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AdamPearce
02-01-2014, 06:27 AM
So, as you may or may not know, Michael Bay is producing a TV Show called Black Sails, it's basically a pirate show that takes place during the Golden Age of Piracy, just like Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag. I'm only to the first episode so far and I have to say, it is really f.ing good.

If it was just for me, I'd say this is exactly what Black Flag should've been. Violence, sex & rhum. But I'm really happy with how they put it in the show. Especially the sex scene, it is nothing over the top like Game of Thrones, and it's not over censurated like Black Flag, it has a really good balance. For violence, well it is what it is and for rhum, yoho ! And I really think they've manage to recreate this liberty they had, remember the Defy thing that was never in the game ? And Nassau just looks soooo much better than it does in the game oh my god what happen during developpement at Ubi ? It feels like a fisher village in AC4, but in Black Sails, daaaamn, goota watch the show to get it!

For characters, they are all awesome, every single one of them. I really liked Rackham thou, especially because he was extremely underused in Black Flag and than in Black Sails we really see how he was this malicious guy behind the scene, instead of the ******* he was in the game.

Serioulsly anyone who likes the pirates, this is a must watch, my only concern is the overuse of the f word, they should diverse it.

What ya think ?

poptartz20
02-01-2014, 06:50 AM
well.. your talking about a production for a video game vs. production of a film. at the end of the day it is a game!

Anyways. I have yet to watch it! :D It current resides on my DVR. I can't wait to watch it! When I do.. I'll post again! :)

Fatal-Feit
02-01-2014, 07:01 AM
Bloody. F-ing. Pirates.

I haven't watched it yet but If they don't use that line, I'm going to be severely disappointed.

TJ_Wylde
02-10-2014, 08:12 AM
I have to be honest. I'm watching episode 3 wile i'm typing this. For me personally. This is THE show of 2014 right now. And yes i know Game of Thrones is still coming but that doesn't change anything for me.

Watching the show it kinda reminds me of Deadwood. Pretty well made show about the same name town during the time it was build up from a miners camp into an actual city. This golden age of piracy show. Well lets just say that if you like or loved the story of AC4 you will most likely like this show as well. You'll come across a lot of the well known names (flint, vane, hornigold etc.) the "home" town has a nice likeness to the games Nassau as well. All in all there is to me personally nothing to dislike about the show. Acting is good and the costumes are very well done. Special effects are on the level and not to much (which surprised me seeing it's done by michael bay among others).

So yeah. if you liked the game. You should really watch it. And watch at least all 3 episodes that are released now so you get a nice feeling of who is in there and what the story is about so far.

travilanche
02-10-2014, 11:29 AM
Loving the show so far. But I keep wondering when we are going to meet Edward Kenway!?!

dxsxhxcx
02-10-2014, 11:57 AM
I watched 2 episodes and I didn't like it, maybe as the story advances near the end of the first season it might become more entertaining, but these two episodes I watched were quite boring to be frank

Cornik22
02-10-2014, 07:51 PM
I'm watching it and I like what I see, hopefully it will get even better. Btw, which version of the real pirates do you prefer? For me, I love the Vane and Bonny from Black Sails much more than their videogames counterparts. Vane is as ruthless as one can be, and Bonny looks just like I imagine her before Black Flag's Bonny was revealed. A bad *** pirate disguise as a man, not a sexy barmaid with a flower in the head! Rackham is definitely more interesting than Black Flag's version, but the way he looks in is pretty ridiculous. And now he wears sunglasses? What?

http://i57.tinypic.com/9s77dj.jpg

http://i62.tinypic.com/a1hjdu.jpg


http://i62.tinypic.com/idegqu.jpg

Also, the Nassaw in this series is exactly the Nassau I was expecting to see in Black Flag (the fort is even there!), but we never got. A pirate den full of life: pirates, privateers, prostitutes, drunks, ... It looks fantastic!! On the other hand, the Nassau we got in the game doesn't even look like a pirate den. Where are the pirates? Because it's empty.

http://i60.tinypic.com/fkmudi.jpg

silvermercy
02-10-2014, 09:35 PM
I thought it was aimed towards a more male audience but I still liked it. I think it would need some improvements in story-telling (and acting!!) but it was still enjoyable.

I agree with the above post regarding presentation:

Black Sails' Vane and Bonny > Black Flag's Vane and Bonny

Black Sails' Rackham <<<<< Black Flag's Rackham (come on... he looks like a pimp in Black Sails. lmao)

I feel it's about equal about Nassau, ships, environment though... (but, yes, it's more lively in Black Sails. You have more actual interactions with pirates etc).

ze_topazio
02-10-2014, 10:31 PM
Vane looks like a porn actor.

