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SpiritOfNevaeh
01-19-2014, 07:28 PM
Hello Everyone! Nice to meet you! This is my first time posting on a forum ever, so yes you may call me a noobie or whatever; I don’t mind ☺. Anyway, I was following this forum for a while reading the posts and such, reading some good and funny ones, and yes, I am a big Connor fan as well, but not one of those die hard fangirls or a Wolfkin Tumblr member (not that there’s anything wrong with that). There's love and hate of course on each side which I see just about everyday, but I think it has pushed me to the point where I must say something, considering I always keep to myself and barely get involved with Internet activities. In other words, this is a very rare occasion where I will actually post/write something in response to anything misunderstood and such. Hopefully I got all the points down in one take.

Basically, I like to do a ton of research on things that catch my attention and would like to know more about, not only to keep me intrigued about the topic, but also to also shed some light on those that disagree with something when they do not know the full story yet. I assume you all know who I'm talking about in this case – Connor from AC3. Now, please DO NOT take this post to intentionally hurt/degrade/offend anyone as I am just making some points that will hopefully make the haters reconsider their mislead thoughts about the character [and some other topics as well]. I truly believe that everyone is entitled to his or her own opinions, but it should not be when they barely know the backstory of the character. Take a good read out of this and let me know your thoughts and lets be adults about it as well.

* “Connor isn’t much of a character or too bland.” I truly believe it’s because he was a totally different person than what you were used to from Altair and Ezio. Maybe you're just not the type of person who can appreciate him for who he was; a real human being who put his people before anything else and tries to always do what is right. Was it because he wasn’t searching for an “outlet” as much as Ezio was in his younger years (aside from the later games that only existed because of his character development)? Or as careless and filled with undeserved pride like Altair? Don’t get me wrong: both those characters were great in their time periods (Altair was my favorite mainly because of his voice, but that changed in the other games - FAIL), but the fact is that for a real person to be introduced into a series like this lets us know that we can still have moral principles and be a badass at the same time, but it was time for a change – in my opinion, it made me think Italians were ***** all the time. >_< You only think he’s boring if you compare him to previous characters like Ezio; they lived in different time periods for goodness sake! And if you have a problem with a virgin superhero/main character as a badass, there is something wrong with you. First impressions are painful, but don’t judge a character based on the glitches either. He has lots of potential so he deserves a proper comeback.

And, since when did video game characters have to be recklessly violent and brutal like Kratos? Or try to be a flirt with the ladies like Leon Kennedy? But then again, I still see people who criticize him still trying to get more information about him, watching his videos, etc. Believe it or not, when I first played, I didn’t like him either, nor did I hate him, but after playing the game a few more times, as well as the side missions, it just made me keep falling in love with him all over again. To be honest, I personally think Ubisoft rushed the game (hence the amount of glitches and such?) since they did admit they were working on AC4 at the same time as AC3. They should have put more time into him as well as the game itself and then we wouldn’t have such mixed feedback about them both, but yet the fans that understood him loved him regardless and that shows in the growing fan base as well as petitions for his return. There's a reason why he was nominated for Character of the Year [and if the game wasn’t so buggy, he probably would have won the award too.] Not to mention this awesome acceptance speech video had he won, which you can see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcUwhFYEqro

And I just saw this post on Noah Watts (Connor’s VA) Tumblr on Jan 11th 2014:

If this gets 100 notes I will start an official petition to get Ubisoft to make a Connor sequel

http://thenoahwatts.tumblr.com/post/72983297465/if-this-gets-100-notes-i-will-start-an-official

And I know it will not stop here… Hint, Ubisoft?

* “Connor is too ignorant or too ambitious or too naïve or too rude or shows no emotion.” Were we all not like this at a point of time in our lives, specifically when we were younger? To judge a character based on these characteristics makes you just as ignorant as you claim him to be. Altair was involved because it’s his duty; Ezio was involved to get revenge; Connor was in it for finding freedom for everyone – Freedom speaks way louder than the other two on any occasion to be honest. He was doing what was right and fought not just for his people, but for anyone caught in the freedom debate.

And please consider what the guy went through: he lost his mother at a young age, betrayed by those who he helped willingly, had to kill his father and best friend, lost his mentor (and yes I will admit some teary eyes when he spoke to Achilles’ grave) and after all that, his people were evicted to the west. How was he supposed to know this would happen? I know that if there was something that could be done to save who I held dear and wanted to protect, I would make sure that I would do everything that I was humanly possible to do to ensure their protection/safety. He did eventually mature near the end, did he not? And from what I've seen, he clearly doesn’t like the fact that he has to lie to reduce his notoriety and even argued with Sam Adams to who really started the Battle at Lexington and Concord. Need I mention how humble he was throughout the war itself?

* He has every right to be seen as maybe ungrateful or emotionless because the colonists have been stealing their land and killing his people off, not to mention he doesn’t have much experience in the western culture so how was he supposed to act around them? The Internet was not available back then so he couldn’t look it up. He was basically being neutral and staying true to his roots in the mean time, including the fact about him not liking to be touched by people. In truth, in some Native American cultures, it is considered taboo to touch or be touched by someone who is not family or someone you don’t know (Don’t get me started with Paul Revere, Sam Adams but he lightened up, George Washington came to that side). Eventually, the people he spent a lot of time with grew accustomed to this and respected this “behavior.” People also said that he was whiny and such. Wasn’t Ezio whiny at the beginning as well and then matured over time? That’s exactly what happened with Connor considering he’s of a more cultural background.

* When they do make a Connor sequel, I would say:

Northwest Indian Wars (1785-1795) – This one may be an ideal event for him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Indian_War

Key figures:

George Washington, President of the United States
Henry Knox, Secretary of War
Josiah Harmar, general
Arthur St. Clair, governor of the Northwest Territory, major general
Anthony Wayne, major general
Timothy Pickering, diplomat, secretary of war, secretary of state
John Hardin, Colonel - killed on a peace mission at what would later become Hardin, Shelby County, Ohio.
Alexander Truman, Major - killed on a peace mission at what later became Ottawa, Ohio.

