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609IAP_Recon
04-07-2004, 04:06 PM
Interesting to see in the 4.4's - I haven't tried these yet - as I'm relunctant after 4.3's - but this looks hopeful:

http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/4524.html

IL-2 Sturmovik : Forgotten Battles - performance decrease when set to "Perfect" mode
This issue affects the following system configurations:
RADEON 9600 XT/ RADEON 9800 XT products
CATALYST 4.3 Display Drivers
When playing the game IL-2 Sturmovik with "Perfect" mode enabled, a noticable drop in performace will be noticed when compared to using CATALYST 4.2 display drivers.

To correct this issue, download and install CATALYST 4.4 display drivers or higher.

Salute!

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609IAP_Recon
04-07-2004, 04:06 PM
Interesting to see in the 4.4's - I haven't tried these yet - as I'm relunctant after 4.3's - but this looks hopeful:

http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/4524.html

IL-2 Sturmovik : Forgotten Battles - performance decrease when set to "Perfect" mode
This issue affects the following system configurations:
RADEON 9600 XT/ RADEON 9800 XT products
CATALYST 4.3 Display Drivers
When playing the game IL-2 Sturmovik with "Perfect" mode enabled, a noticable drop in performace will be noticed when compared to using CATALYST 4.2 display drivers.

To correct this issue, download and install CATALYST 4.4 display drivers or higher.

Salute!

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StudUK
04-07-2004, 04:30 PM
Maybe reading this wrong but I had a look @ the release notes for V4.4 and states this issue is still a known problem (not fixed yet)

quote for V4.4 notes

KNOWN ISSUES

A performance decrease is noticed when setting the game option to Perfect in the game IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles.
http://www2.ati.com/drivers/Catalyst_44_Release_Notes.html

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Scen
04-07-2004, 04:34 PM
Right

I read it as this is a known issue and there isn't a fix as of yet.

The question remains. Does the Cat 4.4 fix the issue or not?

Scendore

wcat
04-07-2004, 05:06 PM
Yep, kinda confusing...they say it's still a known issue, but when you click on the link, they say the solution is to install Cat's 4.4 or higher...

Weather_Man
04-07-2004, 05:13 PM
It's not fixed. It's actually worse in perfect than Cat4.3, if that's possible.

Still, 4.4 is very good for Excellent. Slight increase over 4.3.

Cat 4.2
Excellent: 28.6 fps
Perfect: n/a

Cat 4.3
Excellent: 31.4 fps
Perfect: 11.8 fps

Cat 4.4
Excellent: 32.7 fps
Perfect 8.6 fps

Scen
04-07-2004, 05:30 PM
Not very note worthy is it?


I will wait until they fix it before I move off of the 4.1s


Gone are the days of 3.7 speed

Hunter82
04-07-2004, 05:40 PM
4.2 are faster than 4.1 and 3.7 on my systems. 4.4 DO NOT fix the Perfect issue introduced in 4.3

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Scen:
Not very note worthy is it?


I will wait until they fix it before I move off of the 4.1s


Gone are the days of 3.7 speed<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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609IAP_Recon
04-07-2004, 06:43 PM
I'm still on 4.1's they were best for me.

it said above

"To correct this issue, download and install CATALYST 4.4 display drivers or higher."

Guess they are wrong then

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CDN_Merlin
04-07-2004, 06:48 PM
WHat resolution is this setting at?

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C&C Generals, Independance War 2,Starfleet Command 2,Settlers IV,Tzar,Allegiance,Starfleet Command,MAX 2,Defiance

Lav69
04-07-2004, 06:55 PM
What is perfect mode?

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I'm fixin to.

Bull_Pup
04-07-2004, 07:12 PM
No offense, but imo ATI has some very soddy driver support lately. Each release introduces new bugs or reintroduces bugs that were previously fixed.

"RADEON 9600 XT/ RADEON 9800 XT products"

They only acknowledge the problem on the XT products?

Im not particualarly happy with ATI's lack of 64 bit driver releases, so Im seriously thinking about Nv40.

