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BTZ_Bonehead
04-02-2004, 12:00 PM
Hi there.

I am hoping someone at the top can give me a definitive answer to a question I am getting plagued with at our website.

When can we expect a dedicated server for AEP?

We have been running a dedicated FB server since it was released now and this server (UK-Dedicated) has been very popular with players around the world. When AEP came out we encouraged our regular players to buy it wich many of them did, now they have updated they can no longer play on their favourite server.

I find it strange that this patch was released without a dedicated server to acompany it, it leaves me wondering if perhaps we should just turn the server over to run the Vietnam patch for BF1942 which seems to be popular amongst our visitors also.

Is it possible I can get an ETA for the dedicated server please, is this too much to ask?

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BTZ_Bonehead
04-02-2004, 12:00 PM
Hi there.

I am hoping someone at the top can give me a definitive answer to a question I am getting plagued with at our website.

When can we expect a dedicated server for AEP?

We have been running a dedicated FB server since it was released now and this server (UK-Dedicated) has been very popular with players around the world. When AEP came out we encouraged our regular players to buy it wich many of them did, now they have updated they can no longer play on their favourite server.

I find it strange that this patch was released without a dedicated server to acompany it, it leaves me wondering if perhaps we should just turn the server over to run the Vietnam patch for BF1942 which seems to be popular amongst our visitors also.

Is it possible I can get an ETA for the dedicated server please, is this too much to ask?

Your in hope Bone Head

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Scragbat
04-02-2004, 12:15 PM
BUMP!

UK-Dedicated is a fine server and is suffering because of this. I haven't flown there in what seems like an age because of the lack of a dedicated server.
This needs addressing soon please.

All the action from my latest movie is recorded from the UK-Dedicated server (released in next 48 hours all being well).

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ProtosTheGreat
04-02-2004, 01:00 PM
Roger. Totally agree regarding need for Dedicated Server. Most servers out there currently being hosted for AEP are not up to scratch in my opinion. Estimated Time of Arrival please?

xTHRUDx
04-03-2004, 01:43 AM
bump

crazyivan1970
04-03-2004, 01:47 AM
Along with the addon guys, maybe couple of days after. Thought i already answered it lol...guess i forgot to submit haha. Getting late..err , early here

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04-03-2004, 03:10 PM
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BTZ_Bonehead
04-04-2004, 04:39 AM
OK Ivan, so when is the update comming out do we know that yet?

Thre must be a target date set for that release?


TIA

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crazyivan1970
04-04-2004, 09:20 AM
Dates are not set in stone guys. All i can say is soon http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Clingy
04-04-2004, 12:09 PM
We have changed our server over to BF Vietnam. EA kindly released the dedicated server a full week ahead of the game release in the UK. Clearly they see the importance of the dedicated server as a means of promoting the game. Not sure now whether I'll bother with AEP. It takes a lot of hard work to keep interest going in an IL2 server and when you get a major dissapointment like this, you tend to question whether it is worth the effort.

A great shame that such a good game is let down by poor support.

crazyivan1970
04-04-2004, 12:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Clingy:
A great shame that such a good game is let down by poor support.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You MUST be joking.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

p1ngu666
04-04-2004, 04:09 PM
not surport per se, but lack of information.
thats not a tend here or anything http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Purzel
04-05-2004, 12:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Clingy:
A great shame that such a good game is let down by poor support.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You MUST be joking.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, I dont think so. Very much is done by the devlopers, but MP support is not the best to say the least. Its not that it wasnt possible, its that there is not enough effort put into it to come up to par with better games (online-quality that is).

It took Oleg ages to release the damn dedicated server, which was anounced for a _very_ long time, and now they release an update without updating the ded server. Pauses when players spawn are another point that should be adressed, just like coop-mission on ded servers.

There really is a lot to be desired when it comes to MP. And when you talk about SP, what about the sniper AI-gunners or the many other quirks the AI does have? I dont play SP much so it doesnt concern me too much but really: There are some gameplay problems that should be adressed to get the game competitive.