French Revolution (with Lafayette) (1789-1799)

War of 1812?

And please keep the same voice actor, Noah Watts; he did an epic job – I think he wants to pay Connor again as much as the fans do! And you know what will really please the fans? If he was involved in more than one war/event in his next game; he is that much of an ambitious person to get involved as much as he can to stop the Templars and fight for freedom.

* Speaking of acting, people believe the voice acting of the Native Americans, specifically Connor, was terrible. English is not his native language and the voice actor specifically did the acting like this on purpose because when you have a second language that you will eventually need to use, but not fluent in, you will expect to speak slowly and not to the fluent speaker’s normal speech as you are still trying to formulate the words to speak. You can't expect to be fluent in a second language when you’ve only learned it recently and such, not to mention he mainly started using it in his teenage years. Furthermore, English is the most complicated language in the world, but that’s a different story altogether.

* Why is it every time that we ask a staff member of Ubisoft or Ubisoft directly about Connor’s return, we get mixed answers and ambiguous statements?
When asked for a AC3 sequel or two with Connor:

- Alex Hutchison: It's hard to answer that without giving spoilers... Our goal is to ship a game every year but never to develop a game in a year. So obviously there has to be some decision-making before the previous one comes out. If there's a huge response to Connor then obviously it will fit into our future plans.

- Julien Laferrière: "We're going to see how players react to the guy [Connor] for sure. You'll get to experience portions of his life, you'll see why he becomes an assassin and what his motivations are. The more you know about Connor the more you'll love him, but in the end we'll see what the reception is like."
When asked about how the fans felt about Connor:

- Alex Hutchison: “We spent a lot of time working on this Assassin, trying to make someone who was compelling to people and seemed like a cool person to be. The fact that responses have been positive – we’ve already seen cosplaying and fan art – and people seem to really have adopted him, which was really satisfying.”
So what’s the problem? The fans loved him, the reaction was positive as they hoped, so why does it sound like they may be going back on their word about bringing him back?
There are many Connor supporters out there but they don’t speak up much because they have better things to do I suppose, so hopefully they will join the rest of us in being heard; we all have the right to be heard. The fan reception was huge and the company knows it, including Corey May and Alex Hutchison. I also wished they would release the survey results they had on him so we can see how strong the response from the fans were.

And yes, we do know that he was planned way before we even heard his name and such, but the fact of the matter is that when he came out and we played the game, the fans want more. I'm pretty sure Ezio’s sequels wasn’t planned after AC2 came out until the fans demanded it.

When asked about giving Connor an Ember’s ending:

- Darby McDevitt: “Not at this time. Embers took 6 months to make. It was a big project, and beloved by all, but those teams are busy with other things right now. But we loved the project, so maybe we’ll go that route again one day.”

I would rather have the sequel than a movie because writing a novel is taking the easy way out.

When asked again about making Connor come back for a sequel on Reddit:

- Darby McDevitt: "Not likely. We want Tumblr to pick up where we left off."

To be honest, I found this to be a little offensive: you’re basically telling the fans to continue the story themselves (fanfiction, really?) If that was the case, we would all have our own companies and be making them ourselves, but for a company to tell us that, then why are you in business? Unfortunately in this world, if you stop or don’t give fans or customers what they want/need, you are not going to last long. If you need help creating a new story for Connor to appear in, have a contest or something where whoever submits the best story for them to use for Connor will be used for a Connor sequel, or a fundraiser. But like I said, that statement is ambiguous.

Then he said something about don’t rely on us and make your own stories. Really? Isn’t that why the fans are paying for your products, to see stories properly and professional done? Need I say that you also mentioned “bringing closure is the top priority?”

You're basically sending us into loops. First, we’ll see what the fan reception is like → The fans loved him → I would love to do another Connor game → His return is not likely. Seriously? Did you not see the fan reception and you can't even give us a straight answer?

Considering there are people constantly asking Ubisoft just about everyday about Connor to come back, with the numbers growing by the day as well, we obviously want his return, so it would be stupid to not bring him back. Heck, even Noah Watts admitted himself that he would love to reprise his role in another game.

* IN CONCLUSION, if you are still not convinced that Connor is an awesome character, I strongly encourage you to play the game again, along with the side missions, and I assure you that you will most likely have a better understanding and different opinion about the character. Maybe this is one of those games where you have to play more than once to establish a deeper connection to the character. If you still can't relate to him in some way afterwards, I have nothing else to say to you and maybe you can't appreciate real characters in a video game like him. Therefore, I have nothing else to say to you.

* I am sooooo afraid to play AC4 because when I started playing the Assassin’s Creed series, you figured that would sum it up – Assassins! But a pirate? I don’t know. But I am not judging a book by its cover (or a game by its jacket). Yes I know he’s Connor’s grandfather but the idea of a pirate [assassin] makes me curious and cautious at the same time.

* Ubisoft, yearly releases? Do you really want the same thing to happen like in AC3 with glitches galore? Please take your time to develop these games to their full potential. As they say, anticipation makes the appetite grow stronger. We are willing to wait as long as the game quality is not compromised, as I'm sure you’ve stated yourself on several occasions. You really should also make some more patches for the game because I know some people who can't stop playing the game, but want to because of the glitches, not to mention you took out his epilogue speech that made many people change their minds about him afterwards. Heck, even making a re-mastered edition would be awesome with additional features; I bet more fans will like him and appreciate him then.

