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jttthomas
02-25-2004, 12:15 AM
With the upcoming addon, I would GLADLY swap any number of those fighters for a good bomber (esp for allies). The TB-3 is a joke! An even bigger joke is the Z-something whatever that the IL2 devs have wasted time on (ie. the TB3 with 2 little fighters - who the hell wants that?). I reckon that the devs should STOP trying to make every single variation of fighter, and especially STOP making aircraft that may look nice but are NO use to anyone (refer the TB-3 plane above with 2 little fighters). Why don't they concentrate on modelling the aircraft that experienced the lion's share of combat? eg.

- Mosquito
- B25
- B17
- B26
- B24
- Tempest/Typhoon
- JU88 (yes I know this is coming)
- PE2
- Lancaster, etc etc etc

I know a lot of the above are in the works, but I reckon they should have devoted their time towards the above rather than some of the 'exotic' aircraft that are coming with the Aces add-on.

jttthomas
02-25-2004, 12:15 AM
With the upcoming addon, I would GLADLY swap any number of those fighters for a good bomber (esp for allies). The TB-3 is a joke! An even bigger joke is the Z-something whatever that the IL2 devs have wasted time on (ie. the TB3 with 2 little fighters - who the hell wants that?). I reckon that the devs should STOP trying to make every single variation of fighter, and especially STOP making aircraft that may look nice but are NO use to anyone (refer the TB-3 plane above with 2 little fighters). Why don't they concentrate on modelling the aircraft that experienced the lion's share of combat? eg.

- Mosquito
- B25
- B17
- B26
- B24
- Tempest/Typhoon
- JU88 (yes I know this is coming)
- PE2
- Lancaster, etc etc etc

I know a lot of the above are in the works, but I reckon they should have devoted their time towards the above rather than some of the 'exotic' aircraft that are coming with the Aces add-on.

Bansai Potato
02-25-2004, 01:55 AM
Give me PE2, PE3, TU2, Blenheims, DB3, R10, SB2, SU2,

HS129, ME 110 + 210 + 410, JU88, DO17.

Finally just for the hell of it, i'd like to see a Handley Page Hampden, Bristol Beaufort, Bristol Beaufighter and De Havilland Mosquito.

Bombers should be the focus of the developers attention at the moment, we have plenty of fighters already and a shed load more bombers/ground attack aircraft would make the online wars much more interesting. Go on Oleg do it, boldy go where no man has gone before, give us the mud movers.

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WWMaxGunz
02-25-2004, 03:28 AM
We already had the TB-3 and the I-16's.

The Zveno Flight is a historic addition to the line that we get nowhere else. It was used to bomb bridges that could not otherwise have been hit to slow the Germans down. It's the only way to use 250kg bombs with the I-16s since the I-16 can't take off with one (no room underneath, gear would not reach the ground). Maybe some people recognize the significance of the program while others don't.

The time that went in... anyone think it compares to developing a full size bomber? Dream on!


Neal

Gato-Loco
02-25-2004, 12:16 PM
I'm all for having more bombers. And I'll be happy to have them as only AI planes. I know that for people that play online AI planes are useless (unless you play only with external view), but for the offline crowd (which is very large) AI planes add to the immersion and realism of this game and allows to create more diverse missions. It is great that the add on will have the B-17 and B-25. I'd like to see a few more, like the HE 177, Ju-88. And of course I'll welcome any flyable plane!!

buz13
02-25-2004, 02:10 PM
I'm in agreement with the need for more bombers. My bet is that many would pay for an addon that just included new flyable bombers with a few missions and campaigns.
B24, B17, B25, B26, Mosquito, Lancaster, Do17, Pe2 and 3, Ju88, Ar234, some Italian stuff.....I'm sure there are many more.

crazyivan1970
02-25-2004, 04:31 PM
Why people keep forgetting one thing, that most of the aircraft is modeled by third party http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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Piston_Pete
02-27-2004, 08:31 AM
"Why people keep forgetting one thing, that most of the aircraft is modeled by third party"

Oh, how could we forget? BTW gimme an Fw190 modelled by a third party with a REAL cockpit, not a box with tiny holes to put on your head while flying anytime, bro http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

rbstr44
02-28-2004, 11:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jttthomas:
With the upcoming addon, I would GLADLY swap any number of those fighters for a good bomber (esp for allies). The TB-3 is a joke! [...]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I like the TB-3 offline a lot. I enjoy manning the different gunners pits, and occasionally, piloting it. It's still an easy target for the enemy, but it is challenging/fun to crew in order to fend off early war fighters. I don't often survive the experience (virtually), but I get a lot of satisfaction out of the few flights that make it all the way back home.

LEXX_Luthor
02-28-2004, 12:04 PM
jttthomas:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The TB-3 is a joke!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I'd like to see early 1930s fighters to mix with TB~3.

TB~3 was an early experiment in modding a 4 engine bomber. Fb109Z was a Quick Mod from existing Fb109s and will make interesting historic "what if" scenarios. I'd like to see this "jttthomas" Mod one of those listed bombers over the FB. Sadly, any airplane Modded by jttthomas would be rejected for FB because of Sloppiness. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif --- as would my attempts to Mod something...pure slop!!



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crazyivan1970
02-28-2004, 01:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Piston_Pete:
"Why people keep forgetting one thing, that most of the aircraft is modeled by third party"

Oh, how could we forget? BTW gimme an Fw190 modelled by a third party with a REAL cockpit, not a box with tiny holes to put on your head while flying anytime, bro http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

why don`t you use your real name... bro http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Agamemnon22
02-28-2004, 03:46 PM
Guys, I think this horse has been beated to a pulp.

The Pe-2, Ju-88 and some others are being worked on but these things don't get done overnight!

I agree that Aces could've had more bombers, even if it's at the expense of the 109Z or some other oddball planes, but that is what Oleg had to work with. Keep in mind that most if not all of the planes on that CD were made by 3rd party modellers who don't answer to anyone and model what they find interesting. It's also a matter of how much effort a modeller is willing to put into a project. The 109Z, for example, is a hell of a lot easier to make than the entire set of stations on a B-17 or B-24 or some such bomber. It's also a matter of referenes, there are comparatively few for cockpits of airplanes, while there is a plethora of external shots and 3-views for most planes that did or didn't exist.

So, the bottom line is, if you want bombers, support the modellers with blueprints, pictures or any other references.

Pzyber
02-28-2004, 04:44 PM
"The TB-3 plane above with 2 little fighters " are not being developed by 1C Maddox, Luthier1 is the developer for that plane!

Piston_Pete
02-28-2004, 08:45 PM
@CrazyIvan: I've never used my real name in here and I'm not gonna start now. Besides.. do you always take so long to react? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

owlwatcher
02-28-2004, 10:15 PM
Yes, to the bombers.
And; yes this subject is old. I myself have launched a "want bombers" campaign on these forums.
It would be nice to see some emerge after the mid year of this year.
That way the timing with the newer faster computers would make them more playable.
Seem's Oleg even concerned about the bombers with some of his latesr post. It's seems lack of talented 3D & man hours needed to produce them in the quility that everyone is used to.
I would pay for a addon that contained bombers so some paid 3D
people (help with the man hours) could help cut the time to market. The quility of them has to remain excellent.
Maybe a 3D forum should be added. Maybe even the crap plane output could be speeded up this way.
Not pleased with what I have seen on the new addon but will buy it. Really who really wants a Spitfire!?!?...Nobody would miss them . Rather have a Pe-3 or B-26 any day.
Wonder if foot pedals will work while in a turrent postion?
112 flyable planes was mentioned!!?!!

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