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patch_adams
07-24-2004, 11:27 AM

patch_adams
07-24-2004, 11:27 AM

Udidtoo
07-24-2004, 11:32 AM
"Poll: c word, rhymes with "eating"

Starter of this future flame magnet deserves a beating........

Hows that? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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LeadSpitter_
07-24-2004, 11:40 AM
patch adams should be hit in the head with aluminum sheeting.

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tsisqua
07-24-2004, 11:41 AM
Well, if you are taking off, on the runway you may notice that the AI has their flaps down in a takeoff position. The default "V", and "F" keys only allow you to have landing flaps in the Spit . . . as it was in real life. Since I play offline as much as online (I don't have flaps on a slider . . . Man, we may actually get RBJ back here over this one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif . . . ) the ai should be as handicapped as I am. Until my pixel pilots are restricted as I am, I wion't sweat it.

Yes, I understand what this means for online play. I consider this an "exploit", not a cheat. There is a DIFFERENCE. Remember the Linda Blair view that the TIR users enjoyed at one time? I agree that this should be changed, but I still cannot consider this a "cheat".

Also, I know that the AI flight model seems to behave independently of the visuals, it is just an aesthetic thing for me, really. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I'm interested to see how this poll goes. I predict a couple of pages . . . at the very least. LOL

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tsisqua
07-24-2004, 11:58 AM
Then again . . . maybe not. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

Tully__
07-24-2004, 12:00 PM
This topic is likely to start an awful lot of bleating...

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07-24-2004, 01:06 PM
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LW_lcarp
07-24-2004, 01:09 PM
Sounds like exploitaion to me just like all the other little exploits that used to be but are no more we need this fixed now

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MEGILE
07-24-2004, 01:14 PM
Yes, flying the spitfire in the first place is cheating.

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NegativeGee
07-24-2004, 01:35 PM
My interest in this topic is only fleeting.

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Tully__
07-24-2004, 01:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LW_lcarp:
...we need this fixed now...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's hardly new, this has been possible right from the early Sturmovik days (I-16 also has two position flaps). It's not something that can't be achieved simply by juggling the flaps up/down keyboard controls, using an axis just makes it a fraction easier.

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Dawg-of-death
07-24-2004, 05:58 PM
Where is the slider king Ray Ban Jockey when you need him? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/sonar.gif

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FW-Raptor
07-24-2004, 06:06 PM
i selected | Yes, flying a spitfire in the first place is cheating | because that plane beats all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

LW_lcarp
07-24-2004, 06:18 PM
They slowed up the trim exploit then got rid of the manual prop exploit now its the Flaps exploit. ots amazing what people will do to try and get the advantage in a game

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VOL_Hans
07-24-2004, 06:19 PM
It is cheating.

Not everybody has the money to spend to allow them to cheat the game. This is NOT available to everybody.

If it was available to everybody, it would merely be an exploit. Something dirty and wrong, but something that anybody could do.

Because all pilots can not afford a stick with many sliders, this is a CHEAT.

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GT182
07-24-2004, 06:20 PM
I didn't vote but here's my take on using flaps on a slider. Maybe.... but only if it was done in real life.

If anyone can find out from a "Spit Pilot" or can get the info from a site giving the rundown on Spitfires and it could be done, then sure by all means use it. If not then "NO way".

If it's the "NO way" answer then get rid of it along with the infamous "Wonder Woman View". Seeing that hasn't been dealt with, I don't believe using flaps on a slider will be either.

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RK_HH-Mainframe
07-24-2004, 06:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VOL_Hans:
It is cheating.

Not everybody has the money to spend to allow them to cheat the game. This is NOT available to everybody.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lol i have been flying with someone who didnt had the money to buy a stick after the one he had broke down.. so should we all go back on keyboard? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

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VOL_Hans
07-24-2004, 06:35 PM
Well, my buddy broke his keyboard, and dosen't have the money to buy a new one...So, maybe we should all just stop playing the game? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

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RK_HH-Mainframe
07-24-2004, 06:37 PM
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All get some paper and make paperplanes and fight each other and see wich one will be the first called uber?

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Baltar
07-24-2004, 07:36 PM
Calling it cheating is nonsense. Sure it may be ahistorical, but 'cheating' implies an unfair game advantage; the fact that the aircraft in this game are inherently unequal guarantees a lack of balance to begin with.

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heywooood
07-24-2004, 07:43 PM
to all who have posted here, I give a greeting.

with my middle finger, I am entreating..

you all to continue this mindless repeating..

of the charges that some people must be cheating..

because you kill me so easily at every meeting...



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arcadeace
07-24-2004, 08:26 PM
From what I've seen I prefer RBJ to Patch Adams http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Udidtoo
07-24-2004, 08:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by arcadeace:
From what I've seen I prefer RBJ to Patch Adams http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here here, He was usually arrogant, often rude and more often than not highly amusing.

He evan managed to be informative on occasion.

