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Animator_Alex
10-08-2013, 02:57 AM
Are there any AC4 PS4 vs PC screenshot comparisons?

D.I.D.
10-08-2013, 03:43 AM
There's no point in comparing until the users can generate their own screenshots. We're seeing a lot of doctored shots as usual in the promo material, which is to be expected.

It's not likely that PC will outshine the PS4 in any significant way on this occasion. Maybe over the next couple of years we'll see the PC open up a gap again, especially given Nvidia's new partnership with Ubi, but for now I think you're only going to see a difference in screen resolution and (in motion footage) frame rate.

And of course, if you see PC AC4 on a nice monitor, it'll look better than PS4 AC on a living room TV!

Solid-Snake-Eyes
10-08-2013, 04:11 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if the PC version has better anti-aliasing, especially considering a PC user can force insane levels of AA through their video drivers if their hardware supports it.

Anykeyer
10-08-2013, 06:39 AM
Not sure what will be in final game but expo's demo (this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkylPo0mfTU ) looked more detailed on PC than PS4. Lower resolution (I think PS4 runs at 720p) is noticable. Also PC has much better distant trees, water effects, and gun smoke looked more volumetric.

Animator_Alex
10-08-2013, 07:06 AM
Does anyone know if there will be much difference in shading or ambient occlusion?

BlastThyName
10-08-2013, 09:38 AM
Does anyone know if there will be much difference in shading or ambient occlusion?
Yes, HBAO+ is exclusive to the PC version. And numerous graphical effects will be overhauled : tessellation PCSS, and advanced Godrays.
The game will have 4K textures as well (but I assume the PS4 will too).
http://www.geforce.com/sites/default/files-editorial/attachments/nvidia-geforce-gtx-battlebox-game-technology-v3.png

We already know the PC version at max settings will look significantly better than the PS4. Whether or not you have the hardware to take advantage of that is another story.

AherasSTRG
10-08-2013, 01:42 PM
Yes, HBAO+ is exclusive to the PC version. And numerous graphical effects will be overhauled : tessellation PCSS, and advanced Godrays.
The game will have 4K textures as well (but I assume the PS4 will too).
http://www.geforce.com/sites/default/files-editorial/attachments/nvidia-geforce-gtx-battlebox-game-technology-v3.png

We already know the PC version at max settings will look significantly better than the PS4. Whether or not you have the hardware to take advantage of that is another story.
For one, Splinter Cell Blacklist looks fantastic on the PC. Also, awesome job with the optimization. Ultra settings / MSAA x2 on the GTX 760 and constant 60 frames.

Mr_Shade
10-08-2013, 01:46 PM
PC will always look better - assuming you have the hardware..


I expect digital foundry will do a face off - with the many versions - so should be interesting ;)

BlastThyName
10-08-2013, 01:50 PM
For one, Splinter Cell Blacklist looks fantastic on the PC. Also, awesome job with the optimization. Ultra settings / MSAA x2 on the GTX 760 and constant 60 frames.
It's UE2.5 though.

No wonder it runs well. Watch Dogs and AC4 are a notch above and will require more for max settings/30fps.

adventurewomen
10-08-2013, 02:49 PM
PC will always be the best by far because the latest hardware is always available updates every couple of months for PC's as for PS4's hardware is 4 years old. PC obviously beats PS4 graphically.

AherasSTRG
10-08-2013, 03:13 PM
It's UE2.5 though.

No wonder it runs well. Watch Dogs and AC4 are a notch above and will require more for max settings/30fps.
It was impressive what they achieved with such an engine. Anyway, I believe that at least for AC4, my humble GTX 760 will suffice (with modest AA). At first, I thought it would suffice for Watch_Dogs ultra settings / modest AA as well, but it seems that WD is going to be this holidays' Crysis.

D.I.D.
10-08-2013, 03:15 PM
It was impressive what they achieved with such an engine. Anyway, I believe that at least for AC4, my humble GTX 760 will suffice (with modest AA). At first, I thought it would suffice for Watch_Dogs ultra settings / modest AA as well, but it seems that WD is going to be this holidays' Crysis.

