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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 04:32 PM
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indeed, you don´t need a big gun for it.

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Bavaria is one of the oldest European states.
It dates back to about 500 A.D., when the Roman Empire was overcome by the onslaught of Germanic tribes. According to a widespread theory, the Bavarian tribe had descended from the Romans who remained in the country, the original Celtic population and the Germanic invaders.

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 04:32 PM
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indeed, you don´t need a big gun for it.

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Bavaria is one of the oldest European states.
It dates back to about 500 A.D., when the Roman Empire was overcome by the onslaught of Germanic tribes. According to a widespread theory, the Bavarian tribe had descended from the Romans who remained in the country, the original Celtic population and the Germanic invaders.

Bavarian History : http://www.bayern.de/Bayern/Information/geschichteE.html#kap0

XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 06:12 PM
Agree

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 06:20 PM
Well, she does have two guns, I'm sure that helped.

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 06:23 PM
if the "tiger" was so good, he would have his head reversed/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 06:45 PM
Boandlgramer wrote:
- indeed, you don´t need a big gun for it.
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Nope but u do need the beaver of hers to bite it dead..

XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 08:46 PM
This song comes to mind:
Oh kiss me tiger, teach me tiger... wowowowow...

Vipez, what are those two pilot guys in your sig doing?
Looks like something quite advanced and probaly x-rated/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 10:22 PM
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- Vipez, what are those two pilot guys in your sig
- doing?
- Looks like something quite advanced and probaly
- x-rated

Hehe, they were supposed to be escaping Tiger crew /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif but right now I call them Tiger slayers

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 10:29 PM
Ow no, not that again!!!! there where some ppl claiming that P-47's could kill tiger tanks with their MG's only. Then some ppl doubted this very much, because, they found it hard to believe that, when even the guns on a sherman tank, couldn't kill tiger tanks, it sure would be impossible for a .50 gun from the P-47 to do it.

Well, they are right.

BUT

On SOME occasions, on some tanks (maybe not tigers or MBT's at all) the ammount of kinetic energy from 8X .50 guns AT CONVERGENCE can penetrate SOME parts of SOME tanks.

There is eveidence about that.

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 11:02 PM
Yes, look at the initial post and hear my words when I once again say this:

Place the Tiger in the "convergence" and BOOM. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 11:11 PM
Platypus_1.JaVA wrote:
- Ow no, not that again!!!! there where some ppl
- claiming that P-47's could kill tiger tanks with
- their MG's only. Then some ppl doubted this very
- much, because, they found it hard to believe that,
- when even the guns on a sherman tank, couldn't kill
- tiger tanks, it sure would be impossible for a .50
- gun from the P-47 to do it.
-
- Well, they are right.
-
- BUT
-
- On SOME occasions, on some tanks (maybe not tigers
- or MBT's at all) the ammount of kinetic energy from
- 8X .50 guns AT CONVERGENCE can penetrate SOME parts
- of SOME tanks.
-
!!!!SHUT UP!!! SHUT UP!!! SHUT UP!!!
I hate that thread so much!! 16 pages!!! How a big Stupid Idiot could someone be to belive something like that?

Reffering to the original theme: Well, She probably talked with that Tiger befor, cuz she has some GOOOOOD arguments. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 11:15 PM
poor tigers... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-12-2003, 11:40 PM
It's a well known fact that the Tiger was made of wet paper.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 12:20 AM
16 pages? That's all. Wow, that nothing like certain threads we've had in the Ready Room.

Now, on the usbject of killing Tigers, while they may not have been heavily affected by 0.50 cal bullets, I am of the understanding it was possible for a single soldier with essentially slingshot to kill early variants of the Tiger.

There are certain disadvantages to not having a bow machinegun with a hand cranked turret. The turret was so slow that it was possible for an infantry man to walk around the tank faster than the gun could be brought to bear. So, a soldier armed with a British spring launched antitank weapon could simply circle the tank, plinking it, until he hit something importaint. About the only way for the tank to break out of it was to move from its position, which could be a very bad idea at certain times. On later versions, a bow machine gun was added, to prevent enemy troops from circling the tank with impunity.

Unescorted tanks tend to be quite vulnerable. They depend much more on their infantry than people often realise. While those 0.50's may no have been good at penetrating armour, they were great at clearing out exposed infantry.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 12:27 AM
Yes... We all know that the main gun on a Sherman was totally unable to penetrate the Tigers armour, that's why they fitted them with the Browning .50cal as their primary anti-tank weapon. Like they did with the Grant, only the AT-gun on the Grant had way to large bullets to give a good penetration of the Tigers armour.

XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 01:10 AM
Ya, well getting back to the chick on the tiger skin; I'm not sure how comfortable that would be.

I had a polar bear skin-rug and you had to put a blanket over it before you could make out on it. Way too scratchy. And the dust that thing held on to was incredible.

But I offer myself as a beta-tester for that tiger-skin make-out rug if the chick in the bikini is willing. I do have some experience in these matters.

XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 01:17 AM
Fair bro, I'd like her "killing" me. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 01:19 AM
Different models of Shermans had different guns. And any of them could penetrate the rear armor of a Tiger from close range. The later Shermans could penetrate side armor from close range. Any of them could pop a track. A hit in the right spot and it doesn't take that much. Look at the vents, vision holes and hatches sometime. An M8 scout vehicle with a 37mm AT gun ran up behind a Tiger and killed it from very close range. Top armor and belly armor are much thinner than even rear armor. A ground mounted single .50 can't target the top armor at a steep angle.

Why do some people think a tank is the same armor all over? One bullet into a hole generally bounced around many times and caused havoc inside. On Tigers there were grenade launchers on the turret just for attacking close-assaulting troops. From before there was designed launchers to shoot grenades that exploded right above the turret. Maybe not on all Tigers but that weapon was used on Tigers and more. Wittman, the Tank Ace, turned his Tiger gun mainly by turning the whole tank which he learned to do in his Sturmgeshutze days. He got faster on target that way. That man hunted AT guns, the most dangerous thing.

Tanks were not always buttoned up. With hatches closed the tank is slow and pretty blind so they only closed up in action. The AAMG had to be fired by a man standing in an open hatch, if the tank had one. What does that suggest? Did every tank see the plane coming? Did they all get closed up in time? Can't close up completely and shoot back unless you are an IL2/FB super-tank. With fair luck and good skill both, any fighter could kill any tank.


Neal

XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 01:43 AM
Hell, a Firefly could pop a Tiger from the front if it was close enough.
Give me sloped armor any day, makes me feel safer.

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 01:52 AM
Heard that before "convergence is the key". /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-13-2003, 11:17 AM
Von_Zero wrote:
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- Platypus_1.JaVA wrote:
-- Ow no, not that again!!!! there where some ppl
-- claiming that P-47's could kill tiger tanks with
-- their MG's only. Then some ppl doubted this very
-- much, because, they found it hard to believe that,
-- when even the guns on a sherman tank, couldn't kill
-- tiger tanks, it sure would be impossible for a .50
-- gun from the P-47 to do it.
--
-- Well, they are right.
--
-- BUT
--
-- On SOME occasions, on some tanks (maybe not tigers
-- or MBT's at all) the ammount of kinetic energy from
-- 8X .50 guns AT CONVERGENCE can penetrate SOME parts
-- of SOME tanks.
--
- !!!!SHUT UP!!! SHUT UP!!! SHUT UP!!!
-
- I hate that thread so much!! 16 pages!!! How a big
- Stupid Idiot could someone be to belive something
- like that?
-
-
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Tully__
07-13-2003, 02:16 PM
Amusing but off topic.

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