* Ubisoft, I am not only speaking for me, but for all the Connor lovers out there who remain silent. PLEASEEEEEEEEE make an awesome Connor sequel. You’re a great company with great games released just about all the time. It’s not like you’re guessing what we like; we are telling you exactly what we like. No more mixed messages. No more enigmas. No more switcheroos. The fan bases and petitions of this character grow every single day and eventually you guys will take the hint of what your fans are demanding. Unless you guys plan to surprise us in the near future, then by all means, keep leaving us in anticipation, but don’t decide to leave us hanging in the end. Eventually our voices will become loud enough for you to no longer ignore, because having an awesome character for one installment is not cool, or as Connor would say, “it is not enough.” ;)
Seriously:

* Ezio had three games, three novels and a short movie.

* Altair had one game, a handheld game, a novel and a cameo appearance in Revelations.

* Connor gets 8/12 of a game, a DLC, and the novel for the game was about his father?!

Thank you for reading this long post – it is much appreciated. Again, let me know your thoughts and such, but like I said, don’t take it as belittling anyone personally. I'm just addressing the haters and the like as a whole and just trying to help them understand anything that was misunderstood.

As your reward, you may watch this awesome fan made video titled “Assassin's Creed 3 Finishing Moves Compilation 1080p HD” (which I'm sure many of you guys have watched already, surprised it hasn’t reached 1 million views yet, but God knows how many times I've seen this video already…. So addicting~)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCbw9pRbMgQ

Yours in Brotherhood,

Humble_Assassin (=^_^=)

Assassin_M
01-19-2014, 07:42 PM
Well, let me just welcome you here and please...do not take the coming posts from other members as personal attacks to yourself. We just had a time period when SO MANY THREADS were made about Connor, so it became frustrating for many of us, so another Connor thread may not be taken kindly to, but it's nothing against YOU personally.

I'm a big Connor fan and he's my favorite Assassin along with Altair. I like all the Assassins, I like experiencing different stories, different personalities throughout grueling times in History, but I prefer the personality types of Connor and Altair. I like Stoic heroes. the strong, collected, silent types, BUT...I can easily see why others dislike this type of character and Connor. sure, people may have missed some things about him, but honestly? I can completely see why Connor does not appeal to some people and I actually agree with some of the criticisms. like the voice acting. Noah Watts was amazing, no doubt about it, but some lines were awfully delivered and it's most likely not Noah's fault, it's the director's, because he demonstrated that he CAN deliver powerful lines, but some other times, like in some homestead missions, his delivery is just so flat. Remember when Norris tells Connor that Miriam said yes to marrying him? Connor sounded so happy and excited, but then when he's walking with Timothy to arrange the wedding....He's is just indifferent...he sounds so bored, you know?

Then there's him being Monotone. Connor actually IS monotone. that's a type of badass and I don't see why other Connor fans would jump up and say "no, he's not monotone" I like that he's monotone. he's a straight to business, no non-sense type, but again I can completely see why that does not appeal to people.

Then there's the whole charisma thing. there're 2 things to this. The fantasy and meeting a real person. Many people like the charming, funny, light-hearted persons. they're attractive. they lighten the mood. they make you laugh, know a lot of jokes and they're just fun to be around. Gloomy characters like Connor may not be as attractive as Ezio. Connor is boring to them and that's fine. it's like meeting a real person and people's attraction to said person.
Then there's the fantasy. straight Guys like BEING charismatic, playboy jokers. the fantasy of being in the boots of charming noble is great. compared to Connor who's always so miserable.

So yeah, I don't prefer the Ezio archetype of protagonists, but I like Ezio a lot and you wont convince me to think otherwise or change my preference, so equally, I don't think you can change anyone's mind about Connor and about him not getting another game...I just accepted that fact. it gives him more mystique anyway...WAY more mystery around him and what he did later with his life. I like it that way and i'm fine with it

Hope you enjoy your stay here and like I said, the coming posts are not personal attacks at all

SpiritOfNevaeh
01-19-2014, 07:49 PM
I can understand if having nothing but Connor post may be annoying as I wouldn't want that as well, but I do see your point though. There will be times when people will not relate to him because they're used to the opposite kind personality or what the other assassins had for so long, but hey, he just came into the series so it's understandable. Not all things come perfect the first time…

I just don't want his story to be incomplete is all :)

Assassin_M
01-19-2014, 07:53 PM
I can understand if having nothing but Connor post may be annoying as I wouldn't want that as well, but I do see your point though. There will be times when people will not relate to him because they're used to the opposite kind personality or what the other assassins had for so long, but hey, he just came into the series so it's understandable. Not all things come perfect the first time…

I just don't want his story to be incomplete is all :)
I understand that and it can feel unfair when we'v been given closure to EVERY protagonist we'v been introduced to. I would love another game with Connor, but I wont beg for it. last thing I want is a rushed game that only came out because the fans asked for more Connor *cough*ACR*cough* I just accepted that we may not see everything for a protagonist and that protagonist is Connor, so...i'll pop in AC III if you want to play as Connor.

Shahkulu101
01-19-2014, 07:57 PM
Zomg OP jst cnt. Admittd dat Enzio is bsst hw cin u evn argyew wen cunner has pirsonality of wood block chrazmatic. Protagoniz moos B else dey are boar-ing

RavenWJF
01-19-2014, 07:58 PM
I love the Assassin's Creed games, and I can honestly say Connor is my favorite character. I am a huge Revolutionary war fan as well, so that played a huge part in it. I am not sure whether its people didn't like Connor, or didn't like aspects of the game. I am not a huge fan of the way they did the 100% sync missions (particularly the run down the dock and don't get hit one) in AC3, the follow missions are a pain, there is just so much randomness in whether you are successful.....like some random AI character bumps into you and then you fail the mission. Also, the way they end the last assassination is not very fulfilling. I am very happy with the way the 100% sync works in AC4, makes more sense and is more fun....except the follow and eaves drop ones lol.

But getting back to the topic, I would love to see more with Connor. The whole torn between two worlds and not belonging to either one was a huge aspect of the character, and made him brooding and not outgoing. He is completely different from Ezio and I like that. I don't want to see the same character over and over again. So yeah....more Connor please!!!!

