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FW-Raptor
07-11-2004, 09:45 AM
Could u all answer:

Whats better? Clipped Wing or Not Clipped

And whats the best version of the spitfire

ty (please explain answers)

FW-Raptor
07-11-2004, 09:45 AM
Could u all answer:

Whats better? Clipped Wing or Not Clipped

And whats the best version of the spitfire

ty (please explain answers)

Farkitt_
07-11-2004, 10:04 AM
well, the clipped wing version was made to increase roll rate at lower altitude, the full wing version has better high altitude performance due to it's higher wing loading (greater surface area of the wing).

As for the best spitfire. As far as top speed, Operational Ceiling etc go, the IX would be better as its a later model of the aircraft, I am not wise enough to make a definate judgement on which was best against the fighters of it's day, but i believe the IX was superior there also. The mk V was outperformed by the 190 below 15 000 feet. And if you keep the current versions going, you'll find that the story is probably much the same with the IX.

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p1ngu666
07-11-2004, 10:34 AM
i tend to go with IX E (not LF or HF)
got more ammo for 20mm, has 50cals but im not fussed about that, but has bombs/drop tanks, wich is good http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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hughlb2
07-11-2004, 10:52 AM
Whats the best spit? Well in RL thats a bit tricky when you look at all the variants produced throughout the war, so i'll take the easy way out and put my thoughts on the best spit ingame (also tricky).

Currently (2.01) I would say the Vb unclipped - It is the best turnfighter of the Vb's and outperforms the Vb-LF (and ofcourse the CW's)above 5000m. Yes, the clipped wing version gives increased roll, but it is only a marginal increase over a roll rate that I already feel is adequate at lower speeds (where the aircraft's prefered tactic of turnfighting comes into play and the CW is not as good in this respect). Okay, the LF gives better performance at low altitude (albeit at a slight expense of handling), but if you want performance move up to the IX.

Which brings me to my next point. The IXe-HF would be my choice for "best spitfire" if the FM wasn't screwed up. So if you ask me what the best spit is after patch 2.03 is released (should fix FM) I will likely tell you its the IX.

[This message was edited by hughlb2 on Sun July 11 2004 at 10:01 AM.]

VW-IceFire
07-11-2004, 11:23 AM
My most favorite and what I consider to be the best frontline Spitfire of the war is the Spitfire Mark 14 (XIV). Was the most produced version featuring the powerful Griffon engine and it was extremely fast. Consider the Spitfire IX to be the competition for the FW190A while the Spitfire XIV is on similar footing to the FW190D-9.

No word on if Fievel is going to have it finished by late August. One can hope...

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Abbuzze
07-11-2004, 12:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
My most favorite and what I consider to be the best frontline Spitfire of the war is the Spitfire Mark 14 (XIV). Was the most produced version featuring the powerful Griffon engine and it was extremely fast. Consider the Spitfire IX to be the competition for the FW190A while the Spitfire XIV is on similar footing to the FW190D-9.

No word on if Fievel is going to have it finished by late August. One can hope...

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I think you are right, but I think the IX offed the best overall performance of all Spits.

The late Spits like the XIV had the same problems like the 109, the rising weight!! In comparision if you compare early and late versions the Spit got even more weight increasemet than the 109. Being the lighter aircraft in 1940 late version weight even more than the Me.
Of course it still had the lower wingload compared to the german opponent, but It was of course not anymore the light plane from the early war...

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VW-IceFire
07-11-2004, 01:45 PM
Well the Spitfire IX and VII were considered the nicest to fly. That I can understand. Raw performance award on the other hand goes the the XIV and other types.

I don't think the XIV suffered as much as the 109's did with the weight increase. There were problems but the Griffon engine's massive horsepower was enough to offset that. Apparently the turn ability of the XIV is no worse than that of the IX.

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Luftcaca
07-11-2004, 01:59 PM
I read somewhere that the best Spit (in relation with the time it was produced) was the Spit VIII but still the Spit IX was the one massively produced

Any info on that?

oh and btw Spit XIV with Griffon 61 rules http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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EmKen
07-11-2004, 02:11 PM
The Spit Mk IX was a Merlin 61 powered version of a Mk V. The first fully designed version of the Merlin 61 engine was the MK VIII. Many MK IX's had some of the MK VIII modifications added, for example the more pointed fin and rudder.
Likewise, with the Griffon engined Spit's, the Mk XII was basically a MK IX with the early low-blow Griffon, and the first proper version was the XIV. Things started to get even more complicated when the MK XVI came out, which was a Packard engined MK IX.
Hope this was of some help.
btw, the urgent need for "clipped, cropped and clapped" Spitfires was alleviated once the teething problems of the Typhoon were overcome. By that time, re-engining wing shortened Spitfires with low blow engines was seen as rather wasteful. The Hawker designed aircraft had what was wanted below 5000m, and a bit more.

Abbuzze
07-12-2004, 04:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:

I don't think the XIV suffered as much as the 109's did with the weight increase. There were problems but the Griffon engine's massive horsepower was enough to offset that. Apparently the turn ability of the XIV is no worse than that of the IX.

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I´m not 100% sure about the turning ability... here is a comparison of differnt Spits vs 190A

IX vs Anton:
Manoeuvrability: The FW 190 is more manoeuvrable than the Spitfire IX except in turning circles.

XIV vs Anton:

Turning Circle: The Spitfire XIV can easily turn inside the FW 190. In the case of a right-hand turn, this difference is not so pronounced.

So I would say a XIV which is still a good turner is not as good in tight turns as the IX.

I think it´s the same like G10/K4 vs F4/G2.
Pure Power vs overall Performance.

The Spitfire XIV wasn´t anymore the light and nimble plane form the beginning at the war, but of course it was still able to outturn enemy planes - Don´t misunderstand me, I never doubt this!

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WOLFMondo
07-12-2004, 05:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Luftcaca:
oh and btw Spit XIV with Griffon 61 rules http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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And I'd love to see it in FB. It would be brutal http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

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hughlb2
07-12-2004, 05:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Luftcaca:
oh and btw Spit XIV with Griffon 61 rules http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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And I'd love to see it in FB. It would be brutal http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't stop there, How about a Seafire 47 ingamehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

OldMan____
07-12-2004, 05:44 AM
Why don't you guys ask for a Mig-29 anyway?

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WOLFMondo
07-12-2004, 08:53 AM
A Spitfire XIV is quite appropriate for this sim and would give the Brits a excellent late war fighter to match the late war axis planes. Its not like were asking for a Seafury or a Spiteful.

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NorrisMcWhirter
07-12-2004, 10:06 AM
Hi,

Surely the best Spit is the one that got the job done? In that respect, how about the Mk1? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Not forgetting the Hurri, that is!

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tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
07-12-2004, 02:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
A Spitfire XIV is quite appropriate for this sim and would give the Brits a excellent late war fighter to match the late war axis planes. Its not like were asking for a Seafury or a Spiteful.

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Spiteful ? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif not heard of that one ? Anymore info please?

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07-12-2004, 03:05 PM
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/APS/2918.htm

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