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Destraex
02-13-2004, 11:50 PM
I was reading osprey "aces of the mighty eighth" that I purchased the other day in anticipation of the Lightning in ACES expansion PAck.

One thing I noticed is that late war P51 pilots had the use of G-Suits that filled with water or air to tighten around crucial areas to stop the blood going anywhere and causing the redout or blackout effects that are caused in high G situations.

What I want to know is does il2FB model the p51D in such a way that pilots can take advantage of this equipment. IE its easier to pull high G turns and not red or black out.

Some P51 pilots testified that this piece of Tech was probably the deciding factor in some of thier kills late war.

Destraex
02-13-2004, 11:50 PM
I was reading osprey "aces of the mighty eighth" that I purchased the other day in anticipation of the Lightning in ACES expansion PAck.

One thing I noticed is that late war P51 pilots had the use of G-Suits that filled with water or air to tighten around crucial areas to stop the blood going anywhere and causing the redout or blackout effects that are caused in high G situations.

What I want to know is does il2FB model the p51D in such a way that pilots can take advantage of this equipment. IE its easier to pull high G turns and not red or black out.

Some P51 pilots testified that this piece of Tech was probably the deciding factor in some of thier kills late war.

Abbuzze
02-14-2004, 01:51 AM
It wasn´t wide used as far as I known, and I also have the impression that all planes have the same calculation for g-forces / blackouts, so the not modelled late war g suits vs. the not modelled better pilot position in 109 (for the whole war) seems to be a good choice for virtual P51 Pilots http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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AirBot
02-14-2004, 01:52 AM
I'm not sure how common these G-suits were, but regardless AFAIK FB uses the same system to simulate the effects of G-forces for all planes, so things like inclined seats and G-suits designed to imrpove G-tolerance aren't taken into account.
So basically - no, AFAIK FB doesn't simulate this.

theknightsofni
02-14-2004, 06:29 AM
its modeled but for ai only as they never black out

Osirisx9
02-14-2004, 07:11 AM
When I fly the pony in combat , I'm always near the edge of blackout and find that allot of times I have to relieve the backpressure on the stick or I will completely blackout. To me, the P-51 seems to be the easiest aircraft to induce blackoouts so I dont think Oleg had the G suits modelled.

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SpeedyGonzales-
02-14-2004, 07:54 AM
Of coarse it's modeled just turn off black outs - redouts and what do you know - instant G'suit

IAFS_Painter
02-14-2004, 08:06 AM
If you really want to test blackout - try a tight turn in the Me262 at speed. Get out of that one - if you can http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

On G-suits, the Fleet Air-Arm (Royal Navy -FAA) used (water filled) suits in Seafires on D-Day, the RAF did not use G-suits in Spitfires.

I've seen comments from FAA that the US had better air-filled suits.
The water-filled suits were bulky, and very difficult to run in.

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LeadSpitter_
02-14-2004, 01:04 PM
the majority of p51 pilots used them, the tuskegee airmen used them. As for them being modeled in the game it doesnt seem like it at all. Other aircraft have better G limits

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Slickun
02-14-2004, 01:47 PM
My Dad flew with the G-Suit. Most guys (him included) felt it added 1/2 to 1 G to a man's resistance.

The P-47 had a nice G-meter installed in the cockpit. Dad felt the suit helped older guys a bit more than younger guys.

The G suit was widely used by P-51 pilots after its introduction. Two types, one with water, one with air were available. Most pilots liked the air system better, because the water got cold at altitude.

Fehler
02-14-2004, 02:27 PM
I asked the same question in a dogfight server the other day. I kind of wish it were modeled, but GR142-Astro said he was on the edge of blackout with me during a twisty dive at 7G's.. So, since we were both blacking out, and I was in a 190, I dont think it's modeled.

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Fehler
02-14-2004, 02:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slickun:
My Dad flew with the G-Suit. Most guys (him included) felt it added 1/2 to 1 G to a man's resistance.

The P-47 had a nice G-meter installed in the cockpit. Dad felt the suit helped older guys a bit more than younger guys.

The G suit was widely used by P-51 pilots after its introduction. Two types, one with water, one with air were available. Most pilots liked the air system better, because the water got cold at altitude.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ask you dad how many of these flippy-floppy moves you see on line could be sustained in a plane.. That's what "I" want to know...

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Slickun
02-15-2004, 11:42 AM
Describe it a bit better and I'll ask him.

rosaenrico
02-15-2004, 03:47 PM
Slickun,
I think that Fehler wolud like to know if in real life a pilot could sustain continuous hard-manoeuvring at the rate FB currently permits to a player, online or offline (this last word being added by me).

p1ngu666
02-15-2004, 03:56 PM
sometimes it seems like the pilot stuck it on his head http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Slickun
02-15-2004, 05:00 PM
OK.

Seems like a series of hard turns would bleed the speed of any WW2 aircraft down to a level where 2 or 3 G's would induce a stall.

Exceptions would be a turn fight starting at altitude (plane exchanges altitude for energy to keep speed up).

Most air combats were over in a few seconds. As I've posted so many times, what won wars of attrition were planes with range and speed, bouncing and destroying the other guy in the first burst, not turning ability. 2/3 to 3/4 of all aerial kills in all wars are of the unobserved bounce. The rest rarely went past a couple of turns.

Yet, we've all read stories of protracted dogfights, two pilots locked in with each other for extended periods. Not the norm.

I'll ask Pop about pulling G's for extended periods. He was a fighter pilot for 30 years, from the P-40 through the F-101B.