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Achilles97
01-30-2004, 11:39 AM
I fly the G6/AS because it's not the latest model, but seems very good. BUT, I don't really know the difference between the G6/AS, G14, and K4.

Which one turns the best? Climbs the best? Fastest?

Is the K4 better than the others?

If you can give me a campare-and-contrast on those three planes I will really appreciate it.

Thanks!

Achilles97
01-30-2004, 11:39 AM
I fly the G6/AS because it's not the latest model, but seems very good. BUT, I don't really know the difference between the G6/AS, G14, and K4.

Which one turns the best? Climbs the best? Fastest?

Is the K4 better than the others?

If you can give me a campare-and-contrast on those three planes I will really appreciate it.

Thanks!

carguy_
01-30-2004, 12:09 PM
K4 climbs the best and is fastest - G6/AS a close runner-up

G14 - best maneuverability("turns the best" doesn`t exist in LW!).

G10 is just as fast as G6/AS and climbs itty bitty worse than K4.

G6 is the most common variant but also the most crappy one(no Erla Haube canopy).

Generally the best Me109 is the K4.

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Abbuzze
01-30-2004, 12:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Achilles97:
I fly the G6/AS because it's not the latest model, but seems very good. BUT, I don't really know the difference between the G6/AS, G14, and K4.

Which one turns the best? Climbs the best? Fastest?

Is the K4 better than the others?

If you can give me a campare-and-contrast on those three planes I will really appreciate it.

Thanks!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmm I will talk more about real life planes, ...
Fb is sometimes a bit wired
1st you forgot the G10 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif but let us start with the G6AS with isn´t a G6AS in FB but an ASM, this means it had a DB 605 ASM engine, basicly a DB605A (like in G2 or G6) with a Special loader for high alt and M for MW50 injection.
Also take a look at
http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/home.html
Here you lear a lot about the engines which were used in 109s
The G6ASM had a real good high alt performance, I remember I read a report where a LW pilot wrote that they didn´t fear Mustangs high up, but they avoid to play with them down low... this real sounds like the pure G6AS (the engine had less power at sealevel than a G2!!!)

The G6AS was build cause the DB605D wasn´t ready at this time- this engine was build in the G10, since spring 44. It offers a better high alt (let us say medium alt for P51/47) performance than a normal G6 and was similar to the AS(M).

The K4 was a redesign, with an optimised aerodynamic, completly coverd gear, tailwheel was rejectable, and so on, some internal changes (positon of the radio) real good climber and real fast... Hartmann reported that he simply outrun a Mustang with this plane.

The G14 was build before the G10, this was the try to restandardize the production of the old G6 it got all improvements which was ever build in G6s (MW50 for example!) and try it it is a very good plane, so if you ever read about the outdated and obsolet G6 in 43... try a G14 which is basicly the same plane with a stronger engine!

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x__CRASH__x
01-30-2004, 12:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carguy_:
K4 climbs the best and is fastest - G6/AS a close runner-up

G14 - best maneuverability("turns the best" doesn`t exist in LW!).

G10 is just as fast as G6/AS and climbs itty bitty worse than K4.

G6 is the most common variant but also the most crappy one(no Erla Haube canopy).

Generally the best Me109 is the K4.

http://carguy.w.interia.pl/tracki/sig23d.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll disagree with carguy on some points.

K4 climbs the fastest and is faster than the other two. But it turns like concrete.

G10 has almost the same power as the K4, but can turn a lot better. To me, it's the best all around late war 109 in the game. In real life it was actually the last 109 to be built, even after that K4. If I'm not sure if the fight is going to be high or low, or I know it will be both, this is my ride.

G14 is a very close second to the G10, but it doesn't have quite the power that the G10 has, and doesn't climb as fast.

The G6A/S Doesn't have the power of any of them, but it's got much better turning ability. If I know I'm going to be in the weeds with Yaks and La-7's, then I fly this.

