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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 11:06 PM
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09-21-2003, 11:06 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 11:15 PM
lol, I wouldnt mind the ms 1% team from www.avhistory.org (http://www.avhistory.org) doing the fm's for il2 fb they would get them very accurate in a couple days with missing or overlooking anything.

tests tests tests tests tests, realease of final product "Finished"


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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 11:18 PM
Ja, ja, you is right, ja, ja.

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 11:18 PM
Not.

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 11:18 PM
Don't understood that message... But, i know one thing: if Microsoft think that Wright Brothers was the inventor of the aircraft, they have made a american Flight Simulator. I don't believe on Wright Brothers and even on Charles Lindenberg.

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 11:19 PM
Urm...what do you believe?

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 11:23 PM
Curious, is the plane in your sig powered or unpowered?

cmte_carvalho wrote:
- Don't understood that message... But, i know one
- thing: if Microsoft think that Wright Brothers was
- the inventor of the aircraft, they have made a
- american Flight Simulator. I don't believe on Wright
- Brothers and even on Charles Lindenberg.
-
- <img
- src="http://sites.uol.com.br/disco_virtual/cmte_ca
- rvalho/compartilhada/Forgotten_Battles/Assinatura_
- IV.gif">



"Address tae an Auld Spitfire"
Arthur Smith.

Whit' maks' ye look sae sad and lost, Auld Spitfire: Whit's the maitter?
These Jets beside ye canna' boast o' Deeds like yours, or better.
You've had yur' Day and proved yur' Worth, in Fearless, Firm Formation,
And smashed Armadas o' The North, tae save an Island Nation.

Don't pout yur' 'Prop', nor wilt yur' Wings because the people pass ye
Tae look at Supersonic Things wha's vanities harass ye.
When Tyranny, at Freedom's Door, in Armoured Might, wis knockin',
Ye made a Nation's 'Finest 'Our' - The Tyrant's Blade wis Broken.

Though streakin' Jets reflect the sun - The people don't forget ye. -
You're staunin noo on Hallowed Grun', - A Monument we've set ye.
You've banked and Spun, at Battle's height when greater numbers matched ye,
And cleared the skies o' Fascist Blight, while Freedom lovers watched ye.

Noo au' yur' Supersonic Brood kin' frolic, frisk and play
In skies where once in balance stood, The Scales o' Destiny.
-Yur' youthful Dash, and Fortitude, and sense o' Service - True.
-Has won the lastin' Gratitude 'o' mony for The Few'.

Ye seem tae ken' yon man that walks, on artificial Limb. -
-He strokes yur' side, and gently talks - YE SEEM TAE TALK TAE HIM
-Ye seem tae me, withoot a doot', attached tae yin' anither:-
-Ye maun' hae much to talk aboot. -Ah'll leave ye baith the gither.

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 11:24 PM
Sorry, Carvalho, but Santos-Dumont's flight WAS AN UNCONTROLLED JUMP. That plane, the 14bis, was unable to turn in the air and get back to the starting point. Flyer I could do it, due to the new invention of Wright Bros: efficient roll control.

It should be enough for you that Santos-Dumont is the true inventor of modern airship.

- Dux Corvan -



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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 11:24 PM
Of course the Wrights invented the airplane. Not only were they the first, they were also so far ahead of Europe at the Air Meetings in Rheims several years after 1903 that nobody in Europe even came close to copying their flying feats.

BTW, Microsofts "Century of flight" is a travesty. They pretend to simulate the Flyer I, but they don't even have wing-warping incorporated. How can you simulate the Wright Flyer I without wing-warping??!! It's like simulating the Cessna without the propeller.


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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 11:33 PM
Since the coding for FB is completely different than what MS and the 1% team uses how can you be sure they would do it better.