DaBallz
04-07-2004, 07:33 PM
I tried the 4.4 drivers, IT'S WORSE!.

SLOWER YET!

DON'T DO IT!

Da...

Hunter82
04-07-2004, 07:52 PM
What is the sense of putting out a beta set for a beta OS for sims that run in 32bit? You kinda lost me on that one. Also ATI does not release beta drivers to the general public.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bull_Pup:
No offense, but imo ATI has some very soddy driver support lately. Each release introduces new bugs or reintroduces bugs that were previously fixed.

"RADEON 9600 XT/ RADEON 9800 XT products"

They only acknowledge the problem on the XT products?

Im not particualarly happy with ATI's lack of 64 bit driver releases, so Im seriously thinking about Nv40.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Hunter82
04-07-2004, 07:53 PM
Perfect is the same as 4.3...4.4 in excellent is better than 4.3 and most previous drivers in IQ and performance.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DaBallz:
I tried the 4.4 drivers, IT'S WORSE!.

SLOWER YET!

DON'T DO IT!

Da...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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boohaa
04-07-2004, 07:53 PM
Im wondering if you guys have tried Omega drivers for the 9800.They rock with TI4200's

Hunter82
04-07-2004, 07:56 PM
Omega is a Cat Beta tester also. His drivers are basically as the latest set with a few goodies added in http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by boohaa:
Im wondering if you guys have tried Omega drivers for the 9800.They rock with TI4200's<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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boohaa
04-07-2004, 08:06 PM
But he does tend to give a performance boost where he removes visual quality slightly for a good boost and you cant really notice what he removes.

BuzzU
04-08-2004, 12:13 AM
"To correct this issue, download and install CATALYST 4.4 display drivers or higher."


I'm still looking for those higher than 4.4 drivers. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Hunter82
04-08-2004, 04:29 AM
They're called 4.2 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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609IAP_Recon
04-08-2004, 05:05 AM
lol - nice one guys

Salute!

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CDN_Merlin
04-08-2004, 05:24 AM
I ask again, what resolution do you guys play perfect mode at to get 30FPS?

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Rajvosa
04-08-2004, 05:26 AM
Crap!

I hope we are not entering second era of crappy ATI drivers. Anyone remeber the Rage 128 and it's drivers? God have mercy!

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WUAF_Badsight
04-08-2004, 05:54 AM
ok hello fellow ATI owners

i only just switched to ATI

only ever had Nvidea cards in this computer B4

i got to know if the Cockpit bar jaggedness i get when panning around is normal ?

its like the bars get shifted around when im mouse viewing in 3 peices giving a impressions of jaggedness

is this just ATI centric ? , as i never had this effect with my Nvidea driven graphics

RasMichael
04-08-2004, 05:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
i got to know if the Cockpit bar jaggedness i get when panning around is normal ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's tearing caused by not having v-sync on.
You can force it on in the ATI control panel.

Hunter82
04-08-2004, 09:13 AM
ATI just let me know that there was an error on the page and it is still a known issue. It should read this :

IL-2 Sturmovik : Forgotten Battles - performance decrease when set to "Perfect" mode
This issue affects the following system configurations:
RADEON 9600 XT/ RADEON 9800 XT products
CATALYST 4.3 and CATALYST 4.4 Display Drivers
When playing the game IL-2 Sturmovik with "Perfect" mode enabled, a noticable drop in performace will be noticed when compared to using CATALYST 4.2 display drivers.

ATI Engineering is aware of this issue and is investigating.

INFO-BASE#4524

KEYWORDS: RADEON 9600/9800 for PC IL-2 STURMOVIK FORGOTTEN BATTLES PEFORMANCE DECREASE


It has now been corrected. Under the release notes it is under known issues.....being worked on.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rajvosa:
Crap!

I hope we are not entering second era of crappy ATI drivers. Anyone remeber the Rage 128 and it's drivers? God have mercy!