The problem is, they (developers) are forced to work on new products when they should work out old bugs. So it will be the time that we have the Pacific sim and we WILL have pauses at player-spawns and we might wait for the ded server for a few weeks or months. And the AI gunners will kill you from 1km out from a down-spiralling plane. With a headshot. Repeatedly.

The guys at 1C are working their butts off, im sure, but the decision-makers do not make the right decisions. Be sure.

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F16_Petter
04-05-2004, 10:33 AM
Purzel, you remind me of a guy I once knew.....

myself!!

You got very good points that you adress, and you are not alone feeling what you feel. However the driving force here is sales, and its a fact we have to accept.

I think that UBI has Oleg by the throat and are pushing him to release items that sell or make way for items that sell, not that fixes earlier problems. At least not if you compare the workload of projects. Thats why (today) we have tons of flyable planes but a questionable backbone of the sim.

Anyway your comments are quite off topic in this forum, its quite biased here you know http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Dont feel you should complain too much tho, we should really thank Oleg that he is working on the dedicated server for AEP. Because without it, it is useless.

Thank you Oleg, u are doing a good job!
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crazyivan1970
04-05-2004, 10:37 AM
Let me make one thing clear.

Dedicated Server was a gift from Oleg to ALL of us. A gift! Free! Apparently some of you guys are leaving this part without attention. So...

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

BTZ_Bonehead
04-05-2004, 12:56 PM
Why was it a gift?

I don't want to flame anyone here, IL2 is the best sim of its kind so I would like to clear that up first. However.

We would ahve supported any sim of similar quality that provided a dedicated server. I only play online games, as do most of our site visitors. We tend to buy games that are popular online so I can say that the large ammount of IL2 games we sold to visitors wouldnt ahve been sold if there was no dedicated server.

You said I van dates are not set in stone, I totaly agree, but we havent been given a date, sometime in the next month might cheer people up.

IL2 is now loosing the battle for a place on our server as more and more of our visitors tire of waiting for our now almost empty server to change to AEP.

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crazyivan1970
04-05-2004, 01:18 PM
Why it was a gift...well, because it was mate. Don`t get me wrong, i want dedicated as much as you do... but, it is not a priority at this moment. And i totally agree with you, dedicated is fundation to MP, there is no question about it.

My reply was addressed to "lack of support" type of thing.

As far as dates go... i understand you completely, people wants to know... but what do you think is better....to say "patch out in two weeks" and fail... or simply say "when it`s ready, it will be out".

Which one you would preffer? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

BTZ_Bonehead
04-05-2004, 03:46 PM
LOL

I would prefer to hear, "we are aiming to release the AEP dedicated server some time in mid May" or "we won't be releasing a dedicated server as the last one was a gift and we decided not to offer you another".

Someone some where at the developers must have an idea roughly when it should be ready if indeed they are releasing one.

Every other company we release games news for have deadlines for thier games and servers.

Maybe if no one can give us a ball park time frame they are not bothering. It certainly seems that way to me.

Well it was fun whilst it lasted at least!

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BTZ_Bonehead
04-06-2004, 12:30 PM
bump

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Scragbat
04-06-2004, 04:03 PM
*** EDIT *** - I believe I may have whined http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
There's enough of that here already.

Still worth a BUMP tho...

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ProtosTheGreat
04-06-2004, 07:10 PM
With the Greatest of respect for my friend and favourite Moderator Ivan, I have to keep the online loving alive. BUMP. Dedicated server is the essence of online play.

Protos_335TH_GR
04-06-2004, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by ProtosTheGreat:
With the Greatest of respect for my friend and favourite Moderator Ivan, I have to keep the online loving alive. BUMP. Dedicated server is the essence of online play.



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Jetbuff
04-06-2004, 10:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BTZ_Bonehead:
Why was it a gift?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's a gift because it was an extra that was not promised on the box - neither were many of the improvements and continued support. When I put down my lousy $40 for the game no one promised me a dedicated server, yet they delivered that and much, much more.