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 11:34 PM
Freycinet wrote:
- BTW, Microsofts "Century of flight" is a travesty.
- They pretend to simulate the Flyer I, but they don't
- even have wing-warping incorporated. How can you
- simulate the Wright Flyer I without wing-warping??!!
- It's like simulating the Cessna without the
- propeller.
-

Well, maybe Wright Bros patent is still vigent and nobody can implement wing-warping, even Bill Gate$. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Luckily, that rogue, Curtiss, invented the aileron and cheated the genial -but mean- brothers. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

- Dux Corvan -



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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 11:39 PM
Nah, the Wright brothers only invented powered flight. They said themselves that a lot of their work was based on Sir George Cayley's gliders from around 1850 which were the first heavier than air machines to successfully carry a human through the air.

See http://www.allstar.fiu.edu/aero/cayley.htm for more info.




"Address tae an Auld Spitfire"
Arthur Smith.

Whit' maks' ye look sae sad and lost, Auld Spitfire: Whit's the maitter?
These Jets beside ye canna' boast o' Deeds like yours, or better.
You've had yur' Day and proved yur' Worth, in Fearless, Firm Formation,
And smashed Armadas o' The North, tae save an Island Nation.

Don't pout yur' 'Prop', nor wilt yur' Wings because the people pass ye
Tae look at Supersonic Things wha's vanities harass ye.
When Tyranny, at Freedom's Door, in Armoured Might, wis knockin',
Ye made a Nation's 'Finest 'Our' - The Tyrant's Blade wis Broken.

Though streakin' Jets reflect the sun - The people don't forget ye. -
You're staunin noo on Hallowed Grun', - A Monument we've set ye.
You've banked and Spun, at Battle's height when greater numbers matched ye,
And cleared the skies o' Fascist Blight, while Freedom lovers watched ye.

Noo au' yur' Supersonic Brood kin' frolic, frisk and play
In skies where once in balance stood, The Scales o' Destiny.
-Yur' youthful Dash, and Fortitude, and sense o' Service - True.
-Has won the lastin' Gratitude 'o' mony for The Few'.

Ye seem tae ken' yon man that walks, on artificial Limb. -
-He strokes yur' side, and gently talks - YE SEEM TAE TALK TAE HIM
-Ye seem tae me, withoot a doot', attached tae yin' anither:-
-Ye maun' hae much to talk aboot. -Ah'll leave ye baith the gither.

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 11:57 PM
When you see inside secure file system you will be suprised how similiar it is bearcat pretty much the same structure


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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 12:31 AM
"Nah, the Wright brothers only invented powered flight. They said themselves that a lot of their work was based on Sir George Cayley's gliders from around 1850 which were the first heavier than air machines to successfully carry a human through the air."


This is one of th stupidest posts I've ever seen..lol!!
So what if other people invented unpowered gliders before the Wright brothers invented sustained powered aircraft?
That has always been well known that others had unpowered gliders beforehand. There has never been any hisorical dispute of this fact. Not only did Carley have successful unpowered glider flights, but people in other countries, such as Germany, and even America did too!!
If it was so easy to make one fly with an engine though,
how's come nobody did that before the Wrights??

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 12:45 AM
they both use what for simplicity sake could be called a "table" sytem for the flight model.


there has only ever been ONE Flight Sim that ever actually based the flight model on the aerodynamic effects on the ACTUAL SHAPE of the 3D model and no ... it was not made by MS nor by Oleg.





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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 12:51 AM
warbirds 3? WTE_Galway


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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 01:17 AM
cmte_carvalho i dont understand what your saying is wrong are you saying in1903 the wright bros did not fly and nobody flew untill oct 1906?,,you dont beleve all the thousands of frencman that welcome Charls Lindberg ?.i supose we never landed on the moon either

U.S INFANTRY 84-91

Message Edited on 09/21/03 05:19PM by tenmmike

Message Edited on 09/21/0305:20PM by tenmmike

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 01:23 AM
gah!

keep MicroSoft AWAY from my, uh, Oleg's flight sim!

the horror!

the horror!!!


