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airplanekiller
05-05-2004, 05:41 AM
hi,
I just bought the FB Gold pack that comes with AEP. I haven't played this sim before, but my friends recommended it so here I am. So far its awesome, way way better (and harder http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif ) than anything else out there.

Anyway, I've been practicing killing tanks with bombs and rockets, and using the Il-2 guns to take out T-34s, which is fun but a little frustrating because of the recoil.

I took up a P-47 this morning and strafed a column of German tanks over and over again to no effect. How come the 50 caliber guns won't destroy the tanks?

airplanekiller
05-05-2004, 05:41 AM
hi,
I just bought the FB Gold pack that comes with AEP. I haven't played this sim before, but my friends recommended it so here I am. So far its awesome, way way better (and harder http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif ) than anything else out there.

Anyway, I've been practicing killing tanks with bombs and rockets, and using the Il-2 guns to take out T-34s, which is fun but a little frustrating because of the recoil.

I took up a P-47 this morning and strafed a column of German tanks over and over again to no effect. How come the 50 caliber guns won't destroy the tanks?

StihlCanuk
05-05-2004, 05:47 AM
Hmmm....maybe you need a canon to penetrate the tank's armor.Just a thought http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Rodger,go with throttle up...

JorBR
05-05-2004, 05:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by airplanekiller:
hi,
I just bought the FB Gold pack that comes with AEP. I haven't played this sim before, but my friends recommended it so here I am. So far its awesome, way way better (and harder http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif ) than anything else out there.

Anyway, I've been practicing killing tanks with bombs and rockets, and using the Il-2 guns to take out T-34s, which is fun but a little frustrating because of the recoil.

I took up a P-47 this morning and strafed a column of German tanks over and over again to no effect. How come the 50 caliber guns won't destroy the tanks?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Welcome to this wonderfull game.

Well, .50´s can´t do any damage against tanks of course. Take a look here http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8217/fgun/fgun-in.html , could be usefful http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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StihlCanuk
05-05-2004, 05:48 AM
BTW,welcome to this forum.This is a great place to be. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Rodger,go with throttle up...

ELEM
05-05-2004, 05:56 AM
You wont be very popular with your commander if you take out T-34's with your IL-2!

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

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JtD
05-05-2004, 05:58 AM
They just don't penetrate. Go after vehicles.

SUPERAEREO
05-05-2004, 06:09 AM
Use the rockets.

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Slush69
05-05-2004, 06:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by airplanekiller:
I took up a P-47 this morning and strafed a column of German tanks over and over again to no effect. How come the 50 caliber guns won't destroy the tanks?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I seem to recall a few persons discussed this for a little while. If you try the search function, you might be able to find a post or two about it.

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S 8
05-05-2004, 06:30 AM
I have killed tanks with a P47.Just dive on them (70-80 degrees) and let those fiftys go.

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WOLFMondo
05-05-2004, 07:00 AM
The 0.50 cals on the P47 will destroy some tanks, Im not sure if there is a complex DM but they do seem to actually destoy some of the earlier war tanks if you get a concentrated burst on there behind or side. This kind of fits in with RL where some cannons/mg's could penetrate some armout but not others, one thing though is most tanks actually had armour as thick at the back as they did at the front, its the decking above the engine thats usually the weakest. Most kills I get though are from rockets.

What is hard to destroy are tigers, I've only destroyed them if the take a direct bomb hit (not a near miss by even a metre). Even direct rocket hit seem to do very little.

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VW-IceFire
05-05-2004, 07:23 AM
To destroy some of the ligher tanks in a P-47 you need to be in an almost 90 degree dive to take them out. Otherwise the angle of the bullets hitting the thick armor will see the .50 cals bouncing right off (its not visually shown but its happening).

One of the few problems for the P-47 in terms of CAS was that it didn't have sufficient firepower to really take out tanks with guns. Bombs or rockets were necessary for that.

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CaptainGelo
05-05-2004, 07:27 AM
for recoil problem, trim your plane for level fly and recoil will be almsot gone&lt;&lt;&lt;for Il-2, p47 got no recoil.. and to kill tanks dive on them with 60-90* angel...wiht bothe pe7 and il-2...best is 90* dive..cuz there is where they got weakest armor

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HangerQueen
05-05-2004, 07:35 AM
(takes a deep breath...)

Obviously the 0.50 cal bullets bouncing up off the tarmac and penetrating the tank's belly arn't modelled. Could this be fixed for the patch?