Regards,

Jasko

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Bull_Pup
04-08-2004, 04:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunter82:
What is the sense of putting out a beta set for a beta OS for sims that run in 32bit? You kinda lost me on that one. Also ATI does not release beta drivers to the general public.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which is exactly the company line I expect to hear from a cat beta tester every time. No offense. It's like a broken record on Rage3d radio. "you dont need drivers for a beta o.s., you dont need a feature similar to digital vibrance, you dont need super sampling, etc...."

You may not find use in xp64bit, I however do. Nvidia offers the level of support I desire and it will be reflected in my next purchase. As I said, Im not impressed with the Catalyst program. Its mostly hype.

Bull_Pup
04-08-2004, 04:56 PM
. dp

Hunter82
04-08-2004, 05:08 PM
OK your personal opinion. Here's mine:

No one said you will not have 64bit drivers or support, you just won't have them until MS releases a full version of 64 OS.

If Nvidia chooses to release a 64 bit driver hell that's great....they can't manage to release a WHQL driver on most devices anyway so why would it matter to them? Go ahead and be their R & D department they need it. As for digital vibrance why does ATI need to copy an Nvidia item ? It's bad enough the only 'new' Nvida has come up with that was not ATI's idea in their latest Farcewear was a pop blocker....much needed for a video device IMO http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

No company line as I do not get paid by ATI at all so you can shelve that one and the attitude. I had an honest question as to why you need a 64 bit driver to run 32 bit apps? If you can't explain why that's ok...but no need to get defensive.

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Hunter82
04-08-2004, 05:15 PM
and don't take that as a personal slam.... it's not...I'm just tired of hearing about 64 bit driver support that only a handfull have and it's horrible so far.. IMO

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DaBallz
04-08-2004, 05:18 PM
Few computer/video card combinations will
get an average of over 30 fps in perfect mode.

I run a Intel 3.2 Extreme with an ATI 9800XT
video card, and I run them over clocked.

In on line cockpit optional servers I usually
average 60 fps or better in 1200x1600 32 bit res.
With cockpit on it drops to the mid 40fps range.

RAM will not help your FPS.
More RAM will help with the hard drive spooling
if you don't have enough.

CPU speed and Front side buss speed are important
to a lesser degree than video card performance.

Down low over big "cities" will dog any machine
down into the mid 20's or worse.

Those cities are very hard on CPUs, this is
where CPU speed really counts.

By the way, in 1024x768 res I jump into the high 80's average.
in fps, but 1200x1600 looks better.

da...

Bull_Pup
04-08-2004, 05:27 PM
Not getting defensive man.

I didnt mean to infer that you were a puppet with ati pulling the strings. Imo it is only natural that an ATI beta tester would stand in a position more or less alligned with ati's thinking.

Respectfully, I dont think you and I will reach a common agreement regarding ATI.

Bull_Pup
04-08-2004, 05:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunter82:
I'm just tired of hearing about 64 bit driver support that only a handfull have and it's horrible so far.. IMO<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wouldnt say horrible.

In xp32 my system pulls 23,700 points in 3dmark 2k1 with the vid card overclocked.

In xp64 I score 21,500 without the vid card overclocked. I wouldnt call the xp64 default ati driver horrible. I just lament it's lack of an ogl component.

most of the original horrid results were due to the lack of a agp gart driver.

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WTE_Ibis
04-08-2004, 08:56 PM
2600 XP
9800XT
68fps excellent
38fps perfect
Omega drivers
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RobertNighthawk
04-08-2004, 11:12 PM
Merlin, 1024x768 resolution for Perfect so far up to 32 fps with slight gpu overclock.

Driver tests! I thought you'd never ask! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Cat 4.4 for 9700 Pro

2004-04-08 06:35:03 - il2 in Perfect
Frames: 2025 - Time: 150907ms - Avg: 13.418 - Min: 8 - Max: 30

2004-04-08 06:38:15 - il2
Frames: 6908 - Time: 150079ms - Avg: 46.029 - Min: 23 - Max: 100

4.2 Cat for 9700 Pro
2004-04-07 02:31:02 - il2 in Perfect
Frames: 4320 - Time: 150266ms - Avg: 28.749 - Min: 17 - Max: 55

As Hunter said, the 4.4 has been phased out by the 4.2 for Perfect. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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[This message was edited by RobertNighthawk on Wed April 21 2004 at 01:01 PM.]