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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 01:36 AM
tenmmike wrote:
- cmte_carvalho i dont understand what your saying is
- wrong are you saying in1903 the wright bros did not
- fly and nobody flew untill oct 1906?,,you dont
- beleve all the thousands of frencman that welcome
- Charls Lindberg ?.i supose we never landed on the
- moon either
-
- U.S INFANTRY 84-91
-
- Message Edited on 09/21/03 05:19PM by tenmmike
-
- Message Edited on 09/21/03 05:20PM by tenmmike

Heh, I believe that man landed on the moon, I just don't believe they did it in 69 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 01:46 AM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- warbirds 3? WTE_Galway
-



X-Plane, its the only flight sim that lets you change wing profile or tail design and simulate the effects on the FM .. here is a cut and paste from a popular science article on X-Plane ..



At the heart of Meyer's creation lies a powerful technique based on blade element theory. Formulated in the 19th century as a way to analyze rotor and propeller dynamics, this theory allows one to split each segment of a rotating airfoil into minuscule pieces, then sum the forces exerted on each. Meyer expanded the technique's power by applying it to an aircraft's entire surface, treating the wings, flaps, fuselage, empennage and ailerons as if they were slowly rotating rotor blades. The program sums the net dynamic effect over the entire airframe and repeats the calculation as often as 100 times per second.

"Basically, what you've got is a virtual wind tunnel," says Graham Hodgetts, president of Pittsburgh-based Fidelity Flight Simulation, which uses a modified version of X-Plane as the guts of its professional full-motion flight simulators. Recently, the company won approval from the FAA to use its simulators for real-life pilot instruction. "The program is scarily accurate," Hodgetts says. "Every time we get to a point where someone says, 'Wait, it's not doing what it's supposed to be doing,' the answer usually is, 'Yes, it is, but you're asking it to do something different from what you meant to.'"

The competition uses a very different methodology. To calculate aircraft dynamics, Microsoft's Flight Simulator refers to tables of empirical data, then modifies those numbers to take into account pressure, temperature and other conditions. Flight Simulator also incorporates aspects of blade element theory, but relevant data have to exist in order for an aircraft to be modeled by Microsoft, whereas X-Plane calculates its own data based on the design of the aircraft.





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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 01:48 AM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- When you see inside secure file system you will be
- suprised how similiar it is bearcat pretty much the
- same structure


Again with this story. Lead can you explain it better...



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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 02:28 AM
WTE_Galway wrote:
- they both use what for simplicity sake could be
- called a "table" sytem for the flight model.
-
-
- there has only ever been ONE Flight Sim that ever
- actually based the flight model on the aerodynamic
- effects on the ACTUAL SHAPE of the 3D model and no
- ... it was not made by MS nor by Oleg.
-
Yep, and we all know the name of that gem; Flight Unlimited (Original version). IMO still the best flight sim I have seen on the PC with regard to aircraft behaviour and although not military it was great cause it was about aerobatics. Why can't other sims use the same idea with flight modelling? Also the first with photorealistic terrain but unfortunately not 3D hardware accellerated.

Zayets
09-22-2003, 07:05 AM
yeah,red this:

http://www.deltawing.go.ro/history/vuia.htm or this
http://www.cpcug.org/user/stefan/vuia.html or this
http://www.ici.ro/romania/science/vuia.html

Was pretty instructive , not like I didn't knew that before./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Zayets out

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 08:20 AM
Hey Leadspitter, I don't know if anyone ever told you, but the (c) demarkation on your little quote you run stands for "copyright". Don't worry, I'll only use it with expressed written consent.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 08:50 AM
I thought flight unlimited flew bad, and looked good. Maybe too much MS Flight Simulator experience. Other than looks I never noticed anything fancy about it.

I thought that above poast was talking about the X-plane simulator?

