can do a good job.

Turn icons off, don't lock a target until you can see it visually, throw in lots of searchlights and you can have some very atmospheric missions. Use map icons if you want to simulate your pilot getting instructions from the ground, otherwise turn them off as well. Night fighters flew alone, so only have your aircraft in the flight. I don't think the AI is bothered by night at all, so if you put any other fighters on your side they will just engage the enemy as if it was daylight. And of course the AI gunners won't be much affected, so I put the bomber's experience as rookie to compensate.

Hope this helps. I pulled together a mission with several TB-3s attacking German occuped Sevastopol at night, with only a pair (it was a co-op mission)of Romanian Hurricane and flak as defence. Very atmospheric!

clint-ruin
04-09-2004, 03:36 AM
Great info, thanks for sharing it!

Next question: did anyone ever work out how the hell to turn off anticollision lights on aircraft at night in FB? I forgot about that little 'feature'..

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p1ngu666
04-09-2004, 06:57 AM
should be off over enemy teritory

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Mr_Nakajima
04-09-2004, 08:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by clint-ruin:
Next question: did anyone ever work out how the hell to turn off anticollision lights on aircraft at night in FB? I forgot about that little 'feature'..
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No that I'm aware of! If anybody knows how to, post it here!