As to why the server patch was delayed, I think it's mainly because of the ridiculousness of updating it to FB2.0 only to re-update it to FB2.x soon thereafter. Better to do it in one go. At least that's my guess.

That said, I'm itching for it too and it would be nice to have a rough timeline of when this is going to happen - mainly coz I'm a lazy SOB and don't want to check the boards every other day to see if it's been released or not.

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GK.
04-07-2004, 01:03 AM
I would argue that its a necesarry component of online play, which is advertised on the box.
However ive never seen any company so passionate about their game, so they are probably hard at work on this patch. They may even have something up their sleeve. I think 1c deserves the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Clingy
04-07-2004, 12:54 PM
Wow, such a fuss over a small statement taken out of context. The "poor Support" was in comparison with other developers like EA (who also do not advertise "dedicated server" on their products).

I recognise it is a great game, but sadly not as well supported as other less good games. It all adds to the mix. I guess no one is perfect.

CI - we clearly disagree, yet I have much respect for you and others that support the community. This may be a moan, (and boy, do we all get fed up of the moaners) but I believe a valid one. Perhaps "poor support" was OTT. More like "dissapointing support".

crazyivan1970
04-07-2004, 02:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Clingy:
Wow, such a fuss over a small statement taken out of context. The "poor Support" was in comparison with other developers like EA (who also do not advertise "dedicated server" on their products).

I recognise it is a great game, but sadly not as well supported as other less good games. It all adds to the mix. I guess no one is perfect.

CI - we clearly disagree, yet I have much respect for you and others that support the community. This may be a moan, (and boy, do we all get fed up of the moaners) but I believe a valid one. Perhaps "poor support" was OTT. More like "dissapointing support".<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, first of all, poor support and dissapointing support is the same thing. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif EA is not really a good example, because support that Maddox gives to this sim and support that EA customers receive is not a subject for discussion... because EA is not even close, i`m sure many will agree with me on that. Keep in mind that many of EA games are multiplayer to begin with, and having a dedicated server from day one is just makes sence. Those who`s been around for a while can remember that question about dedicated server has been popping up since IL-2 release and O.M. promise that one day we will have it and we did. I still believe that dedicated server is the best thing that happened to MP in FB and just like many others, incuding you, i miss it. Smooth gameplay is the key. But... the reason dedicated wasn`t released for AEP is rather simple... there was not enough time. Dead lines are dead lines and AEP was a primary objective and dedicated server secondary. Free addon, which is the second stage of AEP development took over priority and left dedicated server as a secondary again, besides, why make a double change within a few weeks? So bottom line is...dedicated server will be released with add-on or couple of days after and we just have to live with it. That happened because of circumstances not because of the lack of support.

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Protos_335TH_GR
04-07-2004, 04:04 PM
Copy that Ivan, that was the most informative post on the Dedicated Server Process I have seen so far. At least we know the priority sequence and decision making process. How would you really like to win us over and give us a rough time frame http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif I am well aware that nothing is set in stone, but like you I so miss the smoothness in online play that comes from a Dedicated Server. Can you confirm or deny that it will be this week http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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crazyivan1970
04-07-2004, 04:24 PM
LOL Protos... i wish i could even hint on the release date... no idea mate. How`s "soon" sound?

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Protos_335TH_GR
04-07-2004, 04:55 PM
Come on Ivan, why do you have to be like that!! Where's the love http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


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BTZ_Bonehead
04-08-2004, 03:01 AM
Ivan, why is it that no one knows the date set for release?

How come someone from the dev. team cant say something about it? Do you speak to Oleg at all?

I see what you mean about the ded server being a gift in FB, but, it was released because it had to be otherwise the online FB community would have died, just like it is now. Games developers do what they do for money, and having a massive online community is good for the bank balance.

Other companies release dedicated servers with their games, at least if they want people like us to run the game on a dedicated box.

Anyhow I tried BF Vietnam on our server yestarday, it works a treat, I suggest other people give it a go too, its got crap flight model but if you enjoy playing online agains real people you will love it!