Fatal-Feit
01-19-2014, 08:02 PM
Connor is undoubtedly my favorite too, but let's not force a sequel into production. A novel or a short movie would be great, but another AAA title game could be for the worse.

SpiritOfNevaeh
01-19-2014, 08:24 PM
Yeah, Ubisoft shouldn't be rushing any games out to the public until it is absolutely 99% free of glitches and such; not all graphic extensive games are perfect, but still, with the glitches that the game had were atrocious. When they do decide to get a sequel, I rather have it good than fast :)

SixKeys
01-19-2014, 08:24 PM
What's this? M is actually being constructive and fair? No "AC2 and Ezio sucks 4evar"? Are you feeling all right?

Shahkulu101
01-19-2014, 08:27 PM
What's this? M is actually being constructive and fair? No "AC2 and Ezio sucks 4evar"? Are you feeling all right?

He was just pulling everyone's pisser with that I think...

lothario-da-be
01-19-2014, 08:29 PM
Jay a new Connor fan on the forums!

SixKeys
01-19-2014, 08:29 PM
He was just pulling everyone's pisser with that I think...

I don't know, I've seen those posts a lot more than the more thoughtful ones in this thread, so I'm more inclined to think THIS is the real trolling...

lothario-da-be
01-19-2014, 08:53 PM
I don't know, I've seen those posts a lot more than the more thoughtful ones in this thread, so I'm more inclined to think THIS is the real trolling...
Sometimes i wonder if M is mentaly stable. lol

adventurewomen
01-19-2014, 09:36 PM
Beautifully written post OP, I agree with everything you said! :)

SpiritOfNevaeh
01-19-2014, 09:41 PM
Beautifully written post OP, I agree with everything you said! :)

Thank you kindly ~^_^~

adventurewomen
01-19-2014, 09:55 PM
Thank you kindly ~^_^~
You're very welcome, as I'm Mohawk I really liked how you respectfully talked about Ratonhnhaké:ton. Much appreciated! <3

SpiritOfNevaeh
01-19-2014, 10:02 PM
You're very welcome, as I'm Mohawk I really liked how you respectfully talked about Ratonhnhaké:ton. Much appreciated! <3

That's awesome. That means a lot coming from someone of such a cultural background :)

silvermercy
01-19-2014, 10:04 PM
I also agree with you OP. :) I like the stoic silent monotone types myself so Connor was bound to be my fave assassin. (I'm not a wolfkin tumblr girl, just a tumblr girl btw. lol :p)
But, hey, don't get discouraged about the pirate theme of AC4. I thought I would dislike Edward but he really grows on you. I also think location-wise is the most beautiful yet.

Assassin_M
01-19-2014, 10:10 PM
But, hey, don't get discouraged about the pirate theme of AC4. I thought I would dislike Edward but he really grows on you.
I second this.

adventurewomen
01-19-2014, 10:28 PM
That's awesome. That means a lot coming from someone of such a cultural background :)
Thanks, honoured that it means a lot to you - if you would like you can send me a PM anytime if you would like to know more about our tribal traditions and culture. :)

Like Slivermercy, I'm a Tumblr girl also (I won't post my tumblr URL in this post). It's always nice to talk to people who appreciate Connor.:)

Kaschra
01-20-2014, 12:49 AM
I love how the OP instantly assumes everyone who disliked Connor just didn't understand him and/or his story. Classy.
Why do you assume that everyone who dislikes Connor "barely knows his backstory"? "Reconsider their mislead thoughts"?
You say that everyone is entitled to their opinion... unless you don't like Connor, then you are "mislead" and " can't appreciate a real character".



* Speaking of acting, people believe the voice acting of the Native Americans, specifically Connor, was terrible. English is not his native language and the voice actor specifically did the acting like this on purpose because when you have a second language that you will eventually need to use, but not fluent in, you will expect to speak slowly and not to the fluent speaker’s normal speech as you are still trying to formulate the words to speak. You can't expect to be fluent in a second language when you’ve only learned it recently and such, not to mention he mainly started using it in his teenage years. Furthermore, English is the most complicated language in the world, but that’s a different story altogether.

I really don't like his voice at all. It even made me cringe a few times. Ziio however sounds badass, and the other Natives are alright as well. So... nope, I only have a problem with Connor's voice. I'm not a fan of monotone voices.
Just learned? Then... why isn't he getting better during the course of the game? During the end of the game he is like what? 27? 13 years among English speakers, but his English was stil the same.
And how is English the most complicated language in the world???




* IN CONCLUSION, if you are still not convinced that Connor is an awesome character, I strongly encourage you to play the game again, along with the side missions, and I assure you that you will most likely have a better understanding and different opinion about the character. Maybe this is one of those games where you have to play more than once to establish a deeper connection to the character. If you still can't relate to him in some way afterwards, I have nothing else to say to you and maybe you can't appreciate real characters in a video game like him. Therefore, I have nothing else to say to you.
When I played AC3 for the first time, I started out liking Connor... but the more I played, the less I liked him. And when I replayed the game a week before AC4's release, I disliked him even more.

SpiritOfNevaeh
01-20-2014, 01:12 AM
I love how the OP instantly assumes everyone who disliked Connor just didn't understand him and/or his story. Classy.
Why do you assume that everyone who dislikes Connor "barely knows his backstory"? "Reconsider their mislead thoughts"?
You say that everyone is entitled to their opinion... unless you don't like Connor, then you are "mislead" and " can't appreciate a real character".



I really don't like his voice at all. It even made me cringe a few times. Ziio however sounds badass, and the other Natives are alright as well. So... nope, I only have a problem with Connor's voice. I'm not a fan of monotone voices.
Just learned? Then... why isn't he getting better during the course of the game? During the end of the game he is like what? 27? 13 years among English speakers, but his English was stil the same.
And how is English the most complicated language in the world???