Mirtma
04-21-2004, 04:44 AM
Robert, I miss results for 4.2 Cat & Exelent performance. Do you also have 4.1 results?

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tsisqua
04-21-2004, 05:49 AM
Since I changed over to ATI, I have tried as many of the archived drivers as possible. So far, the worst perfect performance was from those new 4.4's. Now, the odd thing: I get the best excellent performance from the same drivers http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif .

4.1 has been the best all around driver so far. I suggest using the link in the AEP readme.


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Locust_
04-21-2004, 05:59 AM
I lost 10 fps when I went from 3.7 to 4.1

the only reason I didnt go back to 3.7 is because Im woried Ill lose the whole shabang & have to start from Format LOL.....

Im interested to try 4.4 & if there worse fps than what I have now Ill try that link in the aep read.me

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tsisqua
04-21-2004, 06:29 AM
I really can't believe how heated this ATI vs Nvidia thing has become. With my Ti4200 I was always trying different driver versions. Nvidia had some very good things going for it that are unique to them, as does ATI. My one gripe about the ATI drivers is that they always want to return to the default color settings when I run a 3D app. Some programs can be minimized, then re-opened, and they will use my custom settings. Thank God that this works for IL2/FB/AEP, because it doesn't work for any of my FPS games. My solution for them has been to run them ALL in windowed mode.

My Nvidia card was only configurable using 3rd party utilities, and they usually caused me more problems than they solved. Oh, I know, there are settings that can be customized, but the ATI card has been way more friendly about this, i.e. AA, AF, VS . . . etc.

These two companies will continue to try to outdo each other as long as they both are the "big dogs". Right now, the best card I could get for the money was the 9800 pro, and I'm sure that in another 6 months to a year I will upgrade again.

"So, what are you trying to say, Tsisqua?"
I'm saying that these are both very good companies, and that the competition between the two of them has really raised the bar on graphics.

Its not worth arguing about.
Just get the 3.7 drivers, or the 4.1 that are suggested for FB in the readme. Both seem to be very good, all-around.

Oh, yeah . . . keep griping at whichever company made your card about the issues that may be causing you trouble . . .

The squeaky wheel is the one that gets oiled.
Tsisqua

PS, Good luck, Locust http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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RobertNighthawk
04-21-2004, 02:03 PM
Osiyo, Tsisqua! Dto hi tsu?

You are a wise old bird I think. S!

Hi, Mirtma!

These are from the last round of all night drink, uh, I mean scientific testing proceedures when I was testing out Hogdawg's driver mod for 9700 Pro which I could not get to work because I think it really only works well if you flash the card's bios. This is speculation on my part, by the way.

Anyway, since you asked: http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

4.2 Cat for 9700 Pro
2004-04-06 22:04:09 - il2 in Excellent
Frames: 7116 - Time: 150313ms - Avg: 47.341 - Min: 24 - Max: 98

4.2 Cat for 9700 Pro
2004-04-07 02:31:02 - il2 in Perfect
Frames: 4320 - Time: 150266ms - Avg: 28.749 - Min: 17 - Max: 55

4.2 Cat for 9800 Pro(1st driver listed) in Perfect
2004-04-07 02:39:17 - il2
Frames: 4316 - Time: 150125ms - Avg: 28.749 - Min: 17 - Max: 55

[This message was edited by RobertNighthawk on Wed April 21 2004 at 01:14 PM.]

[This message was edited by RobertNighthawk on Wed April 21 2004 at 01:40 PM.]

tsisqua
04-22-2004, 12:19 AM
Osiyo, Quaquu anisvnoyi hiyvwi.
Osda-dv, hiwoni-a Tsalagi! Dto-hi-quu ginali-i!