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BTZ_Bonehead
04-10-2004, 11:09 AM
This is getting silly.

Our server has gone from having 20 players full time to just 6 on a good day.

How to kill a community in 1 easy step, nice one Maddox or Ubi whoever is responsible.

If I had known that we couldnt run dedicated server with AEP I wouldnt have bought it and that probably goes for the 20 or 30 other copies we sold.

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crazyivan1970
04-10-2004, 11:51 AM
Oh come on Bonehead... let`s not jump into extremes. Please?

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

xTHRUDx
04-10-2004, 12:52 PM
Bonehead, i feel your pain.

The Greater Green dedicated server, which normaly has at least 25 slots full 24 hrs a day, was turned off due to lack of activity. As an online only player my flying has dropped off to nill because flying on a "peer to peer" servers is too frustrating for many reasons. I wounldn't have bought AEP (or any game) if it didn't have a DS option/support.

Protos_335TH_GR
04-10-2004, 01:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> As an online only player my flying has dropped off to nill because flying on a "peer to peer" servers is too frustrating for many reasons. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with this comment. Nothing can beat the quality of a good Dedicated. Hopefully it will be soon. I am getting frustrated as well, but it is part of the growing pains for the sim community. I don't think this is a mistake likely to be repeated by Oleg. Dedicated Server is a must for todays online games. Having said that I am willing to give Oleg a break this time. Just don't let it happen again http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Bull_dog_
04-10-2004, 01:50 PM
My favorite server to fly on is UK Dedicated and I sorely miss it... I rarely stay on line for long anymore due to lack of good servers.

As for this patch being free or that service being free that is just plain hogwash... I bought FB in the first place because of all the aircraft in development. I didn't like IL-2 that much and I can't stand the closed architecture except for online play...for that it is great... so how many people would buy PF or BOB if Oleg hadn't taken care of his followers? Many would have bought it, but many wouldn't either.

Make no mistake about it...every patch, every add-on, every dedicated server...every good or bad Oleg does reflects in future consideration for purchases... the essence of "cost of quality" and a business decision pure and simple....

How many lost sales will there be in PF if one side has porked FM's and the other side is flying UFO's? The sales would be down...if they are fairly historical in nature and competitive in their own way, sales will be maximized...

That is why hot topics like P-47 roll rate, Mk 108 effectiveness, .50 cal. dispersion and of course dedicated server patches are important.

UBI has not hit a deadline that I am aware of...that is not the biggest part of my buying decision, but if someone else produced an equally good product and hit their deadlines, I would not be flying FB anymore... that is not the reality so I'll sit frustrated and wait for another late patch so I can enjoy Bonehead's UK Dedicated server again

crazyivan1970
04-10-2004, 02:05 PM
I guess i can`t reason with you guys... say no more http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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BTZ_Bonehead
04-12-2004, 03:49 AM
Its nto a case of reasoning m8, all I ask is for somone who is an oficial from the developers or UBI to give us a ball park figure.

It is not an unreasonable request, we are customers, we spend money with the company, we are the ones who make UBI rich.

If you went into a shop and asked the manager when he would be getting his next shipment of Nike shoes in stock he wouldnt refuse to talk to you would he? He would loose a customer wouldnt he? It is a simple case of customer support, something in my experience that Ubisoft do not seem to hot on.

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Scragbat
04-13-2004, 06:16 PM
Ubi should take note of the drastic drop in online numbers in both Ubi.com and HyperLobby.
Marketting deadlines may have forced the hand of the developers to get AEP out before the Dedicated Server was complete but this could have a negative effect on potential sales of FB and AEP.
I just hope the dedicated server is imminent.
The online community needs a boost as it is clearly suffering.

** EDIT **
I bet there will be upset people who buy FB in the hope of playing it online not knowing that they have to buy AEP too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
What do Ubi marketting think of this scenario?
Would people want their money back?

This of course doesn't apply to the likes of us, who have been with the game for a while. I'm talking about potential buyers.

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BTZ_Bonehead
04-14-2004, 12:43 PM
I dont think people could ask for their money back but one thing is for sure people will be looking to install new games on theri dedicated boxes I guess.