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05-05-2004, 07:40 AM
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HangerQueen
05-05-2004, 07:58 AM
I have my own Anderson shelter in the back yard http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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maxim26
05-05-2004, 08:29 AM
I found in impossible to kill Panther even with early model IL2 cannon. Though IL2-3M works greathttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Nero111
05-05-2004, 08:38 AM
Brs rockets or PTAB's m8.

CraytonRoberts
05-05-2004, 09:05 AM
To superluminal: what is that slick aircraft? I thought I knew Luftwaffe planes. Is it a "fantasy plane?"
Bob Roberts

airplanekiller
05-05-2004, 02:14 PM
Thanks for answering. Thanks to Oleg86 for the trim info on the Il2, it helps a lot. As for strafing with the p47, I'm finding out it will take out most of the early war tanks from behind and above, but so far i can't get it to do anything to late war tanks like the Tiger or Panther.

Did the real p47 roll so bad when pulling up quickly? What I mean is that when you are doing a gun run and pull up quickly, it snaps over and rolls or stalls. Seems to happen awfully quick and seems kinda wierd since I haven't seen it in the other planes I have flown in Il2.

ASM 1
05-05-2004, 02:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CraytonRoberts:
To superluminal: what is that slick aircraft? I thought I knew Luftwaffe planes. Is it a "fantasy plane?"
Bob Roberts<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm curious too, although it looks like a P63 King Cobra done in Luftwaffe markings or it may be a P39, not sure as I don't fly them much http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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Frosty288
05-05-2004, 02:37 PM
Well, to put it into perspective, sherman tanks had their shells deflected off of armor from late war Tiger Tanks. And then, unless you have a pretty big cannon or something, you won't be getting through that armor with a .50. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif The Stuka G-1 can hardly blow up a tiger, it takes some smashing.

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73GIAP_Milan
05-05-2004, 02:41 PM
Superluminals sig looks like a Stuka with straightened wings and a fightercockpit..it even has the same trimbalance weights on the elevator...

Is that some fantasy plane or what??

On topic, i have convergence set @ 200M and with even the latest IL2 version i can't hit stuff...and for some weird reason i cannot climb higher than 500M with it even with reduced fuel load... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

With fighters and most other planes i can hit stuff quite well but the il2's just seem to be cursed or something :P

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Curly_109
05-05-2004, 02:56 PM
no surprise -- you're new to this game http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
in 1945 when flying RU campaign in LA7 (http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif) i got a mission to bomb german tank (4) column. i drop my bombs and miss 'em, than turn strafe, strafe, strafe, and than strafe again 'till i run out of ammo and hiting tanks without any result http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

with 20mm x 2 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

and you're surpised with P47 armament capabilities http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif...

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Pimpo
05-05-2004, 04:15 PM
why did main battle tanks carry 75-85mm guns? just for overkill or probably to have a gun with just enough penetration power to defeat tank armor? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif i guess its the latter one but i am not quit sure http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
05-05-2004, 06:13 PM
I have found attacking from the rear of the tank helps. I have fired cannons on a tank from the fron and side and it tooks quite a few hits. I hit from the rear and it blows up faster. I tend to keep my convergance for rockets at 500m, so im not getting to close to AAA or tank guns. I was flying a Campaign in a Yak and a tank put a hole in my wing as I was diving on him to release a rocket. My convergance was set to 250. I dont know if the tanks are modelled to real life tanks but some are weak at the rear. This was true to real life Tigers, is the Tiger and others modelled like this?

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airplanekiller
05-05-2004, 08:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VR_ScorpionWorm:
I have found attacking from the rear of the tank helps. I have fired cannons on a tank from the fron and side and it tooks quite a few hits. I hit from the rear and it blows up faster. I tend to keep my convergance for rockets at 500m, so im not getting to close to AAA or tank guns. I was flying a Campaign in a Yak and a tank put a hole in my wing as I was diving on him to release a rocket. My convergance was set to 250. I dont know if the tanks are modelled to real life tanks but some are weak at the rear. This was true to real life Tigers, is the Tiger and others modelled like this?

http://www.vultures-row.com&lt;HR&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt; (http://www.vultures-row.com<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>)

I'm pretty sure the tanks are modelled that way, because I can only blow some of them up from the rear and above. What I can't figure out is why tanks like the Tiger don't at least stop moving after strafing them this way. Wouldn't an engine fire stop them and eventually burn them up?