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BennyMoore
07-24-2004, 09:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RK_HH-Mainframe:
Lol i have been flying with someone who didnt had the money to buy a stick after the one he had broke down.. so should we all go back on keyboard?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll state the obvious. The difference, wench, is that you're supposed to use a joystick. Most everyone does, and it is a good thing. However, you are not supposed to be mapping sliders to flaps in order to be able to do something that the game doesn't mean for you to be able to do, and that could not be done in real life. Not everyone can do this, and it is not a good thing. It gives an unfair, as well as unrealistic, advantage and is downright womanish. Say, why are you bug exploit kids even playing IL-2? What not play Crimson Skies? Or does Crimson Skies require too much imagination for your television-riddled brains?

Oh, and if I had any doubt that Patch Adams was a troll, it is gone now.

Mitlov47
07-24-2004, 09:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NegativeGee:
My interest in this topic is only fleeting.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your pre-emption of my quip has left me seething.

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tsisqua
07-24-2004, 11:31 PM
Ok, I can't for the life of me find it anywhere, but I seem to remember reading an account of using the flaps during combat by only toggling them, off, and then on. Were the flaps hydrolic, or did you have to pull cables with the strength of your arm, allowing you to extend the flaps slightly if needed without latching them into place? What I am getting at is that the flaps may have been used in combat by real Spit pilots.

Maybe those that can afford the hardware are actually getting more realism for their money.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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BennyMoore
07-25-2004, 02:26 AM
No, that's not realism, obviously. In a real airplane that did not have an intermediate setting for flaps, you might be able to achieve intermediate flaps by phyisically flipping the switch back and forth constantly. This is exactly what anyone can do in game with keys or buttons.

What cannot happen in that situation in real life is putting the switch in the middle, leaving it there, and having the flaps go there. And that's what these creeps with the bug expoiting flap wheel joysticks are doing.

It's quite simple, really. It's a bug exploit, arguably a cheat, and irrefutably unrealistic. And Patch Adams is a troll.

I don't see what's so hard to understand.

Hmmm, I'm afraid I didn't read your post thoroughly the first time, and I missed the question about flaps being manual or not. In that light, my insulting tone toward you was unwarranted and I apologize (although not to the exploiters). To answer your question, flaps are not hand operated.

RK_HH-Mainframe
07-25-2004, 06:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BennyMoore:
It gives an unfair, as well as unrealistic, advantage and is downright womanish. Say, why are you bug exploit kids even playing IL-2? What not play Crimson Skies? Or does Crimson Skies require too much imagination for your television-riddled brains?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jealous because you can't afford a stick with sliders? People like you screw things on the forum. Taking it personal and insulting other ppl. FYI i was just making a little joke towards Vol Hans and he joked back... Mabey taking it a bit more relaxed instead of insulting ppl for such an stupid thing. And if i say im a woman can i do it then without being insulted?

Holycannoli
07-25-2004, 07:44 AM
Hmm. So flaps just did not behave the way they do in IL2 with axis control? They only had set positions?

In that case, I have to say it's cheating. BUT...it's a cheat that can probably be fixed with some simple code (hopefully).

I'm not gonna berate anyone that uses their controls to adjust flaps like that. I mean, the game DOES allow it. It just shouldn't be possible to begin with.

And my view has nothing to do with the fact that I don't have an available axis to map to flaps (IE no USB controller for it, just my joystick and throttle) because I can easily get one in the near future. Fact of the matter is it shouldn't be possible to begin with, and should be fixed in a patch http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif if possible.

BennyMoore
07-25-2004, 12:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RK_HH-Mainframe:
Jealous because you can't afford a stick with sliders?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, obviously I'm not. I hold strong contempt for anyone who would do that. Why would I be bitter about not being able to use an unrealistic "feature?"

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Holycannoli:
And my view has nothing to do with the fact that I don't have an available axis to map to flaps (IE no USB controller for it, just my joystick and throttle) because I can easily get one in the near future. Fact of the matter is it shouldn't be possible to begin with, and should be fixed in a patch<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is how I feel also.

Holycannoli, it's a thing specific to the Spitfire and a few other airplanes. They cannot adjust their flaps to intermediate settings, like ten degrees or fifteen degrees. It's all or nothing - full flaps or no flaps. The only way they could possibly have their flaps in between is by constantly jiggling the lever, and we're not even sure that would work. My guess is that it wouldn't, because on the real life P-38 Lightning if you tried that, the flaps would fully extend (except for the very latest ones).

And the game properly models that for the Spitfire, as you are only able to lower them fully - unless you have a joystick slider. And that's the bug exploit that I'm vehemently opposing and which some people here actually seem to be defending. It probably will not be fixed.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RK_HH-Mainframe:
And if i say im a woman can i do it then without being insulted?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, you'd then not get insulted for using bug exploits, as it is expected. I'd probably give you a hard time for being a woman, though.