When I played AC3 for the first time, I started out liking Connor... but the more I played, the less I liked him. And when I replayed the game a week before AC4's release, I disliked him even more.

I never assumed that everyone that didn't like Connor misunderstood him and I did say that everyone was entitled to their opinions. I was just shedding some light on any thoughts about him that weren't clear and thus he was seen negatively. If anyone did understand him and still didn't like him, then hey, to each his own. And that's that.

And yes, English is a very complicated language. Words with their pronunciations, how they're spelt, etc. but this is not the forum for that, nor do I have the time/interest to explain (Look it up :)) lol. Even when you are exposed for years to a second language, most of the time you can't be that fluent. I have been learning Japanese for many years and I am nowhere near fluent.

And if you dislike him after playing more than once, like I said, I have nothing more to say because I have already cleared up what I wanted to clear up and it's not like I'm telling you "No, this is the real deal, now you must like Connor!" because everyone like different characters for their own reasons; I was just trying to make sense of his.

Kaschra
01-20-2014, 01:18 AM
I never assumed that everyone that didn't like Connor misunderstood him and I did say that everyone was entitled to their opinions. I was just shedding some light on any thoughts about him that weren't clear and thus he was seen negatively. If anyone did understand him and still didn't like him, then hey, to each his own. And that's that.

And yes, English is a very complicated language. Words with their pronunciations, how they're spelt, etc. but this is not the forum for that, nor do I have the time/interest to explain (Look it up :)) lol. Even when you are exposed for years to a second language, most of the time you can't be that fluent. I have been learning Japanese for many years and I am nowhere near fluent.

And if you dislike him after playing more than once, like I said, I have nothing more to say because I have already cleared up what I wanted to clear up and it's not like I'm telling you "No, this is the real deal, now you must like Connor!" because everyone like different characters for their own reasons; I was just trying to make sense of his.

Alright. Sorry, the way you worded it really irked me. I already came across several people who claimed that anyone who disliked Connor simply doesn't understand him.

And I still don't think English is the most complicated language in the world... though I guess it depends on where you're from. For me it was rather easy. French on the other hand...

Assassin_M
01-20-2014, 01:30 AM
French on the other hand...
Bad memories :|

masterfenix2009
01-20-2014, 01:40 AM
And I still don't think English is the most complicated language in the world... though I guess it depends on where you're from. For me it was rather easy. French on the other hand...
It definitely depends on where you are from. For instance, I lived next to a middle aged woman for 15 year and even now she only speaks Spanish and not one bit of English.

pacmanate
01-20-2014, 10:42 AM
He was just pulling everyone's pisser with that I think...
Even the woman one?

itsamea-mario
01-20-2014, 01:34 PM
I am a big Connor fan as well, but not one of those die hard fangirls or a Wolfkin Tumblr member (not that there’s anything wrong with that)

Mr_Shade
01-20-2014, 01:41 PM
welcome to the forums.. :)

itsamea-mario
01-20-2014, 02:04 PM
yes...
welcome.......

dbzk1999
01-20-2014, 02:19 PM
To be honest I could care less for Connor
I just follow any type of assassin no matter what their background is
Only thing I didn't like about him was how he rushed into conclusions

FreeKnowledge
01-20-2014, 02:27 PM
Welcome to the forums,I don't like Connor much but hey to each their own.

ConanTheLeader
01-20-2014, 02:37 PM
AC3 grew on me and became more and more enjoyable during my second playthrough four months ago.

Connor himself is great, and it's a shame we won't get another game with him, because he was not liked as much as other assassins. Just his background and heritage is nice, his goals in life are nice and his personality is a nice change from Altair and Ezio.

Fatal-Feit
01-20-2014, 02:56 PM
AC3 grew on me and became more and more enjoyable during my second playthrough four months ago.

Connor himself is great, and it's a shame we won't get another game with him, because he was not liked as much as other assassins. Just his background and heritage is nice, his goals in life are nice and his personality is a nice change from Altair and Ezio.

Very much! I wish people would stop hating on characters that are not like Altair and Ezio. One thing I enjoyed about Connor was that he was really cool and unique and could stand up there with the two without looking like a carbon copy made to cater fanboys.

Ubisoft doesn't have to create another Connor, but I hope they continue this road with how they've done the Kenway.

SenseHomunculus
01-20-2014, 03:15 PM
I love how the OP instantly assumes everyone who disliked Connor just didn't understand him and/or his story.

That's the vibe I got from the OP, too. It's overly simplistic and does a disservice to your fellow gamers. AC3's story pulled me in right away, even though the first chapter started to plod along after a bit. The big plot twist with Haytham was very well done! It got me excited for what else was to come in the story.

I understood and appreciated Connor's story in general and the Native American's backstory and the wider historical context of the game. I'm a big history buff and reader and I thought the way they incorporated the Revolutionary-era historical events and characters into the AC universe was done really well; possibly the best of all the AC games. I just thought the writing for Connor's character specifically was not well done. I understand the choices they made with his character, I just didn't like them, and simply didn't like him as a character. I also thought the voice acting was uninspired. That's just the way it is with ANY art form, whether it's games, films, theater, whatever. By its very nature, it's always going to be subjective. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

As for replaying the game for the purpose of maybe liking Connor more, I don't think I could take playing it again, to be honest. *SPOILER* I actually didn't make it all the way through the King George DLC because I just didn't feel like playing the Connor character any longer, and also because the notion that the historical George Washington -- if you've read any bios of him -- would decide he wanted to be Emperor of America is SO contrafactual that it borders on ridiculous, even for a videogame. I know, I know, he was corrupted by the Apple and all. I might finish it up at some point. Again, it's a personal preference. If they did make a follow-up Connor game, I would play it because it's an AC game, but not because I liked Connor.

adventurewomen
01-20-2014, 03:55 PM
..I also thought the voice acting was uninspired...
You need to listen to this interview again, and carefully if you haven't done so, because Noah clearly explains why Connor speaks the way he does:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU1KeUWEVa4

SenseHomunculus
01-20-2014, 04:27 PM
You need to listen to this interview again, and carefully if you haven't done so, because Noah clearly explains why Connor speaks the way he does:

Thanks for the vid, I will listen when I get the chance.