Wado,
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Hawgdog
04-22-2004, 04:52 AM
Nighthawk, as SteveV speculated, the 'mod' for the card probably just bumps up the voltage. I went back to the regular 9700 drivers and simply used Riva to push the card. Same results cooler running card. (Tachyon 9700 pro)
All this talk about excellent and the 4.4's makes me want to try them again...I may go back and see whats up, but man, the time it takes.
I'd rather fly than endlessy tweek the card for just a few fps here or there.
Bottom line I fly online.....and theres more of a FPS hit from server to server no matter how fast and fancy my own rig is setup.
I fly excellent, fancy water just aint worth it for the fps hit.
Maybe they'll fix it. My bud bought the new fancy nvidia card and its real slick. All the higher end cards are nice enough for my eyes.
Just sometimes the driver thing gets to be a worthless hassle.

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tsisqua
04-22-2004, 06:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Hawgdawg said:
Just sometimes the driver thing gets to be a worthless hassle.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, yes, you are VERY correct about that!

RobertNighthawk
04-22-2004, 06:05 AM
Siyo! A-ga-da-na-i tsisqua, da-ka-no-gi-dv da-de-yo-hv-s-gv? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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Da-gu-na Galistayv hvsga. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Hia u-ga-na:-s-da http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Do-na-da-`go-v-i.

RobertNighthawk
04-22-2004, 06:25 AM
Hawgdog, do yourself a favor, my friend, and go get the 4.4's if you play in Excellent. They are fast, smoothe and they look damn good. This and the beer made it worthwhile; what I really figured out was that the cooling of the card seems to have the biggest impact on its performance and thus the overall impact on your system. After it overheats, that's it. Voltage only heats it up more. With the new generation of cards, overclocking the card probably won't be an issue as they will smoke what we have known hitherto. I can hardly wait. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

tsisqua
04-22-2004, 06:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RobertNighthawk:
Siyo! A-ga-da-na-i tsisqua, da-ka-no-gi-dv da-de-yo-hv-s-gv? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, I have to leave in a few to go to the college, and need to have my coffee. These kids really keep me on my toes, LOL. (Guitarists. Jeez! They are so full of themselves at that age, ha ha ha)

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Tisequa da-de-yo-hv-s-gv Tsalagi Quaquu anisvnoyi? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Thlah-tla-ya-gwa-n-ta Tsalagi. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sure, I'll teach ya. Qua-quu means Robert. Anisvnoyi means litterally: People of the night . . . the Cherokee word for "Nighthawks". Hiyvwi means "you originate from", so I called you "Robert Of The Nighthawks", or just plain "Robert Nighthawk".

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Da-gu-na Galistayv hvsga. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Hia u-ga-na:-s-da http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uganasda is my favorite sweet. We used to have a cat named "Uganasda". Enjoy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Tdo-'hi-tsu? Osi? 'O si gwu.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The answer to the question has to do with "health". Dtohi means "healthy", and "tsu" at the end makes it interogative. Quu, or Gwu at the end means "Affirmative"

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Su-'n-le da gi `lv wi sta ne `he `sti. 'Ge-'ga siesta. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

When you gotta go, you gotta go.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Yv,ni-hi, tso-s-da-da-a-nv-tli. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just remember, you can pick your nose, you can pick your friends, but you cannot pick your family. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>O-s-da sv-no-i, ho-wa, http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/1072.gif o-s-da sunalei! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

Do-na-da-`go-v-i<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Donadagohvi, Gusdi.
Galieligi tsi-ginali-i (I am glad that we are friends. Funny how the morning creeps up on ya, isn't it?)

Thank you for speaking my words to me. I get so depressed sometimes when I see the posts in Russian, Finnish, German, etc . . . , and nobody for poor Tsisqua to write to in Cherokee. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Tsisqua

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Tsalagi Asgaya Galvladi

Heavy_Weather
04-22-2004, 10:59 AM
a little OT here, but the new nvidia 53.03 drivers are the shizznit bomb!!!!!!

those drivers have definately helped in all my games

big WOOT!!!!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

"The wise man is often the man who plays dumb."