A 760 is more than simply modest! That's a very capable card, and a very good choice too (bang for buck).

D.I.D.
10-08-2013, 03:17 PM
PC will always be the best by far because the latest hardware is always available updates every couple of months for PC's as for PS4's hardware is 4 years old. PC obviously beats PS4 graphically.

Well,,, in theory of course you can upgrade all the time, but actually things move very slowly. Have you seen all the people complaining about "poor optimisation" over on the Watch Dogs forum, because the PC version requires a CPU at least 5 years old and at least 6GB RAM?

pacmanate
10-08-2013, 03:48 PM
Get it for PC, then HDMI that **** up to your TV!

Animator_Alex
10-08-2013, 04:00 PM
Get it for PC, then HDMI that **** up to your TV!
That is what I am wanting to do but my brother wants it for PS4. :(

Animator_Alex
10-08-2013, 04:03 PM
Yes, HBAO+ is exclusive to the PC version. And numerous graphical effects will be overhauled : tessellation PCSS, and advanced Godrays.
The game will have 4K textures as well (but I assume the PS4 will too).
http://www.geforce.com/sites/default/files-editorial/attachments/nvidia-geforce-gtx-battlebox-game-technology-v3.png

We already know the PC version at max settings will look significantly better than the PS4. Whether or not you have the hardware to take advantage of that is another story.
So none of these things will be on the PS4? Or will they just be toned down?

BlastThyName
10-08-2013, 04:07 PM
So none of these things will be on the PS4? Or will they just be toned down?

Completely exclusive to the PC (aside from DX11/tessellation), hence why Nvidia brags about it.

Animator_Alex
10-08-2013, 04:10 PM
Completely exclusive to the PC (aside from DX11/tessellation), hence why Nvidia brags about it.
So DX11 and Tesselation will be on PS4?

BlastThyName
10-08-2013, 04:18 PM
So DX11 and Tesselation will be on PS4?

I think so. The PS4 has a very powerful GPU with a modern featureset so DX11 and tessellation should be in, but the PC has exclusive graphical enhancements supposedly out of reach of the PS4/XB1 : advanced godrays, PSCC (http://developer.download.nvidia.com/shaderlibrary/docs/shadow_PCSS.pdf) and HBAO+.

Same goes for the other games but even without the Nvidia tech the PC versions look better :

To assure that ultimate experience, NVIDIA has readied the GeForce GTX Battlebox program. Working in concert with hand-picked system builders, we’ve developed a new breed of gaming machine purposely built to play this Holiday’s AAA, combat-focused games at super high resolutions, at high settings and every NVIDIA-exclusive feature enabled. For example, Batman: Arkham Origins features console-destroying graphics, advanced GPU-accelerated NVIDIA PhysX effects, DirectX 11 Tessellation, NVIDIA HBAO+ Ambient Occlusion, NVIDIA TXAA anti-aliasing, NVIDIA Bokeh and Depth of Field, and NVIDIA Percentage-Closer Soft Shadows. Assassin’s Creed IV Black Flag has graphics better than those of any next-gen console, plus Tessellation, HBAO+, PCSS, TXAA, and advanced Godrays. Call of Duty: Ghosts has the best graphics of any system, bolstered by DX11, PhysX, and Tessellation. And the massively anticipated Watch Dogs has better-than-next-gen graphics, backed by HBAO+ and TXAA.
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-battlebox#1

So yeah if you have the hardware the PC will trump the PS4 easily.

Animator_Alex
10-08-2013, 04:34 PM
Are all of these effects going to be on the PS4? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7GPya4oosU

BlastThyName
10-08-2013, 04:38 PM
Are all of these effects going to be on the PS4? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7GPya4oosU
Of course.

Those are in every next-gen versions.

Animator_Alex
10-08-2013, 09:16 PM
I think so. The PS4 has a very powerful GPU with a modern featureset so DX11 and tessellation should be in, but the PC has exclusive graphical enhancements supposedly out of reach of the PS4/XB1 : advanced godrays, PSCC (http://developer.download.nvidia.com/shaderlibrary/docs/shadow_PCSS.pdf) and HBAO+.