LoyalACFan
02-11-2014, 12:58 AM
If it was just for me, I'd say this is exactly what Black Flag should've been. Violence, sex & rhum.

I sort of agree with this statement. I feel like Black Flag was a little light on debauchery; for all the talk of having to whitewash Edward's life for the Abstergo product, I thought they had already scrubbed off most of the dirt of the real golden age of piracy. I mean, I don't want a bunch of pointless sex scenes in the game, but they sort of skirted around the topic entirely, with only the vaguest of hints that anything sexual was going on in Nassau. Same with the drinking; sure, they made mention of it, but I'd have expected a few scenes of pirates totally blasted on rum, since that's what got Blackbeard killed and Bonny & Read captured.

But at the same time, I think Black Sails might have gone too far the other way. I haven't seen it yet personally, but from what I've heard, it's nonstop sleaziness and debauchery, and that can get tiresome after a while.

Megas_Doux
02-11-2014, 01:29 AM
Black Sailsīs Nassau is 10000000 times better than AC IVīs, which was one of the things I DID NOT like of that game. I enjoy the show, is good! Comparing it with AC IV I conclude that, unlike AC IVīs deveps, Black sails were not scared into explore the whole "debauhery and plunder" side of pirates. Many expressed their fear of Black flag being too focused into sex, drinking and that stuff.

Cornik22
02-12-2014, 12:46 AM
Guys, there is another familiar face in the series. None other than Benjamin Hornigold! A great character (if a bit old), and I'm sure I'm going to enjoy his presence in Black Sails. Considering we now have Vane, Rackham, Bonny and Hornigold, it's just a matter of time that Blackbeard shows up. I can't wait! :)


http://i62.tinypic.com/f2v3t5.jpg

Alphacos007
02-12-2014, 12:49 AM
Very insteresting, I love those pirate stuff, will definitely be watching those :)

silvermercy
02-12-2014, 01:05 AM
I keep expecting Edward to appear any time. lol Actually I think the closest character we can get is John Silver. Followed by Flint.

http://www.tumblr.com/search/black+sails

My fave is Charles Vane so far.

Mr_Shade
02-12-2014, 01:39 AM
Interesting....

Landruner
02-12-2014, 03:44 AM
Vane looks like a porn actor.

Apparently, you know what you are talking about !:p

@AdamPearce: I agree with you about that effectively that AC4 should have been like that - at least for the ambiance.
Well, when Ubisoft goes on "spinoffing" AC4 for a Black Flag II, they will have a (life) reference to get inspired from and make it wilder, tougher, and harder.

ACLexter
02-12-2014, 02:37 PM
The actor looks great and the show too. I wish I can watch them too. may I request someone to post blackbeard when he appear or any other character know from AC4. :)

ze_topazio
02-12-2014, 05:32 PM
Apparently, you know what you are talking about !:p

Foolish young padawan, do you think I have any problem admitting I have been watching porn since my early teens? well, I don't. :cool:

Mr_Shade
02-12-2014, 05:38 PM
And…

Back on topic please, before I lock the thread..

LoyalACFan
02-12-2014, 09:24 PM
The actor looks great and the show too. I wish I can watch them too. may I request someone to post blackbeard when he appear or any other character know from AC4. :)

If the game's timeline is accurate, wouldn't Blackbeard already be dead before Bonny and Rackham started their partnership? Then again, I don't know how faithful the show is to the historical record, so they might throw him in just because he's Blackbeard. Like the last POTC movie did :nonchalance: That movie was painful to watch.

silvermercy
02-12-2014, 09:49 PM
The show is a prequel to Treasure Island.

These explain it better:

https://24.media.tumblr.com/4623b1d79a781cb42557e1cb125908d8/tumblr_n0sfwluE391sxoumuo1_500.gif

https://24.media.tumblr.com/9dcc636c337d14ccce8d529fc6778370/tumblr_n0sfwluE391sxoumuo6_500.gif

https://31.media.tumblr.com/eb5c3a0f52d0f7bab66270a2e6f1e51c/tumblr_n0sfwluE391sxoumuo5_500.gif

https://31.media.tumblr.com/49507a42d988acb5ef2ae1e2c6bec22c/tumblr_n0sfwluE391sxoumuo2_500.gif

https://31.media.tumblr.com/6765c9441b2314e0ac708d5cd0e06470/tumblr_n0sfwluE391sxoumuo3_r1_500.gif

https://31.media.tumblr.com/8d3cdf48d0b3931d6b9ee909964c541c/tumblr_n0sfwluE391sxoumuo4_500.gif
http://hmurya.tumblr.com/post/76228461506

Cornik22
02-12-2014, 09:52 PM
If the game's timeline is accurate, wouldn't Blackbeard already be dead before Bonny and Rackham started their partnership? Then again, I don't know how faithful the show is to the historical record, so they might throw him in just because he's Blackbeard.