Our IL2 community has been wiped out overnight. AEP was NOT worth the money whithout the ability to play it in at least the same way as FB, I only bought FB becasue of teh rumours that there would be a dedicated server for it.

The only way to play any game these days is online, with the exception of games like the old splinter cell and max payne. IL2 is a game that cries out for online play, the ability to compete agains humans is essential.

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UKVoodoo
04-14-2004, 01:33 PM
Shouldnt any game that encase's an online mode(that has had more publicity than SP http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)have a dedicated server option tied into the release version as a standard rule(im not complaining as i know Oleg bust's his B***s to create a flightsim as good as this) was just a thought bouncing round in my head

BTZ_Bonehead
04-15-2004, 01:56 AM
I was just searching file plannet wondering if there was a Linux server for Battlefields Vietnam game (EA games) as they usually release a linux server as well as a windows server for their games. I found this:

"This is the free dedicated Linux server for Battlefield Vietnam, released a few days before the game itself so server admins can be setup and ready to go. "

Now that UBI is how its done! Right Im off to install it now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

See you when they release AEP (probably next year but who knows as it seems to be too secret to let their customers know) ..... tossers http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif They have had my money now they give me the finger :P

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pettera
04-15-2004, 07:31 AM
Is it necessary for e.g. UK-DEDICATED og greatergreen to run dedicated servers? Is it possible to have the same service running using the standard game. Of cours you have to buy it but it is a fairly minor expense compared to internet connection and other hardware.

Petter

NorrisMcWhirter
04-15-2004, 10:37 AM
Hi,

As an UK Dedicated admin, I can easily verify the fall in numbers in the server. There now appears to be about a hardcore of 6 people who, when questioned, have stated that they fly v1.22 purely because they are:

a. Unhappy with aspects of AEP
b. Don't like non-dedicated servers.

I'm with them on point a; I don't know who the playtesters were (demographics, wise) on v2.0 but there appears to have been some 'modifications' made which favour certain nationalities.

For point b, it is considerably better to have a dedicated server but not impossible to run without it and, as this game is best enjoyed online (as touted in the blurb), it should be realistic to expect (as already stated) a way of facilitating the best online play experience - via a dedicated server.

What I think Bonehead is trying to say is that it would be nice for someone who can get access to the project development plan (there must be one in any professional development house) to indicate when the possible release date might be.

Of course, we would all like for UBI to announce a patch and dedicated server as a surprise for everyone but for those people who faciliate the backbone of online play (i.e. those who run and administer the servers at expense to themselves in terms of time and money) don't particularly like this kind of surprise....and they get annoyed (as you can see).

Speaking to someone in a server last night who appears to have been part of the playtesting yielded that the AEP patch will be released 'shortly' and that 'there didn't appear to be any showstoppers' but that there were 'some bugs to be sorted out'. No mention was made of a dedicated server, however.

I sympathise with both sides; if the dedicated server is free then it is admirable that 1C do it (as admirable as the level of support that the game generally gets). What isn't so admirable is the level of communication regarding the 'freebies'; it only serves to alienate server providers.

I think it's worth making the point that good games are those which play well, sell well and are enjoyed by many. Truly great games, however, are those that are good but also attract a hardcore & loyal community who will chip in to make the game even greater. This is what makes Il-2 special; it's community is maybe smaller than CFS' but the game is better in the first place. Loyal fans continue to buy products and will buy other products from the same company because they know that they will also could become great.....

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BTZ_Bonehead
04-15-2004, 10:47 AM
Its never been possible as far as I know to run the game on a remote box. It seems you need to have a monitor, keyboard and mouse connecte and I did try running it once using VNC (a remote tool used for admining windows based servers) and it didnt work.

As UK-Dedicated is hosted in a server house in London we cant run the game directly we need the dedicated server software.