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 08:55 AM
THe Wright Brothers invented and flew a slingshot "bulet"...they had to use high winds and a catapult BESIDE the onboard engine to make that stuff fly...so, what makes this different than the people runing downhill with a glider on their backs?http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Carvallho, you might want to watch the SIZE of that sig...is way out of the official limits and beside, Santos-D, a playboy mostly flew years AFTER Vuia, who flew his own plane a year earlier also in Paris...plane build WITH A LOT LESS money than Santos' one.

Also, Vuia put wheels on his plane...thus inventing the LANDING GEAR...

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Zayets
09-22-2003, 09:04 AM
fu flew bad. That has to be funny, hehehe. Ever played FU or FU2 or FU3? Now , this flightsim has a FM not like FS2xxx notto mention there are things in fU3 not matched yet by FS2004 (terrain tiles). FU3 was the best sim even after FS2002 came on the market . Had everything you've imagined except "world coverage" , but neither FS2004 have this. They said FS2xxx cover the whole world but is not true,try flying over your village and see if you find it doen there , hehehehe. FU3 had only 2 areas , sF bay and Seattle but what landscape! community started few other areas such as south England which looks also cool. I remember I've bought FU , known now as FU1 , by mistake and fel in love with this aerobatic sim. Then came FU2 aand I knew I had to buy it. For FU3 I hve placed my order half year before release. Soon after release , Looking glass went banckrupt but the developers released some white papers and so everything began. Starting with Gideon Pertzov , the man who built all the tools you need to modify your game , then few talented ppl like Ansgar who built the famous DC3 (among others , such as b747) and many , many more building landscape , cockpits and so on. FU3 is 4-5 years old but still bring a top rig to its knees and was built on Dx7 if I'm not mistaken. Nowaday you can find easy FU1 and FU2 but FU3 is pretty hard to find it. I have all 3 of them and they are locked in a safe to be sure nobody put thier hand on them. For me FU series was the refference and the game who made me feel in love with flight simming.
You brought back good memories to me and I think I will reinstall the game tonight. Thank you.

Zayets out

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 09:13 AM
Rather Russian planes are UBER or not. The P-47 still owns them. Do as I do fly the Jug and you will dish out the pain rather then recieve it.
S~
47|FC

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 09:46 AM
hi,

..some more planes ..in the comming Addon..
everyone will recognise soon...the developers interest to a so called ' arkade balanced game' ...beside the old programming problems in some main features...which will fixed not anymore..

IL2/FB ..it's history...of a interest part of combat PC sims during the last 2 years...



VMF-214_HaVoK wrote:
- Rather Russian planes are UBER or not. The P-47
- still owns them. Do as I do fly the Jug and you will
- dish out the pain rather then recieve it.
- S~
- 47|FC
-
-

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 11:02 AM
Yes, the Wright brothers built their flyer and thereafter invested in lawsuits instead of development. There has to be a lesson in this.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 11:08 AM
I feel violated. Did I just spent one minute of my life reading a pointless thread?

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Zayets
09-22-2003, 11:14 AM
What's the problem ,Ven? If you don't like it , you can always lock it. Beside , I have read great posts that I would never read them normally but they were locked,so... they caught my attention. I don't see how you spent one minute from your life reading this.It contains pretty much information. All you had to do is to filter it , you know , get the good and trash the bad...

Zayets out

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 11:17 AM
Why can't I b!tch around and nag away on threads I find stupid, like the rest of u?

The title of this thread is just a whine and the content of the initial post useless.

Hey, I feel like RBJ.

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Zayets
09-22-2003, 11:27 AM
No ! You can't! You're lost (by being a mod) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Zayets out

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 11:56 AM
So they keep telling me.

A life without spamming ain't a true life. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 12:48 PM
Vengeanze wrote:
- So they keep telling me.
-
- A life without spamming ain't a true life.

Come to the CWoS side, Ven...



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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 12:55 PM
Vengeanze wrote:
- A life without spamming ain't a true life.

Amen.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 05:19 PM
Hey Vengeanze, the title was ironic, as shown by the content of the first posting.