Same goes for the other games but even without the Nvidia tech the PC versions look better :

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-battlebox#1

So yeah if you have the hardware the PC will trump the PS4 easily.
So the PS4 doesn't have PSCC? It seems like the PS4 has enough power to process soft shadows.

BlastThyName
10-08-2013, 09:35 PM
So the PS4 doesn't have PSCC? It seems like the PS4 has enough power to process soft shadows.
The PS4 footage we've seen doesn't feature contact hardening shadows and this is exclusive to the PC version thanks to Nvidia.

The PS4 is powerful but there are already vastly more powerful GPUs on PC, it shouldn't surprise you that those next-gen games have a higher ceiling on PC.

You understand what I mean ? Current high-end GPUs are already capable of much more, as evidenced by Nvidia's work.
As explicitely stated even those additional features the PC version still looks better, as it should.

Animator_Alex
10-09-2013, 04:02 AM
Does any of the footage we have seen resemble the final build, or are all of them early builds?

AherasSTRG
10-09-2013, 07:31 PM
Correction on my above post: You can play Splinter Cell Blacklist at full graphics @ constant 60 FPS even with TXAA x2 on with a GTX 760. With TXAA x4 you get 55 to 60 frames. I personally prefer the way it looks with MSAA though.

Mr_Shade
10-09-2013, 07:43 PM
Correction on my above post: You can play Splinter Cell Blacklist at full graphics @ constant 60 FPS even with TXAA x2 on with a GTX 760. With TXAA x4 you get 55 to 60 frames. I personally prefer the way it looks with MSAA though.


Well the current PC specs [which maybe subject to change] are:

http://shop.ubi.com/store/ubiemea/en_GB/pd/ThemeID.8605700/productID.288585400/Assassins_CreedŽ_IV_Black_Flag™_Uplay_Digital_Delu xe_Edition.html

Minimum configuration:
Operating System: Windows Vista SP or Windows 7 SP1 or Windows 8 (both 32/64bit versions)
Note that we only support 64 bit OSs.
Processor: Intel Core2Quad Q8400 @ 2.6 GHz or AMD Athlon II X4 620 @ 2.6 GHz
RAM: 2GB for Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8
Video card: Nvidia GeForce GTX 260 or AMD Radeon HD 4870 (512MB VRAM with Shader Model 4.0 or higher)
DirectX: DirectX June 2010 Redistributable
Disk Space: 30 Gb
Sound: DirectX Compatible Sound Card with latest drivers
Peripherals: Windows-compatible keyboard and mouse required, optional controller

Recommended configuration:
Operating System: Windows Vista SP2 or Windows 7 SP1 or Windows 8 (both 32/64bit versions)
Note that we only support 64 bit OSs.
Processor: Intel Core i5 2400S @ 2.5 GHz or AMD Phenom II x4 940 @ 3.0 GHz or better
RAM: 4GB or more
Video card: Nvidia GeForce GTX 470 or AMD Radeon HD 5850 (1024MB VRAM with Shader Model 5.0) or better

Supported video cards at the time of release: Nvidia GeForce GTX 260 or better, GT400, GT500, GT600, GT700 series or AMD Radeon HD4870 or better, HD5000, HD6000, HD7000 series
- Note: Latest GeForce drivers tested: 320.49 for all series. Latest Radeon drivers tested: 13.1 for Radeon HD4000, 13.4 for Radeon HD5000 and above.
- Laptop versions of these cards may work but are NOT officially supported.

Anykeyer
10-11-2013, 08:53 AM
Operating System: Windows Vista SP or Windows 7 SP1 or Windows 8 (both 32/64bit versions)
Note that we only support 64 bit OSs.


Its confusing. Will this game finally have 64 bit executable?

Mr_Shade
10-11-2013, 02:51 PM
Its confusing. Will this game finally have 64 bit executable?
I am checking on this.


Watch_Dogs is 64bit only, so I'm checking ;)

BlastThyName
10-11-2013, 05:38 PM
I am checking on this.