The series is set in 1715 (and remember, Blackbeard died in 1718), so yeah, he should be there and more thank likely was a friend of Hornigold (as seen in Black Flag). Anne Bonny and her husband James moved to Nassau in 1714, where she began mingling with othe pirates in the local taberns like Rackham. They fell in love and she became Rackham's mistress, so yes, it's accurate. There was a reference to Blackbeard in the first episode, but only as a joke. They way I see it, he will appear later in the season, now that everybody is expecting him to show up sooner or later.


Like the last POTC movie did http://static5.cdn.ubi.com/u/ubiforums/20130918.419/images/smilies/nonchalance.png That movie was painful to watch.
That "Blackbeard" had nothing to do with the real Blackbeard, which wasn't that big of a deal considering the whole series is pure hollywood action adventure with a romanticized and heavily fictional representation of pirates. It is enjoyable if you don't take it too seriously.

silvermercy
02-14-2014, 12:07 AM
Take the quiz: http://www.pirates-wanted.com/quiz/

I'm Captain Flint. lol :)

LoyalACFan
02-14-2014, 12:37 AM
Take the quiz: http://www.pirates-wanted.com/quiz/

I'm Captain Flint. lol :)

Me too :D

When it got to the question about "how do you apologize to your crew for taking a small prize" and saw the option "offer them all free sex," I was like... Um, lol?

silvermercy
02-14-2014, 12:43 AM
Me too :D

When it got to the question about "how do you apologize to your crew for taking a small prize" and saw the option "offer them all free sex," I was like... Um, lol?
In my case it would work, being female and all, but I still chose a different answer. lol I'm not sure how it would work in real life if I did that. haha! Maybe if I was desperate! Who knows... lmao

ze_topazio
02-14-2014, 01:00 AM
ELEANOR GUTHRIE

I'm not watching this so I have no idea who she is.

MaceoniK
02-14-2014, 01:02 AM
Just watched the first three episodes back to back... absolutely brilliant!

AC4's portrayal of pirates seems positively tame in comparison, makes me think that without all the brutal kill animations in AC4, it could of been rated PEGI 12+ (E 10+ for you americans).

LoyalACFan
02-14-2014, 01:07 AM
Just watched the first three episodes back to back... absolutely brilliant!

AC4's portrayal of pirates seems positively tame in comparison, makes me think that without all the brutal kill animations in AC4, it could of been rated PEGI 12+ (E 10+ for you americans).

There was quite a bit of "strong language" in Black Flag too, though. Actually more than I would have preferred, it seems weird hearing "f**k" as a catch-all "sentence enhancer" in the 1700s. I mean, the word itself was around, but I'm pretty sure they didn't use it like we do, and certainly not as frequently. It just meant to copulate.

Deadwood bugged me for the same reason, and to a certain extent RDR, but I only heard it used like that a couple of times in the whole 200+ hours I've spent with the game, so.

MaceoniK
02-14-2014, 01:08 AM
ELEANOR GUTHRIE

I'm not watching this so I have no idea who she is.

apparently I'm also Eleanor Guthrie, and no I didn't answer the question "One of your crew is accused of being a thief. How do you deal with this potential turncoat?" with "Use your sexual prowess to make them talk." or "The latest haul is short on gold, and the crew will mutiny. Think quick." with "Make up for it with free sexual services; one per crewman." lol

MaceoniK
02-14-2014, 01:47 AM
There was quite a bit of "strong language" in Black Flag too, though. Actually more than I would have preferred, it seems weird hearing "f**k" as a catch-all "sentence enhancer" in the 1700s. I mean, the word itself was around, but I'm pretty sure they didn't use it like we do, and certainly not as frequently. It just meant to copulate.

Deadwood bugged me for the same reason, and to a certain extent RDR, but I only heard it used like that a couple of times in the whole 200+ hours I've spent with the game, so.

The "strong language" in Black Sails didn't bother me at all, frankly I didn't even really notice that much, maybe because I swear quite a lot, so it just seems natural to me. And how can you be at all sure that they didn't use the f word like we do, or as frequently?. And if it did just mean "to copulate" (as you delicately put it), in Black Sails defence, it was used in that context most of the time.

LoyalACFan
02-14-2014, 01:57 AM
The "strong language" in Black Sails didn't bother me at all, frankly I didn't even really notice that much, maybe because I swear quite a lot, so it just seems natural to me. And how can you be at all sure that they didn't use the f word like we do, or as frequently?. And if it did just mean "to copulate" (as you delicately put it), in Black Sails defence, it was used in that context most of the time.

