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jeroenrepk
08-15-2004, 09:01 AM
Since I'm a real fan of boom and zoom (engergie fighters), but don't realy know which planes are sutable for this tactic I wanted ask you if anybody could tell me some plane types for this kind of tactic.

The only plane I allready know that is suited for this tactic is the Bf-109.

many thanks in advance

jeroenrepk
08-15-2004, 09:01 AM
Since I'm a real fan of boom and zoom (engergie fighters), but don't realy know which planes are sutable for this tactic I wanted ask you if anybody could tell me some plane types for this kind of tactic.

The only plane I allready know that is suited for this tactic is the Bf-109.

many thanks in advance

Speco
08-15-2004, 09:11 AM
Withouth going in to a great number of other a/c I'm gonna name the King of B'n'Z: the P-47 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

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JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
08-15-2004, 09:14 AM
Spitfire, bf109, FW190, P47, P38, P51

and some others, mostly one can say planes which dive to about 800kph and above are suited for BnZ.

P38 is more energy-fighter than pure BnZ

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lindyman
08-15-2004, 09:54 AM
It depends on what plane you go up against.

For example, the I16 is typically a turn fighter, but if you fly it against a J8A Gladiator, you'll be much more successful using energy tactics.
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Lord-Raptor
08-15-2004, 10:03 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif Focke-Wulf is best BnZ

p1ngu666
08-15-2004, 10:07 AM
i16 is bnz fighter, be sure http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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jeroenrepk
08-15-2004, 02:59 PM
Thanks! I'm currently using the Bf-109, but I think I'll get myselfe in the FW-190. Just because that plane is a bit more chalenging to fly.

Atomic_Marten
08-15-2004, 03:25 PM
ToP_BlackSheep mention all the best BnZ A/C's. Generally anything that will gain alt fast in process rarely overheats and not lose it's wing on 750kmh over. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Cajun76
08-15-2004, 03:32 PM
Just remember, a proper energy fight is more of a combination of BnZ and TnB. Both are aspects, but they can be performed without understanding energy tactics. Also, BnZ does not require altitude, it requires a speed (energy) differential. Altitude can help, but it's not required.

Just diving on someone is not energy fighting, it's BnZ. An energy engagement would involve bleeding the other plane of energy whilst increasing your energy level. BnZ uses this aspect like a sledgehammer, large amounts of speed difference, usually generated by trading altitude for speed. A proper TnB uses smaller differences in energy to wear down the opponents energy. The proper energy fight is something more, in between pure angles and hit 'n run fighting. In this way, whether your a/c turns, climbs, or dives better, your strengths can be used against the opponents weaknesses, even at the same or a disadvantaged altitude.

Give the P-47D-27 a try, you might like it.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Good luck and

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jeroenrepk
08-15-2004, 03:58 PM
Thanks, but Boom and zoom it's going to be. I've had most succes with this tactic so far online.

I've done myselfe some research, not realy profesional and only done once but this is what I did: I started at 10000 m with a standard (default loadout) plane and immidiately dived straight down. Then I waited until the first part broke off the plane, I wrote this speed down (the speed shown in the speed bar) and this is what I came up with:

La-7(3x20) 770
Mig-3 800
P-38L uncontrolable: 630, broke: 930
P-39 Q10 810
P-40M 830
P-47 D27 1050
P-51C 930
P-51D 910
P-63C-5 970
Spitfire L.F. Vb 1942 790
Spitfire Mk.IXc 850
Yak-3P 820
Yak-9UT 850
A6M5a 760
Bf-109 K4 1030
Bf-109 G6/AS 870
Bf-109 G2 830
Fw-190 A9 890
Fw-190 D9 '45 960
Fw-190 F8 930
Ta-152 940
Ki-84bi 840

I didn't test their maneuvrability at these speeds but at least it's some data. This clearly shown that the P-47 is the plane I need to go for indead!

PBNA-Boosher
08-15-2004, 04:09 PM
Boom and Zoom fighters are not Energy fighters. If you want an energy fighter, try the P-38. If you want a BnZ fighter, try the P-47. The tactics for the two are completely different.