To say a 109 can't turn usually means a pilot hasn't figured out how yet. Speed control (including proper prop pitch... never rely on Auto in a 109) and flap position is the key to proper 109 TnB. If you don't believe me, ask the numerous Yak, La, and P-39 pilots who have burned from my guns. Sure, you can't expect to match their turn radius, but you can use the advantages of the 109 to defeat them, and not let them exploit the numerous disadvantages.

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Achilles97
01-30-2004, 03:26 PM
I can't decide which is the better overall plane.

When I look at the game stats, it shows that the G6/AS has more power down low than the G10 with the 605D engine.

From what I see in the game stats, the G6/AS is better than everything except the K4.

I guess I'll just have to fly each one and see what I think. I wish you could fly, then save it, and then fly with your "ghost", so you can compare the performance of different planes.

x__CRASH__x
01-30-2004, 06:44 PM
What I do is just use the different planes in the same situation and see which one fits better. I don't pay much attention to stats or historical records. Besides, the FM changes with almost ever patch, and the 109 has been teaked and messed up quite a number of times.

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Dunkelgrun
01-30-2004, 06:53 PM
Chaps,
Please tell me that you don't need to work and can afford time to sort all of this out. After two years of IL-2/FB I still have no idea about the comparisons between marks of a certain type. OK, I can spot the difference in handling between a 109 and Hurricane, but G14s K4 and G6/AS I have no idea.
Do you have another life outside of this. If you don't I'm going to be happy in my ignorance. If you do then I'm really really depressed.

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x__CRASH__x
01-30-2004, 07:40 PM
If I told you about my real life then you would be depressed.

The 109 is my favorite aircraft. I couldn't tell you the differences between Yaks or MiGs.

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GoodKn1ght
01-30-2004, 09:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dunkelgrun:
Chaps,
Please tell me that you don't need to work and can afford time to sort all of this out. After two years of IL-2/FB I still have no idea about the comparisons between marks of a certain type. OK, I can spot the difference in handling between a 109 and Hurricane, but G14s K4 and G6/AS I have no idea. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

oh gee, theres a hurricane in your sig. no wonder!!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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x__CRASH__x
01-31-2004, 02:18 AM
*takes GK's cokebottle glasses and cleans them on t-shirt*

Look again genius. Thats a 2 engine bomber. No wonder you can't hit sh1t! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


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wastel
01-31-2004, 05:36 AM
fb does not simulate the planes like they have been.

the G14 was an beast at low to med alt, at high alte only like a ag6
the g10 was good at all alt areas, but not best
the g6/AS(G14/AS) was the best high alt version. but bad at low alt
the k4 is like the G10 but only faster at all alts.
the G6/14/AS sah only little comabt at the east front, because they where used at the west front to fight the escorts

wastel

F19_Ob
01-31-2004, 06:22 AM
The main differences in the G6 models are the engines and its no big difference.
On later G6 also the galland hood came as standard. So a G6 is essentially a G2 with a better engine, galland hood= better vis backwards, and better machine guns and possibility to change the 20mmm canon to 30mm.

G10 was an attempt to standardise the G6 and some improvements in the engine. Later came a taller tail and tailwheel leg to improve forward vis.

G14 i essentially the same as g10 but with improved supercharger.


The K variants was also based on G10 and had longer propspinner , a raised cowling, raised tail + tailwheel, stronger gear= bumps on wings and a 30mm cannon as standard.

The K2 had a bit improved engine and the K4 was a K2 with cockpitpressurization.

MiloMorai
01-31-2004, 06:58 AM
ob_swe, I think your word processer swapped some of your text around.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Your facts don't jive with what noted authors, such as Prien and Rodeike, say about the the late model 109s.



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GoodKn1ght
01-31-2004, 12:36 PM
w/e that is under his name, sig w/e t f u wanna call it. looks like a hurri or a spit. obviously the guy doesnt fly bfs.

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VW-IceFire
01-31-2004, 12:45 PM
There are enough differences in the Bf 109 models that you'll see a number of pilots finding the best fit for them online. I see the G-10 and G-14 being my best fit when flying the 109 although I intially started with the K-4.

Try them all and see which ones fit you're style the best.

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01-31-2004, 01:03 PM
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