If it's regarding what many people say is his "monotone" then i don't really have a problem with that. There are people I know IRL who speak in that same manner. It's just -- I don't know, his characterization just didn't grab me, hard to put my finger on. FWIW I feel much the same way about Altair, but for different reasons. I found Altair's character annoying and overly broad, and the fact that his fellow Middle Easterners spoke with even a little bit of an accent of some sort, and he spoke like he was from Utah or something, was really disconcerting.

SpiritOfNevaeh
01-20-2014, 09:32 PM
You need to listen to this interview again, and carefully if you haven't done so, because Noah clearly explains why Connor speaks the way he does:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU1KeUWEVa4

Yeah, I listened to most of this podcast. He does explain a lot about why he did the voice acting, the personality of the character , etc. and that makes him more admirable.

SpiritOfNevaeh
01-20-2014, 09:43 PM
Thanks for the vid, I will listen when I get the chance.

If it's regarding what many people say is his "monotone" then i don't really have a problem with that. There are people I know IRL who speak in that same manner. It's just -- I don't know, his characterization just didn't grab me, hard to put my finger on. FWIW I feel much the same way about Altair, but for different reasons. I found Altair's character annoying and overly broad, and the fact that his fellow Middle Easterners spoke with even a little bit of an accent of some sort, and he spoke like he was from Utah or something, was really disconcerting.

I don't mind monotoned characters even if their personality is not epic (they may have been through something we don't know yet or some other reason), but hey, if there is something else overshadowing that to make it more acceptable, then that's a double whammy!

There are plenty of other monotones out there that I'm sure we all have some kind of feelings for, good or bad. Series like Kingdom Hearts, Portal, Mass Effect, World of Warcraft, etc. I'm pretty sure they all have their reasons :)

Toa TAK
01-20-2014, 10:39 PM
I'm always up for another Conner thread.

Basically, after Ezio for three full games, having Connor was a great shake up, personality and character-wise. He's my favorite, Altair being #2.

I'd say more, but M always seems to suck the thoughts from my mind.

SpiritOfNevaeh
01-20-2014, 10:47 PM
I'm always up for another Conner thread.

Basically, after Ezio for three full games, having Connor was a great shake up, personality and character-wise. He's my favorite, Altair being #2.

I'd say more, but M always seems to suck the thoughts from my mind.

I agree with you on Altair. He was my favorite until Connor came along :)

SpiritOfNevaeh
02-24-2014, 01:07 AM
I just saw this posted on reddit one day ago and I just had to post it here. Clearly someone else understands what a character Connor is and is more of a hint to Ubisoft how much Connor is [still] loved… *insert crying applause gif here*

[–]IFeelLikeAndyMercenario 69 points 1 day ago*

I remember seeing someone belittle AC3 and the writers so I felt obligated to write this a while ago...

The people who wrote and plotted ACIII were ******s. They took a perfectly good template for a character and...stomp stomp stomp.

I've never seen a more ignorant and downright one sided comment before in my entire life. Connor Kenway was one of the most well developed characters in the entirety of the Assassin's Creed Franchise. What Ubisoft did with Connor is what inspired me to want to write and gives me hope that more writers can take note of what Corey May, Matt Turner, and their team did with Connor, Native Americans everywhere, and Assassin's Creed in general. Ubisoft's team of writers did what many in the industry are afraid of doing; They told the harsh but undeniable truth about America's history

Connor was a very stoic and troubled young man, there's no doubt about that, but its not because he's a ****, or a ****** as I've read, but because in the Mohawk tribe men and women are taught at a very young age that to show emotion is to show weakness. This is why Connor seems very stern and straightforward when talking to "the white man" and he even goes out of his way and refuses to speak with contractions so as to keep himself on a higher level than non natives. Not only that, but these are the people who have abandoned him, shunned him, taken his land his home his life, and spat on him afterwards. Oh, and when I say him I mean his people and Native Americans in all of Colonial North America.

Connor is the soul embodiment of millions of Native Americans who fought and died for what they believed knew was right, and Ubisoft did a beautiful job of expressing this. If you study Connor as a character you will see that whenever someone who is not from his tribe touches him, he will look at them and move away quickly and scornfully. However, as he spends more time in the new world he digresses from his native culture and even uses contractions when speaking, allows himself to befriend non natives, and later on he even begins to show much emotion in his voice, which is completely different from the Connor we met in the beginning of his life.

But after everything he went through he saw that what these men were doing to his people was also being done to their own men. He witnessed The Boston Massacre and saw that the world was more than he once thought, and the corruption of these people was much more than he thought. It was then that he learned to not only fight for the freedom of his people but for the freedom of all people, no matter the cost. Even if he must go at it alone, Connor had a moral obligation to help save the world around him.

| Lee: "Even those men you sought to save have turned their backs on you. Yet you fight, you resist. Why?"

Connor: "Because no one else will!"

Ubisoft honored Native Americans by not making this a game about some angry red skin who goes by the name Soars With Eagles who is covered head to toe in feathers, but instead they focused on remaining true to history and truly expressing the hatred, fear, and will power of The Native Man in The New World. Ubisoft even went so far out of their way as to learn that in Mohawk Culture people do not use a name more than once and after learning this, Ubisoft had to do extensive amounts of research to find a suitable name for their new conflicted protagonist that has never before been used in recorded history. And thus, Ratonhnhaké:ton was born. Yet after all this work, Ubisoft got hurt by bringing to life the heart of the real Native American Culture instead of tarnishing it like the media enjoys doing so often. And its because of this, that I have lost a lot of hope for the culturally diverse world that I thought I was now living in.