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Fehler
08-15-2004, 04:12 PM
The Focke Wulf 190 is the best B&Z aircraft in the game in my opinion. It is the only plane that truly has one pass kill potential without the grapefruit cannons attached. And the only plane that is more maneuveable than it at high speed is the P-51.

It's zoom climb is one of the best in the game as well, and although the forward view is not the best, the side view more tham makes up for it.

Yep, for me, it's all about the Butcher Bird!

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Atomic_Marten
08-15-2004, 04:17 PM
You see, there is a chance that ur findings may not be correct, due to simple reason: on low alt's plane parts will fell off while on the higher alt on the same speed all you'll going to experience is a little shaking.

And while it is a great chance that some planes in your test will reach that low alt's faster that the others (especially if u set power on 100% -- some A/C's will reach Earth before others due to their more horsepowered engines). You have to consider this also.

Some folks says that all planes in IL-2 are diving on the same speed (have read this kind of statement several times -- cannot confirm however), maybe if u set your power to 0%, and get your A/C in full vertical diving position, than you'll get much more accurate results from 10,000m (if diving speeds are the same, that is).

And since you have done that tests, you probably experienced that while some planes can endure extreme speeds some of their controlls freezes, so you must also take notice of that while flying one of those birds. Take for instance Fw190 v Bf109. While both can handle extreme speeds, Bf109 controll (elevator!) will freeze in a good percentage, whil Fw190 will handle good, and there is a great chance that u will black out/crash while BnZ in Bf109 if you're not carefull (reduce speed http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif).

Also worth to mention notorious P-51 ability to lost wing while pulling stick up on high speed.

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Huckebein_UK
08-15-2004, 04:19 PM
I like the '109 and '190, but you've just gotta try 'em all out yourself and find which one 'fits' you mate. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Jason Bourne
08-15-2004, 05:11 PM
I dont know about you guys, but ive found that the Yak3P is a great turner. maybe its just me, but its the best plane ive found so far.

WUAF_Badsight
08-15-2004, 11:01 PM
naaaah its just you . . . . .

& btw . . . . . BnZ is not E fighting

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jeroenrepk
08-15-2004, 11:37 PM
Roger that, boom and zoom is no energy fighting. I'll go for the BnZ. About the test, thats true there are a lot of faults in this test, but it is some data and since most of the planes reached their breaking speed around 5000 m (the realy fast planes like the P-47 at 3000 m) it is some data. I might indead select a few planes that I'd like to fly with, 109, 190, P-47 and give the 0% diving test a go.

Dawg-of-death
08-16-2004, 12:04 AM
CR 42 works well BnZ on gofers......... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif


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WTE_Galway
08-16-2004, 12:32 AM
one more requirement of good B&Z aircraft

overwhelming firepower .. you need to do a lot of damage in a few short seconds

jeroenrepk
08-16-2004, 01:14 AM
Damage is the main thing I'm still a bit reluctant to the P-47. I know there are 8 .50 guns on it, and if you get the convergance right, that is a lot of firepower. But The german planes, like the 190 and 109 have just that edge on the P-47, with all the canon's on it.

LuftLuver
08-16-2004, 01:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dawg-of-death:
CR 42 works well BnZ on gofers......... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif


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WaffenKatze
08-16-2004, 01:39 AM
wait a sec

does 190 can't E-fighting? even D9?

Friendly_flyer
08-16-2004, 03:20 AM
The P-47 flyes like a brick, but it's fast and stable, so it should be really well suited to BnZ-tactics. It only has one fault: With the .50s you will have to aim well, judge distance well or be lucky to get that "one pass, one kill" that you want when BnZing. That is: Training, training, training...

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Cajun76
08-16-2004, 08:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kazimiera:
wait a sec

does 190 can't E-fighting? even D9?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No one said the 190 can't E-fight. Any plane can E-fight in the right conditions. Merely saying that BnZ does not equal Energy fighting.

Fehler would be a good one to ask about the strengths of the A and D series relative to each other and the opponents they are likely to face.

Good hunting,
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The190Flyer
08-16-2004, 08:53 AM
I agree with Fehler 190's are superb at BnZ'n. I find that with the Dora's you easily disable em perty good on the first pass, and once you go in a steep dive you can outrun almost anything.


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mortoma
08-17-2004, 03:00 PM
BnZ is energy fighting but energy fighting is not always BnZ.