Watch_Dogs is 64bit only, so I'm checking ;)

http://www.dsogaming.com/interviews/ubisoft-talks-ac4-tech-anvilnext-engine-features-global-illumination-dx11-2-amds-mantle/


To be able to reach as much fans as possible, we decided to still use a 32-bits executable, but yes it’s only a question of time before we switch completely to 64-bits executable.

This seems to suggest that there is no 64 bit executable.

AherasSTRG
10-11-2013, 10:47 PM
http://www.dsogaming.com/interviews/ubisoft-talks-ac4-tech-anvilnext-engine-features-global-illumination-dx11-2-amds-mantle/



This seems to suggest that there is no 64 bit executable.
Referring to the recommended requirements the Ubisoft representative said:

With this config you will be able to enjoy the game at 1080p 30fps. Stronger system will bring you up to 60 fps. For example, at my desk I have a GTX670 and I play at 60 fps.
See, man? I told you that a GTX 760 could handle AC at 60 FPS easily. Well, tbh, the GTX 760 is a little slower than the GTX 670, but only by 2 to 3% and I do not believe that's much of a difference.

Animator_Alex
10-12-2013, 02:49 AM
Can a GTX 780 run this game at 60fps on max settings minus AA?

BlastThyName
10-12-2013, 09:50 AM
Can a GTX 780 run this game at 60fps on max settings minus AA?
Of course, yes a 780 will pull off 60fps easily.
http://www.dsogaming.com/interviews/ubisoft-talks-ac4-tech-anvilnext-engine-features-global-illumination-dx11-2-amds-mantle/

With this config you will be able to enjoy the game at 1080p 30fps. Stronger system will bring you up to 60 fps. For example, at my desk I have a GTX670 and I play at 60 fps.

But a 670 is not the average GPU in PC land.

BlastThyName
10-12-2013, 09:55 AM
See, man? I told you that a GTX 760 could handle AC at 60 FPS easily. Well, tbh, the GTX 760 is a little slower than the GTX 670, but only by 2 to 3% and I do not believe that's much of a difference.
A stock 760 is noticeably slower than a 670, so no 60fps.

AherasSTRG
10-12-2013, 10:30 AM
A stock 760 is noticeably slower than a 670, so no 60fps.
Define "Noticeably". Because in these reviews/benchmarks, the performance difference is not more than 2 fps. The GTX 760 sometimes even surpasses the GTX 670.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0g4CHq11fk
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/geforce_gtx_760_benchmarks
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-nvidia-geforce-gtx-760-review
Anyway, I am confident that my Gigabyte Windforce GTX 760 won't have a problem with the game. However, lowering the AA never hurt anyone...

Ranxerox_01
10-12-2013, 11:07 AM
Uplay will support Windows 8.1? I have all the assassin's creed series and want support for all :confused:

BlastThyName
10-12-2013, 01:55 PM
Define "Noticeably". Because in these reviews/benchmarks, the performance difference is not more than 2 fps. The GTX 760 sometimes even surpasses the GTX 670.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0g4CHq11fk
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/geforce_gtx_760_benchmarks
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-nvidia-geforce-gtx-760-review
Anyway, I am confident that my Gigabyte Windforce GTX 760 won't have a problem with the game. However, lowering the AA never hurt anyone...

Alright, that seems pretty close indeed.

Animator_Alex
10-13-2013, 04:17 PM
Of course, yes a 780 will pull off 60fps easily.
Do you have an idea of how long a 780 would last with games on max settings with anti aliasing disabled?

BlastThyName
10-13-2013, 04:41 PM
Do you have an idea of how long a 780 would last with games on max settings with anti aliasing disabled?

I'm no fortune teller, I have no idea how long a 780 can possibly last if you demand max settings.
Keep in mind that the ceiling will keep getting higher and higher on PC, some devs will cap the PC version at the same level of visual fidelity as the consoles but some will tap into the extra power of future high-end GPUs.

Animator_Alex
10-14-2013, 11:43 PM
Will AC4 on PS4 look about the same if not better than AC3 PC maxed out? Also is this the PS4 version of the game? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgF9QYDOooM

SunTszu
10-15-2013, 11:15 PM
Will AC4 on PS4 look about the same if not better than AC3 PC maxed out? Also is this the PS4 version of the game? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgF9QYDOooM

Surely console. At a certain moment game stops, and one can see "x" command; typical for console. Don't know which one though.