I see so much whining by first-time posters in this forum that I have come to the conclusion that a few Microsoft employees have been asked to diss this game hee. MS has done that before with other competitors.

BTW, what the F are you doing reading this, I though this thread was a waste of time!! :-))

Re: Wright brothers:

Sorry guys, their first plane, the Flyer I, did NOT use a catapult to launch!

- They knew the rules for getting their first flight accepted as "the first self-sustained flight by a heavier-than-air flying machine. They chose level ground and no starting aids expressly to comply with those rules.

Later they used a catapult device for take-off, because they had notoriously weak engines - as did everybody at the time - and could only bring along pasengers if they used a little push during take-off.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 05:49 PM
Freycinet wrote:
This sim....It was really good once...things happened...and Oleg's pro-Russian bias became evide



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thats a fact jack

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 05:58 PM
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RichardI
09-22-2003, 07:00 PM
Gimme a break. Microsh!t doesn't care about this sim. CFS3 still outsells it. I saw FB on sale for $20 Can. last week.
Don't get me wrong, I love FB. But in terms of sales, it's not taking anything away from MS. And at that price, it tells me the marketplace says it's a flop.

And Locust_161st, it's spelled Enabled....

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 08:12 PM
Freycinet wrote:
-
- Sorry guys, their first plane, the Flyer I, did NOT
- use a catapult to launch!


That's true. Many people think that the rail used to take off were a catapult, but its propose was to minimize ground resistance during take-off. The Flyer I was capable of taking off and landing on its skids.

Of course, there were many powered flights before (and after) the Flyer. Ader, Le Bris, Vuia, Santos-Dumont, Mozhaiski, Maxim, even the first non-tripulated Aerodromes by Langley, but they all had one thing in common: they lacked efficient and safe flight controls. They were simply unable to take-off, have a sustained powered flight, turn in the air, go up or down, and finally land near the same place they had parted from.

The Wrights were the first to get it, thanks to the study on aerodynamics and how roll was necesary to have safe and closed turns. In Europe, it was not until 1907 that Voisin managed a plane to remain in the air until its fuel had run out, and some time later European aircraft makers began to implement ailerons, the great invention that Curtiss had improved to make a way around the Wrights' wing-warping patent without violating it (starting an enraged lawyers' conflict that was to last for long years).

In the Reims show of 1908, the Wright appeared with their perfected Flyers, and were so ahead of the rest that all sceptical nationalistic minds in Europe (and Brazil /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ), most of which had believed (due to the Wrights secrecy) firmly that Santos-Dumont had been the first to fly in 1906, had to recognize they were the parents of the thing.

That's all. It as little controversial as the Discovery of America... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif




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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 08:33 PM
Freycinet wrote:
- Hey Vengeanze, the title was ironic, as shown by the
- content of the first posting.
-
- I see so much whining by first-time posters in this
- forum that I have come to the conclusion that a few
- Microsoft employees have been asked to diss this
- game hee. MS has done that before with other
- competitors.
-
- BTW, what the F are you doing reading this, I though
- this thread was a waste of time!! :-))
-
- Re: Wright brothers:
-
- Sorry guys, their first plane, the Flyer I, did NOT
- use a catapult to launch!
-
-- They knew the rules for getting their first flight accepted as "the first self-sustained flight by a heavier-than-air flying machine. They chose level ground and no starting aids expressly to comply with those rules.
-
- Later they used a catapult device for take-off,
- because they had notoriously weak engines - as did
- everybody at the time - and could only bring along
- pasengers if they used a little push during
- take-off.
-
- Freycinet



Boy, do I feel stupid now. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif


And no, won't go CWoS anymore. Always get tangle in em patriotic/politic threads and it messes the place up.
Son of a politician, ya know.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 08:48 PM
Wright brothers flyer = convergence of technology, they invented niether a flyable airframe ( aka glider ) nor an internal combustion engine, they just put them together. What they did invent was the control surface with their twisting wing.

As to the Russian plane thing, their performance has degraded with every patch.