Connor was a significantly more believable character than most people's beloved Ezio was. He saw things at a young age that scarred him for life and experienced so much that it made him into the tragic hero that is praised by few and underappreciated by many more. The only mistake Ubisoft made was not releasing Connor's Epilogue that summed up the tragic story that is his life and after ACIV is now the Kenway Family Tragedy.

All of this was not done by Connor but by a team of gifted writers who know that telling a story the way it should be told is more important than showing a blatant disregard of the harsh truth of the Native American culture.

Edit: Connor's Written Epilogue for those who cannot watch it…

Mother, Father, I am sorry. I have failed you both.

I made a promise to protect our people. I thought…I thought if I could stop the templars... if I could keep the Revolution free from their influence...that those I supported would do what was right.

They did... I suppose, do what was right… What was right for them.

As for you, Father: I thought I might unite us, that we would forget the past and forge a better future.

In time I believed you could be made to see the world as I did; to understand…but it was just a dream. This too, I should have known.

Were we not meant to live in peace, then?! Is that it?

Are we born to argue? To fight?

So many voices, each demanding something else… It has been hard at times, but never harder than today to see all I worked for; perverted, discarded, forgotten!
You would say I have described the whole of history, Father. Are you smiling, then? Hoping I might speak the words you long to hear? To validate you? To say that all along, you were right?

... I will not.

Even now, faced as I am with the truth of your cold words, I refuse, because I believe things can still change. I may never succeed... the Assassin's may struggle another thousand years in vain... but we will not stop!

Compromise. That is what everyone has insisted upon. And so I have learned it. But differently than most, I think…

I realize now that it will take time; that the road ahead is long, and shrouded in darkness. It is a road that will not always take me where I wish to go, and I doubt I will live to see its end. But I will travel down it nonetheless.

For at my side walks hope. In the face of all that insists I turn back, I carry on. This…

This is my compromise.

adventurewomen
02-24-2014, 01:58 AM
^^ That was so beautiful and on point especially when they mentioned our cultural beliefs and heritage, Connor does indeed represent and embodies what our people had to experience at the time, the bloodshed it is still fresh with us that we live with the scars today. Connor is the most well developed AC character we have had, I only wish more fans take the time to notice this, even Connor's subtle nuances and expressions tell us a lot more than what Connor has said, like for example during the homestead missions; when Prudence is about to give birth. Connor's expression at first was that of worry & concern then his expression transformed into expression that would suggest he was contemplating his future. if you look beyond his body language you'll see he is thinking about his future, when will he finally be able to settle down and find a wife and have children. There is so many hidden depths that aren't obviously seen but if you look closer at Connor with his expressions you'll see many important things that he has left unsaid.

Ubisoft did honor my tribal heritage. I've been playing AC since the beginning and I was just so happy when Ubisoft announced AC3 would be centered on a Mohawk character that was the happiest day of my life. The elders in my tribe when I went back to the rez, after I had completed AC3 & TOKW, I showed them the cutscenes that were fully spoken in Kanien’kéha and they were impressed and were just very happy with the portrayal of our culture, language, beliefs and spirituality in a respectful accurate way.

I saw a comment on a social media website about Connor the person called him timid, which is completely untrue. Connor was a brave warrior who was fearless, and he represented that with honor and dignity. That timid comment was from a die-hard Ezio fan, so that explains that.

I also love that no matter how many people backstabbed Connor he remained focused on his cause and also remained humble! :)

Also that post was the only good thing to come out from Reddit in the past few months concerning Connor, even that official AC AMA that was depressing for us Connor fans..

Niá:wen for posting that great post here, my friend. :)

Dome500
02-24-2014, 02:17 AM
Connor was always my least favorite character. But it wasn't because I thought that he was stupid or necessarily bad.
He is only my least favorite because I personally couldn't identify myself with him.

That's all.

I always thought him kind of naive and very passionate about justice and freedom, especially for his people.
I just couldn't identify with him.

SpiritOfNevaeh
02-24-2014, 03:15 AM
^^ That was so beautiful and on point especially when they mentioned our cultural beliefs and heritage, Connor does indeed represent and embodies what our people had to experience at the time, the bloodshed it is still fresh with us that we live with the scars today. Connor is the most well developed AC character we have had, I only wish more fans take the time to notice this, even Connor's subtle nuances and expressions tell us a lot more than what Connor has said, like for example during the homestead missions; when Prudence is about to give birth. Connor's expression at first was that of worry & concern then his expression transformed into expression that would suggest he was contemplating his future. if you look beyond his body language you'll see he is thinking about his future, when will he finally be able to settle down and find a wife and have children. There is so many hidden depths that aren't obviously seen but if you look closer at Connor with his expressions you'll see many important things that he has left unsaid.

Ubisoft did honor my tribal heritage. I've been playing AC since the beginning and I was just so happy when Ubisoft announced AC3 would be centered on a Mohawk character that was the happiest day of my life. The elders in my tribe when I went back to the rez, after I had completed AC3 & TOKW, I showed them the cutscenes that were fully spoken in Kanien’kéha and they were impressed and were just very happy with the portrayal of our culture, language, beliefs and spirituality in a respectful accurate way.

I saw a comment on a social media website about Connor the person called him timid, which is completely untrue. Connor was a brave warrior who was fearless, and he represented that with honor and dignity. That timid comment was from a die-hard Ezio fan, so that explains that.

I also love that no matter how many people backstabbed Connor he remained focused on his cause and also remained humble! :)

Also that post was the only good thing to come out from Reddit in the past few months concerning Connor, even that official AC AMA that was depressing for us Connor fans..