RaulO4
10-16-2013, 07:40 AM
can i ask you guys something?

Why are you guys planning to buy AC4 on pc after the crappy port of AC3?
this why ubi dont give a **** about optimization on pc because you guys just buy the next AC again,,,

Anykeyer
10-16-2013, 07:44 AM
Because I had no issues with how AC3 was running. And because all consoles suck
There were some huge delays with content availability in multiplayer, but currently I dont give a crap about MP. It will be broken on all platforms anyway.

AherasSTRG
10-16-2013, 08:45 AM
can i ask you guys something?

Why are you guys planning to buy AC4 on pc after the crappy port of AC3?
this why ubi dont give a **** about optimization on pc because you guys just buy the next AC again,,,
Because I have been playing Ubisoft games since I was a kid and the only game I had problem with was AC3. Discarding the works of a whole company or franchise, just for one game is not what I am used to doing.

RaulO4
10-16-2013, 08:59 AM
Because I have been playing Ubisoft games since I was a kid and the only game I had problem with was AC3. Discarding the works of a whole company or franchise, just for one game is not what I am used to doing.

UBI has a recording having bad pc ports

here a good solution, wait until after the game comes out and see how the game runs on pc
or get the ps4

UBI have sold bad ports of pc games lately
than the pc forum go full on Rage mode about how its broken along with "im not buying the next ac"
than goes out and buy the next game
its the part that goes over my understanding....

derSny
10-16-2013, 09:09 AM
I would still think PC would rule over ps4 because you can build a better setup. Then again, it all comes down too how much you spend.

Anykeyer
10-16-2013, 09:33 AM
LOL again. Im confident that no ammount of Ubisofted programming can make my gaming PC run AC4 worse than console will.
Besides Im not buying console even if PC games will cease to exist.

AherasSTRG
10-16-2013, 12:01 PM
UBI has a recording having bad pc ports
I have played all AC games, Splinter Cell Conviction, Blacklist, Far Cry 2 and 3. I even remember playing Pandora Tomorrow on the Game Cube, as well as Chaos Theory. Not to mention the early Rayman games. The only game I have had problems all these years was AC3.


here a good solution, wait until after the game comes out and see how the game runs on pc
or get the ps4
The glitched badly optimised AC3 PC version is still far superior than the console version. 30 FPS at 720p equal to the PC's lowest settings?

RaulO4
10-16-2013, 01:25 PM
^^^ support bad ports and that all we will ever get.
Blacklist has many issues in fact I had to do most of the fixing just to get it running right,
Ghost recon FS had problem with the majority and so have ACR/AC3

would it really kill you to wait a day or two after AC to come out just to see if its was ported right?
at first pc gamer are like "because pc version is still better" than after the game comes out and its not running right they curse UBI for making a ****ting port and how the console version can run better with ****ter hardware. Very confusing thing kind like how Far cry 3 says... people keeping doing the same thing thinking a different out come will happen.

Anykeyer
10-16-2013, 01:48 PM
I cant care for your "majority", I had no problems running AC3 and ACR. And I reached 100% sync in both. Sure there were some minor problems, like delivery missions in AC3 sometimes requiring multiple tries to start, but this was a cross-platform issue.
Waiting is pointless. First, I would lose pre-order bonuses Steam offers. Second, but the most important. Forum complaints are not a good indication of how this particular game will run for you. Many players blame game for what is essentially their own PCs faults. Outdated or non-optimimal (AMD CPUs lol) hardware, buggy drivers, bloated system installation and many other reasons.

Animator_Alex
10-18-2013, 04:44 AM
Current-gen Next-gen and PC compared here! (click the pictures to make them bigger) http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/10/17/assassins-creed-iv-differences-between-ps4xbox-onepc-and-old-generation-further-detailed/

AherasSTRG
10-18-2013, 09:15 AM
Current-gen Next-gen and PC compared here! (click the pictures to make them bigger) http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/10/17/assassins-creed-iv-differences-between-ps4xbox-onepc-and-old-generation-further-detailed/
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