Because I did research on the F word in high school English (we were supposed to do a report on the etymology of a single word, it was supposed to be school-appropriate but f**k that) and the recent "flexibility" of the word didn't come into existence until this past century. Granted, this was senior year and I gave zero f**ks about schoolwork near the end so my "research" is a tad spotty, but I'm pretty sure the general point still stands.

AdamPearce
02-14-2014, 03:36 AM
Because I did research on the F word in high school English (we were supposed to do a report on the etymology of a single word, it was supposed to be school-appropriate but f**k that) and the recent "flexibility" of the word didn't come into existence until this past century. Granted, this was senior year and I gave zero f**ks about schoolwork near the end so my "research" is a tad spotty, but I'm pretty sure the general point still stands.

yeah well they sure can't be 100% authentic...otherwise none of us would understand sh*t of what they would be saying.

MaceoniK
02-14-2014, 03:57 AM
Because I did research on the F word in high school English (we were supposed to do a report on the etymology of a single word, it was supposed to be school-appropriate but f**k that) and the recent "flexibility" of the word didn't come into existence until this past century. Granted, this was senior year and I gave zero f**ks about schoolwork near the end so my "research" is a tad spotty, but I'm pretty sure the general point still stands.

A 1790 poem by George Tucker has a father upset with his bookish son say "I'd not give [a f**k] for all you've read". Originally printed as "I'd not give ------ for all you've read", scholars agree that the words "a f**k" were removed, making the poem the first recorded instance of the now-common phrase "I don't give a f**k". In 1837, the first instance of the phrase "go f**k yourself" or its variants was recorded when a woman who told a group to "go f**k themselves" was charged with the crime of obscenity.

AdamPearce
02-14-2014, 04:06 AM
A 1790 poem by George Tucker has a father upset with his bookish son say "I'd not give [a f**k] for all you've read". Originally printed as "I'd not give ------ for all you've read", scholars agree that the words "a f**k" were removed, making the poem the first recorded instance of the now-common phrase "I don't give a f**k". In 1837, the first instance of the phrase "go f**k yourself" or its variants was recorded when a woman who told a group to "go f**k themselves" was charged with the crime of obscenity.

We are still stuck with a 75years anacronism...

MaceoniK
02-14-2014, 04:35 AM
We are still stuck with a 75years anacronism...

I think it's reasonably fair to assume the phrase was in use sometime before it was removed from a published poem in 1790, especially amongst pirates.

LoyalACFan
02-14-2014, 06:02 AM
A 1790 poem by George Tucker has a father upset with his bookish son say "I'd not give [a f**k] for all you've read". Originally printed as "I'd not give ------ for all you've read", scholars agree that the words "a f**k" were removed, making the poem the first recorded instance of the now-common phrase "I don't give a f**k". In 1837, the first instance of the phrase "go f**k yourself" or its variants was recorded when a woman who told a group to "go f**k themselves" was charged with the crime of obscenity.

Both instances imply the sexual meaning, which has been around for ages. Shakespeare even hinted at it with rhyming euphemisms (puck) though he never used the word itself. I'm talking about usage as a catch-all expletive that has no connection to sex, i.e. "you f**king knave, Vane." Basically, the instances where it could be replaced by "damned" and still make sense.

I realize I'm being a picky ******bag here, BTW

MaceoniK
02-14-2014, 07:06 AM
Both instances imply the sexual meaning

I don't think they do... "I don't give a f**k" implies "I don't care", and the phrase "go f**k yourself" could be taken literally, but it's generally used as a substitute for "get out of my face", just like f**k me can be said by a girl while your f**king her (in which case it should be taken literally), but you will mainly hear "f**k me" being said in the context of being amazed/astonished... there are many, many other instances I could explain that would invalidate your logic that, unless the word can be replaced by "damned", it implies the literal meaning.

Anyway, as we all know arguing semantics never comes to a cosy consensus, so I'll say no more.

Sushiglutton
02-14-2014, 01:29 PM
Ha this is funny because I actually contemplated making a thread about how superior I think Black Flag is in a lot of ways. Watched the first three episodes of Sails and it's really mediocre imo. The dialogue is much better in BF and so is the character design. Charles Vane in Sails looks like, I don't want to say it, but I don't like it. Anne Bonny is just plain silly hiding under her hat. The design in BF on the other hand is stellar.

Also Sails doesn't have nearly enough action for a pirate adventure. This style of talking about action rather than showing it might work for Game Of Thrones because that show has a lot of interesting political intrigues. It doesn't work for Sails at all imo. Some of the sexual content feels really forced. Like that all crew members were initiated by having groupsex at the local bordello. Tha'ts more of a male fantasy rather than a historical fact I dare to say.

To me BF is a much more complete and higher quality pirate experience!