Niá:wen for posting that great post here, my friend. :)

Glad to hear it had that effect on you and your people. It makes playing the game all the sweeter :) I strongly believe there's hope…. and it will come sooner or later.

SpiritOfNevaeh
02-24-2014, 03:17 AM
Connor was always my least favorite character. But it wasn't because I thought that he was stupid or necessarily bad.
He is only my least favorite because I personally couldn't identify myself with him.

That's all.

I always thought him kind of naive and very passionate about justice and freedom, especially for his people.
I just couldn't identify with him.

Very understandable since it's not a character that everyone is used to the first time around. Hopefully he'll grow on everyone because as far as I've read, a lot of people have changed their minds about Connor after playing the game a couple more times and reading posts like these ^_^

adventurewomen
02-24-2014, 03:53 AM
Glad to hear it had that effect on you and your people. It makes playing the game all the sweeter :) I strongly believe there's hope…. and it will come sooner or later.
Agreed, definitely makes AC3 more worthwhile but it also hits right in the feels. Hope is worth holding on to especially since anything could happen in the future of AC. Really holding on to hope for Ratonhnhaké:ton to return he deserves the best.


Connor was always my least favorite character. But it wasn't because I thought that he was stupid or necessarily bad.
He is only my least favorite because I personally couldn't identify myself with him.

That's all.

I always thought him kind of naive and very passionate about justice and freedom, especially for his people.
I just couldn't identify with him.
Fair enough you may have not identified with Connor, but it's a bit far to then call him stupid and a bad character when you didn't understand him. Like in real life for example, you wouldn't judge someone just because you don't understand them you would make an effort to get to know them. Connor is a deep character, and he's not flamboyant as Ezio but that doesn't matter. What's more important is that how deep a character is like the ocean, that's what makes Connor interesting. Maybe you should re-play AC3 to understand his character more with an open mind, you may start to understand him better.

Connor was only naive in his teenager years until his early 20s. Connor became an Assassin at the age of 15, then when you see when he throws the hatchet into the post he was 17 so still even then he was naive - to give you an idea of his ages through the years. He was around the age of 25 when he started to see peoples true colors and by the end of AC3 he became wise he was 27 at the time.

Dome500
02-24-2014, 04:50 AM
Fair enough you may have not identified with Connor, but it's a bit far to then call him stupid and a bad character when you didn't understand him

You understood me wrong. I was saying that I did exactly NOT think that way about him.

avk111
02-24-2014, 10:33 AM
ABRR,


One thing im not very fond of is the lack of information in terms of goal and ambitions as per seen with the cut epilogue:

Anyway here is how I try to understand situation, the communities found in the Americas are(in simple terms):

1- Native American tribes: Mohawk tribes + Connors tribe

2- Colonists: Boston , New York , frontier

3- Homestead village


Please point me on the right direction here, When Connor met Haytham during "Alternative Methods" sequence , Haytham pointed out that the colonists struggle was purely for the white man. Connor said he has to reconsider things as people like him and Surry have no chance in having their own freedom in the new world.

Next when "Broken Trust" took place, basically when Haytham proved to Connor that the colonists struggle have no good for the natives, Connor threatened Washington and Haytham that if they oppose him they will die by his hands, As Connor went to his village and killed his best friend , he realised that his people "will never be safe"

Still he continued his fight because according to the Forsaken book , when Charles spoke to Haytham about Connor's affiliation with Washington I remeber Haytham said " Even after knowing the truth about Washington, he continued his path, you would like him Charles , he i.e. Connor , has belief" he still had belief that the people will do what is right and protect his natives.

Time passed by and Connor was reluctant on the colonists cause,but he still had to fight for the Homestead villagers, he thought that if he can get rid of Lee , then his father might change his method of control upon the country and the country will be ruled by the people, i.e. the homestead people , not the colonists who reside in the Cities.

But Haytham logically insisted that Charles Lee should lead the country ,since Washington was a threat to natives and other minorities. and with Charles Lee leading the country will be unified.

Thus Connor continued his path towards getting rid of Lee, in the midst of his path Haytham put his foot down and thus was killed by his own son the assassin and eventually also Lee.

Connor Saved the people of the homestead , but he also saved the same people who believe in imperialism i.e. the people of the city.

Now please correct me with the way I understood the story , as I have doubts. about some points.

Thank you

GunnerGalactico
02-24-2014, 06:58 PM
Connor is one my favourite assassins in the series, second to Ezio. To me he was just different compared to other assassins or any other videogame character. Connor is one of those characters that have an inbuilt sense of right and wrong and his values are deeply ingrained in him. I like that Connor wasn't clichéd like most native American characters.. he did not sound anything like Tonto from The Lone Ranger. I admit I did not like him at first, but as I progressed in AC3, he grew on me.

What I admired the most about Connor was his resilience and determination, he is a warrior in every sense of the word. Even though things did not work out his way, he never lost hope... he kept on fighting for what he believed in. Sure, he is not the type of character that everyone will appreciate, but that's just how it is. Haters are gonna hate, you can't change anyone else's opinion.

SpiritOfNevaeh
02-24-2014, 07:03 PM
Connor is one my favourite assassins in the series, second to Ezio. To me he was just different compared to other assassins or any other videogame character. Connor is one of those characters that have an inbuilt sense of right and wrong and his values are deeply ingrained in him. I like that Connor wasn't clichéd like most native American characters.. he did not sound anything like Tonto from The Lone Ranger. I admit I did not like him at first, but as I progressed in AC3, he grew on me.

What I admired the most about Connor was his resilience and determination, he is a warrior in every sense of the word. Even though things did not work out his way, he never lost hope... he kept on fighting for what he believed in. Sure, he is not the type of character that everyone will appreciate, but that's just how it is. Haters are gonna hate, you can't change anyone else's opinion.

*bear hugs*

GunnerGalactico
02-24-2014, 07:05 PM
*bear hugs*

You're welcome ;)