When IL2 came out we were all desperate for a remote server, it never came until after FB had been released. I think Ubi may have missed the boat as many server owners got bored waiting and things move on and other games get released which are more popular. If you can get a good online following for a game it will last years past its 'sell by date', just look at half life and CS. HL is ancient now by modern standards but still gets played to deat because it was easy to join a game, it had good team possibilities making it apeal to the clans and becasue you could host it on any old machine using linux. There are still thousands of CS servers online, the majority are dedicated servers that you can fire up and forget about. They use very little server resources too.

Would HL still be selling now without the dedicated servers? I say no.

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TX Rahman
04-15-2004, 11:43 AM
As long as you're using Windows XP or Windows 2003 Server you can run the gui version of FB/AEP. The TX-OC3 was on a datacenter server for quite some time running the gui version. Windows 2000 Server and VNC, et all the other remote desktop software has a limitation of 256 colors. This is where the problem lies... The main screen shows up black on all those remote packages due to having much more than 256 colors. However...with XP or WIndows 2003 server and the Microsoft Remote Desktop connection software it works great due to being able to send 16 bit color to the remote client. Give it a shot... Also... You may want to set the mouse sensetivity to .5 in the config file. If not...the mouse will be uncontrollable on the remote client. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


I totally agree with having a dedicated server...much less memory/proccessor intensive. Just a heads up in case anyone wanted to run it remote before the ded server comes out.

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BTZ_Bonehead
04-16-2004, 03:04 AM
Thanks for the input http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Trouble is we use win 2k for the server and not win 2k server. I am certainly not prepared to invest large sums of money into the server, I have spent enough buying the games. That server can run any kind of dedicated server software that everyone else has released.

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Haukeye1
04-16-2004, 02:27 PM
We've gotten to discussing the merits of sparrowhawks compared to WWII fighters at GreaterGreen for gosh sakes!!! We need that dedicated server soon, before we go nuts, if we're not there already!!!! PLEASE, HELP!!!

Sigh. Sorry, ran out of valium.

Haukeye

Protos_335TH_GR
04-16-2004, 06:36 PM
Roger that. I am getting way _____ing frustrated too now!!!!! Online play sucks!!!!!!! Everyone is warping and Laggin and s__t F___k this. Holy moly I am pissed. How hard could it have been to add the contents of AEP to the Ded server folder!!!!

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04-16-2004, 07:24 PM
i hope it comes soon.

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Protos_335TH_GR
04-18-2004, 04:05 PM
Rgr. that GK, it is frustrating to have no idea.

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BTZ_Bonehead
04-21-2004, 02:16 AM
Obviously this is very low on both UBI's and Olegs list of priorities.

We have just got ourselves a BFv server so we will all be playing that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif The regulars at B-F are off to the flight sim show at Blackpool this summer in the UK so maybe we can kidnap one of the development team and put the thumb screws on. TBH if it hasnt been released by then I think we can kiss goodbye to any kind of online community of any size, the game will be looking well old by then.

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BTZ_Bonehead
05-02-2004, 03:58 AM
Yust thought I'd bump this up a notch,

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Purzel
05-03-2004, 06:19 AM
Just as a note:

1. I want DS too, off course. No Idea why they dont release the stuff. AI snipers and sub-optimal online gameplay is a sure way to kill the game.

2. You can run the "normal" game in VNC by deleting (or renaming) the conf.ini file in the main directory. Then some settings not obtainable in the setup-programm are used that lets you start the program, and see the results.

But its much worse, much resource hungry. Tends to lag _even_ more.

So it works, but only just.

3. Bump.

Smoky_161st
05-03-2004, 07:35 AM
I've been watching this tread a while. I am lucky I have a box here on my network that I use as a dedicated server. Im warp free at 19 players but with dedicated software I can pile them in. Oleg and team hook us up. Don't trade your great support to buy into some corporate wigs numbers. I love these WW2 flight games you have gave us. I have to question where this game is going though. By fall time we will have a new game then a game 6 months later. Am I to assume that I shouldn't invest my time and resources into a game because it will be obsolete in 6 months? This is not how online communities thrive for years. So is there going to be a ded.exe or not and if when?