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MachineII
01-27-2004, 06:18 AM
http://users.adelphia.net/~machineii/Images/p38zook1.jpg

I posted this image a long time ago....

It's in Bodie's book. Never was in mass-production but DID see combat. Don't know where (probably the Aleutians, PTO, or MTO considering this is a '42 design).

And as long as we're getting experimental load-outs...why not the P-38 torpedo loadout?

http://p-38online.com/torpedo.jpg

The only thing I hope is that all these A2G packages aren't some excuse to take away from the P-38 as an A2A fighter.

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MachineII
01-27-2004, 06:18 AM
http://users.adelphia.net/~machineii/Images/p38zook1.jpg

I posted this image a long time ago....

It's in Bodie's book. Never was in mass-production but DID see combat. Don't know where (probably the Aleutians, PTO, or MTO considering this is a '42 design).

And as long as we're getting experimental load-outs...why not the P-38 torpedo loadout?

http://p-38online.com/torpedo.jpg

The only thing I hope is that all these A2G packages aren't some excuse to take away from the P-38 as an A2A fighter.

http://users.adelphia.net/~machineii/images/sig7.jpg

Future-
01-27-2004, 08:03 AM
Nice pictures, this should silence some of the "anti-experimental" loudmouths.

S!

- Future

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IV_JG51_Razor
01-27-2004, 08:09 AM
Great post MachineII. That's the first actual picture of that loadout with the bazooka tubes mounted on the fuselage I've ever seen. I didn't think Gibb would have included it if he didn't have some kind of proof that it existed in RL. But it sure is funky looking! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I'd love to see the torpedoes offered as a choice. I have seen that one before.

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A.K.Davis
01-27-2004, 10:00 AM
Actually, if you'll read the other thread (locked now due to Bucky's fine contributions), Gibbage says he did not model those loadouts. Someone at Maddox Games added them on their own.

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MiloMorai
01-27-2004, 10:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Future-:
Nice pictures, this should silence some of the "anti-experimental" loudmouths.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not as loudmouthed as some of the furniture van mouthpieces.



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Future-
01-27-2004, 11:49 AM
Oh come on Milo, there's no shame in admitting, at least for once, that you were at least partly wrong/not fully informed. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

- Future

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MiloMorai
01-27-2004, 12:11 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Can the LW boys have some of their experimental loadouts? torps, SG ATs, BT bombs on fuselage and wings, Haglehorn, X-4s on the Fws



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Future-
01-27-2004, 02:00 PM
Hm, sure can't hurt to add some of the experimental stuff for LW as well, regarding loadouts.
Cause regarding planes, you're already getting yer present http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

- Future

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380th Bomb Group 5th AF USAAF

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tagert
01-27-2004, 02:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MachineII:
http://users.adelphia.net/~machineii/Images/p38zook1.jpg

I posted this image a long time ago....

It's in Bodie's book. Never was in mass-production but DID see combat. Don't know where (probably the Aleutians, PTO, or MTO considering this is a '42 design).

And as long as we're getting experimental load-outs...why not the P-38 torpedo loadout?

http://p-38online.com/torpedo.jpg

The only thing I hope is that all these A2G packages aren't some excuse to take away from the P-38 as an A2A fighter.

http://users.adelphia.net/~machineii/images/sig7.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>WOW! Good Job! Cool pictures!!

TAGERT

VW-IceFire
01-27-2004, 09:20 PM
I'm totally in favor of some more loadouts for the Luftwaffe. Panzerfaust (sp?) rockets, the big 50mm cannon type, and the X-4 would be interesting except there is no real code in the game that I can think of that would govern that type of weapon.

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Future-
01-28-2004, 05:05 AM
That's about the fourth time now I read hear this "X-4" being mentioned... what is/was it?

- Future

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LeadSpitter_
01-28-2004, 06:09 AM
still happy to have them all, kimura seems like he doesnt want them and hates the p38, but 5000lb on the pe8, the il2 fab napalm, 109 and 190 rockets, 190 cluster bomb to attack formations of b17s and others were not widely used either, Im all for more payloads of all aircraft, and the hurricane definatly needs them badly.

Along with 10 wing mounted hvars for the mustang and p47d 27 used in europe and the pto, even the p40s carried the 3 rocket tubes as well as the p51b and c and they had the option to jettison the tubes if in trouble.

Also the bomb positioning is wrong on the p47, center fuselage carrieda max of 500lb or droptank and the two wing racks held either 500 or 1000lb bombs

so when 1c is fixing the d27s rollrate and compensate for the 120 rich mix loss of power at low alt please fix the bomb positions http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Also a way of dropping the rockettubes have it jettison with the weapon fire key when empty.

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roachclip
01-28-2004, 10:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Future-:
That's about the fourth time now I read hear this "X-4" being mentioned... what is/was it?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You asked about the X-4. This is what I found on the web

Kramer X-4
The X-4, also known as RK 344, was probably the first practical AAM. It had four wings, arranged in cruciform shape, and four small control fins. Two guidance wires were unrolled from spools on the wings. Range was about 3.5km, with the missile preferrably fired from about 1.5km distance. It had a 20kg warhead. Hundreds were test fired, and in some occasions test missiles seem to have been fired in anger. But no X-4 missiles reached operational units.

from http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/Secweap.htm

roachclip
01-28-2004, 10:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
Along with 10 wing mounted hvars for the mustang and p47d 27 used in europe and the pto, even the p40s carried the 3 rocket tubes as well as the p51b and c and they had the option to jettison the tubes if in trouble.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You sure about 10 HVARS on the P-51 during WW2? Even during the Korean War only 6 were the usual number carried.